Its always important to remember what has been predicted by the elders of science, and to review those predictions when the time is right. In four months, just 132 days from now at the end of summer on the Autumnal Equinox September 22nd 2012, the Arctic will be “nearly ice free” according to a prominent NASA scientist in a National Geographic article on December 12, 2007. That is also the same article in which the future NSIDC director made himself famous with this quote:
“The Arctic is screaming,”
…said Mark Serreze, senior scientist at the government’s snow and ice data center in Boulder, Colorado.
Here’s the article as a screen cap, highlights mine:
Seth Borenstein of AP wrote the story.
Source: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071212-AP-arctic-melt.html
Which I’ve webcited the printer friendly version (sans advertising) for posterity here:
http://www.webcitation.org/67cXXHEjg
Some people are taking this prediction very seriously, for example, watch this video:
Children just aren’t going to know what an Arctic Icecap is.
So, given the proximity of this upcoming event, I’ve added a countdown for it in the right sidebar. We watch and wait until 7:49AM Pacific Time 14:49 UTC on September 22nd, 2012.
In the meantime, here’s the current sea-ice situation on the WUWT Sea Ice Reference Page
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so many things COULD happen..
How likely it is ? so we can test the credibility of these scientists…
Science is really going down hill. Do people like Serreze realize, or care, that they are lowering the standing of all scientists involved in the study of the climate, the atmosphere, the oceans, etc? Will Serreze at least publicly admit his scaremongering mistake, just as he quite publicly made an unqualified projection of gloom? I challenge him to do so.
I saw a car yesterday driving around the freeway south of San Jose with the “go Veg. Be Green” bumper sticker on it. That got us talking about supper, and we settled on dinner at Harry’s Hofbrau. I had the corned beef. Its a long drive donw from Nevada.
Good article. I would not, though, use phrasing like “the elders of science” as that plays into the hands of some environmentalists who like to pretend to the public they are synonymous with science for the sake of the giant appeal to authority which is the bedrock of the CAGW movement. Like the Peter Gleick affair highlighted, they like to pretend to the public that their opponents are anti-science, when rather we skeptics support science. Real science is objective, honest advancement of human knowledge, and, of course, Anthony Watts, we both know how much (or not!) that applies to the CAGW movement.*
*(E.g. depicting http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/arctic-sea-ice-coverage-anomaly.jpg when the real history was rather http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/ArcticIce/Images/arctic_temp_trends_rt.gif and as seen in http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/02/cache-of-historical-arctic-sea-ice-maps-discovered/ ).
There are many cases where the phrase “scientists say” in much media could be better replaced with “some environmentalists claim.” By now, some institutions have reached the point where the only individuals likely to try getting employment at such as a career are those who know they would have no qualms about maintaining the party line, and accordingly they have become dominated by environmentalist ideologues rather than real scientists.
I was just noticing the preceding in another context, nominally much different but part of the same general anti-growth ideological movement. I was recently reading a claim of “some scientists now believe that a ‘peak phosphorus’ will occur in 30 years” where the writers were implying science concludes such, when rather it is some environmentalists playing to mathematically illiterate ignorant audiences. (Such is actually an absurdity: Beyond the 71 billion tons of phosphorus reserves already inventoried according to an USGS estimate for extraction at about exactly current market prices, already hundreds of times current 0.2 billion tons/year global consumption, there is a practically unlimited amount of intermediate ores between such and the roughly around 30 million billion tons of phosphorus in Earth’s 3 * 10^19 ton crust at an average concentration of ~ 0.1%, where, for perspective, typical vegetation is only 0.03% to 0.2% phosphorus).
Science used to be synchronous –and still should be– with an unsaid vision of supporting real technological progress for advancement and expansion of the material prosperity of mankind, of promoting a positive future. Some major segments of the environmentalist movement, including those making CAGW claims (as well as many other anti-growth memes and falsehoods), are trying to make science synchronous in the public consciousness with a dystopian vision of the future. Only then would most people come to believe in their vision: one of encouraging and eventually enforcing “lower material consumption,” “lower energy consumption” (the long-winded phrases used to pretend not to say poverty), with the hardcore ideologues at heart against space colonization, etc.
Anthony,
Do you still remember this BBC article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm
Can’t find who said this (Einstein?) but it’s apposite…
‘When the experts are united in a point of view the layman would do well to believe that the opposite point of view may be mistaken.’
And it applies a fortiori when the experts have a political agenda.
Can’t recall who said…
‘When the experts are united in a point of view the layman would do well to believe that the opposite point of view may be mistaken.’
…but it’s apposite.
A fortiori if the experts have a political agenda.
A message from Antarctica…
“Hey, what about me? I’ve been gaining sea ice above normal for soooo long, and nobody cares. Hellooo??? You know, it’s always the Arctic, Arctic, Arctic!! When am I gonna gets some props? Sheeesh…”
HIs prediction was made in 2007. This is noteworthy since this was a very ‘thin’ year for ice and his prediction was made at a time when, in recent terms, Arctic sea ice was getting less and less. It would appear that he simply extrapolated that trend. Since then, and obviously not envisaged by Mark Serreze, there has been a recovery in sea ice extend.
Such are the trials and tribulations of natural variation, and predicting the future is the provence of fools if one overlooks these natural variations.
Borenstein (the gullible)— again !!
“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me !! “
I think this is a great post, but there were many other “predictions” made. Let’s remember a few more!
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/05/02/science/new-theory-on-ice-sheet-catastrophe-is-the-direst-one-yet.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/286/5446/1828.summary
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/281/5373/17.summary
And always remember, the amount of ice in the world is UP!
