Tom Nelson reports on some disturbed thinking – From an epic rant by warmist David Appell:
“Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes? I think so”
Quark Soup by David Appell: The CharlesH Problem
But CharlesH, this idiot, this — I’m sorry — this fucking idiot who sits home and probably watches America’s [sic] Idol in the evening, who has probably never read a science paper in his life, really, truly, somehow honestly thinks he knows better than all the professional, study-deep-into-the-night, sweat-the-data, devote-their-lives scientists about all this.
What can you possibly say about such a person? This person — CharlesH — now threatens civilization.
Think about that — ignorance from Tea Party types in rural Utah threatens the well-being of the entire human race.
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I don’t know. Donald Brown, the philosopher at Penn State who has been writing about the ethics of climate change for well over a decade — I interviewed him in the early 2000s — thinks they are perhaps guilty of crimes against humanity.
Are they? Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes?
I think so. You can simply claim that CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas.
I think they’re crimes will be obvious in about a decade.
When I profiled Michael Mann for Scientific American, he said he thought it would eventually be illegal to deny climate change. I had doubts about that, but maybe.
…It’s obvious (barely) they’re not smart enough to be so evil…
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None of them has much of a science background, if any. I mean, please.
And CharlesH, who clearly knows no science either.
But on the shoulders of these idiots, fools, and incoherent minds our future seems to turn, if only just a bit, if only in the blogosphere. And they are probably proud of this, somehow.
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But them, still, I think: CO2 is a greenhouse gas. 5 molecules per 10,000 trap more heat than 4 per 10,000, or even three.
On that small divide, our future lies. One molecule out of 10,000.
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I’ll be flying home tomorrow…
I just hope I can get my WiFi to work again. It always seems like a crapshoot, and frankly, I don’t even know if I remember the password.
Apparently Mr. Appell doesn’t note that I’ve stated that CO2 is a greenhouse gas on national television and said it has an effect.
There’s also a transcript here
I think the real crime Mr. Appell thinks I’m guilty of is existing, having an opinion, and daring to write about it.
If anyone is a neighbor of David Appell, this might be fun:
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Southern Man says
Sept 20 4:38pm
Pretty soon they will be yelling and screaming at each other as they point the finger of blame at their own team mates.
I suggest we start a pool as to which of the Hockey Team will be the first to stab Michael Mann in the back.
Eugene WR Gallun
David Appel says on Quark Soup;
Perhaps we need a decade of true suffering — I mean REAL hardship — to break them of their idiocy. I’m just barely old enough to perhaps die in such a decade, but if that’s what it really takes….
>>>>>>>>>
Well David, most rational people, when confronted with a prophesy of doom, think to themselves “gosh I hope that doesn’t happen”. You however, would wish death and misery to billions rather than be wrong.
What, exactly, is wrong with you?
Hey David, let me guess where you were a decade ago:
“I think they’re (sic) crimes will be obvious in about a decade.”
Yes ….. no …. ?
“On that small divide, our future lies. One molecule out of 10,000.”
I gots me an industrial party time mega fun maximum capacity Cylinder of Co2, and unless the UN gives me a Million Nigerian Pounds, Tenure at Mann U, and a Prius, i’m gonna open up that valve baby – see if I don’t!….
….pssssssssssssssshhhhhhh.
Hear that? Do ya? do ya? That Molecule not so lonely now is it?, is it?…
pssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh….
Mu Ha Ha Ha Ha.
Next on list, ah hem,….
I gots me a cooler bin chock full of honesty and common sense, and unless I get a weekend hanging out with the HOFF, knocking back brewskies, shooting pool, and skeet shooting from a li-loo inna pool, i’m gonna release it at the IPCC – yeah you heard me,….COMMON SENSE BABY!
The extreme warming paradigm pushers have not acknowledged that the “skeptics” refute extreme AGW, not benign, beneficial AGW. The science (observations and analysis in published papers) does not support extreme AGW. That is the reason why there has been no public debate of the scientific evidence which unequivocally refutes extreme AGW.
