New paper on Global Water Vapor puts climate modelers in a bind

Where’s that positive feedback that is supposed to manifest itself in water vapor, the most potent natural greenhouse gas?

Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. writes:

New Paper “Weather And Climate Analyses Using Improved Global Water Vapor Observations” By Vonder Haar Et Al 2012

image Figure 4 from Vonder Haar et al 2012

As promised by Tom Vonder Haar; see the posts

“Water Vapor Feedback Still Uncertain” By Marcel Crok

Statement By Vonder Haar Et Al 2010 on Using Existing [NASA Water Vapor] NVAP Dataset (1988 – 2001) for Trends

The new dataset covering 20+ years will be available to the public in 2012 or 2013.

The initial results are now ready as reported in the paper

Vonder Haar, T. H., J. Bytheway, and J. M. Forsythe (2012), Weather and climate analyses using improved global water vapor observations,

Geophys. Res. Lett.,doi:10.1029/2012GL052094, in press.

Here’s the Abstract:

The NASA Water Vapor Project (NVAP) dataset is a global (land and ocean) water vapor dataset created by merging multiple sources of atmospheric water vapor to form a global data base of total and layered precipitable water vapor. Under the NASA Making Earth Science Data Records for Research Environments (MEaSUREs) program, NVAP is being reprocessed and extended, increasing its 14-year coverage to include 22 years of data. The NVAP-MEaSUREs (NVAP-M) dataset is geared towards varied user needs, and biases in the original dataset caused by algorithm and input changes were removed. This is accomplished by relying on peer reviewed algorithms and producing the data in multiple “streams” to create products geared towards studies of both climate and weather. We briefly discuss the need for reprocessing and extension, steps taken to improve the product, and provide some early science results highlighting the improvements and potential scientific uses of NVAP-M.

Dr. Pielke adds:

The current paper is not the final word on this subject. The end of the paper reads

The results of Figs. 1 and 4 have not been subjected to detailed global or regional trend analyses, which will be a topic for a forthcoming paper. Such analyses must account for the changes in satellite sampling discussed in the supplement. Therefore, at this time, we can neither prove nor disprove a robust trend in the global water vapor data.

However, the figure at the top of this post, if it turns about to be robust, raises fundamental issues with respect to the ability of global climate models to skillfully model the role of humans in altering the climate.

Forrest Mimms III writes via email:

This paper is a bit sketchy and needs filling out. Nevertheless, it’s quite possibly the most significant water vapor paper in a decade.

The key finding of this paper is the time series in Fig. 4(c), which bears a rough resemblance to my time series over nearly the same time.This time series is devastating to the modeler’s assumptions about the positive feedback of water vapor in a world with steadily rising CO2 levels.

The modelers have no explanation for why temperature and PW across the SE USA have actually declined during the last century. The explanation is likely a combination of at least three factors:

1. Global warming is best described as regional warming.

2. ENSO and other natural cycles play a major role.

3. How can we trust the global temperature record when (as shown by you, Watts, et al.) so many stations are improperly situated, especially as urbanization has arrived or surrounded them.

UPDATE:

Here’s the full paper http://www.leif.org/EOS/2012GL052094-pip.pdf

Thanks Leif.

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G. Karst
July 18, 2012 12:40 pm

Wow! You can bet they spent many sleepless nights trying to torture a overall, AGW confirming, positive trend. My spider-senses tell me they were unable to… because the overall trend is negative? Damn spider-senses, are usually wrong.
Anyway, alarmists should let out a big “sigh of relief”. This certainly indicates we are not going to cook in are own juices… soon. GK

Werner Brozek
July 18, 2012 1:05 pm

Ian W says:
July 18, 2012 at 4:03 am
Even better just use ocean heat content as the top few meters of ocean hold as much heat as the entire atmosphere.

