Clouded thinking
There seems to be a disturbance in the farce. Peter J. Simmons uses the WUWT Submit Story link (making it fair game to publish) to send this fine example of climate delusion in action, complete with “you people” and big oil claims.
Further down we have a death threat style email from Marc Morano he shared today. I’m sure David Appell will get right on it.
Peter J. Simmons writes:
Story body: You’re too busy for this to be a hobby. So it’s your job unless you are independently wealthy. Are you paid by oil companies to spread disinformation? If you live on the East Coast you may have cause to start wondering if your career choice was sensible.
But any way, the environment will catch up with you people, as every day brings more ‘extreme’ weather events, records for rainfall broken repeatedly [the north of England and Scotland just had a month’s rain in 24 hours, in June, one of many records broken] and extreme weather is becoming the norm around the world.
Rather than spending your life copying and pasting this garbage [do you actually create any of it?] you would be advised to step outside occasionally into the real world and experience what is happening to the climate in real time, in reality, you know, on your skin. So much effort, energy and activity to deny reality, and your epitaph will be ‘He got it wrong’.
‘It don’t take a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows’.
Short summary: http://planetark.org/wen/65757
A couple of points.
1. I do get outside, for example- the head photo in this post is of clouds taken by me last night near my home, I found the mix of lower level cumulus constrained by the LCL juxtaposed with the higher patterned cirrus interesting.
2. I don’t get any funding from big oil, small oil, or coal companies or energy companies of any kind. Yes I’m busy, yes I write a lot of my own material, combined with guest posts and press releases. Your assertions are just talking points fabricated by the haters with no basis. If I was funded by “big oil” or independently wealthy, would I need to do things like this (yes, another outside excursion)?
3. As for my epitaph, I’ve already written it into my will to be inscribed on my tombstone, you’ll just have to wait.
Here’s Marc Morano’s hate mail today, equally entertaining. He writes:
I wonder if Australian media would be interested in hate/threatening mail i recieved today. Abc News? I would send a taunting email back, but it is most likely fake email return address.
From: Fuk Yu <fuckyou@fucktard.com>
Sent: Tue Jun 26 11:44:29 EDT 2012
To: morano@climatedepot.com
Subject: leave the scientists alone
I will have a nice long drive up to DC and have a very short and unpleasant conversation with your ass if you don”t stop harrassing scientists.
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Greens need higher quality trolls. – Anthony
UPDATE: It seems that there must be something in the air today…more examples from Tom Nelson:
Classy: Warmist Brad Johnson tweets using hashtag “#suckitdeniers”
Twitter / climatebrad: #climategate smackdown
#climategate smackdown: “Petitioners have not, as they assert, uncovered a ‘pattern’ of flawed science.” #suckitdeniers
Brad Johnson (climatebrad) on Twitter
Campaign Manager for Forecast the Facts (@ForecastFacts). Former ThinkProgress Green Editor at the Center for American Progress.
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Left-wing warmist Roger Ebert: “Global Warming Deniers shouting their denials through snorkels”
Twitter / ebertchicago: Sea level rising 3-4 times
Sea level rising 3-4 times faster on East Coast. Global Warming Deniers shouting their denials through snorkels.
leave Brad alone! he hasn’t realized it yet, but the only ways to FORECAST the FACTS are (a) a time machine; (b) a crystal ball or (c) living in North Korea where everything happens as expected by the Government.
seems to me FtF is anti-science in all respects and the last thing they should do is imagine there’s bigger suckers than them.
Tony Hansen says:
June 26, 2012 at 11:31 am
Morano has a donkey?
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Yeah, I thought he was getting a horse.
cn
Now tell me Peter J. Simmons WHERE IS YOUR PEER REVIEWED EVIDENCE OF MORE EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS? (I vaguely recall that global warming means more warmth at the poles therefore we should bet fewer extremes, but hey I’m no climate scientist.)
Now try and pull yourself out of your stupor and try to read some peer reviewed evidence showing NO EXTREME TRENDS. Some show decreases!!!! Head for the hills!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/27/another-paper-shows-that-severe-weatherextreme-weather-has-no-trend-related-to-global-warming/
http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=l446053m40t06j43&size=largest
Regarding oil funding you really should learn to get out more and open your eyes. May I firstly point out that Anthony has his own private business. Secondly, take a peek at the right hand side of this page and your will see a few money making schemes that helps to keep things running.
I’ve seen people like this called “Nasty Libs” on select political blogs–this one is particularly Nasty, but a Nasty Lib nonetheless.
