Readers may recall this piece Monckton’s Schenectady showdown in which he schools a number of students despite “en-masse” collections (to use Donald Rodbell’s words) of naysayers. Mr. Rodbell and Erin Delman, pictured below, wrote this essay (which I’ve excerpted below) in their student newspaper The Concordiensis, citing their angst that Monckton was speaking.
A lord’s opinion can’t compete with scientific truth
Erin Delman (left), President of the Environmental Club, debates with Monckton – photo by Charlotte Lehman | Department Chair and Professor of Geology Donald Rodbell (right) asks Lord Christopher Monckton a question at the event on the “other side” of global warming. – photo by Rachel Steiner, Concordiensis
By Donald Rodbell and Erin Delman in Opinions | March 7, 2012
As Earth scientists, we were torn. The College Republicans and the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) were hosting Lord Monckton, a globally recognized climate skeptic, on Mon., March 5, and we were not quite sure how to respond. Frankly, the sentiment vacillated between utter disgust and sheer anger. On one hand, it seemed ludicrous to give Monckton a second of time or thought. On the other, however, dismissing him and allowing his speech without rejection risked that he would have an impact, and a dangerous one at that.
And thus, the college environmentalists – including Environmental Club members, the leaders and members of U-Sustain, concerned citizens, and renowned Earth scientists with PhDs from prestigious research institutions – decided to oppose the presence of Lord Monckton on our campus. We collected en-masse before his presentation to make it unambiguously clear that we would not allow such erroneous discourse to go unnoticed.
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Lord Monckton does not stand alone in his beliefs on this issue; however, 97 percent of scientists overwhelmingly oppose his viewpoint. He kept asserting that this debate must follow a rigorous, science-based approach, and that the consensus of experts is, by itself, an insufficient basis on which to decide the veracity of the evidence for significant human-induced global warming.
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Serious scientific debate cannot be carried out in the blogosphere, nor in highly charged and politically motivated presentations either by Lord Monckton or by Al Gore. The fact of the matter is that science has spoken, the overwhelming bulk of the evidence has shown very, very clearly that global warming is occurring and is at least mostly caused by humans. While scientific consensus can be wrong, it most often is not.
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Sigh, there’s that ridiculous 97% figure again. You’d think these “educated” people would bother to check such things before mindlessly regurgitating them and making themselves look like sycophants. And then there’s this: “Serious scientific debate cannot be carried out in the blogosphere…” well, then, PLEASE tell that to the RealClimate team so they stop trying to do that on the taxpayers dime.
It seems Erin Delman is training to be a professional enviro-legal troublemaker…
She is interested in pursuing a joint Ph.D. and law degree in geology and environmental law and is considering a career in environmental policy, particularly involving water rights.
…so I suppose I’m not surprised at this article. With that California background and water rights bent, I predict she’ll be joining the Pacific Institute to supplement Gleick’s mission.
Full article here: A lord’s opinion can’t compete with scientific truth
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Monckton responds in comments to that article
Monckton of Brenchley March 16, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
Oh, come off it, Professor!
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
Professor Donald Rodbell’s personal attack on me in Concordiensis (“A Lord’s Opinion Can’t Compete with Scientific Truth”) deserves an answer. The Professor does not seem to be too keen on freedom of speech: on learning that I was to address students at Union College, he said that he “vacillated between utter disgust and sheer anger”. My oh my!
The Professor should be reminded of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States: “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech”. I exercised freedom of speech at Union College. The Professor may disagree with what I said (though his article is lamentably unspecific about what points in my lecture – if any – he disagreed with); but, under the Constitution, he may not deny or abridge my right to say it.
He and his fellow climate extremists ought not, therefore, to have talked of “opposing the presence of Lord Monckton”: for that would be to abridge my freedom of speech. It would have been fair enough for the Professor to talk of opposing my arguments – yet that, curiously, is what his rant in Concordiensis entirely fails to do.
The Professor says it is certain that “the world is warming, climatic patterns are changing, and humans are a driving force”. Let us look at these three statements in turn.
– The world is not warming at present. It has not been warming for almost a decade and a half, though it has been warming since 1695. In the 40 years to 1735, before the Industrial Revolution even began, the temperature in Central England (not a bad proxy for global temperatures) rose by 4 Fahrenheit degrees, compared with just 1 F° in the whole of the 20th century.
– Climatic patterns are indeed changing. But they have been changing for 4,567 million years, and they will go on changing long into the future. However, the fact of climate change does not tell us the cause of climate change.
