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u.k.(us)
February 19, 2012 2:23 pm

Steve from Rockwood says:
February 19, 2012 at 1:52 pm
I had no problem. Maybe check your spam filter.
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I don’t think I have a spam filter.
I’m (a dinosaur) running “outlook express provided by Comcast”.
Maybe my security settings are too high?, I rarely get spam.
My vote went thru last year, and as far as I know, my settings are the same.
[Reply: Please email them and explain the problem. ~dbs, mod.]

February 19, 2012 2:26 pm

It is worth following Gowers’s Weblog and the minor revolution he has started in scientific publishing. Its ramifications reach well beyond Elsevier and concern the entire scientific publishing system.
As far as I can see no “climate scientist” has joined in so far, they seem to be perfectly satisfied with the current paywalled/pal-reviewed setup.
However, we clearly need a reform, and it is getting urgent indeed. Results of publicly financed research should remain publicly accessible all the time. In fact we do not really need “publishers” any more, just some public repositories, preferably with proper revision control and easy anytime public backup (like github). The role of former publishers should be restricted to quality control, provided as a service, presumably for a subscription fee (or even free of charge if it was a community effort or was financed on taxpayer’s money). Repositories should support filtering according to evaluation lists and backlinks to them. That’s it.
Former journals would shrink to URL lists with a quality score assigned to each item and, of course, these evaluation lists themselves were also subject to evaluation.

Don Penman
February 19, 2012 2:26 pm

I did not get the email to confirm my vote on the weblog awards, I gave up in the end.
[Reply: They will answer your email. Please email them and explain the problem. ~dbs, mod.]

Marlow Metcalf
February 19, 2012 2:33 pm

In the category of “If I think of it then somebody has already built it”.
After watching a video of home well water catching fire it occurred to me that the well needs to be vented. Methane buildup has been happening before fracking.
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/wells/waterquality/methane.html
“VENTING
Minnesota rules require new wells to have a vented cap or cover. The well vent prevents a vacuum, and helps to release gases such as methane or hydrogen sulfide. However, older wells may not be vented. A variety of well caps are available that have a built-in vent on the underside of the cap. Separate down-turned vents are also available. It is important to install these caps and vents to properly vent the well, and to prevent flood water, contaminants, or insects and small animals from entering the well. Water storage tanks and water treatment tanks should also be vented. Vents should extend outside, above the ground surface, and away from any building.
METHANE REMOVAL AND TREATMENT
Methane will not be removed by common water treatment devices such as sediment filters, water softeners, or carbon filters. Most removal or treatment techniques involve aeration. A gas shroud, attached to a submersible pump in the well, may provide relief in some circumstances. Fittings that drain back or aerate water into the well have been used, but are not particularly effective, and may cause other problems such as well corrosion or plugging.
AERATION
Aeration is the process of mixing air into water and venting the gas to the outside atmosphere. Aeration can remove methane, as well as other gasses such as hydrogen sulfide (rotten egg smell)…….”

February 19, 2012 2:33 pm

TP, land and vegetation distribution cause most of the seasonality (probably ocean circulation patterns too).
Yes, looking at correlation of absolute temp and log CO2 might tell us a lot.

Kev-in-UK
February 19, 2012 2:34 pm

Genghis says:
February 19, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Just thinkiong of your experiment there, for a minute – couldn’t the tinfoil act as a supposed GHG?, especially if not in direct thermal contact with the metal bar. i.e. with a bit of an air gap – it may reflect 50% of the incoming radiation – but also it will reflect 50% of the outgoing radiation from the bar back (assuming it has equal reflectivity on both sides of the foil!). If so, would that mean that equilibrium temp is identical for both bars?

February 19, 2012 3:03 pm

Hey Smokey I need your graphical expertise can you link the graph showing that we are at near record lows for Co2 geologically speaking?

Kev-in-UK
February 19, 2012 3:11 pm

PaulID says:
February 19, 2012 at 3:03 pm
try this
http://www.biocab.org/Geological_Timescale.jpg

February 19, 2012 3:12 pm

PaulID,
I suppose you mean this one.

u.k.(us)
February 19, 2012 3:14 pm

[Reply: Please email them and explain the problem. ~dbs, mod.]
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Done.
Updates will be added if needed.
I’m not holding my breath 🙂

February 19, 2012 3:16 pm

yes I do smokey and Kiv-in-UK you two are the graphical gods and thank you so much.