A doubling of atmospheric CO2 will result in less than 1C warming with most of the warming occurring at high latitudes which will cause the biosphere to expand. Spending trillions of dollars on “green” scams (an example if the conversion of food to biofuel which results in higher food prices and massive loss in virgin forest as there is a limited amount of agricultural land and competing expanding population that require food) which will not significantly reduce CO2 emissions which is not a problem.
The planet is not warming in accordance with the IPCC predictions. The IPCC extreme AGW warming, general circulation models amplify CO2 warming (positive feedback). Analysis of top of the atmosphere radiation from satellite vs ocean surface temperature indicates the planet resists warming or cooling changes (negative feedback) by increasing or decreasing cloud cover in the tropics. The extreme warming IPCC predictions of 1.5C to 5C warming for a doubling of CO2 require that the planet amplifies the CO2 warming which is positive feedback. If the planet’s feedback response to a change in force is negative a doubling of atmospheric CO2 will result in less than 1C warming with most of the warming occurring at high latitude regions of the planet which will cause the biosphere to expand.
There is no extreme AGW warming problem to solve.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2012/09/uah-global-temperature-update-for-august-2012-0-34-deg-c/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/06/uah-global-temperature-up-06c-not-much-change/
http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/236-Lindzen-Choi-2011.pdf
On the Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity and Its Implications
We estimate climate sensitivity from observations, using the deseasonalized fluctuations in sea surface temperatures (SSTs) and the concurrent fluctuations in the top-of-atmosphere (TOA) outgoing radiation from the ERBE (1985-1999) and CERES (2000-2008) satellite instruments. … ….We argue that feedbacks are largely concentrated in the tropics, and the tropical feedbacks can be adjusted to account for their impact on the globe as a whole. Indeed, we show that including all CERES data (not just from the tropics) leads to results similar to what are obtained for the tropics alone – though with more noise. We again find that the outgoing radiation resulting from SST fluctuations exceeds the zerofeedback response thus implying negative feedback. In contrast to this, the calculated TOA outgoing radiation fluxes from 11 atmospheric models forced by the observed SST are less than the zerofeedback response, consistent with the positive feedbacks that characterize these models. The results imply that the models are exaggerating climate sensitivity…. ….However, warming from a doubling of CO2 would only be about 1C (based on simple calculations where the radiation altitude and the Planck temperature depend on wavelength in accordance with the attenuation coefficients of wellmixed CO2 molecules; a doubling of any concentration in ppmv produces the same warming because of the logarithmic dependence of CO2’s absorption on the amount of CO2) (IPCC, 2007)…. …This modest warming is much less than current climate models suggest for a doubling of CO2. Models predict warming of from 1.5C to 5C and even more for a doubling of CO2. Model predictions depend on the ‘feedback’ within models from the more important greenhouse substances, water vapor and clouds. Within all current climate models, water vapor increases with increasing temperature so as to further inhibit infrared cooling. Clouds also change so that their visible reflectivity decreases, causing increased solar absorption and warming of the earth….
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/04/11/a-new-global-warming-alarmist-tactic-real-temperature-measurements-dont-matter/
A New Global Warming Alarmist Tactic: Real Temperature Measurements Don’t Matter
What do you do if you are a global warming alarmist and real-world temperatures do not warm as much as your climate model predicted? Here’s one answer: you claim that your model’s propensity to predict more warming than has actually occurred shouldn’t prejudice your faith in the same model’s future predictions. Thus, anyone who points out the truth that your climate model has failed its real-world test remains a “science denier.”… ….This, clearly, is the difference between “climate science” and “science deniers.” Those who adhere to “climate science” wisely realize that defining a set of real-world parameters or observations by which we can test and potentially falsify a global warming theory is irrelevant and so nineteenth century. Modern climate science has gloriously progressed far beyond such irrelevant annoyances as the Scientific Method.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1725975,00.html
http://gigaom.com/cleantech/chart-the-death-spiral-of-solar-bankruptcies-counting/
LOL, there is yet another of those 10 year forecasts of climate doom contained in the email.
Exactly how old is this creature? I mean, in Earth years. He’s embarrassing me as a fellow
(sort of) human being.
The Enviro-Statist declares his allegiance to science and knowledge when, in fact, his only faith is to his ideology.
