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Has anone else noticed that on
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps+002
we are once again in record low temperatures for the calendar date?

Global Warming Denier Poster
I see alot of this sort of thing on Facebook, so I though I’d make my own version.
http://www.minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/2012/02/global-warming-denier-poster.html

Tripid

Has anyone seen the article in Wired Science “The Inside Story of Climate Scientists Under Siege”? http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/02/climate-desk-michael-mann/
To me, they brought it on themselves by not being open with their data and methods. Its not science unless it is in the open with data and methods for all to review.

Tripid

Also note the mention of the Heartland Institue memo’s without any mention of the possibility that one of the memo’s was faked. I only read Wired Science for physics and cosmology stories and this is why.

LearDog

THIS story is hysterical.! Have at it!
http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_19984502
Clearly ‘Hate Crimes’

Jim Barker

Just tried to get onto http://www.numberwatch.co.uk and Firefox keeps locking up. What’s up?

Dr. Science

Q: Why are the geese flying north?
A: This time of year it starts warming up in the Southern U.S., resulting in overcrowding at golf courses in the region…

Snapple

Joe Bast could post a screen shot of the email his duped staffer allegedly sent. We could all see if the Climate Strategy document is on it. We could also see who got the email. Bast is telling his donors that he has contacted the FBI and police. Chicago FBI Special Agent Royden “Ross” Rice states that, based on media accounts, the FBI has no legal basis to investigate.
http://www.legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2012/02/heartlands-hypocrisy.html

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

Apparently not everyone has gotten the memo:
http://planetsave.com/2012/02/19/heartland-institute-funnel-of-funding-infographic/

Heartland Institute Funnel of Funding Infographic
By Zachary Shahan On February 19, 2012
Skeptical Science has put together a nice infographic of the Heartland Institute’s funding sources and where the money goes based this week’s leaked documents (note, however, that nearly half of the Heartland Institute’s revenue, $14.26 million of its $33.9 million, comes from a single anonymous donor, according to the document). Some notes from Skeptical Science before showing the infographic:

These numbers come from the Heartland 2012 Budget and Fundraising Plan documents (in US dollars). Note that while some of the figures in this graphic have been confirmed, Heartland has not yet confirmed that all the numbers are correct. There is also no reason to doubt their veracity to this point. If any of the numbers are found to be in error, we will revise this graphic accordingly.
Although there are too many donations and programs to include in a single graphic, we selected some of the larger and more prominent contributors for the upper half of the graphic. Most of the programs and individuals in the lower half are potentially climate-related, with the exception of Operation Angry Badger, which we included because it potentially vlolates Heartland’s tax-exempt chartiable organizational status, and James Taylor, because he frequently writes climate “skeptic” blog posts for Forbes.

Apparently Anthony Watts hasn’t sufficiently corrected the record on how much was pledged and that it was for his new NOAA info website. Note: When trying to jam correct information through such thick skulls, he should use a larger hammer.

Additionally, some notes from the AP:

Because Heartland was not specific about what was fake and what was real, The Associated Press attempted to verify independently key parts of separate budget and fundraising documents that were leaked. The federal consultant working on the classroom curriculum, the former TV weatherman, a Chicago elected official who campaigns against hidden local debt and two corporate donors all confirmed to the AP that the sections in the document that pertained to them were accurate. No one the AP contacted said the budget or fundraising documents mentioning them were incorrect.

The “former TV weatherman” didn’t tell the AP the documents were incorrect? The SkepSci “infographic” shows “Watts Surface Stations” getting $88,000 when we already have Anthony stating only half of that was pledged.
Also note, the “genius” who wrote that piece saying $14.26 million is coming from a single anonymous donor, apparently didn’t notice the “infographic” shows only $3.9 million.
(Note: Honestly I don’t think I’ve ever even seen this “Planetsave” site before, it showed up when I Googled for fresh Heartland news. I can though tell from the “Other Planetsave Posts You May Like” that they are quite willing to unquestioningly join in any smearing against the “global warming deniers,” facts be damned.)