February 19, 2012 3:17 pm

sorry Kev-in-UK just washed my hands and I can’t do a thing with em.

Genghis
February 19, 2012 3:38 pm

Kev-in-UK, Yes both bars have exactly same equilibrium. The only difference due to albedo, insulation and the implied GHG effect is the time it takes to reach equilibrium.

DirkH
February 19, 2012 3:43 pm

Volker Doormann says:
February 19, 2012 at 2:20 pm
““How can 30% of nickel in Rossi’s reactor be transmuted into copper?”
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473

More about the Widom-Larsen theory:
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Widom-Larsen.php

February 19, 2012 4:14 pm

I would make two points for this week’s Open Thread …..
[SNIP: This is already posted. You’ve tried to post it two or three additional times. That is called “thread-bombing”. Please review the site policy and refrain from this. -REP]

Craig Moore
February 19, 2012 4:43 pm

Has anyone seen that disease is the new climate change: http://www.independent.com/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/experts-fear-diseases-impossible-to-treat-7216662.html

Britain is facing a “massive” rise in antibiotic-resistant blood poisoning caused by the bacterium E.coli – bringing closer the spectre of diseases that are impossible to treat.
Experts say the growth of antibiotic resistance now poses as great a threat to global health as the emergence of new diseases such as Aids and pandemic flu.
Professor Peter Hawkey, a clinical microbiologist and chair of the Government’s antibiotic-resistance working group, said that antibiotic resistance had become medicine’s equivalent of climate change.

Steve from Rockwood
February 19, 2012 4:56 pm

u.k.(us) says:
February 19, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Steve from Rockwood says:
February 19, 2012 at 1:52 pm
I had no problem. Maybe check your spam filter.
==========================
I don’t think I have a spam filter.
I’m (a dinosaur) running “outlook express provided by Comcast”.
Maybe my security settings are too high?, I rarely get spam.
My vote went thru last year, and as far as I know, my settings are the same.
[Reply: Please email them and explain the problem. ~dbs, mod.]
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Seems as though Outlook Express has no spam filter. So the email response isn’t getting past your ISP, “Comcast”.
A way around this is to create a temporary email account on hotmail or gmail etc, then use that email to get your response. You can check these email accounts from your web-browser.
Cheers

February 19, 2012 5:21 pm

Eric (skeptic) says: February 19, 2012 at 9:27 am
I would like Doug Cotton (or anyone else) to provide an alternative explanation to why radiational cooling is more effective when there are no clouds
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It is well known that the moist adiabatic lapse rate in the atmosphere is less that the dry one. Clearly there can be more water vapour when there are clouds. So the atmosphere cools more slowly. This is basic physics.
However, it does not in general affect the rate of cooling of the surface.
The atmosphere is usually cooler than the surface at night and is also cooling faster even when relative humidity is high. So there is no feedback mechanism which adds thermal energy back into the surface in order to slow its rate of cooling. Any such mechanism would violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If you think it happens, then you explain how and why, and produce some evidence that is not a circular argument based on the greenhouse conjecture.
Even if radiation from the surface is reduced because the temperature of the first millimetre of the air is closer to that of the surface, this can be compensated for by the rate of thermal energy transfer by diffusion and evaporation etc. This “balancing act” happens all day long. Hence you cannot say that, just because the power of radiation leaving the surface is diminished that the whole net rate of cooling of the surface is reduced. It isn’t because no thermal energy can be transferred from a cooler atmosphere to a warmer surface.
In any event, this is weather not climate. On a worldwide 24/7 basis relative humidity tends to average out and has in fact been slightly declining this century as was advised in a recent WUWT article.
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John Greenfraud
February 19, 2012 5:23 pm