And here is what the plot of hadsst2 looks like: No warming for 15.5 years and cooling at the rate of 1.0 C/century for the last 10.5 years.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1997/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1997/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/trend
P.S.. The anomalies for April, May and June are not on WFT but they are available at:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadsst2/diagnostics/global/nh+sh/monthly
With the sea surface anomaly for June at 0.351, the average for the first six months of the year is (0.203 + 0.230 + 0.242 + 0.292 + 0.339 + 0.351)/6 = 0.276. This is about the same as in 2011 when it was 0.273 and ranked 12th for that year. 1998 was the warmest at 0.451. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in August of 1998 when it reached 0.555. If the June anomaly continued for the rest of the year, 2012 would end up 10th. In order for a new record to be set in 2012, the average for the last 6 months of the year would need to be 0.63. Since this is above the highest monthly anomaly ever recorded, it is virtually impossible for 2012 to set a new record.
(The slope for 15.5 years would not be affected by the addition of the last three months, but the slope for the last 10.5 years would be very slightly affected.)

July 18, 2012 1:07 pm

The graph presented in the post is the global average Total Precipitable Water vapour timeseries from 1988 to 2009.
The change of total precipitable water vapour (PW) column tell us little about the water vapour impact on the greenhouse effect or outgoing longwave radiation because changes in the upper atmosphere have a much greater effect than changes near the surface.
Computer simulations using HARTCODE, a line-by-line radiative code, show that a 20% reduction of water vapour in a layer at 300 to 400 mbar pressure level (about 8 to 9 km altitude) has 30 times the effect on outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) as the same absolute change of water vapour near the surface.
Specifically, a reduction of 0.14 mm PW in a layer 307 to 423 mbar (equal to 20% reduction) would cause a 0.80 W/m2 increase in OLR, while the same 0.14 mm PW reduction in an atmosphere layer near the surface at 1013 to 848 mbar (equal to 0.964% reduction) would cause a 0.026 W/m2 increase in OLR. A water vapour amount change in the upper layer has 0.80/.026 = 30 times the effect as the same change in the surface layer. The vertical location of the water vapour change is very important to the greenhouse effect. This effect is shown graphically here;
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/H2O_OLR.jpg
The NVAP Data and Information is given here;
http://eosweb.larc.nasa.gov/PRODOCS/nvap/table_nvap.html
The NVAP readme file shows that the precipitable water vapour information is available in 5 layers:
L1: 850-1000mb
L2: 700-850mb
L3: 500-700mb
L4: 300-500mb
L5: 200-300mb
With warming, the water vapour reduction in the L4 and L5 layers largely offset the increase in the lower layers.
A graph of water vapour at 400 mbar in the tropics from NOAA versus CO2 is here:
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/SH400TropicsVsCO2.jpg
In the topics, the specific humidity best fit line has declined by 0.11 g/kg, or 13%, from 1960 to 2011.
Further info at;
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/Climate_Change_Science.html#Water_vapour

July 18, 2012 2:57 pm

Garret, read this: ““The extended calculation using coupled runs confirms the earlier inference from the AMIP runs that underestimating the negative feedback from cloud albedo and overestimating the positive feedback from the greenhouse effect of water vapor over the tropical Pacific during ENSO is a prevalent problem of climate models.”
Bummer.

George E. Smith;
July 18, 2012 3:31 pm

“””””……SteveSadlov says:
July 18, 2012 at 11:56 am
Water vapor behaves differently at different pressures. Water vapor at or near the ground is a very different thing from water vapor at 30K feet. Other phases of water are further different. Most clouds probably present a negative feedback. I’m even starting to doubt that solid state high clouds are a positive feedback. A remaining area to investigate is precip. Everything we thought we knew about H20 is probably wrong……”””””
Why would that be so ? Water vapor (aka gas) consists of independent H2O molecules, each as free as a lark. Depending on how close they may be to each other or to other molecular species, and also depending on their mean velocity, which generally depend on pressure and Temperature respectively, they will spend part of their time involved in collisions, with other free molecules, and part of their time in free flight between such collisions.
In any case, while in free flight, the H2O molecule can encounter a solar radiation photon; perhaps one with a suitable wavelength to excite some molecular excited state in the H2O molecule, thereby absorbing that solar energy, which as a result will never reach the surface, including the deep ocean, as a solar spectrum photon; thus resulting in a surface cooling effect.
This effect clearly is operational at the individual molecular level, in the case of this H2O vapor, so I don’t see how there can be any significant altitude or other effect, apart from the abundance of such molecules; it still has to be a negative feedback cooling effect (in the sense that MORE H2O vapor molecules, leads to LESS solar radiation energy reaching earth’s surface to be stored in the ocean or rocks.
Also the loss of such solar radiant energy to the surface, must result in a subsequent reduction in the emission of LWIR radiant energy from the surface, which can participate in the so-called “greenhouse” effect capture by other H2O molecules, or even by the much less abundant CO2 molecules. I’m not seeing any positive feedback build up in earth absorbed energy, as a result of this increase in H2O vapor; regardless of the altitude of such molecules.

