UPDATE: Uh oh, looks like Mann will have to sue Investors Business Daily too, because they say that: It’s been the greatest fraud of all time, and Michael Mann has been at the heart of it.
UPDATE2: Climate Depot has an interesting editorial here
The bait. Popcorn futures just exploded.
From Michael E. Mann’s Facebook page:
People have been asking for my reaction to the recent response by the National Review. Here is a statement from my lawyer John B. Williams of Cozen O’Connor:
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The response of the National Review is telling with respect to the issues it did not address. It did not address, or even acknowledge, the fact that Dr. Mann’s research has been extensively reviewed by a number of independent parties, including the National Science Foundation, with never a suggestion of any fraud or research misconduct. It did not address, or even acknowledge, the fact that Dr. Mann’s conclusions have been replicated by no fewer than twelve independent studies. It did not deny the fact that it was aware that Dr. Mann has been repeatedly exonerated of any fraudulent conduct. It did not deny the fact that it knew its allegations of fraud were false. Rather, the National Review’s defense seems to be that it did not really mean what it said last month when it accused Dr. Mann of fraud. Beyond this, the response is little more than an invective filled personal attack on Dr. Mann. And further, this attack is coupled with the transparent threat that the National Review intends to undertake burdensome and abusive litigation tactics should Dr. Mann have the temerity to attempt to defend himself in court.
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We intend to file a lawsuit.
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Read it on Dr. Mann’s Facebook page.
Go for it Mike, we all look forward to the enlightenment of discovery!
Tom Nelson: Do NOT miss this: Look who’s representing Michael Mann
He successfully defended R.J. Reynolds in the commercial speech case filed by the Federal Trade Commission challenging the cartoon character, Joe Camel.
I think Steyn just went to COSTCO with the NRO credit card to get the industrial strength size can of whupass he’ll be opening:

Ian Watts says:
August 24, 2012 at 8:54 am
“I hope poor Michael’s entire book profits don’t get thrown down a big legal hole (or is someone else picking up the tab?). ”
Fear not. A common legal way of supporting your favorite activist scientist or politician is that you buy a few truckloads of his latest tome and drive it straight to recycling. Practiced by every foundation worth its salt.
Or did you think all these Blair or Obama memoirs actually get read by people?
In the US, political pressure groups can use these kinds of things as fund raising vectors. They’ll fund a high profile lawsuit and then use the lawsuit to energize their membership resulting in more contributions coming in. In the non-profit world its known as the “Al Sharpton model”, after its most skilled practitioner.
There’s are lawyers who, when they see an “Al Sharpton” approach forming, line up to be part of it. The reason is obvious: the lawyers can make a lot of money regardless of the outcome. Winning is not the objective; the only objective is to keep the game going and to generate lots of headlines. The interests of the political pressure group and the lawyer are aligned — the lawyers win by generating more billable hours and the political pressure groups win by keeping the fund raising effort going for a long time. Since we have no ‘loser pays’ concepts in the US, there’s no downside risk.
So everyone wins. Oh, except for the plaintiff. The plaintiff winds up draining a lot of time and emotional energy and often comes away with a destroyed reputation. Generally speaking, the plaintiff has to be a convenient idiot because these cases are often un-winnable. So its essential to have a client who possesses a rare combination of stupidity, pride and notoriety.
Time will tell if this is one such case.
That $1 in damages is a trick by the plaintiff’s lawyer(s). With a finding of libel and an award for damages, the defendant can be made to pay the bill for the lawyers. This is how the ACLU and other advocacy groups make money. This is how certain lawyers can make a living suing governments without charging the plaintiff for their services.
I want to market a T-Shirt:
“The experiment will continue until results meet expectations.”
Alternatively:
“The funding will continue so long as conclusions feed politicians.”
dialn,
“Mann has a major ego but he is no idiot and he knows all this, so why is he proceeding with the case? My guess is he is trying to generate publicity for his book which he hawks at every opportunity.”
Exactly! This is why he HAS to proceed with the lawsuit. It will be broadcast from all the media. Millions will rush to the newstands each week to follow the story, and millions more will order their copies of the book itself. Someone will eventually play the part of Mann in a future Hollywood blockbuster – probably Quaid, though I wouldn’t rule out Ricky Gervais.