Eric (skeptic)

I would like Doug Cotton (or anyone else) to provide an alternative explanation to why radiational cooling is more effective when there are no clouds. Here is a conventional and widely accepted explanation: http://ryanhanrahan.wordpress.com/tag/radiational-cooling/

Calm winds and clear skies promote what we call radiational cooling. The longwave radiation emitted by earth into space is maximized on clear nights. On cloudy nights some of that radiation is absorbed by the clouds. A portion of that absorbed longwave radiation is emitted into space and a portion is re-emitted back to earth. On clear nights there are no clouds around to re-emit longwave energy back to earth. The more radiation escapes into space the cooler we get.

But according to Doug Cotton, the colder clouds cannot slow the warming of the warmer surface.

John Peter

So the oceans are doomed after all, notwithstanding Willis Eschenbach’s attempts to explain that the oceans are not turning acid.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17088154
Jacuzzi vents’ model CO2 future
“A UK scientist studying volcanic vents in the ocean says they hold a grave warning for future marine ecosystems.
These vents have naturally acidified waters that hint at how our seas might change if atmospheric carbon dioxide levels continue to rise.
They are conditions that would make it harder for corals and similar organisms to make the hard parts in their bodies.
Dr Jason Hall-Spencer’s work suggests our oceans could lose perhaps 30% of their biodiversity this century.”
and on it goes.

DirkH

Via a link posted by Nerd, I found this video by Dr. Robert Lustig, lecture about the American obesity epidemic and High Fructose Corn Syrup.

Now, I don’t consume sugary drinks but my teenage son does and the soft drinks here in Germany just say “sugar” (Zucker) on the ingredient list so I wanted to know whether it is legal to use HFCS in the highly regulated German food market.
So I consulted the wikipedia. I found that HFCS needs to be declared in Germany when there’s a fructose content above 5% in the syrup and simply writing “sugar” won’t do, so that was good. But what really astonished me is the difference between the German and the English wikipedia page about HFCS – while the German one talks freely about the problems associated with fructose metabolization, the English one is as clean from criticism as they are clean from CAGW criticism.
So that’s another area where the wikipedia is more than useless, except for seeing who plays what kind of games.

Nerd

4 months ago when Texas was going through exceptional drought and there was some concerns about La Nina continuing to make this terrible drought even worse during 2012 with reservoirs being low in some places. Since then, we have made a remarkable recovery for large part of Texas.
I’m wondering what could have made that happen despite La Nina in place?

DirkH
Eric Dailey

THIS IS NOT YOUR FATHERS GPS
“The Geospatial Revolution Project”
Blow you mind, view this video. The same tools may be used for truth or deception. Knowledge is power.
http://youtu.be/OEWKTaY2ahg
from this site…
http://www.geoeye.com/GeoEye101/what-is-geospatial/geospatial-revolution.aspx

DirkH

Snapple says:
February 19, 2012 at 9:23 am
“Joe Bast could post a screen shot of the email his duped staffer allegedly sent. We could all see if the Climate Strategy document is on it. ”
Snapple, you don’t seem to believe their word, so why would you believe a screenshot? If you don’t know how to fake a screenshot and would like to learn it, contact me for an offer.

John Peter,
Clearly, Dr Hall-Spencer is a buffoon. Why give a pseudo-scientist like that publicity? He says:
“What we see as you swim along a gradient of carbon dioxide, up to levels we expect for the end of this century, is diversity loss. As you go along that gradient, species drop out of the system,” he told BBC News.
These natural vents have been emitting large quantities of CO2 for millions of years. Species have adapted to their local conditions. so obviously, there will be different species in different environments.
We can add this alarmist nonsense to the litany of grant-trolling scare stories that are quoted endlessly in the BBC by clueless nincompoops and scientifically illiterate, propaganda writing reporters.
Nothing – N-O-T-H-I-N-G – unusual is happening. These stories are no different than the scary ghost stories that children tell each other.
By definition, half the population is below average in intelligence. This is the kind of scare story that appeals to them. Fortunately, most readers of WUWT know BS when they see it. Not so for the BBC’s audience.