chris y
July 18, 2012 3:47 pm

jorgekafkazar says:
July 18, 2012 at 11:19 am
chris y says: “The graph seems to confirm that we have had no global warming since about 1995. I think I see a wiggle from Pinatubo around 1991, when global atmospheric opacity dropped by 10% for a good part of a year.”
Opacity???
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I should have said that opacity increased by 10%, not decreased.
Measurements of solar radiation transmittance through the atmosphere at Mauna Loa dropped from 93% to 83% during the eruption, and recovered by 1995 or so. I have seen this reported as a decrease in transmittance or an increase in opacity of the atmosphere.

July 18, 2012 3:54 pm

It turns out that the Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres recently published a paper on the “recent changes in tropospheric water vapor over the Arctic” (HTML version not behind a paywall: http://www.agu.org/journals/jd/jd1210/2011JD017421/index.shtml). Their conclusions:
“statistically significant trends in precipitable water over the Arctic as assessed over the period 1979–2010 are mostly positive. … [The results are] consistent with a changing Arctic environment with a warmer atmosphere that can carry more water vapor, higher north Atlantic sea surface temperatures and reduced sea ice extent

They are also consistent with reduced sea ice from increase solar insolation/particulate deposition as the cause of a warmer atmosphere that can carry more water vapor and higher north Atlantic sea surface temperatures.
From the paper,
We have no clear explanation for this decadal-scale {around year 2000} shift from negative to positive relative humidity anomalies.
The cause is accelerated ice melt after 2000.

Gail Combs
July 18, 2012 5:10 pm

Garrett says:
July 18, 2012 at 10:18 am
…..I can just about comprehend people’s disbelief that humans are causing GW, I cannot get my head around why so many still think that the Earth is not warming at all.
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It depends completely on the time frame you are talking about as to whether the earth is warming or cooling because the earth’s climate is cyclical.
1979 to present: Graph #1
1880 to 1976 (National Geographic)Graph #2
10,000 yrs Greenland Ice CoreGraph #3
10,000 yrs Vostok Ice CoreGraph #4
140,000 yrs Vostock Ice Core (present on left)Graph #5
450K yrs Vostock Ice Core (present on left)Graph #6
There are also these peer reviewed studies among others.
Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception
Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) w11 ka ago and has … elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3 C above 20th century…
Interesting WUWT discussion: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/16/the-end-holocene-or-how-to-make-out-like-a-madoff-climate-change-insurer/
Other non-CO2 info from scientists
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute (2004): http://discovermagazine.com/2004/may/a-new-ice-age-day-after-tomorrow
http://earthweb.ess.washington.edu/roe/Publications/MilanDefense_GRL.pdf
http://www.sciencebits.com/ice-ages
http://thegwpf.org/the-observatory/3779-henrik-svensmark-the-cosmic-raycloud-seeding-hypothesis-is-converging-with-reality.html
http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.1954
E M Smith (ChiefIO) had articles a few years ago about bond events and civilizations.
Bond Events do occur and here is one paper on the subject: The Physical Evidence of Earth’s Unstoppable 1,500-Year Climate Cycle
So what is a Bond Event? They are abnormally cold periods that happen about every 1470 years. We are likely headed into one now, IMHO.
The 2 Kilo Year Event and You
The Little Ice Age was an Intermediate Period Half Bond Event
The Russian Academy of Science also thinks Global warming is ending: http://notrickszone.com/2012/05/21/scientists-of-the-russian-academy-of-sciences-global-warming-is-coming-to-an-end-return-to-early-1980s-level/
As a farmer, a few degrees warmer would be a pain but colder is the real crisis especially for Canada, Russia and China who are on the northern most edge of the grain belt at the present temperatures.
The Earth’s climate is a darn complicated system with the oceans a key factor as well as the impact of solar variation and changes in the atmosphere all complicated by land masses and mountains and volcanoes… Darn hard to figure out what all the factors are much less what effects which and how much. And then you toss in oscillations…
Climate is still an infant science. We have learned a lot but there is still a lot more to learn. Spending thirty years stuck on CO2 as the “control knob” of climate was a real waste of time, effort and money.

