UPDATE: More crow pie is served here
Paging David Appell and Nick Stokes – your crow pie is ready now.
As a follow up to yesterday’s breaking news that there were never any death threats at all, as determined by a court adjudicate, Simon Turnill writes on Australian Climate Madness that it has been confirmed that there’s a new story in the Australian saying that the police were never contacted over the alleged “death threats”, indicating that the Australian National University didn’t even take the non-existent “death threats” seriously enough to even report it! Today, ANU has “no comment” as to why.
He writes:
Following the freedom of information request story which made page 1 of The Australian yesterday, Christian Kerr and Lanai Vasek write a further story today, confirming that the Australian National University made no complaint to the police, despite alleging a vicious campaign of hatred against climate scientists.
As I said in my original post on this back in June 2011:
Last time I checked, which was about thirty seconds ago, making threats to kill in the ACT was a criminal offence, thanks to section 30 of the Crimes Act (ACT) 1900, and punishable by a maximum of ten years imprisonment. A similar provision for threats to kill via a postal service or carriage service appears in the Schedule to the Commonwealth Criminal Code Act 1995, with a similar punishment.
So one has to ask why no action was taken by the university, given these were allegedly such serious crimes?
Full story here.
Will science writer David Appell now retract his vicious personal smears here, here, and here, plus his follow up smear yesterday when faced with fresh evidence and offer an apology and retraction of his claims? I doubt he will, as I believe he does not have the personal integrity within himself to do so. I’ll be delighted to be proven wrong though.
UPDATE: Well that didn’t take long, Appell has now published my email to him (which was part of an unsolicited email thread started by Appell) along with the email addresses of people on the cc list. I view this as completely unprofessional and completely within character for him. On the plus side, when myself and the other email addresses he published start getting hate mail, we now have a claim against Mr. Appell.
http://davidappell.blogspot.com/2012/05/fwd-dumb-and-dumber.html
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Keep the faith, Nick. It’s all you’ve left.
Consensus agrees that David Appell is a coulrophiliac coprophagic proctocranial, and thass a fact.
Nick Stokes says:
“I have to say that calling me out in a post and then putting me on troll moderation which makes replying difficult, is hardly playing fair.”
At least your comments get posted, maybe with a little delay. I used to post comments at RealClimate. Not one of them ever made it out of moderation. See the difference?
Ally E. says, on May 3, 2012 at 4:39 pm:
“…how many times can they shoot themselves in the foot before they fall over?”
Is this OT ( from http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/joke/foot.htm )?
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How to Shoot Yourself In the Foot
Developer’s Insight, December 1991 (approx version)
The proliferation of modern programming languages (all of which seem to have stolen countless features from one another) sometimes makes it difficult to remember what language you’re currently using. This guide is offered as a public service to help programmers who find themselves in such dilemmas.
C
You shoot yourself in the foot.
C++
You accidently create a dozen instances of yourself and shoot them all in the foot. Providing emergency medical assistance is impossible since you can’t tell which are bitwise copies and which are just pointing at others and saying “That’s me, over there.”
FORTRAN
You shoot yourself in each toe, iteratively, until you run out of toes, then you read in the next foot and repeat. If you run out of bullets, you continue anyway because you have no exception-handling facility.
Modula-2
After realizing that you can’t actually accomplish anything in this language, you shoot yourself in the head.
COBOL
USEing a COLT 45 HANDGUN, AIM gun at LEG.FOOT, THEN place ARM.HAND.FINGER on HANDGUN.TRIGGER and SQUEEZE. THEN return HANDGUN to HOLSTER. CHECK whether shoelace needs to be retied.
Lisp
You shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which you shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which you shoot yourself in the appendage which holds…
BASIC
Shoot yourself in the foot with a water pistol. On big systems, continue until entire lower body is waterlogged.
Forth
Foot yourself in the shoot.
APL
You shoot yourself in the foot; then spend all day figuring out how to do it in fewer characters.
Pascal
The compiler won’t let you shoot yourself in the foot.
Snobol
If you succeed, shoot yourself in the left foot. If you fail, shoot yourself in the right foot.
HyperTalk
Put the first bullet of the gun into foot left of leg of you. Answer the result.
Prolog
You tell your program you want to be shot in the foot. The program figures out how to do it, but the syntax doesn’t allow it to explain.
370 JCL
You send your foot down to MIS with a 4000-page document explaining how you want it to be shot. Three years later, your foot comes back deep-fried.