A lawsuit in the making?
This brand new blog entry at Jo Nova has put DeSmogblog on legal notice:
Heartland sends out first legal notice about stolen and faked documents
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/02/heartland-sends-out-first-legal-notice-about-stolen-and-faked-documents/

Allan MacRae

sunsettommy says: February 19, 2012 at 9:52 am
A lawsuit in the making?
This brand new blog entry at Jo Nova has put DeSmogblog on legal notice:
Heartland sends out first legal notice about stolen and faked documents
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/02/heartland-sends-out-first-legal-notice-about-stolen-and-faked-documents/
____________
Great news, thanks Tommy.
Wouldn’t it be great if the warmists ended up funding Heartland through a big settlement?
These warmists make great opponents – compared to them, the Three Stooges look competent!
If the warmists had not caused our society to squander a trillion dollars on global warming fraud, it would actually be funny.
We continue to be influenced and governed by scoundrels and imbeciles.

aaron

The nytimes had a nice little human interest piece on the poor ice fishing season. They made it all the way to the second before last paragraph befor getting all global warmy.
So close.

DR

@DirkH
You may be interested in this
http://flibe-energy.com/
I heard Kirk Sorensen interviewed on the Peter Schiff show last month dated 1/17/2012. Quite revealing how the thorium projects were mothballed in the early 70’s.

Eric (skeptic)

Nerd, a very strong eastern Pacific upper level ridge (orange in link below) has allowed continental upper troughs to extend down into the US southwest (light green) and, sometimes as cut off upper lows (separate patch of light green), sometimes not, drift eastward through Texas. The latest storm moving through the Carolinas was generated by one of those troughs. The latest Euro model http://weather.unisys.com/ecmwf/ecmwf.php?inv=0&plot=4p&region=a is showing another upper trough doing that during this week (wed/thurs) but for now the NWS in San Antonio is ignoring that model even though it has been pretty good at this range this winter.

Genghis

Eric (Skeptic),
It is all about whether or not the system is in thermal equilibrium. That is the billion dollar question climate question.
For example try this little experiment.
Take 2 identical black metal bars and wrap half of one of the bars with shiny aluminum insulating tape. Put them both under a heat lamp for a few hours (until the temperature of the bar wrapped half with the tape quits increasing). Then measure the temperature of both bars, their temperature will be identical despite the fact that one of the bars has an albedo of 50%.
Sliding the reflecting tape off or on the metal bar will make no difference to its temperature, once it is in equilibrium. If the bar isn’t in equilibrium, the tape will slow the warm or cooling of the bar. That is all there is to it.
The real question is whether or not the Earth is in equilibrium. The Warmers claim that the Earth is below the equilibrium temperature.
I claim that the Sun shining on the Earth for millions of years guarantees that the Earth is in equilibrium.

Adam Gallon

Looking at the whinging by certain sectors, of the paltry $1.5m donated to a certain organisation.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2012/02/tip-of-iceberg.html
“According to Gray, in the past four years DFID has spent £900 million on climate change projects with nearly two thirds of that being spent in the past financial year. A further £533 million has already been committed up to 2013. The biggest recipients, he says, are India and Indonesia, two countries considered to be rapidly emerging economies”

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

From DirkH on February 19, 2012 at 9:33 am:

Via a link posted by Nerd, I found this video by Dr. Robert Lustig, lecture about the American obesity epidemic and High Fructose Corn Syrup.

It wasn’t that long ago when the HFCS kerfuffle popped up in the US. Suddenly soda cans were proudly labeled “Made with SUGAR!” After the many decades of warnings about obesity and even diabetes from the sugar (generic term) in soda, I did find that rather humorous.
In trying to replace HFCS, some makers are swapping in “organic brown rice syrup,” which has turned out to potentially have dangerous levels of arsenic. Reminds me of how margarine was a healthier alternative to butter, until the dangers of trans-fats were discovered and the butter turned out to be better.
All such stuff amounts to finding safer ways to indulge in dangerous excessive consumption. Healthier living is still found in old wisdom, ‘Moderation in everything, even in moderation.’

