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James Schrumpf (@ShroomKeppie) says:
August 5, 2012 at 9:10 am
As quoted from the article:
“The opposition to removal is akin to the famous expressions many years ago about relinquishing the Panama Canal: `We stole it fair and square and we should keep it!”‘ Hodel said.
“San Francisco is known as a progressive city in many ways, especially environmentally. But in water, it’s just not the case. We’ve got a very sweet deal,” said Spreck Rosekrans of Restore Hetch Hetchy, who has studied the issue for 20 years. “Restoring the valley would undo the greatest wrong that has ever been done to a national park.”
…”utilities officials say water rates would increase by up to $2,777 per household a year.”
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I just smoked a big “doobie” and now want to save the Yosemite National Park from the ravishes of mankind. I want reparations from the city of San Francisco. It must be done now for our children’s children. Remove the dam and the power lines and pipeline. Scrub the rocks that were under water of algae and mud. Do it now before it’s too late and we reach the tipping point. All that water in one place has likely/probably/could/maybe/possibly caused earthquakes.
How do I vote on this from the east coast? Where do I get my absentee ballot for the SF election?
Re: Smokey, #14:
JPL, Boeing, Lockheed Martin – Please don’t do this tonight!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_orkXxp0bhEA/TD0XOEoMBfI/AAAAAAAAe_M/xRCsoLn0TnM/s1600/100714-graph-9.gif)
Hi Paul
From monetizing point of view, there are correct discoveries (CO2 changes the climate) and not so correct ones (it is the sun st…d ).
In a market orientated economy value of discovery is in its practical application as Piers Corbyn or Judith Curry (selling her hurricane predictions to insurance industry) have demonstrated.
Now, if you can say that the ENSO is going to affect the next crop of Java coffee or Peru coke by 20% up or down, and you can recommend that going short or long on the futures will double (gullible) punter’s money, you wouldn’t be short of takers.
Good luck.
[Snip. You are not learning. Move on to another subject, and leave out host out of it. ~dbs, mod.]
@Peter Crawford says:
August 5, 2012 at 6:37 am
Howlingly funny, tears on cheeks funny.
Re Smokey’s link to the map of coal fired power plants to be closed because of new EPA regulations, IER has updated their map for 2012 to include a total of 34.7 gigawatts of generation capacity to be taken off line.
Smokey says:
August 4, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Open Thread! Everything off topic is now on topic!
Smokey,
You made my day! It’s been bouncing around 90F for the last few days in the Seattle area. SeaFair is on, with the unlimited hydroplanes shredding the waters of Lake Washington and The Blue Angels shredding the air overhead. Unfortunately (for me), I’ve been ‘holed up’ for 3 days with a nasty bout of flu! Ugh!!! I’m on a slow mend today and your ‘click-o-rama’ was just what the doctor ordered for the recovery phase! My Faves:
Miss’d Communications: #4
Sheer Irony: #9
PolitiFact: #13
Cry Wolf: #18
Fidelity In Modeling: #19
Thanks a bunch!
MtK
Climate scientists are allowed to be personally attacked, to be defamed, smeared, being called liars and fraudsters on this blog thread after thread.
But if a climate scientist asks for evidence for assertions made on this blog, including concerning his own person, he is getting snipped from an allegedly “Open Thread” by the moderation.
[Reply: As explained, you were snipped for attacking our host. Any more comments on this issue will be deleted. ~dbs, mod.]
I am very interested in a graph I created on WoodForTrees and what others may make of it. Any ideas
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/isolate:60/mean:12/scale:0.2/plot/hadcrut3vgl/isolate:60/mean:12/from:1958
For fun, Google “global warming worse than thought”… 5.5 million results and counting!
Blade says:
August 5, 2012 at 1:05 am
> So is this gonna be the official live thread Sunday Night for …
Curiosity closes in on Mars for high-stakes descent
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57486873-76/curiosity-closes-in-on-mars-for-high-stakes-descent/
“The $2.5 billion Mars Science Laboratory rover is closing in on
Official live thread? I was planning to watch NASA-TV on the web. Are you referring to CNET or WUWT per NASA, or WUWT per commenters? WUWT has no connection to NASA except to critique its press releases, so I doubt WUWT will be official anything for the landing. The Cnet link is just to a news story.