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg
Have I mentioned lately, that a PhD recall provision is desparately needed? I would now extend this to the need for an accreditation program like the P.Eng program for engineers, for any scientist being a recipient of (at a minimum) public grant funds for research, and for a removal of any employer as a grant administrator if any scientist in their employ loses their “P.Sc” by virtue of what effectively is academic fraud. While it’s important to maintain the realm of objectivity and freedom for science, it appears necessary, in the absence of actual objectivity and the presence of ethical failure, to begin the process to expunge those who cannot, or more egregiously, will not, embrace the necessary rigour that good science demands.
You should link this in the article for posterity, Serezze now says ice free by 2030.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/07/16/266463/arctic-ice-at-record-low-nsidc-director-serreze-ice-free-summer-by-2030-downward-spiral/?mobile=nc
Now, now. To be fair, he never really defined what “could be nearly ice-free” means. For example, a 95% cover could be “nearly” I suppose.
/snark
Well, he did say “could be” and “nearly” ice free. Of course he “could be” wrong. LOL
Making “accurate” predictions certainly helps your career
“Mark Serreze is the director of NSIDC. In 2009, he succeeded Dr. Roger Barry, who retired from the post in 2008 after 31 years of service. Serreze, a senior research scientist at NSIDC since 2005, is also a full professor in the University of Colorado at Boulder Geography Department, and a Fellow of the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES). He studies Arctic climate, and the causes and global implications of climate change in the Arctic. Serreze is well known for his research on the declining sea ice cover in the Arctic Ocean.”
http://nsidc.org/about/people.html
If you assume your research is solely on “declining ice cover”, how open will you be to objectively evaluating what is happening in the Arctic. He now has control over of those obtaining and analyzing the data and reporting the data.
We have to watch the Watchers.
It seems obvious to me that all post-Rio climate conferences should be held on a cruise ship at the north pole. In years when it cannot get there due to ice, we skip it.
That darn global warming is ruining everything. We now have to traverse Great Lakes too !
http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/pr/ourlakes/background.html
Sometimes all it takes is a simple image from the government to tell a story.
http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/pr/pr_images/glacier.jpg
richard verney says:
May 13, 2012 at 4:30 am
HIs prediction was made in 2007. This is noteworthy since this was a very ‘thin’ year for ice and his prediction was made at a time when, in recent terms, Arctic sea ice was getting less and less. It would appear that he simply extrapolated that trend. Since then, and obviously not envisaged by Mark Serreze, there has been a recovery in sea ice extend.
Such are the trials and tribulations of natural variation, and predicting the future is the provence of fools if one overlooks these natural variations.
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So what you are saying is that a Phd teaches you how to draw a straight line? Mostly a line up when it comes to temperature and mostly down when it comes to Arctic ice. Let me try…….If the rate of Government spending on CAGW mitigation continues at this rate we will be bankrupt. Sorry, bad example. sarc/
May I recomment to people the following
http://www.ec.gc.ca/glaces-ice/default.asp?lang=En&n=CEC7AE99-1
This gives detailed ice conditions in the Canadian Arctic. Last year the data started on 15th May. I think it might be worthwhile explaining why we only provide data for a short period of time; 6 months.
One of the important jobs of the Canadian icebreakers is to escort cargo ships supplying heavy goods to ports in the Canadian Arcitc. The season, and our resources, are both limited, so it is essential that the work be done with maximum efficiency. The planning process for 2012 is just beginning, so Environment Canada deploys the resources needed to get the detailed ice data about now. This process culminates in a supply convey getting the furthest north we go; Eureka in early September. So we only collect the data for 6 monhs of the year. However, this does cover the iconic NorthWest Passage.
There was a Physicist called Mann
Whose manifest problems began
When he said all the ice
Would be gone in a trice
And the whole thing turned out to be sham
(I know it wasn’t actually Mann, but it scans)
🙂
It’s a shame that people in positions of power in science have so little integrity. People with the mind set of Mark Serreze are little different than a pandering politician who will say anything to get attention (votes). And when faced with the reality of their words backtrack and obfuscate.
My internal discretion indicator detects bias in the data from NSIDC, always a trait of agenda driven, government funded “science”.
@Kasuha
>>The original statement is not “at the end of 2012 arctic will be ice free”, the statement is “at this rate (of decline), at the end of 2012 arctic will be ice free”.
But you see, Kasuha, this is the entire problem in a nutshell. Every pronouncement of the alarmists comes with a caveat or is couched in the language of “If,” “then,” “could,” and “might.” And why is that? It is because all of these predictions are based upon computer models which in turn are based upon sets of assumptions, both of which are FAULTY. The predictions are then dutifully presented by the media as if they are fact, and many people accept them as such.
This, sir, is why the whole facade of global warming is now crumbling before your eyes. It simply wasn’t based in reality.
Kaboom says:
May 13, 2012 at 5:31 am
It seems obvious to me that all post-Rio climate conferences should be held on a cruise ship at the north pole. In years when it cannot get there due to ice, we skip it.
Ohhhh, nonononono, the conferences are too vital to the health of Mama Gaia — when the ice prevents the ship from getting there, we drop them off on the edge and they can walk.
Guided, of course, by Pen Hadow…
Günther Kirschbaum, your speculations ignore a lot of well-supiported climate science, mainly that low sea ice affects weather patterns in the Arctic marginally and not elsewhere. There has been a tendency since the recent low solar minimum to blame weather patterns like the winter blocking and snowstorms on Arctic temperature anomalies. It is much more likely that the weather patterns created the temperature anomalies. For example this past winter a persistent high over Scandinavia caused warmth in the Barents Sea and some cold outbreaks in eastern Europe. It would be as silly to blame that on low sea ice as it would be to blame the record cold January in Alaska on low sea ice or the subsequent record high Bering Strait sea ice on low sea ice.