Dirk,
While the high fructose syrup may be a factor, I think that growth hormones in meat and dairy products (banned in France, don’t know about other EU countries) are one of the reasons of American obesity. Not that you would hear much about it — the U.S. food lobby plays hand in hand with the Feds.

Nerd

Dirk,
High fructose syrup in high amount can give you fatty liver disease! Essentially, no different than drinking alcoholic beverages in large quantity. Yikes. Anyway, if you want to lose weight, get diabetes and heart disease under control, get glucose meter and test your blood 30-60 minutes after you eat something. If your blood sugar level goes above 120, ditch the food and try something else. Paleo Diet is a great one and not only that it was proven by multiple trial studies. Wheat Belly Diet is a pretty good complementary to that diet as it helps you understand why and how you get heart disease in the first place. High fructose isn’t the only carbohydrate source to worry about. Wheat/corn flour based products (pasta, bread, etc) are everywhere as well.
Widespread vitamin D deficiency is a huge concern that nobody seemed to be aware of. No thanks to CDC, it got swept under the rug. http://www.naturalnews.com/032202_vitamin_D_deficiency_disease.html To help you understand how important Vitamin D is for our health – (Note: it is not really a vitamin but a prohormone that get converted to powerful steroid hormone that acts as DNA repair and maintenance) – http://www.biochemj.org/bj/441/0061/bj4410061.htm
Once again, we get screwed by gov’t… Oh yeah, American Cancer Society recently tried to discredit vitamin D and telling us to stick to federal guideline. Right… you want us to get cancer so you get to charge high amount while I suffer miserably undergoing chemotherapy. How nice of you…
Once again, it’s all about money.

Eric (skeptic)

Genghis, interesting experiment but it only tests albedo changes. The atmosphere is only in equilibrium near the top and the efficiency of getting heat up to that level will determine the final temperature down at the surface. A metal bar experiment could represent that by heating the bars from the center and adding varying amounts of insulating material into the composition of one of the bars. Given an identical power flux into each bar, one bar would have a warmer center than the other.

Plunging to New Depths:
http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/blog/?p=5435
“Plunge, by artist Michael Pinsky, imagines a time 1000 years in the future when the effects of runaway climate change have completely transformed the London we know today.
This latest piece of state-sponsored apocalism is supported by the National Lottery through Arts Council England, the European Culture Programme, Trust Greenbelt, WWF-UK and the Big Give.
This ‘work of art’ invites visitors to look up and see ‘rings of blue fire’, erected at 28 metres above sea level on familiar icons across London in an attempt to create disturbing visions of apocalypse in the eye of the beholder.
“Artist Pinsky’s work illustrates how sea levels will have climbed by then, should we fail to heed the threat of ‘global warming’.”
The artwork, which resembles a series of chip shop fly killers, clearly suggests the level of knowledge and intelligence required to be an ‘artist’ in the early 21st century.
Sea levels are rising at approximately 15cm per century, so in a thousand years that’s a rise of around 1.5m.
Pinsky shows signs of his true colours elsewhere on his main website, refering to a work on green neon crosses:
“These objects that use siren-like attractive powers to kill and brutalize the unsuspecting fly. But who gets caught? The consumer or the fly?”
Perhaps Mr Pinsky isn’t aware of the apparent parapraxis in that statement. All hail the Age of Stupid!”

DirkH

Nerd says:
February 19, 2012 at 11:22 am
“Widespread vitamin D deficiency is a huge concern that nobody seemed to be aware of. No thanks to CDC, it got swept under the rug. http://www.naturalnews.com
I regularly adapt my supplements; I’m taking D3 and Zinc Histidine ATM and looks like that works out perfectly – all the people around me coughed and sneezed in this winter and I’m just fine…
Alexander Feht says:
February 19, 2012 at 11:01 am
“While the high fructose syrup may be a factor, I think that growth hormones in meat and dairy products (banned in France, don’t know about other EU countries) are one of the reasons of American obesity. ”
Banned in all of the EU. Yes, maybe that’s a factor as well.
Reading more about fructose, I found out that our normal sugar here in Germany (made from sugar beet) is simply sucrose, that’s a fructose molecule connected to a glucose molecule. The bond between the two molecules is removed by our metabolism and the fructose and glucose are then processed separately. With 50% fructose content, sucrose is nearly as high as HFCS 55 (55%) in fructose content.
And we’ve been using this sugar beet sugar for ages. Dr. Lustig blames the introduction of HFCS in the 70ies, but our sucrose has existed for far longer. So that can’t be the decisive reason.
And by the way: the English wikipedia DOES contain the arguments against HFCS; under
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hfcs
But when I went from the German page
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maissirup
I landed at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_syrup
which doesn’t.