— Mark R. Levin
Science must not impose any philosophy, any more than the telephone must tell us what to say.
— G. K. Chesterton
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.
— Galileo Galilei
I must respect the alarmists right to practice their religion. Just sad they want me to pay for their church. And as time goes on, as this post shows, their religion grows more and more cultish as more facts must be ignored.
It’s really hard to lend credence to anyone who doesn’t know the difference between “they’re” and “their.”
I had a student once who mixed up those words and managed to use “there” incorrectly in same paper. I gave him a D.
“I just hope I can get my WiFi to work again. It always seems like a crapshoot, and frankly, I don’t even know if I remember the password.”
try this one: ********
Appell shows exactly why I’m on the skeptic side of this. He apparently doesn’t think the “unwashed masses” should have a voice in the future of the planet. Only the “great” scientific minds, I.e., the ones who think like him. And he’s all in favor of banning free speech. Ya know, even if everything the warmists say about climate change is correct, even if the planet continues to warm at 2 degrees C per century, even if mankind is responsible, even if the results will be catastrophic (none of which I believe by the way, but even if I did, …) I would STILL stand FIRMLY on this side of the debate, just because of the FREEDOMS that “this fucking idiot” and his ilk are willing to take away from humanity in the name of “saving the planet”. As far as I’m concerned, the planet isn’t worth saving if freedom doesn’t ring on some small part of it.
I actually did have a “CSIS Survellance Van” in the ‘hood for a while. CSIS is Canuckistan’s version of the CIA. Intelligence.
And you created all of that ruckus, with a feather duster attack like that Anthony ?
I think you’ve made your point here Anthony; the people vested in this global warming hullaballoo, are a lot more wedded to their financial interest than they let on.
By the way; the soup strainer looks very nice on you.
My wifi SSID is named “Mordor” and only accepts WPA2 security. After all “You can’t expect to simply WEP into Mordor” … (rimshot).
It’s a sad truth that most people’s “tolerance” wears out at the point where others stubbornly and irrationally refuse to accept their unquestionably brilliant ideas. After all, the definitive test of a person’s intelligence is how well their opinions match one’s own.
/sarc, for the humor impaired.
How does a ‘climate crime’ work anyways? Is that assault & battery with a deadly weapon every time you exhale? Or is it that disagreeing with the former that’s assault & battery with a deadly weapon since you have to exhale between spoken sentences?
“””””…..Dick of Utah says:
September 20, 2012 at 6:43 pm
“Think about that — ignorance from Tea Party types in rural Utah threatens the well-being of the entire human race.”…..”””””
I think Mr Appell fell too far from the tree; and evidently, on his head.
He’d have a hard time selling his nano vision view of the TEA Party here in silicon valley, where every possible species of mankind shows up at TEA party gatherings (in public). I’ve been to several, and I’d be hard pressed to name any category of person that is absent from such get togethers.
“I’ll be flying home tomorrow…”
Ya mean goin’ by sailboat don’t ya Dave? Or are you okay with destroying the planet? Or don’t you believe it?
Actually, when I read pronouncements like Mr. Appell’s the spectre of Jonestown comes to mind. I used to think of CO2 alarmists as the Carbon Cult but I think a more accurate description is the Doomsday Carbon Cult. When a significant number of them come to believe that anything is justified to “save” the Earth, violence will not be far behind.
In this regard I find it somewhat cheering that Mr. Appell admits navigating WiFi configuration and remembering a password are both a serious challenge for him. If he is equally inept with implements of violence he is more likely to be a danger to himself than others.
Joseph Bastardi says:
September 20, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Nice.
I sometimes wish I had the knowledge, skill and self-discipline to be a hermit. This world is a Victorian era insane asylum.
Appell:
Ban Ki-Moon:
David Appell just aligns himself with the rest of the leftist movement.
Follow the Money says: “…They also sound like those old groupies for Stalin show trials.”
Jawohl! Er, I mean, DA!
The Inquisition …
… or just one another runaway from the asylum …?
David Appell:
That would be the Donald Brown I once schooled about the meaning of the word “chaotic”…
http://notrickszone.com/2012/01/08/donald-brown-tactics/#comment-70906