Mother Jones July 25, 2012 hosted: Conservative Bloggers’ Campaign Against “the Jerry Sandusky of Climate Science”
Maybe it’s time to invest in popcorn futures, what with the drought suppressing this year’s corn crop and all.
sharper00 says:
August 24, 2012 at 6:50 am
“These fantasies of getting to rifle through Mann’s emails are simply that and none of you would entertain the idea in any other context.”
Can’t imagine why anyone would think e-mails would reveal anything, anyway.
Oh, wait…
Phil Clarke says:
August 24, 2012 at 4:25 am
“Which would be quite a feat as the Yamal chronology was not published until 3 years after the hockey stick.”
Only, they’re not talking about the original “hockey stick”, as the lead-in paragraphs clearly state:
Please answer me this, because I’d really like to know: why do you, why does anyone, support this kind of deception in science? Are you hoping the short term advantage gained will allow you to wipe out the opposition, and you will never have to pay the price of tainting your brand? That’s the only logical, though highly risky, motivation I can imagine.
more soylent green! says:
August 24, 2012 at 9:36 am
That $1 in damages is a trick by the plaintiff’s lawyer(s). With a finding of libel and an award for damages, the defendant can be made to pay the bill for the lawyers. This is how the ACLU and other advocacy groups make money. This is how certain lawyers can make a living suing governments without charging the plaintiff for their services.
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Exactly!
Mann was up against it, no matter which way he turned and he knew it. His state of mind had (has) to be frenzied in order to trust the judgement of those who have a nose for deep pockets and who simultaneously convinced him not to share in any possible financial reward.
I’m sure the reasoning was “noble”. It just keeps getting worse for him.
Mann’s own facebook pages are a clue to his agenda- driven “findings”: he never corrects comments which are scientifically unsound, but which support his agenda, all the while blocking/deleting comments by anyone presenting evidence contrary to his pseudo- science.
Would a true scientist engaged in public discourse of scientific topics behave in such a manner?
The evidence against M. Mann is found throughout his works.
Missing ingredients: Johnie Cochrane & Judge Ito.
And a little doggerel.
Michael Mann is also suing Canadian Climatologist Dr. Tim Ball who stated Mann should be in the State Pen rather than at Penn State. I agree. Hey Mr. girly-Mann, sue me. Dr. Ball will also be looking for data. I believe the law suit’s purpose is to delay the complete collapse of their fraudulent movement until after the Presidential election this November in the hopes that Obama can win and keep funneling tax dollars to those scientists with the correct perspective.
A reminder of more Mannian bullying:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/02/thanks-to-michael-manns-response-a-newspaper-censors-a-letter-to-the-editor/
Here is the exchange of Letters to Editor:
Global warming is no hoax
http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20110912/EDITS/110919978&parentprofile=search
Sky is not falling
http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20110916/LETTER/110919906&parentprofile=search
Fools deny global warming
http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20110926/EDITS/110929906&parentprofile=search
Researcher disputes evidence for global warming (was originally: “More hot air than science in global-warming theory”:
http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20110930/EDITS/111009984&parentprofile=search
Mann’s laughable response:
Global warming denier’s claims are falsehoods
http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20111001/EDITS/110939988&parentprofile=search
The orig letter (before it was edited by the paper – note the bolded part – which was removed by the paper after Mann’s whining:
And Mann’s response:
It is quite interesting that the paper removed the quotes Mann found offensive from the original letter, but allowed his rant to stand – including the same claims.
I think – the record is extremely clear – Mann IS a fraud, and his work perpetrates that fraud. His repeated attacks on those who question his work, and ongoing attempts to prevent release of documents that would shed light on the veracity of his claims, only serve to strengthen the claims against him.
That Mann’s work is likely financed largely, or almost entirely, by public monies, when coupled with Mann’s proven deceit, makes the statement by Tim Ball a simple truth – Mann likely does belong in the State Pen vs at Penn State.
So Mr. Mann – please add me to your list of litigants. I agree with the others – I believe the facts show it is well proven you are an arrogant bully, but also a fraud – as is much of your work.