HankH

Alexander Feht says:
February 19, 2012 at 11:01 am
Dirk,
While the high fructose syrup may be a factor, I think that growth hormones in meat and dairy products (banned in France, don’t know about other EU countries) are one of the reasons of American obesity. Not that you would hear much about it — the U.S. food lobby plays hand in hand with the Feds.

The combination of high levels of grown hormones, antibiotics, and pesticides in meat and dairy is also being shown a leading cause of breast and prostate cancer, among others. Believe it or not, chicken is as bad or worse than beef. The growth hormones encourage these hormone sensitive cancers to grow. The antibiotics suppress the body’s natural defenses against the cancer, and pesticides and other chemicals contribute to chromosomal damage that gets the cancer started.
Having battled cancer and kicked it to the corner, I no longer eat commercial farm raised meat or dairy products. I’m even careful to read the label on organic labeled products as many of them come from China and aren’t inspected by U.S. agencies to ensure that they’re really organic. In reality they’re often so full of undesirable chemicals that they’re worse for you. Anyway, I don’t want a repeat of the cancer experience so I choose my food carefully.

The deal with any sugars is moderation. Even “natural” sources of sugar such as fruits will break down into high levels of fructose. HFCS is no worse than Honey or Agave. Eating a wide variety of foods, and in moderation is the key.

Third Party

Has an(y)one else noticed that on
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps+002
we are once again in record low temperatures for the calendar date?
Here’s my question(s):
Why is there a global seasonal temp signal?
Why is it positive at some altitudes and negative at others?
Can these data be used to help show causality of CO2 to atmospheric temps in any way?

Third Party

“Agave”?
Distilled Nectar of the Gods

Can anyone help me with this. Per wiki, the total amount of energy generated by humans from oil, gas, coal, nuclear and biomass is ~125,000TWH per year.
This might seem like a large number, but it equates to ~0.03W/m2 of energy intensity that we are adding to the Earth’s energy budget. ~170W/m2 gets to the surface from the sun, or just over 5,600 times more than we are adding.
Surely, the maximum effect we can have on the system overall is the energy that we add to that system? Our first order effect is the energy, our second order effect is the waste heat. Some of that waste heat goes to creating CO2, making it a third order effect. How can a third order effect from a miniscule addition of energy result in Thermageddon?
Here’s the figures:
143,851TWH – 13%(amount for renewables) = 125150TWH
125150TWH / 8760 (hours in a year) = 14.286530TW = 14286530MW
14286530MW / 510926783 (Area of the world in km2) = 0.027962W / m2

Jimbo

John Peter says:
February 19, 2012 at 9:29 am
So the oceans are doomed after all, notwithstanding Willis Eschenbach’s attempts to explain that the oceans are not turning acid.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17088154
Jacuzzi vents’ model CO2 future
“A UK scientist studying volcanic vents in the ocean says they hold a grave warning for future marine ecosystems.

You may have missed this:

“….a large scale, natural experiment in Papua New Guinea. There are several places at the eastern end of that country where carbon dioxide is continuously bubbling up through healthy looking coral reef, with fish swimming around and all that that implies.
Coral Reef at Dobu Island with carbon dioxide bubbling through it
What that implies is that ocean acidification is no threat at all. If the most delicate, fragile, iconic ecosystem of them all can handle flat-out saturation with carbon dioxide, what is there to worry about?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/28/the-fishes-and-the-coral-live-happily-in-the-co2-bubble-plume/

Doomednotdoomed.

statmanUK

Has anyone else wondered whether this whole ‘acidification’ of the world’s oceans due to increasing CO2 emission is the biggest load of bollax ever thought up by non-chemists? Look at the ‘latest research’ reported with gusto by the BBC here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17088154
Apparently volcanic vents deep under the seas surface is acidifying the ocean. Extrapolating this finding, researchers from the low grade UK uni Plymouth University conclude that 30% of all marine life on the sea bed could be killed by acidifying oceans.
Is this an example of good science? Or crap science? Please let me know!

