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eyesonu
August 5, 2012 8:35 am

This fall San Franciscans will vote on a local measure with national implications: It could return to the American people a flooded gorge described as the twin of breathtaking Yosemite Valley.
Voters will decide whether they want a plan for draining the 117-billion-gallon Hetch Hetchy reservoir in Yosemite National Park, exposing for the first time in 80 years a glacially carved, granite-ringed valley of towering waterfalls 17 miles north of its more famous geologic sibling.
The November ballot measure asks: Should city officials devise a modern water plan that incorporates recycling and study expansion of other storage reservoirs to make up the loss? …….
http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=38321&content=77600379&pageNum=-1
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It just keeps getting weirder all the time. In the interest of the continued destruction of CA I hope San Francisco votes to eliminate their own water supply. Too much CO2 or THC?

August 5, 2012 8:54 am

Richard111 says:
August 5, 2012 at 8:06 am
“”The Arctic Row group is going to be stuck for several days near Barrow as they have run into some unexpected “weather” as I suggested before they started.””
Strange. Barrow webcam shows calm sea. Not even an iceberg in site!
http://seaice.alaska.edu/gi/observatories/barrow_webcam

Did you not notice this at the site:
Please note: we are currently experiencing network problems with the radar and webcam. As a result the picture below may be several days old. We are working on the problem and hope to have it fixed as soon as possible.
And this:
…recorded by a web cam overlooking the landfast ice (or coastal ocean during the ice-free period in summer)…
While the National Weather Service in Fairbanks issued this warning:

… A STRONG OFFSHORE STORM WILL AFFECT THE AREA INTO EARLY THIS WEEK…
STRONG LOW PRESSURE 350 MILES NORTH OF WRANGEL ISLAND EARLY THIS MORNING WILL CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN THROUGH TONIGHT AS IT TRACKS NORTH TO 700 MILES NORTH-NORTHWEST OF BARROW MONDAY MORNING. A WARM FRONT PUSHING EAST ACROSS THE NORTHERN ARCTIC COAST THIS MORNING WILL QUICKLY BE FOLLOWED BY A STRONG COLD FRONT THAT WILL CROSS THE WESTERN ARCTIC COAST EARLY THIS EVENING… REACHING THE BARROW AREA BY AROUND MIDNIGHT TONIGHT. THE FRONT WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE SOUTH AND EAST ON MONDAY ACROSS THE BEAUFORT SEA COAST AND INTO THE BROOKS RANGE.
GALE FORCE SOUTHWEST WINDS ARE DEVELOPING EARLY THIS MORNING OFFSHORE OF THE THE WESTERN ARCTIC COAST. THE GALE FORCE WINDS WILL SPREAD ABOUT AS FAR EAST AS THE OFFSHORE WATERS NORTH OF BARROW BY MIDDAY. THERE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY AN 18 HOUR PERIOD OF GALE FORCE SOUTHWEST WINDS BEFORE A COLD FRONT PUSHES EAST TONIGHT AND THE WINDS SWITCH INTO THE WEST AND DIMINISH TO AROUND 25 KNOTS. A PROLONGED PERIOD OF WEST WINDS AROUND 25 KNOTS ARE EXPECTED ALONG THE WESTERN AND NORTHERN ARCTIC COAST THROUGH AT LEAST TUESDAY.

Looks like “weather” indeed.

DirkH
August 5, 2012 8:56 am

mfo says:
August 5, 2012 at 2:29 am
“Not new. But why no one should give money to the WWF.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/wwf-helps-industry-more-than-environment-a-835712.html
“Feri, an environmental activist, calls this form of conservation “racist and neocolonial,” and notes: “There has never been forest without people here.” ”
Oi. Spiegel declares WWF class enemy. That took a while. Slow learners as usual on the left.
Half of the canned fish in my local supermarket have the dreaded panda logo on them. Obviously the producers pay the panda. So I switched from mackerel and salmon to herring. Won’t ever support Julian Huxley’s nightmare orgs if I can legally avoid it.

Gerald Machnee
August 5, 2012 8:57 am

RE: Richard111 says:
August 5, 2012 at 8:06 am
“”The Arctic Row group is going to be stuck for several days near Barrow as they have run into some unexpected “weather” as I suggested before they started.””
Strange. Barrow webcam shows calm sea. Not even an iceberg in site!
http://seaice.alaska.edu/gi/observatories/barrow_webcam
You missed the part where it says they are having problems with the webcam and the pic may be several days old.
Also if you check their website, they indicate they have made two miles in the last few days and the forecast has a significant weather system approaching. They also fear the winds will drive ice into them.

