Bishop Hill writes (and I’ve reposted in entirety with apologies in advance):
Rep Edward Markey of Massachusetts has written to Heartland asking for them to document the inaccuracies in the Fakegate documents and asking for originals.
In a letter to Heartland Institute President Joseph Bast, Markey asked the group for an explanation of any inaccuracies in the leaked documents as well as accurate versions of those documents.
“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.
If I recall correctly, Heartland’s climate change activities were not actually corporate funded at all. What an extraordinary error to make.
I think it is probably worth Heartland documenting what is wrong in the fake document, since this is in the public realm. As to the real one, I suggest they tell him to mind his own business. Private matters should remain private.
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As per Bish’s second suggestion, Heartland isn’t even in Markey’s (D-Mass.) district. I’d tell him (in Brit parlance) to “bugger off”.
The first comment at The Hill from Ed Loftus rather says it all:
As others have pointed out, the Pro-AGW teaching, heavily promoted and subsidized by both government and private sources with financial and political intersts in promoting this theory dwarf the significance of this effort.
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Markey should be asking Pacific Institute for any documents related to the Heartland institute
Speaking of inaccuracies… from Markey and Waxman:
“At the same time, the evidence will be clearer than ever that urgent action is needed to protect our nation and the world from irreversible climate change. The overwhelming scientific consensus will have grown even stronger. And if 2011 is a harbinger of our future, record-breaking droughts and storms will have again afflicted our nation — at immense cost in lives and property damage..
No other policy would do as much for our economy, our security and our future as putting a price on carbon.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/carbon-emission-policy-could-slash-debt-improve-environment/2012/02/13/gIQAQ0LZWR_story.html
Yes, the Two Stooges are still trying to flog their scam.
Markey makes no mention of the fact that the documents were stolen by Gleick. He needs to be told to get in line and let the FBI do their job and stop trying to politically interfere in the investigation of a serious crime.
Alice in Wonderland, meet Nineteen-Eighty-Four. 1984, meet AiW.
Best reply asking for Markey’s active support in getting the real, admitted crimes prosecuted instead of trying to divert attention to faked ones about undermining well-established politics.
Dr. Richard Muller is giving a talk at Berkeley City College on March 1
at 6:30 PM. College auditorium, 2050 Center Street, downtown Berkeley.
Maybe a chance for some Q&A about Fakegate?
Talk title “Energy and Climate: Surprising Things You Need to Know.”
Indeed.
To Senator Markey
Sir,
Thank you for your letter concerning the recent disclosure on the internet of confidential internal Heartland Institute documents together with a fake document. Our lawyers tell us that your letter, implying as it does a suspicion of malfeasance on our part, and having been made public, will provide clear evidence in any future court case of the damage done to our reputation by the criminal act of Dr. Peter Gleick and of the forger of the fake document.
Our stance on the subject of climate change is well documented on our website in the essay, “Global Warming: Not a Crisis” and in the very extensive report, “Climate Change Reconsidered”. These can be downloaded free of charge. You will be able to form your own judgement as to whether we seek to undermine the IPCC, or simply present scientific evidence which supports our stance.
Those donors supporting our climate change stance with funding do so because they agree with our arguments. That is all you need to know about our donors. Whether they are corporate or individual or in any particular industry is irrelevant because we cannot deliver anything tangible to them. We cannot, for example, introduce legislation favourable to our donors in the way that a Senator could.
We will shortly be commencing a programme of producing education modules on climate change for use in schools. The objective is to present a more balanced picture to students than the current one-sided approach. We would be happy to provide you with complimentary copies of the modules as they are produced, subject to your respecting the terms of our copyright which include prohibiting unauthorised copying or distribution. We cannot, of course, force schools to make use of this material. They will only do so if they see merit in teaching students how to assess the competing scientific ideas.
The Heartland Institute is not a public body and we will not be providing you with copies of confidential internal documents. Nor will we take part in an exercise to create a new document which we would not otherwise produce merely to mirror the fake document without the egregious content. However, the above should be quite sufficient to assure you that our activities are legitimate within a free country and not nefarious in any way.
Now, go forth and multiply !
Up Yours sincerely,
Me
Markeys letter to a victim of a robbery!
Why did you carry your wallet? Do you have anything left I can steal from you? Hands up!
What a moron!
My god, this Gleick incident is a real honey pot for catching the loonies. Like manna from heaven!
old44 says at 3:53 pm
“ two letters too many and doesn’t rhyme with “duck” “
If brevity is an important consideration then ‘sod off’ would be a both more accurate and shorter translation.
I’m with some others here, keep him talking.
Alan Watt says:
February 24, 2012 at 4:14 pm
David L says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Can we all just take the money argument off the table? The only folks not receiving a dime are the multitude of people that post comments to blogs.
I don’t know about you, but I get paid per word by the Koch brothers.
/sarc, in case you needed it.
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Me too.
A physicist
February 24, 2012 at 3:47 pm
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WOW, what universe do you live in? If you were a character in 1984, the book would have been dismissed as over the top, yet here you are.