NASA-TV coverage starts at 2330 EDT. See Sparks’ links at http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/04/weekend-open-thread-2/#comment-1052026
cms says: August 5, 2012 at 2:33 pm
I am very interested in a graph I created on WoodForTrees and what others may make of it. Any ideas
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/isolate:60/mean:12/scale:0.2/plot/hadcrut3vgl/isolate:60/mean:12/from:1958
Surely does look like CO2 follows temperature, don’t it. But since there’s this 800 year lag, perhaps it’s just belatedly following the Medieval Warm Period temps.
Which would mean, wait for it, current CO2 is a proxy for MWP temperatures, which means, (and climate scientists all over the world will be glad to hear) that you no longer have to go to Antarctica to get MWP info, you can just go to Hawaii. Life is good.
Seriously, though, it looks like CO2 lags about 7 to 9 months at mid-transition. Anything we can do with this?
Yeah, Mike I don’t see anyway but to read that in the satellite era that temp proceeds CO2. I don’t know what to do with it but put it out there like this. If you know anyone whose interest this would pique, please pass it on.
cms,
CO2 lags temperature on all time scales, from months to hundreds of millennia. Thanks for providing additional evidence.
It appears that the alarmist crowd got everything completely backward. CO2 is a function of temperature, not vice-versa. Effect cannot precede cause. CO2 rises and falls after temperature rises and falls.
Hansen is absurdly vain for a scientist long past his prime who can no longer be taken seriously by anyone. He, like Mann, seems to believe that he is some kind of celebrity, like a pathetic actor desperate to remain in the limelight.
NASA is about to land a space craft on Mars and Hansen thinks people are going to pay attention to his funny little cardboard toys. People are not interested, they want to see Mars. Good luck to NASA and the Curiosity mission. NASA doing what it does best.
Jan P Perlwitz says:
August 5, 2012 at 2:21 pm
On the other hand…
If a climate psientist is asked to provide proof of his assertions via FOI, he just blocks the request?
Just asking.
Incidentally. I’ve asked this question before…
Just which paper published has proved the assertion that CO2 drives temperature?
(This is assuming that temperature is even a good proxy for energy gain.)
DaveE.
I couldn’t do better if I was aiming for the spam bin!
DaveE.
cms says:
August 5, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Very interesting! I had not previously seen evidence that atmospheric CO2 concentrations lagged the annual temperature cycle. Thanks!
Could I ask you and others posting here to use graphing line colors other than the red/green pair? Or perhaps to use graph lines that are differentiated by dashed vs solid lines? Red/Green color blindness is the most common form, afflicting about 7% of the adult male population and less than 1% of women.
Nice work – Thanks again!
MtK
I was driving down I-10 towards Palm Springs last night, tuned to Red Eye Radio to listen to Anthony give an interview. Just as it started I hit a dead spot and missed the whole thing. Does anybody have a link for it? Thanks in advance.
When they have the backwards 100M and the sideways 100M and the 100M crab walk and the 100M backwards crab walk, I will agree that Michael Phelps is the greatest Olympian.
I think that Edwin Moses, who didn’t lose a race for almost 10 years deserves some credit.
I say not so fast. These scammers are like Zombies.
One minute in Ernesto becomes tumescent. Me too by the way.
Correction
One minute in Ernesto becomes tumescent.
Smokey says:
August 5, 2012 at 3:35 pm
cms,
CO2 lags temperature on all time scales, from months to hundreds of millennia. Thanks for providing additional evidence.
It appears that the alarmist crowd got everything completely backward. CO2 is a function of temperature, not vice-versa. Effect cannot precede cause. CO2 rises and falls after temperature rises and falls.
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Take two bottles of a carbonated beverage. Open both of them. Put one in the refrigerator, one on the kitchen counter. After a few hours, check to see which one has the most “fizz” left.
More gases, including CO2, will dissolve and remain dissolved in colder water than in warmer water. It takes time to warm or cool the oceans.
John Gormley Live – Anthony Watts, Meteorologist, President of IntelliWeather Inc. and ‘Watts Up With That?’ blog editor – Do you believe the numbers behind global warming?
Audio File:
http://www.newstalk650.com/sites/default/files/JGL%20GLOBAL.mp3