Sean
August 5, 2012 9:09 am

James “Chicken Little” Hansen is waving his hands in the air again with more cargo cult science predictions of doom and gloom. What happened to your last prediction Hansen? Still waiting for Manhattan to be under water by over ten years ago. Hansen is not a scientist – he is an activists and he should be fired by NASA.
He continues to lie with his boldly fallacious claims that every bit of natural climate variable is evidence that man is causing “climate change”. He provides no evidence of this, just nonsensical stories about imaginary dice. Even if we were to trust him on his statistical analysis of current weather data and his conclusions on any short term trends he observed – this information would only be showing that “climate change” happens, it does not follow from this that the change is unusual, extreme, or caused by man. He is truly worthy of a Lysenko reward for his mendacious claims and activist scaremongering.
It is really getting tiresome to hear clowns like him define “climate change” as man made and ignore the accept fact that climate change is a naturally caused state that has been happening on this planet for over 4/5 billion years. At no point in history has climate ever not been changing.
There is no ideal steady state for climate. It changes. The question is not does it change but what causes that change. It has been changing for 3.5 billion years without our help – if he wants to float some doomsday theory that the natural causes have suddenly ceased to work and climate now dances according to man’s pitifully small addition of CO2 to the atmosphere, then he had better offer actual evidence.
Instead he offers us the self evident fact that climate changes and makes the fallacious claim that this proves man is causing it. His claim has no evidence of fact and is no different from other doomsday prophesies from the past. He should open up some temple full of virgins to be sacrificed to the gods – wait that is exactly what he is doing but instead of demanding that us peasants place food at his god’s alter to control weather, he is asking the peasants to not use carbon based fuels and pay some tax on them when we do.
Bah humbug. Time to fire Hansen and banish him to some street corner with a sign and flyers where he can preach his prophesies with the same status of any other lunatic..
His half baked activist junk science peers like Mr. Weaver at U Vic can also join him on the street corner.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/climate-change-is-here–and-worse-than-we-thought/2012/08/03/6ae604c2-dd90-11e1-8e43-4a3c4375504a_allComments.html?ctab=all_&&wp_login_redirect=0
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/05/heatwaves-proof-of-global-warming-says-nasa-scientist
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/08/04/climate-change-real-scientist.html

August 5, 2012 9:10 am

eyesonu says:
August 5, 2012 at 8:35 am
This fall San Franciscans will vote on a local measure with national implications: It could return to the American people a flooded gorge described as the twin of breathtaking Yosemite Valley.
Voters will decide whether they want a plan for draining the 117-billion-gallon Hetch Hetchy reservoir in Yosemite National Park, exposing for the first time in 80 years a glacially carved, granite-ringed valley of towering waterfalls 17 miles north of its more famous geologic sibling.
The November ballot measure asks: Should city officials devise a modern water plan that incorporates recycling and study expansion of other storage reservoirs to make up the loss? …….
http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=38321&content=77600379&pageNum=-1
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It just keeps getting weirder all the time. In the interest of the continued destruction of CA I hope San Francisco votes to eliminate their own water supply. Too much CO2 or THC?

I don’t know. This looks like it could be a Republican/conservative plot to hoist SF and its enviro-activists by their own petard. Reading further down the article shows this:

On one side are Republican lawmakers and environmentalists, including Ronald Reagan’s former interior secretary, who want the dam removed and valley restored. On the other are Democratic San Franciscans, led by Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, fighting to hold onto the city’s famously pure drinking water in a drought-prone state.

I mean, how often do you get to see the Sierra Club join forces with Republicans on a subject like this. Reading more of the articles gives us these tasty morsels of “in-your-face,-San-Franscisco!”:
“Eventually it will be broadly understood what an abomination a reservoir in a valley like Yosemite Valley really is,” Donald Hodel, the former interior chief, told The Associated Press. “I think it will be hard to quell this idea (of restoration). It is like ideas of freedom in a totalitarian regime. Once planted they are impossible to repress forever.”

“The opposition to removal is akin to the famous expressions many years ago about relinquishing the Panama Canal: `We stole it fair and square and we should keep it!”‘ Hodel said.
“San Francisco is known as a progressive city in many ways, especially environmentally. But in water, it’s just not the case. We’ve got a very sweet deal,” said Spreck Rosekrans of Restore Hetch Hetchy, who has studied the issue for 20 years. “Restoring the valley would undo the greatest wrong that has ever been done to a national park.”
…”utilities officials say water rates would increase by up to $2,777 per household a year.”
You can almost taste the deliciousness Hodel savors as he delivers his remarks. You just know he’s thinking along the lines of “You’ve screwed the country for decades with your so-called progressive ideas and environmentalism. How do you like it when it’s in your back yard?”
This should be fun to watch.