REPLY: Yeah, he’s off the scale, I’ve snipped/admonished him that this sort of trolling is inappropriate – Anthony
Someone find a chicken which doesn’t need its feathers any more. Another, find and heat up a pot of tar .. you know, the stuff with which roads are paved, but without the gravel. And mind the temperature, that stuff catches fire at a low temp, so nothing above about 200 degrees F. See if the old Penn RR Company has any spare rail sections laying about that they don’t plan to use. Something in about 110-pound category; don’t want to strain my back when we tar and feather this donkey and ride him out of town on a rail. I think that would be appropriate, considering that some of the ancestors of members of his Congressional District once treated the would-be tyrants who immediately preceeded the American Revolution that way. Traditional, you know.
Letter to Markey – 2nd draft
Replace “Senator” by “Rep” at head of letter and by “Member of the House of Representatives” lower down.
Sorry guys, too busy telling this bozo where to stuff his investigation !
Elftone says:
February 24, 2012 at 2:52 pm
“Markey is going to look stupid when…”
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Too late…
“I think it is probably worth Heartland documenting what is wrong in the fake document, since this is in the public realm.”
I disagree. I think this is not a good strategy. If the document is fake, the last thing you want to do is give credence to it by trying to defend yourself against details within it. If someone posts a fake document stating your links to neo-nazi of islamist terrorist groups, you would never try and rebut the details – you would just say its a fake. Same strategy here.
[SNIP: You can post comments snipped at WUWT anywhere you like. They are still inflammatory and off-topic and still snipped. Do not abuse the toleration Anthony has shown to you. -REP]
Markey’s letter is grandstanding, nothing more. If you get a letter like that from a congressman in the majority sitting on a committee with jurisdiction over the activity you are engaged in, it is best not to ignore it. If the member is serious, and has enough colleagues to support him, ignoring the letter can result in a subpoena from the congressional committee, which is a whole different matter. Then you get frog marched in front of the committee with MSM cameras catching every long winded Democrat speech masquerading as a question.
But Markey is in the minority, his letter has no force of law, and there is zero chance a committee of the Republican controlled House would issue a subpoena to Heartland to support his pathetic fishing expedition. Maybe Markey forgot the 2010 election.
Heartland should just ignore him.
Heartland! Don’t do it! Talk with your counsel before replying at all to him or any other public requests.
Then when the lawyers tell you can reply, ask the barky malarky b_stard how many different versions of an accurate fake strategy letter did he require.
Seriously, it may not be too hard to identify Gleick’s inaccuracies in his fake strategy paper; but how you’re going to be able to train malarky to recognize an accurate fake strategy letter, I don’t know.
bring it, markey. give us a chance to tell our story in front of everyone. what an opportunity
Phil R says:
February 24, 2012 at 4:13 pm
James Sexton says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm
LMAO!!!! Go Heartland!!! Yet another lunatic lefty to make look ridiculous!
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Too bad it’s not Biden. Something incredibly stupid would be a given.
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Lol, right, but Markey’s not too much north of Biden. I think Alan Watt @ur momisugly February 24, 2012 at 4:11 pm stated it as well.
Markey is trying to interject himself into something he’s ill prepared for. Let him. Invite him in a way he thinks he might do some damage and be a star………he’ll end up like Biden….. babbling incoherent tripe. People will point and laugh all across the country.
The wiki page on this Goklany guy refers to a standards of ethics CFR (http://www.oge.gov/Laws-and-Regulations/OGE-Regulations/5-C-F-R–Part-2635—Standards-of-ethical-conduct-for-employees-of-the-executive-branch/) that has got to create tremendous questions on the conduct of such activists as Mann, et al. and their activities to a much greater extent.
A physicist says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:47 pm
[snip – this is ridiculous, accusatory, and inflammatory, and you don’t have a clue about private business, since you work for a University, I suggest you not comment further – Anthony]
Sorry Anthony, I think you should have let the comment stand, made your comment and let the hounds loose. (Unless of course it was totally diversionary.)
DaveE.
REPLY: it was totally diversionary. It was on a law tangent nobody has mentioned, nor even should consider. “A physicist” has a habit of thread bombing with junk like this to distract the main conversation to argue in his viewpoint, and I’m about to give him a permanent time out. – Anthony
JJ says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm
“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.
If I were Heartland, I would send a subpoena to Malarkey, demanding that he provide any and all copies of alleged Heartland documents in his posession. And I would demand that DOJ send Malarkey an order not to destroy any emails or other materials in his posession relating to “climate change”.
Then put out a press release: Given that none of the documents alleged to be from Heartland and thus far released show any large corporate donations for global warming, Malarkey clearly has access to additonal fabricated materials, and his ties to the criminals should be investigated.
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Yeah, subpoena him….That will ensure that this gets MAINSTREAM MEDIA exposure.
I’d extend the request for emails relating to Climate Change and Funding. (any funding)….. See what skeletons Markey has lying around himself…. Wherever there is distrubution of money, mischief can be made from any small mystery….;-)
[SNIP: OK, it’s funny but it is not true. Let’s not do this. -REP]