– Humans are indeed exercising some influence. Indeed, though the Professor implies otherwise, I stated explicitly in my lecture that the IPCC might be right in saying that more than half of the warming since 1950 was caused by us. However, that tells us little about how much warming we may expect in future. My best estimate is that the CO2 we add to the atmosphere this century will cause around 1 C° of warming by 2100. But that is not far short of the IPCC’s own central estimate of 1.5 C°.
Next, the Professor asserts, without any evidence, that “97% of scientists overwhelmingly oppose [Monckton’s] viewpoint”. Overlooking the tautology (the word “overwhelmingly” should have been omitted), as far as I am aware there has been no survey of scientists or of public opinion generally to determine how many oppose my viewpoint. I am aware of two surveys in which 97% of scientists asserted that the world had warmed in the past 60 years: but, in that respect, they agree with my viewpoint. No survey has found 97% of scientists agreeing with the far more extreme proposition that unchecked emissions of CO2 will be very likely to cause dangerous global warming. And, even if there had been such a survey, the notion that science is done by head-counting in this way is the shop-worn logical fallacy of the argumentum ad populum – the headcount fallacy. That fallacy was first described by Aristotle 2300 years ago, and it is depressing to see a Professor trotting it out today.
Science is not done by headcount among scientists. It is done by measurement, observation, and experiment, and by the application of established theory to the results. Until Einstein, 100% of scientists thought that time and space were invariant. They were all wrong. So much for consensus.
Next, the Professor says I made “numerous inaccuracies and mis-statements”. Yet he does not mention a single one in his article, which really amounts to mere hand-waving. He then asserts that I have “no interest whatsoever in pursuing a truly scientific approach”. Those who were present, however, will be aware that I presented large quantities of data and analysis demonstrating that the principal conclusions of each of the four IPCC climate assessments are defective; that the warming to be expected from a doubling of CO2 is 1 C°; and that, even if 21st-century warming were 3 C°, it would still be 10-100 times cheaper and more cost-effective to do nothing now and adapt in a focused way later than to try to stop the warming by controlling CO2.
The Professor goes on to say that “the fundamental building block of all science is peer-reviewed publications”. No: rigorous thought is the cornerstone of science. That is what is lacking in the IPCC’s approach. All of its principal conclusions are based on modeling. However, not one of the models upon which it relies has been peer-reviewed. Nor is any of the IPCC’s documents peer-reviewed in the accepted sense. There are reviewers, but the authors are allowed to override them, and that is not peer review at all. That is how the IPCC’s deliberate error about the alleged disappearance of all Himalayan glaciers by 2035 was not corrected. Worse, almost one-third of all references cited in the IPCC’s 2007 Fourth Assessment Report were not peer-reviewed either. They were written by environmental campaigners, journalists and even students. That is not good enough.
Next, the Professor says that, in not publishing my own analysis of “global warming” in a reviewed journal, I am “fundamentally non-scientific”. Yet he does not take Al Gore to task for never having had anything published in a reviewed journal. Why this disfiguring double standard? The most important thing, surely, is to shut down the IPCC, whose approach – on the Professor’s own peer-review test – is “fundamentally non-scientific”.
The Professor goes on to say, “It is impossible to scrutinize [Monckton’s] methods, calculations, and conclusions without a complete and detailed peer-reviewed publication that presents the important details.” On the contrary: my slides are publicly available, and they show precisely how I reached my conclusions, with numerous references to the peer-reviewed literature and to the (non-peer-reviewed) IPCC assessment reports.
Next, the Professor says that “rather substantial errors” were pointed out to me at Union College. Yet in every case I was able to answer the points raised: and, here as elsewhere, the Professor is careful not to be specific about what “errors” I am thought to have made. I pointed out some very serious errors in the documents of the IPCC: why does the Professor look the other way when confronted with these “official” errors? Once again, a double standard seems to be at work.
The Professor ends by saying that “science has spoken” and that, “while scientific consensus can be wrong, it most often is not”. Well, the eugenics consensus of the 1920s, to the effect that breeding humans like racehorses would improve the stock, was near-universally held among scientists, but it was wrong, and it led directly to the dismal rail-yards of Oswiecim and Treblinka. The Lysenko consensus of the 1940s and 1950s, to the effect that soaking seed-corn in water over the winter would help it to germinate, wrecked 20 successive Soviet harvests and killed 20 million of the proletariat. The ban-DDT consensus of the 1960s has led to 40 million malaria deaths in children (and counting), 1.25 million of them lasts year alone. The don’t-stop-AIDS consensus of the 1980s has killed 33 million, with another 33 million infected and waiting to die.