From Mann’s lawyer: “It [NRO] did not deny the fact that it knew its allegations of fraud were false.” Well, they believe the allegations are true, so why would they deny something that isn’t a fact? Note well: This attorney did not deny the fact that he knows he is an a88hoile.
NO FOOL LIKE A WISE FOOL. And goes triply for officials of a Capital-S “Skeptical” organization like CSICOP (now CSI), which he is. The loyalty of such persons (like Eugenie Scott, Michael Shermer, the editor of Skeptical Inquirer, etc.) is to the image of science, and to its anointed hierarchy, dogmas, and supposedly infallible procedures (like peer review and official inquiries). Their fealty is to the bottle, not the wine; to the shell of science, not its nut—which is its “Let’s-Find-Out” motivation & its “nullius in verba,” anti-BS attitude.
That is why they’ve fallen for the emperor’s new clothes and focused their venom on the little boy: They’re scoffers whose main motivation is heresy-hunting—so they can feel “one-up.” Their purported skepticism is just a cloak for that—they might as well be called “scoftics.” They’re arrogantly riding high, like the Curia before the Fall. Just wait until the warm turns—they won’t live this episode down for a thousand years.
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Why did Hiss sue Chambers? He felt he had to, because all his allies were urging him to and it would look bad to them if he didn’t. This may be what’s at work here: not recklessness by Mann, but social pressure from his reckless backers. (A little known fact, or claim anyway: Wilde refused to flee to France when things were looking grim legally and he had the chance, because his mother said he mustn’t. Social pressure.)
Mann certainly has a lotta time to attack those who disagree with him, and claim defamation ….
http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/hockey-stick-creator-rebuts-critic_2010-07-12.html
Mann is responding to this Letter to Editor:
http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/con-are-strong-measures-needed-to-forestall-climate-change__2010-07-09.html
What one physicist points out of Michael Mann’s neat little tricks ….
http://i47.tinypic.com/wv1itx.gif
(Smokey, please file my first overlaid gif away, you seem to actually keep track of such and make such good use of it!)☺
wayne,
Saved. But a more legible, larger copy would be more effective…
A. Scott,
Very interesting links. Mann writes:
In a piece published in your paper on July 9 you allowed an individual named Dave Irons to do a grave disservice to your readers by making false and defamatory statements about me…
“Allowed”?? And it goes downhill from there. Mann continues, writing that Mr Irons…
…makes the specific defamatory allegation against me that work by my colleagues and me reconstructing past temperature trends is “fraudulent.”
So here we have still another accusation of Mann’s fraud, which he claims is “defamatory”. At this rate, Mann will run out of people to sue in, oh …about three years. ☺
If only one fact emerges from Mann’s lawsuit-happy attacks, it will be that all his ‘exonerations’ were nothing but complete whitewashes, done solely to protect the institution’s top rainmaker.
Jerry Sandusky’s suporters would understand.
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
August 24, 2012 at 8:03 am
are you one of those Northern Ireland blighters who want to claim both?
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Good guess. I’m an Englishman living in Northern Ireland. Unless Richard Courtney is right and I’m an American pretending to be an Englishman living in Northern Ireland……….
I’m a
n Englishmanpseudoscientist living in Northern Ireland.There. Fixed! ☺
Excerpts from Climate Depot:
Smokey says:
August 24, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I’m a n Englishman pseudoscientist living in Northern Ireland.
There. Fixed! ☺
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I know when I’m outclassed. I bow to your superior expertise as a scientist.
”this attack is coupled with the transparent threat that the National Review intends to undertake burdensome and abusive litigation tactics should Dr. Mann have the temerity to attempt to defend himself in court.”
The ‘burdensome and abusive litigation tactics’ are part of American law and is a basic right of Steyn and NRO to argue their case in court – and by golly they will do that.. Does this man think he is above the law now ? I reckon he will run and run like hell.
Brandon Schollenbergers review of Mann’s book here at WUWT is relevant as well:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/07/a-detailed-review-of-manns-book-the-hockey-stick-and-the-climate-wars-as-it-relates-to-the-wegman-report-to-congress/
Excerpt:
Much more at the link.
This is Irving v Penguin Books and Lipstadt (II)