August 5, 2012 9:36 am

Peter Crawford says:
August 5, 2012 at 6:37 am
Nice.

Richard111
August 5, 2012 9:42 am

“”You missed the part where it says they are having problems with the webcam and the pic may be several days old.””
Nope. Always check the date time at bottom of picture. Problem message has been up and down for some weeks now. I guess the Arctic Row Group are some way out of this picture if they are reporting ice and wind. Time will tell.

August 5, 2012 10:02 am

Reblogged this on thewordpressghost and commented:
Everyone,
This is a great idea, and a wonderful illustration.
Catch up with Watts next week! Anthony writes a lot of well thought out articles on the illusionary ‘science’ of global warming.
Ghost.

August 5, 2012 10:14 am

It’s so nice how post-Climategate, the most popular non-lefty blog, Instapundit, keeps hammering away at the AGW crowd.
Today he links to yet another greenie (biofuel) scam: http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/08/03/tony-soprano-green-hero/
“Two months later, Environmental Protection Agency inspectors visited the Absolute factory and discovered the facility didn’t appear to be producing any fuel, the documents said.”
“The federal program that tried to subsidize this effort seems to have attracted some of the wrong types of people: the Tony Soprano kind of waste management company rather than an idealistic green recycling coop.”

August 5, 2012 10:17 am

Roger Carr says:
August 4, 2012 at 9:33 pm
20-Click Smokey. Sweet, pal! Made my Sunday. Jest hope Hansen (see Mr Lynn (August 4, 2012 at 12:14 pm) Hansen is back at it!) does not click on #3. Whole new horizon for him when he realises that extra hour of sunlight per day mandated by governments summer times can explain it all…
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😎
Odd thing is that a study was done on energy usage before and after some of its counties adopted Daylight Savings Time. At the start and end of the time, energy use was lower in those counties. But in the middle period so much more energy was used that the end result was that DST actually caused more energy usage. The researchers deduced that it was because when people came home from work an hour earlier in the hotter part of the day, they cranked up their air conditioners. They said most studies touting the energy savings of DST were done before AC became common.
(Sorry. I read it somewhere and don’t know a link to it. It was done a few years ago. I’m pretty sure it was done before DST was extended. Go figure.)

August 5, 2012 10:23 am

ME: “Odd thing is that a study was done on energy usage before and after some of its counties adopted Daylight Savings Time.”
I should add by way of explanation, until a few years ago not all the counties in Indiana were on DST. The study looked at the counties that adopted years after the rest of the state.

Toto
August 5, 2012 10:36 am

Take a look at the latest greatest wind turbines. How much bigger can they possibly go?
http://phys.org/news/2012-07-turbine-record-breaking-rotors.html
http://www.gizmag.com/worlds-largest-wind-turbine-blades/23578/

August 5, 2012 10:47 am

Blade says:
August 5, 2012 at 1:05 am
“So is this gonna be the official live thread Sunday Night for …
Curiosity closes in on Mars for high-stakes descent”
That’s a good Idea Blade. I’m following this too. Hope it all goes to plan. 7 minutes with no contact… Nightmare!
links: http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html

August 5, 2012 10:51 am

Philip Bradley says:
August 4, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Mass grave in London reveals how volcano caused global catastrophe
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/aug/05/medieval-volcano-disaster-london-graves

No. Because the reconstructed temperature function (A. Moberg et al.) correlates with the solar tide function, a volcano cannot caused the cool global climate around 1310 AD:
http://www.volker-doormann.org/images/moberg_1150_1400.gif
V.

Andy_E
August 5, 2012 10:54 am

The Ten Commandments
Of The Church Of
€LIMA$TRO£OG¥
1. Thou shalt worship no other than the IPCC
2. Thou shalt not acknowledge the existence of the Laws of Thermodynamics
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the IPCC in vain
4. Remember Earth Day and keep it wholly irrelevant
5. Honour they peers so that thou shalt sail through pal review
6. Thou shalt not kill the Golden Goose of Government subsidies
7. Thou shalt adulterate all papers and press releases with any ascientific drivel as may be required to promote Climastrology
8. Thou shalt shamelessly demand grants, stealing them away from real science projects
9. Thou shalt always bear false witness, and shout denier, against any who question Climastrology
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wind farm, despite the generous subsidies it attracts. Build your own instead and get rich quick ; )