I’m wondering which part of:
“The Australian Federal Police division responsible for law enforcement in Canberra, ACT Policing, said it was not contacted by the university over the matter. “As no complaint has been received, no investigation has taken place,” a spokesman said.”
Nick doesn’t understand. Claiming that they were “aware” of it is truly clutching at straws.
Yep, Smokey is right. I’ve never gotten any comments posted there either.
At WUWT we embrace comments from people with opposing views, unless or until they make themselves intolerable with policy violations. This can be fast (using the f-word to insult somebody here for example) or slow, like William Connolley, who had hundreds of comments here until we learned his real serially mendacious purpose. David Appell used to post here, I didn’t have that much of an issue with him, but his own behavior on this very issue forced me to boot him out of my home on the Internet.
If Nick wants to redeem himself, he should try fessing up for being totally wrong on this issue from the get go. But like Appell, I don’t think he has the personal integrity to do so. So he’ll get the slow lane from now on, especially since he pulled that stunt last night on Appell’s blog in comments.
It’s a strange complaint for Stokes to make since Appell is himself monitoring comments right now.
Pokerguy, I must inform you that Appell called Anthony into the ring a long time ago. Not the other way around. It was he that started this whole dance, and in a sneaky way to boot. Anthony merely stood up for himself. His email the result of a lot of building frustration dealing with an obfuscatorial opponent for a long period of time, would be my guess. Mr. Appell fights dirty, or so it appears to me..
“At WUWT we embrace comments from people with opposing views,”
“If Nick wants to redeem himself, he should try fessing up for being totally wrong on this issue from the get go.”
Opposing views are fine, as long as you see it our way.
REPLY: And every one of your comments on this issue, wrong as they are, have been posted, but they do get an extra level of attention now. Is your pride of choosing to believe that death threats were launched by skeptics against climate scientists so important to you that it blinds you to the point of not accepting overwhelming evidence to the contrary? It would seem so. To use your twisted logic, “opposing data are fine, as long as you see it Stokes way”. – Anthony
It’s not your private email… You post it on your own website… All the others are easily found on line too… Stop ballin…
REPLY: OK then, put your full name and private email up in your next comment, so that we can post it in full here as Appell did, or stop whinin….
Pokerguy, I do understand what you are saying. Fight with pigs and you will get dirty, if I’m not mistaken. Cheers,….
PiperPaul… I’ve never laughed so long in a long time! Thanks for the relief !!
Assembly
You are dealing with atoms so forget the concept of guns, bullets, and feet!
David, I think the cliche is ‘sleep with dogs and you get fleas’ LOL.
I heard the Fed Government in Oz is about to cut public service jobs. The ANU has just axed 100 academics for reasons not fully disclosed. Recently the Dept of Climate change, and CSIRO released a paper saying that oceans were warming and we should expect more rain. “OH NO!”
Flannery will be proven wrong again (chuckle). But this mob added that they needed more funding to extend their research, into what I may ask, we all know that evaporation coming from oceans and land based water sources create clouds, plus those sneeky little cosmic rays. Lots of rain, creates more rain. That means clouds and lots of them. If people build on flood plains then it causes great problems for them in the future. But building levies has saved one town from flooding recently when nearby towns got swampted. Didn’t cost all that much really, wouldn’t that be less expensive in the long run that paying billions to these pseudo scientists to produce nothing but humbug. And introduce a carbon tax that will do nothing to change the weather?
Despite what my above comment might imply, I am not a programmer. I work in the world of process plant design. At the moment, I work as a checker – I “reality check” the output of 3D software and the work of designers to help make sure mistakes are found so that things don’t go wrong in the field. In this engineering field, things are pretty good, the software actually works, and only needs the occasional fixing. I am paid by “big oil”.
RE
David Ball says:
@ur momisugly May 3, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Sure makes the prostate exam easier. Being able to describe to the doctor exactly what he is seeing, ….
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Brilliant! Thanks David. I’m still laughing…
I reckon he has mistaken his tonsils for his prostate. Or do you think this unpleasant head-burying behaviour might be a cry for help? Perhaps for him consoling to have a dark, warm membranous texture surrounding his head – like a foetal mimicry kinda thing… But he really should pull his head out of there before sounding-off so much…he’s barely audible.
