Tom Nelson reports on some disturbed thinking – From an epic rant by warmist David Appell:
“Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes? I think so”
Quark Soup by David Appell: The CharlesH Problem
But CharlesH, this idiot, this — I’m sorry — this fucking idiot who sits home and probably watches America’s [sic] Idol in the evening, who has probably never read a science paper in his life, really, truly, somehow honestly thinks he knows better than all the professional, study-deep-into-the-night, sweat-the-data, devote-their-lives scientists about all this.
What can you possibly say about such a person? This person — CharlesH — now threatens civilization.
Think about that — ignorance from Tea Party types in rural Utah threatens the well-being of the entire human race.
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I don’t know. Donald Brown, the philosopher at Penn State who has been writing about the ethics of climate change for well over a decade — I interviewed him in the early 2000s — thinks they are perhaps guilty of crimes against humanity.
Are they? Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes?
I think so. You can simply claim that CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas.
I think they’re crimes will be obvious in about a decade.
When I profiled Michael Mann for Scientific American, he said he thought it would eventually be illegal to deny climate change. I had doubts about that, but maybe.
…It’s obvious (barely) they’re not smart enough to be so evil…
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None of them has much of a science background, if any. I mean, please.
And CharlesH, who clearly knows no science either.
But on the shoulders of these idiots, fools, and incoherent minds our future seems to turn, if only just a bit, if only in the blogosphere. And they are probably proud of this, somehow.
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But them, still, I think: CO2 is a greenhouse gas. 5 molecules per 10,000 trap more heat than 4 per 10,000, or even three.
On that small divide, our future lies. One molecule out of 10,000.
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I’ll be flying home tomorrow…
I just hope I can get my WiFi to work again. It always seems like a crapshoot, and frankly, I don’t even know if I remember the password.
Apparently Mr. Appell doesn’t note that I’ve stated that CO2 is a greenhouse gas on national television and said it has an effect.
There’s also a transcript here
I think the real crime Mr. Appell thinks I’m guilty of is existing, having an opinion, and daring to write about it.
If anyone is a neighbor of David Appell, this might be fun:
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“standing on the shoulders of idiots”. The irony is actually making my wine taste better.
I’m going with
David “Knight of the Temple of Doom” Arpell is envious of the attention Dana “Scooter” Nuccitelli is getting from his rant and has decided to take action.
Personally, I think he’s up against tough competition, but if anyone can pull it off, David can.
It’s funny when Appell sanctimoniously moans that our future hangs on “one molecule out of 10,000” but then has no qualms about riding home on a jet plane, leaving tons of pure, undiluted CO2 in his wake. And this guy wants to imprison/execute anyone who disagrees with him??! Typical eco-hypocrite.
Also, anyone who uses terms like “climate crimes” and “climate criminals” is obviously a climate idiot (yes, that includes you Lisa Jackson!) I mean, seriously, how exactly does that work anyway? How does one call a cumulonimbus cloud to the witness stand or subpoena a high pressure system?
Donna makes a good point. A crisis seems to fulfil a void in some lives and what better way to feel good about yourself than “saving the world”?
“In the 21st century, with all our education and all our technology, are we really just children who get a perverse thrill from telling ourselves scary stories around campfires? Are we really so emotionally and spiritually immature that we need to invent one crisis after another in order to imbue our lives with meaning and purpose?” ___Donna Laframboise 9/20/12 No Frakking Consensus
Identity of CharlesH, from Appell’s soupy blog:
charlesH said…
“And CharlesH, who clearly knows no science either.”
I have been published in AIP which I believe is a peer reviewed journal is it not? How about you? Have you been published in a peer reviewed journal?
Education: physics/business, BYU/Harvard. Sorry, no physics PhD (you got me there). I wanted to make more money (which I did).
High School: ACT 31/32. AP math 5. I’m pretty intelligent. 2nd in my class.
“ignorance from Tea Party types in rural Utah”
Retired (at 55) now in Utah (cheaper). I spent my 25yr professional career semiconductor in ***Oregon***/California. Does that help?
So I’m not going to win the Nobel prize but you are making a big mistake if you think CAGW skeptics are all country bumpkins. Here is one of my favorite CAGW skeptics and I bet he can run circles around you and your readers on the science intelligence scale.
http://motls.blogspot.com/
Maybe you need a new category:
“Climate Insaneness of the Week”
Way beyond ever having any type of rational conversation with that guy.
u.k.(us) says:
September 20, 2012 at 5:44 pm
It kind of ruins the whole rant, when you don’t know what its about.
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Doesn’t matter
Probably rants like that at the squirrels in his bird feeders too.
David Appell says: “Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes? I think so. You can simply claim that CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas. I think they’re crimes will be obvious in about a decade.”
Anthony Watts says: “Apparently Mr. Appell doesn’t note that I’ve stated that CO2 is a greenhouse gas on national television and said it has an effect.”
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Anthony, let me tell you something.
If they come to power, they will kill you despite that you said it had an effect, because they will have enough reasons to do that. They will not spare Christopher Monckton either, who also said it had an effect.
So the only way is to do everything possible so that they would not come to power. In this regard under circumstances your saying it has an effect might be, well, not a quite right thing, I mean, in terms of decreasing the probability of them coming to power.
mortis88 says:
September 20, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Thank you for reminding me of the Hutus and Tutsis. I was thinking of several current situations, but I’d forgotten them, regrettably. In all the cases, once one dehumanizes another group, any actions are possible. Whether calling a group cockroaches, or ‘sons of apes and pigs’, all sorts of horrific things can happen. Good men everywhere need to stand up when these things rise up.