When a person’s belief system begins to crumble like a landslide in progress, all sorts of mental contortions, manifest as verbal and written vomit, are the typical symptoms.
All I can say, Anthony, is “Keep it up!” You’re driving these people nuts. The vast majority of your readers are enjoying it immensely, and in a viseral, very satisfying way.
Peter Simmons
I guess you are British-like me-as you make two references to British weather. Can I respectfully suggest you look at the records in your own country as I do? The Met office archives are a good place to start. I’ve managed to get back to 1538 in my endeavours to find out what the weather has been doing over the centuries. You can read my research here. It examines literally thousands of contemporary records and also compares the methodology of Hubert Lamb-the fitrst director of CRU- and Dr Michael Mann who invented the Hockey stick.
http://judithcurry.com/2011/12/01/the-long-slow-thaw/
You then might like to examine the Met Offices own temperature record for Central England (the oldest in the world.)
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/
Do you realise the temperature has been dropping like a stone for the last decade? Its currently at the same anomaly as it was in the 1730’s. Makes you think doesnt it? If you’re a gardener it will be why you won’t be able to grow outdoor tomatoes any more and why many of your plants might have succumbed to frost.
Rain? The deluges we used to endure in this country- as noted by our ancestors- puts the current benign era into proper context.
According to BEST-a recent temperature database-one third of the world is cooling not warmimg. Did you know that Peter?.
Hopefully you’ll take your own advice and look around a bit more. We have the finest weather records in the world. You’ll soon see that nothing untoward is happening if you look at centuries, rather than decades. By the way Big Oil-regrettably-dont pay me for my articles either. In fact I don’t know anyone who gets money from them. At the moment its only warmists who get research grants for ‘proving’ global warming. As your tomatoes will testify, warming certainly isn’t global
cordially yours
tonyb
Peter J. Simmons writes …..
“‘It don’t take a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows’.”
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And don’t take a Mann to know what blows.
Don’t forget Roger Pielke Jr.’s handy bullshit button!
Seriously. With respect to the considerable amount of hate mail *and action* coming from certain activists these day – please be careful. What has been a phenomenon affecting conservative bloggers could be starting to focus on “deniers” who speak out. [snip – well aware, but lets not give some of the angroids any ideas – Anthony]
Hmmm, the DC comment threw me but I’ve been posting a lot of WUWT article links on various ‘The Hill’ posts related to Energy & Environment, E2-Wire, etc over the last few weeks.
Sorry if the links are attracting some of the craizier Trolls. Hopefully the links are also attracting Congressional Aids and the Press.
The Planet Ark link above now points to an alarming story about water running uphill, obviously our fault again:
“Sea levels from Cape Hatteras to Cape Cod are rising at a faster pace than anywhere on Earth …”
“Researchers found that sea levels in this corridor were rising between three and four times faster than the global average, and they fit with computer simulations aimed at predicting the effects of climate change.”
Peter J. Simmons
“the environment will catch up with you people, as every day brings more ‘extreme’ weather events”
So, if we start having less extreme weather events you’ll jump sides? Or will you say, that’s just weather not climate? What if it’s “you people” that nature catches up to? What if we see global cooling for the next few years? Will you stop accusing people of maliciousness just because they’ve come to different conclusions than you? Will you and all the other CAGW fanatics finally learn a lesson on critical thinking and how not to be sold a bill of goods so easily? Will you finally learn what a logical fallacy is?
Being a skeptic means I’m not convinced that it is likely that anthropogenic CO2 emissions will be devastating to the planet’s ecosystems and/or civilization; and even less convinced that “mitigation” is the best way to deal with it if it is. Since I’m “not convinced ” I can change my position if new evidence arises without much ado, whereas you are going to look pretty darn [self-snip] if the whole CAGW disaster turns out to be much ado about nothing after all.
Obviously, you and I have very different thresholds of evidentiary influence. If I were a defendant, I would not like to have you on the jury, as apparently the prosecutor would merely have to show the flimsiest of circumstantial evidence to convince you of my guilt. I’ve decided if I’m ever put in that position I’ll have my lawyer dismiss anyone who believes in CAGW, “you people” are just too easily manipulated by simple lies of omission i.e.: Zohnerism.
How sad that there are still people living in the 21st century that haven’t learned enough history, science, physics, psychology, sociology, statistics, or any other discipline that easily supplies the tools from which one can determine the CAGW conjecture is actually quite dependent on looking at merely a portion of the available evidence.
There seems to be a move by the clever people away from AGW, leaving just the socially and cognitively challenged behind to man the blogs…
And while we are on Marc Morano his site point out a new paper showing it’s worse than we thought in Antarctica.