July 18, 2012 5:11 pm

uknowispeaksense says:
July 18, 2012 at 6:07 am
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which ones?
REPLY: Check the site policy here and then take your choice. -REP

Babsy
July 18, 2012 5:36 pm

Ric Werme says:
July 18, 2012 at 9:56 am
“I doubt that hail in a severe Tstrm falls at anything close to that air speed. Rain drops are only in the 10s of mph, IIRC.”
I don’t know the velocities involved but they have to be low as it seems it would take a long time for raindrops to ride the vertical air currents inside a boomer and transform themselves into hail stones of varying sizes.

Gail Combs
July 18, 2012 6:28 pm

Speaking of T-storms this report is interesting: http://www.damninteresting.com/rider-on-the-storm/

…. Under normal circumstances one would expect about three and a half minutes of free-fall to reach the breathable altitude of 10,000 feet. The circumstances, however, were not normal…. Bill’s brutalized body had spent around forty minutes bobbing around the area of atmosphere which mountaineers refer to unfondly as the Death Zone….
No human before or since Bill Rankin is known to have parachuted through a cumulonimbus tower and lived to tell about it.

Eugene WR Gallun
July 18, 2012 6:39 pm

David Dodd says
Climastrologists — Wow! Love it!
Eugene WR Gallun

July 18, 2012 6:53 pm

Garrett says:
July 18, 2012 at 10:18 am
…..I can just about comprehend people’s disbelief that humans are causing GW, I cannot get my head around why so many still think that the Earth is not warming at all.

The problem here is that many people, apparently you included, can’t get their head around what ‘The Earth’s climate is warming / has warmed, actually means’.
Does it mean this second, minute, hour, day, week, year,decade, century, millenia?
As Gail points out, it depends on what timescale you select, and you should ponder the following.
At all times, the Earth’s climate has both warmed from one or more points in the past and has cooled from one or more points in the past, with only 2 exceptions when the climate is the warmest its ever been and when the climate is the coldest its ever been.
So, the following two statements are always equally true.
The Earth’s climate has warmed up to the present.
The Earth’s climate has cooled up to the present.

Eugene WR Gallun
July 18, 2012 7:26 pm

To Garret —
You seem put out that some people don’t believe the earth is warming. A paper was recently discussed on this site that used 2000 years of fossilized tree rings to study the long term trend. It was negative. According to that paper over the last 2000 years the earth has been quite evidently cooling.
What you should complain about are people who dont think that the earth has been getting warmer in the last century or so. Those fossilized tree rings did show two periods in the last two thousand years when the earth was substantially warmer than it is now so quite obviously warming periods do occur even though the overall trend for the last two thousand years has been one of cooling. And after all we are coming out of the Little Ice Age. So of course the earth is warming.
I have myself never seen any person post on this site saying that the earth has not been generally warming since the Little Ice Age. But many people have pointed out that for the last fifteen years that warming trend has stalled. Even the climastrologists admit that — now claiming that their models have always predicted such a “no warming” period was possible and that it might last for another 30 years — a period of time at the end of which they all will be dead and buried. If it turns out that their models are finally falsified (they not being here to keep moving the goalposts) I suppose the only recourse the then current generation of people studying climate will have — is to go piss on their graves.
Eugene WR Gallun

I Am Digitap
July 18, 2012 9:25 pm

Some of us were saying, the Magic Gas story is a lie from first to last, maybe when Anthony did Al Gore’s experiment online for himself, he saw too: there is no magic gas. It’s all a lie, and was from the beginning. It’s crime is what it is. Straight up ‘I fear no law enforcement on earth’ crime, by government employees gaming the system using other government employees – like Al Gore – as cover from law enforcement.

Bart
July 19, 2012 12:47 am

Allan MacRae says:
July 18, 2012 at 7:44 am
Allan – I would like for you to take a look at my reply to Ferdinand here. I think I’ve potentially figured out the source of the temperature dependency of CO2 in which both you and I share an interest.

gofer
July 19, 2012 12:51 pm

“Catastroligists”, “Calamatologist” and Joe Bastardi’s “climate-clowns”, some subsitutes for the bland-sounding “alarmist.”