Narcissistic revenge fantasy.
I knew David Appell in the mid to late 90’s when he was planning to hike the Appalachian Trail. He wasn’t smart enough to learn what he needed to learn to do that. Nor was he smart enough to accomplish what he intended to do. Apparently he hasn’t gotten any smarter.
Mark T:
“You need to broadcast your Wifi name, too. I keep mine hidden so my neighbors don’t get any wise ideas and attempt to hack in (I live in an apartment for the time being, lots of neighbors).”
Had a problem once, car parked out the front, passenger with a laptop. Standing at the window with a pick-axe handle solved that one.
“I wonder if broadcasting “FBI Surveillance Van” would invite curiosity seekers, or just idiots?”
Or a visit from a neighbor like Korben had in “The Fifth Element” ?
I have to turn Wifi on again shortly so was thinking of doing something similar … maybe just hiding it is preferable.
Actually, who’s the IDIOT here? “Greenhouse Gas”…according to one of my classic meteorology texts, in light of Dr. Robert Wood’s 1909 experiements with “collector boxes”, GREENHOUSES do NOT work because of standard Silicate Glass acting as a one way valve for longwave IR. Plass, et.al., 1957…work out the UPFLUX value for CO2, above 30,000’…. Miskiolski, in accounting for the “view angle” of the CO2 emission and absorbtion, the variation from Lorentz broadening at the surface to Doppler Broadening above 25,000′, works out CO2 as a “net exchange” agent, not an agent causing “the Atmospheric effect”, which is due COMPLETELY to water.
What’s fascinating about this is that very few people are aware of the SIMPLIFICATIONS in Walter Elsasser’s 1942, “On the IR Heat Balance of the Atmosphere”, and the fact that when these simplifications are MAINTAINED in an IR balance for the Atmosphere, CO2 becomes a “net downflux” agent. Whereas a proper analysis (see above) CO2 becomes a NET EXCHANGE AGENT.
SO, yes, DENYING CO2 AS A “GREENHOUSE GAS” is something I will do from the GET GO, noting at the same time…the people using the term, “GREENHOUSE GAS” by USING THAT TERM indicate their complete oblivious approach to reality, which is available to anyone with a brain to read and research.
Max
Wow.
They’re worse than we thought!
Survey says, Appell is a psychopath. Reproducible, quantifiable, certifiable.
“I’ll be flying home tomorrow…
I just hope I can get my WiFi to work again. It always seems like a crapshoot, and frankly, I don’t even know if I remember the password…”
Wait a second…I think we’ve been HAD. This is like when in the 1979 Mel Brook’s “The Producers”, someone points to the stage at the hippie playing Hitler and says, “I GET IT! IT’S A SATIRE!”.
Thank you Mr. Apple, you’re a PEACH…IT’S SATIRE!
Appell seems happy enough to condemn anyone outside of band of brothers in the AGW camp who, in his words, “And CharlesH, who clearly knows no science either” . I also see that Appell is a freelance science journalist. I wasn’t aware that media studies was a branch of physical science.
Dave Sivyer, Narrogin Western Australia.
mortis88 says:
September 20, 2012 at 5:05 pm
“(even trivializes – no offense temp, not meant as a knock on you)”
None taken and in some respects your right it that some comment because I made it so short does trivialize the damages/dangers both then and now. I agree with your post and have posted many times warning that these people are far to similar to eugenics and the many spawned ideologies of eugenics then normal and rational should be comfortable with.
I hope those FEMA camps are nice 🙂
Americans are shocked at the violence perpetrated for our supposed insult to the prophet Mohammed, but it looks like we have the equivalent here for insults to the prophets of CAGW.
My WiFi’s name is “Virus Delivery”
But I may change it to something scarier, inspired by the “FBI” posting. I think “IRS Surveillance Team” would be just thing!
Au contraire, it is questionable whether the “climate scientists” that tout global warming by man have any real, tangible knowledge or experience in the sciences. I can only detect the ability to fabricate and obfuscate, neither of which require any understanding of science. They are simply not scientists irregardless of whether they legally obtained a doctorate as they have clearly demonstrated that they were faking their efforts and knowledge.
RE: David Appell. Ah, another idiot so consumed by his own brilliance because he knows all the answers and can’t think of any more questions to ask.
PS – pseudo-scientist hate engineers. Engineers have to make the dang thing work no matter how cleaver they think the idea. Engineers recognize trash when they see it.
Did the CAGW crowd read 1984 and assume it was the model for good governance?
I think those who try to medicalize or criminalize dissent are dangerous, and should be kept away from power or sharp objects. If they are in the United States, they need a good course on the first amendment, because as much as they try to deny it, we are free to think what we want, but when they try to impose their “beliefs” on the rest of us by extra-constitutional means, that is what the second amendment to the US Constitution was for! Threats to life and liberty should be taken seriously by all.
Charles H – you simply rock. Thanks for being you.
Anthony – I owe you an apology since though-out this latest silliness starting with the idiotic responses from the NPR ladies after your interview and now this mindless, pointless, and utterly ineffectual assault on your fine character by this no body I have stood by the sidelines and not offered you my support on your blog. I have been going through my own tough times here lately and haven’t had time to blog or even get on the internet.
When you allude to the hate speech you receive simply for voicing your well-informed positions on weather and climate that is one thing; but to see it on display like this is just appalling and shocking not to mention disturbing.
Keep up the excellent work. I certainly can’t know this for a fact, but I have a sense that you will go down in history for your integrity and instance on the truth.