The climate “consensus” is also killing millions by diverting billions of dollars from helping the poor to enriching governments, bureaucrats, bankers, landowners, windfarm scamsters, and environmentalist racketeers, and by denying to the Third World the fossil-fueled electricity it so desperately needs. It is time to stop the killing. If arguing for a more rational and scientifically-based policy will bring the slaughter of our fellow citizens of this planet to an end, then I shall continue to argue for it, whether the Professor likes it or not.
He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.
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The Professor ends by saying that “science has spoken”
So did the Wizard of Oz and the Ministry of Truth in 1984.
I m reminded of Samuel Clements comment, “Whenever I find myself in agreement with the majority, I find it is time to pause and reflect.”
I am great admirer of his lordship, but was a bit surprised that he would associate himself too closely with the Dr. Scafetta’s ideas, at least until there is some solid evidence that what Scafetta is proposed is based on the solid science. This association could be misused to undermine his up to date excellent scientific credibility.
Hugh Pepper says:
March 17, 2012 at 1:50 pm
“SCience is not a consequence of “unadulterated logic”, as David Allen Booth maintains. SCience is all about empirical research, expressed reasonably , and even logically. Logic is a word which fits philosophy, a discipline which actually reflects Mr Monckton’s training.”
What drug are you on? The very principle of causality is a LOGICAL expression: if A, then follows B; you can draw the truth table for that; you can build a boolean LOGIC circuit for it.
If you were not a disingenious dolt I would recommend to you the Tractatus Logicus Philosophicus by Wittgenstein but I doubt you would even understand the structure of that book.
Mr. Monkton has become passe’ his arguements have all been refuted…
He unfortunately reminds me of the barkers who worked the crowd at circus’s a grifter of the highest order.
REPLY: And you Mr. Puca, remind me of delinquent teenager. When will you ever contribute anything of value here beyond drive-by snark and hate? – Anthony
Michael Palmer says:
March 17, 2012 at 1:07 pm
“Eugenics may or may not work – the fact of the matter is that it has not been tried (and I’m not suggesting that it should). The extermination campaigns of the Nazis may have been influenced by, but certainly are not the same as a planned breeding program; nor can it be assumed that most people who would support planned breeding would support murder. ”
Wrong on all counts. You should google Lebensborn.
Viscount Monckton starts his presentations and debates by stating unequivically for the audience to NOT believe him. Monckton provides references to support his arguments on each point and invites the audience to check them for themselves. I have checked most all of them for every video presentation I have seen of the Viscount Monckton.
I would like to equally make the same qualitative check against his arguments, but quite inexplicably, for a supposedly educated man, he fails to provide ANY references whatsoever to back up his arguments. Even worse, It appears to me that the professor did not even attend and witness the event upon which he casts his unsupportable accusations.
Would we trust a film critic who did not even watch the films he was critiquing? Or would we think him a fool or a fraud?
Such a woefully inadequate critique of Viscount Monckton is not only arrogant and insulting, but utterly devoid of fact, evidence or reason. If this is the standard of the Professor’s science, “I believe the following hypothesis, because someone else said so. or I disagree with another hypothesis based upon nothing more than fashionable hearsay” then he is not fit to teach kindergarten children, let alone University students.
So which of the two should I believe?
The Viscount who provides references, which I have independently checked and and found to be largely correct. Or the Professor who has written nothing more than a hearsay filled rant, devoid of facts or reason?
The Professor failed to use one single substantive, referenced, checkable, evidence-based fact at all to support his own arguments as his “hatchet job” was filled with third-hand hearsay. He should indeed be ashamed of himself.
Paul Coppin says:
March 17, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Besides farmers and agronomists, what’s an “earth scientist”? (other then the obvious allusion to people who like to fling mud around….)
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Rather obvious that he is someone who could not make the grade as a full geologist and had to settle for the lesser degree. (Appologies to other Earth Scientists)
Here is the definition (It is a general degree while geology is a specialization) http://geology.com/articles/what-is-earth-science.shtml
I can readily understand why Dr. Rodbell become “disgusted and angry” at the prospect of Lord Monckton speaking at HIS college. Rodbell is a geologist who earned a Ph.D. in 1991 (right when the AGW gravy train was leaving the station). He worked for the USGS as a “research geologist” for about a year and then did a fellowship in Ohio for about a year. He has been at Union College since 1994. In his mind this is own personal fiefdom. He’s a big fish in a small pond. Only HE decides what the science is. Only HE sets the agenda and defines the narrative. HE decides what students are exposed to what they should “learn” (i.e. indoctrination). Someone like Lord Monckton could easily spit in his Wheaties!