Via the Register
GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, doi:10.1029/2012GL051012
Two years of oceanic observations below the Fimbul Ice Shelf, Antarctica
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/pip/2012GL051012.shtml
Unfortunately, persons of dubious parentage sending poison emails demonstrates that bad vibes travel across the interweb quite well. Fortunately, like the warming effects of CO2, the effects on the recipient have logarithmically decreasing m\gnitude, which probably means Anthony is effectively immune by now.
A note on those “more extreme weather” claims. On Metcheck’s website, they have a page showing UK Weather Singularities – specific periods of the year where “weather types” are common across the British Isles. Let’s see what they have for June, with their confidence level in each case:
Hmm. It might make an interesting exercise to work back and find just how short a memory is required to panic about a wet June, given those confidence levels in those predictions …
There appears to be a Peter J. Simmons at the University of East Anglia who seems to be paid for doing nothing of any particular significance. He is interested in nuclear power, I’m not sure whether for or against.
Didn’t the Met Office recently get itself a brand new 30 million pound computer (or was it 30 billion, whatever, let us not quarrel over a few nothings!). With this mighty new tool they were able to produce more and wronger forecasts. Now I have even seen murmurings from their top people to the effect that the new computer is too small, they need a bigger one.
It’s a fair bet that whatever they “predict” go for the opposite.
As for extreme weather, here in the South of France, the weather is hot during the day and cool at night, exactly as always. Is France somehow excused extreme weather? Just in case someone finds this humorous, there was an hilarious French tv news item at the time of Chernobyl, which showed the radioactive clouds streaming across from the East, then dividing East of France, some heading North, some South, and then reforming West of France, resulting in alleged green-glowing sheep in Wales. Now, wouldn’t that French exception be worth getting a hold of?
Except, except….When visiting the area of South central France, Occitania, not far from Toulouse/Montauban there is a two story house somewhere out there with a metal plaque on the chimney. The plaque marks the high water mark of the Grand Inondation which occurred thereabouts in, I think, the 1920’s.
Was this an extreme weather condition? Even before CAGW?
Shouldn’t we be told?
Heavy rainfall in June is an ancient English tradition. We have a short, dry, hot spell. Then the worlds top tennis players arrive in a normally obscure corner of southwest London and the heavens open.
The sight of a surly Croatian munching a banana under an umbrella in a rainstorm is all part of our rich national tapestry and long may it continue.
What was it Gandhi said? Anyway, I think they are at the “then they fight you” stage now. Some of them do seem to be getting a little bit irrational…
A true word spoken “It is skepticism that gives value to science and is what separates true seekers of truth from government science authoritarians.”
Tony Hansen says:
June 26, 2012 at 11:31 am
Morano has a donkey?
Ahhh…. apparently so – for that is the implied threat.
Mr Morano needs to toe the line or the ASS get’s it!
The east cost isn’t suffering from sea level rise. So far as I know, everything that was built above water in the oldest east cost port cities 100 years ago is still above water. There have been a few islands disappear into the Chesapeake bay, but, they were washed away or sunk due to subsidance (http://www.bayjournal.com/article/most_of_what_now_exists_of_eroding_james_island_is_memories). I suspect this sort of thing happens to the barrier islands as well.
Aren’t those tidal gauges that show catastrophic sea level rise situated in marshland? Sinking of marshland or increased swelling of rivers due to loss of surrounding marshland will give you the impression of sea level rise. Anyway, as a lifetime east coaster, I don’t see it. How do these researchers not have to answer these sort of objections?
The extreme weather meme is not even supported by the official science at the UN IPCC.
From Roger Pielke Jr: http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.ca/2012/03/handy-bullshit-button-on-disasters-and.html
So where do these people get this idea of a sudden upsurge in extreme weather from – is it entirely made up?
I wouldn’t worry about it. When you crunch the numbers – a’la the Drake Equation – ( %people with access to the net =30%, % of that who are AGW believers, speak english, don’t live in mom’s basement, etc., etc. ) there’s probably only a dozen or so world wide who get their jollies from crap like this.
“I’d assume most conversations with my ass would be very short….”
Whether it be with the ass or the arse, this guy would still be seriously out-witted.
From one religious fanatic to another, the “hate” mailer is wrong on man being responsible for increased “extreme” weather. How do I know? Because the Bible said so two thousand years ago!
Luke 21:11
There will be great earthquakes, and in various places famines and pestilences. And there will be terrors and great signs from heaven.