David at 3 – Yes you are right. Those critics of climate change alarmists have been attacked and called names for challenging uninformed opinion and they think we are pussys who will sit there and roll over. For every action there is a reaction. It reminds me of a domestic abuser I once knew. His wife half his size was the recipient of drunken abuse and physical attacks. When he started one of his tirades, she was washing up and picked up a cast iron frying pan. She threatened him with it and he backed off in a hurry, then went down to pub. The story he told his mates was ‘She tried to murder me with a cast iron frying pan’. The publican one of her friends, replied, ‘If it had been me mate, you wouldn’t be standing here swilling down more beer”. I now wish I had hit the B with it and claimed self defence.
PiperPaul says:
May 3, 2012 at 9:57 pm
My gosh! An honest-to-goodness recipient of cash from Big Oil!
And what do WE get from that? We get gas for the car, that’s what. Thanks, PiperPaul!
(So next time anybody in the CAGW crowd complains about “Big Oil”, remember those that get paid by “Big Oil” are a LOT more useful than ALL the CAGW crowd.)
Political movement that several times have stated that it is what people have been lead to believe that matters, not facts?
OT: Talk about ‘Big Oil’ My garage is the only one left in town delivering and supplying full strength non leaded petrol. The rest are supplying stuff composed of part ethanol. Because my garage was closed I went to a 24 hr one, and only got enough 9 liters to keep me going. It lasted only 38 km! Almost half of the distance I get from full strength petrol or gas as you call it in US. I have a six cylinder Mitsubishi station wagon, that normally does around town – 8 kms per liter. No overdrive though so less on longer and faster drives.
Anthony, hope you don’t mid if I stay on the porch with my banjo on this one as you seem to have it covered nicely.
Do give a shout if more cattle rustlers turn up though.
*Starts singing*
He rode a blazing saddle
He wore a shining star
His job to offer battle to bad men near and far
He conquered fear and he conquered hate
He turned dark night into day
He made his blazing saddle a torch to light the way
When outlaws ruled the west
And fear filled the land
A cry went out for a man with guts to take the west in hand
They needed a man who was brave and true with justice for all as his aim
Then out of the sun rode a man with a gun
And Bart was his name
Yes Bart was his name
He rode a blazing saddle
He wore a shining star
His job to offer battle to bad men near and far
He conquered fear and he conquered hate
He turned dark night into day
He made his blazing saddle a torch to light the way
People shouldn’t underestimate the pressure politically that the alarmists are under in Australia. They have been steadily losing public credibility and support for about two years now. The death threat lie was part of a political campaign to try to turn the tide. Many of us who have opposed the warmiing alarmists politically, who are on the left of Australian politics, have been physically threatened ( I can document this for Stokes et al if they are interested), abused, defamed and generally denigrated. The jig is up. At the next election as I have posted previously the alarmist parties are facing electoral oblivion. The death threat lie was part of a bigger dishonest and devious political campaign to try to win back a steadily eroding public support. They have failed. All we need now is a ballot box and its all over politically for the most dishonest, corrupt and disgraceful political campaign in our country since the racist white australia policy was run many years ago. Just give us a vote.
“Nick Stokes says:
May 3, 2012 at 8:27 pm”
The complete quote is “The Australian Federal Police says it has not been contacted by the university although it is aware that threats have been made.”
How else would the AFP be “aware threats have been made” if the university had not, and as such I assume no other affected staff either, contacted the AFP? I’d say the AFP didnt investigate this at any level as no complaint was made Which we now know to be true). The Canberra Times is part of the FairFax media group, just like the Sydney Morning Herrald and are known to be economical with the truth and accuracy in reporting stories.
I have offered my thoughts to David Appell at his site. These I append below. Whether they pass moderation is another matter. We shall see!
“Unless you do the honourable thing and apologise unreservedly to Anthony Watts, [snip – perhaps the rest does go a tad too far ~ac].”
It astonishes me that somebody can be so wrong, be proven to be so wrong, be told by so many people that they are wrong and yet go on proudly proclaiming how right they are.
“Appell has now published my email to him (which was part of an unsolicited email thread started by Appell) along with the email addresses of people on the cc list.”
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This is the Gleick mentality. Publish names and contact details deliberately creating the opportunity for fools to send stupid messages to them. But as tech savvy readers of WUWT will know, the cagw acolytes of Appell and Gleick (are there people so daft?) should be aware:
http://www.necn.com/07/28/11/Do-you-know-about-your-digital-fingerpri/landing.html?blockID=544286&feedID=4213
https://www.eff.org/