I can only imagine how grim it must be to be one his students. If you don’t agree with and able to regurgitate his dogma, you are not likely to pass. These kids with exit college hopelessly brainwashed.
..utter disgust and sheer anger…
I guess that article could be subtitled ‘Fear and Loathing in Schenectady’!
Hugh Pepper says:
March 17, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Dr. Pepper, I presume?
Surely you’ll be happy to summarize exactly WHY the good Lord ‘has no credibility regarding science’, as well as the ‘already debunked’ details you vaguely refer to.
Instead of just taking your word for it.
(And — thanks in advance — try not to bespittle our displays.)
Robin Hewitt says (March 17, 2012 at 12:35 pm): “See the top Comment on that piece in Concordiensis, Earth Scientist Dr Norman Page tears them to shreds.”
Thanks, Robin. I wasn’t going to bother reading the article, but Dr. Page’s response made it well worthwhile. I recommend that WUWT readers browse the comments to the Delman & Rodbell article.
Well done Mr. Monckton, you are a hero to all of us skeptics. Looks like the same old agenda driven BS being portrayed by the warmingistas. its hysterical that they keep putting out the same old lies over and over again, but i guess in their upside down world, if they tell you the same lies over and over again, it somehow makes them more truthful. Would be great to see a televised debate with Bastardi and Monckton vs Mann and Al gore though, how epic that would be!! i can just see the fire coming straight out of Gore’s mouth!!
“A lord’s opinion can’t compete with scientific truth.”
What about a patent clerk’s?
How come these people always get cranky when confronted with scientific facts?
I love the “97% of scientists” schtick. When will they start saying ‘97% of the 79 scientists that responded’?
Any day now, any day…….
Lord Monckton of Brenchley
In the 40 years to 1735, before the Industrial Revolution even began, the temperature in Central England (not a bad proxy for global temperatures) rose by 4 Fahrenheit degrees, compared with just 1 F° in the whole of the 20th century.
Illustration of the above statements:
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CET1690-1960.htm
“On the other, however, dismissing him and allowing his speech without rejection risked that he would have an impact, and a dangerous one at that.”
Yeah, the impact of truth can be dangerous to CAGW supporters can’t it?
Michael Palmer says: “The Lysenko “consensus” was enforced and upheld by one of the most cruel and ruthless dictatorships the world has known. This cannot be compared to a consensus that forms in a free society.”
Your ignorance of logical argument is profound. This fallacy is known as “a Red herring.” It ignores the fact that claims of consensus are a lie in the first place. Are good democratic lies somehow more noble than socialist lies? Besides, your statement is incorrect and should have read: “The Lysenko “consensus” was enforced and upheld by one of the most cruel and ruthless dictatorships the world has known up until now.“
…[we] decided to oppose the presence of Lord Monckton on our campus.
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Pesky old Freedom of Speech. But hey – if obama is re-elected, that will go away.
This may seem pedantic but Monckton is one of the few who seem to understand the difference between ºC and Cº. (Or Fº and ºF for that matter.)
The first is an actual temperature. For example, 1ºC is the temperature which is 1Cº above 0ºC. The second is not an actual temperature; it is a division on the Celsius scale.
So you cannot have a temperature increase of 1ºC, but, as Monckton says, you can have an increase of 1Cº.
This was drummed in to me at school many years ago.
Sorry, but I consider this sloppy, and symptomatic of post-modern science.
/rant
@Michael Palmer, I got the impression that Monckton was using them as examples of “consensus” to highlight that the climate change consensus is just as valid, or invalid in this case. In other words using the term conensus means nothing and the examples given show that.
Hugh Pepper says (March 17, 2012 at 12:56 pm): “Mr Monckton has no credibility as a critic of science.”
Thank you for visiting WUWT, Ms. Delman. I wish you success in your budding career as the poster child for vacuous CAGW dogma.
Josh, I think we have a winner!
REPLY: Actually Hugh Pepper is a well known troll here who’s trademark is snark. That’s not Delman – Anthony
The shallow, trite, and factless response by this professor demonstrates he has no response other than his delusional politics.
You can’t have a serious scientific debate if your hypothesis (fossil CO2 will lead to catastrophes, even if the catastrophes are mutually exclusive) is unfalsifiable.
The first comment on the article is a cracker. Followed by more crackers. Excellent rebuttals. 😉
The naivety of these young ones would be understandable due to their ages but they are studying science I presumed.