August 5, 2012 10:58 am

LazyTeenager says:
August 5, 2012 at 5:15 am
Kelvin Vaughan on August 5, 2012 at 3:00 am
I have a cunning plan. If everyone in the world jumps up and down at noon zulu it will move the Earth away from the Sun and cool us down.
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I assume you are joking since it neither works in practice or in principle,
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True. It wouldn’t work. We’d all have to be on the same side of the planet for it to work.
All the CO2 that would be generated by transporting half the population to one side of the planet (almost as much as Al Gore generates and Rio-type meetings combined) would negate any benefits of an orbital shift. …. But if you can show that it would advanve the Agenda 21 gurus, I’m sure they’d give it a whirl.
(LT, yes, this is a joke. Hope you at least smiled through part of it.)

pwl
August 5, 2012 11:05 am

[Per moderator REP’s suggestion on the tips and notes page, I’m re-posting this here for you guys to slice and dice. Have fun, it’s going to be easy. ]
Lots of claims from Dr. James “fabrication” Hansen to debunk in this Aug 4th, 2012 PBS interview.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/hansen-uses-30-year-cherry-picked-time-period-to-prove-that-climate-is-the-most-extreme-in-10000-years/

Gerald Machnee
August 5, 2012 11:10 am

RE: Richard111 says:
August 5, 2012 at 9:42 am
**I guess the Arctic Row Group are some way out of this picture if they are reporting ice and wind. Time will tell.**
They are not reporting ice and wind – they are expecting it.
They are anchored two miles from Barrow, but cannot make progress into the head wind.

Rogelio
August 5, 2012 11:26 am

On a very light note Just a joke Michael Mann apologises to the scientific community through a song

AW remove if not appropriate.

August 5, 2012 11:30 am

Latimer Alder says:
August 5, 2012 at 8:23 am
bradley
Lucy Skywalker, an honest headline would be,
Mass grave in London reveals how volcano caused global climate catastrophe
How about
‘Carbon dioxide nothing to do with medieval climate catastrophe. Volcanoes caused mass deaths from cold’
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Or “The sudden release of previously captured subterranean CO2 to escape causing the Earth’s crust to “frack” creating an channel for lava to flow and erupt in volcanoes. This attracted the attention of a passing Vulcan survey vessel from the time before Vulcan’s adopted logic. The resulting barrage of photon torpedoes caused mass death and climate change.”

Jim
August 5, 2012 11:34 am

Just gotta laugh at the alarmists. As BEST shows, it’s warmed 2.5C since 1750. This period of warming has corresponded with a time of rapidly expanding wealth and population. Warming is good, not bad! It is warming, but this is a good thing NOT a bad thing. We’ve warmed 2.5C, yet we’re supposed to fear another 1.5-2C of warming?!? Get real!

David A. Evans
August 5, 2012 11:42 am

DirkH says:
August 5, 2012 at 8:56 am

mfo says:
August 5, 2012 at 2:29 am

Not new. But why no one should give money to the WWF.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/wwf-helps-industry-more-than-environment-a-835712.html
“Feri, an environmental activist, calls this form of conservation “racist and neocolonial,” and notes: “There has never been forest without people here.”

Oi. Spiegel declares WWF class enemy. That took a while. Slow learners as usual on the left.
Half of the canned fish in my local supermarket have the dreaded panda logo on them. Obviously the producers pay the panda. So I switched from mackerel and salmon to herring. Won’t ever support Julian Huxley’s nightmare orgs if I can legally avoid it.

In the video mfo linked, Greenpiss & Fiends of the Earth were criticising WWF.
With the amounts GP are getting from the EU through REDD to protect parts of the Amazon rainforest from logging they were never in danger from logging, they have a damned nerve!
The Fiends of the Earth are similarly scamming huge sums from the EU.
DaveE.

August 5, 2012 11:45 am

Open thread. I did this parody back in May. Enjoy.
Gunga Din says:
May 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Chopping Up Wood on a Snowy Evening
By “The Mann”
What tree this is, I think I know.
It grew in Yamal some time ago.
Yamal 06 I’m placing here
In hopes a hockey stick will grow.
But McIntyre did think it queer
No tree, the stick did disappear!
Desparate measures I did take
To make that stick reappear.
There were some corings from a lake.
And other data I could bake.
I’ll tweek my model more until
Another hockey stick I’ll make!
I changed a line into a hill!
I can’t say how I was thrilled!
Then Climategate. I’m feeling ill.
Then Climategate. I’m feeling ill.

H.R.
August 5, 2012 12:11 pm

Check out today’s (Aug. 5, 2012) Sherman’s Lagoon comic strip, by Jim Toomey. Very un-PC but it speaks to those heartstring-tugging appeals to emotion.
http://www.slagoon.com/dailies/SL120805.gif
As for the Arctic rowers; some days you get the Arctic and some days the Arctic gets you. Keep rowing and keep both oars in the water.

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