A question asked of Gavin Schmidt and his (partial) response. From http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/
[Question: In the letter, you say you want “an honest, fact-based debate about the policy responses to climate change.”
Since you (and by you I mean most the “signers” of this open letter) were invited to the climate
conferences sponsored by Heartland, and chose not to attend, does this mean that you all are now ready to engage in the Heartland climate conferences to debate the “deniers” and the “anti-climate” and “anti-science” people?]
[Response: If Heartland was actually interested in debating policy options I wouldn’t have any problem with them, and I would encourage others with ideas about policy to engage with them to their heart’s content……]
Notice the question was about debating climate science. He then responds he would debate ‘policy issues’, desperately trying to avoid the appearance that he is unwilling to debate AGW.
The way I see it, If someone wants to debate “policy options”, they go to a politician. If someone wants to debate AGW, they go to the scientists that are promoting it. That’s you Mr. Schmidt!
Schmidt must realize that given the amounts of taxpayer money that has been spent on this fraud, that the public is going to insist(demand) that he comes clean. Is it to much to ask that these climate scientists publicly defend and debate their work, openly and honestly? I think not. The political winds change quickly my friends, Schmidt can voluntarily answer questions now or he can do so under court order later, but the American public will have their answers, one way or the other.

jorgekafkazar
February 19, 2012 5:27 pm

LearDog says: “THIS story is hysterical.! Have at it!
http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_19984502
Clearly ‘Hate Crimes’”
Why is this hysterical? Is decimation of sea otters by sharks intrinsically funny?

Steve from Rockwood
February 19, 2012 5:35 pm

If all the coal in the world was burned the global temperature would go up 15-degrees.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/coal-the-true-climate-change-bad-guy-analysis-shows/article2343528/
It’s worse than we thought.

February 19, 2012 5:41 pm

Doug Cotton says:
February 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I would make two points for this week’s Open Thread …..
[SNIP: This is already posted

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I’m truly sorry, but at first I had a technical problem and the post did not appear, and then I do think you will find that you snipped it on the “snow” thread which is understandable, I guess, even though the title of that thread referred to no effect of CO2.
I have felt obliged to respond to Eric (Skeptic) and William Connelly who have each been thread bombing with fairly similar posts on various threads, but I will try to keep to Friday open threads in future.
But if you can find this post actually accepted anywhere, or if you can recover it if not, I’d appreciate it being transferred to this thread as it made a new point regarding the thermal “momentum” of core and mantle thermal energy.

jorgekafkazar
February 19, 2012 5:42 pm

paulhan says: “Can anyone help me with this. Per wiki, the total amount of energy generated by humans from oil, gas, coal, nuclear and biomass is ~125,000TWH per year.”
Which wiki do you mean? There are dozens of the things. If you mean Wankerpedia, say so.

edbarbar
February 19, 2012 5:45 pm

We need a cartoon from Josh for the ridiculous stance of Governor Jerry Brown in CA, who has demanded 30% of energy come from renewable sources. I was thinking a Junipero Serra Governor Brown whipping Californians to prostrate themselves before his Big Green God (preferably with a huge green pot brimming with $ nearby that says “Donations Not Voluntary.”)

Myrrh
February 19, 2012 5:47 pm

Nerd says:
February 19, 2012 at 11:22 am
Dirk,
High fructose syrup in high amount can give you fatty liver disease! Essentially, no different than drinking alcoholic beverages in large quantity. Yikes. Anyway, if you want to lose weight, get diabetes and heart disease under control, get glucose meter and test your blood 30-60 minutes after you eat something. If your blood sugar level goes above 120, ditch the food and try something else. Paleo Diet is a great one and not only that it was proven by multiple trial studies. Wheat Belly Diet is a pretty good complementary to that diet as it helps you understand why and how you get heart disease in the first place. High fructose isn’t the only carbohydrate source to worry about. Wheat/corn flour based products (pasta, bread, etc) are everywhere as well.
Widespread vitamin D deficiency is a huge concern that nobody seemed to be aware of. No thanks to CDC, it got swept under the rug. http://www.naturalnews.com/032202_vitamin_D_deficiency_disease.html To help you understand how important Vitamin D is for our health – (Note: it is not really a vitamin but a prohormone that get converted to powerful steroid hormone that acts as DNA repair and maintenance) – http://www.biochemj.org/bj/441/0061/bj4410061.htm
Once again, we get screwed by gov’t… Oh yeah, American Cancer Society recently tried to discredit vitamin D and telling us to stick to federal guideline. Right… you want us to get cancer so you get to charge high amount while I suffer miserably undergoing chemotherapy. How nice of you…
Once again, it’s all about money.
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I’ve just posted on this, but from a different angle – that the UV scaremongering has created a vitamin D deficiency, there’s been a rise in rickets because mothers have been slathering young children with sunblock creams, but it’s worse than that :http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/03/monckton-responds-to-skeptical-science/#comment-895283
From which: http://www.rense.com/general48/sunlight1.htm

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