Foxgoose

Anybody else had trouble voting in the Weblog Awards?
I’ve tried three times over the last few days and the process seemed to go OK – but I never got the confirmatory email on any occasion.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

From Alexander Feht on February 19, 2012 at 11:01 am:

While the high fructose syrup may be a factor, I think that growth hormones in meat and dairy products (banned in France, don’t know about other EU countries) are one of the reasons of American obesity. Not that you would hear much about it — the U.S. food lobby plays hand in hand with the Feds.

I’ve noted on the ads for Perdue chicken and others that they say no growth hormones are used, with the fine print saying growth hormones aren’t permitted anyway. I Googled up an expanded listing (bold added):
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA400066

Some people think that all commercially raised animals – cattle, hogs, sheep, and poultry – are fed hormones as growth promoters. In fact, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) does not permit the use of hormones in raising hogs or chickens, turkeys and other fowl. That is why the USDA does not allow the use of the term “no hormones added” on labels of pork or poultry products unless it is followed by a statement explaining that “Federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones.”
Hormones are still used as growth promoters in cattle and sheep. It’s estimated that two-thirds of the cattle raised in the U.S. are given hormones (usually testosterone or estrogens) to boost growth. Producers of beef and lamb may use the term “no hormones administered” on labels after satisfying the USDA that hormones were not used in raising the animals. If you eat beef or lamb, I urge you to look for such products.

So growth hormones in meat are rather easy to avoid.
More info on growth hormones is found in this Cornell University fact sheet:
http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/factsheet/diet/fs37.hormones.cfm
Note that’s a 2000 document, page says it’s on a archival site, see the new one. I did, did searching through the pdf files… which lead right back to the same document except in pdf.
I can’t see anything there to worry about. And if someone says they’re worried about growth hormones in American poultry and pork, feel free to write them off as a raving nutter.

u.k.(us)

Foxgoose says:
February 19, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Anybody else had trouble voting in the Weblog Awards?
I’ve tried three times over the last few days and the process seemed to go OK – but I never got the confirmatory email on any occasion.
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Same here, voted 4 or 5 times, never got the confirm email ?????

Marlow Metcalf

My tiny understanding of how Wikipedia decides which position to publish is this. They do not do peer review. They go with what the vast majority opinion and facts of published work. When the vast majority of published work is that humans cannot change climate then Wikipedia will publish that. As to different opinion and information in different languages, I have no idea.

Kaboom

@Smokey
If you published a story that a study has concluded that global warming causes half the population to be of below average intelligence you could probably get every major news outlet to run it – simply based on the fact that the editors today are part of that population half.

DirkH

Marlow Metcalf says:
February 19, 2012 at 1:34 pm
“My tiny understanding of how Wikipedia decides which position to publish is this. They do not do peer review. They go with what the vast majority opinion and facts of published work. When the vast majority of published work is that humans cannot change climate then Wikipedia will publish that. As to different opinion and information in different languages, I have no idea.”
In my opinion, they publish the point of view that wins. For instance, once I read the article on Albert Einstein, and it was strangely worded at one point. I looked into the history and the talk page and it turned out that there had been a war raging for years between one guy who thought that Poncaré was the real inventor of general relativity and others who opposed him; in that case it resulted in a strangely compromising text, taking neither position clearly.
What position wins in such a war is determined by the warring factions, their standing in the wikipedia hierarchy, their numbers, their tactics, their strategy, how well they can damage the reputation of the opposing forces etc. The book of Sun Tzu comes in handy.

DirkH says:
February 19, 2012 at 11:51 am

Reading more about fructose, I found out that our normal sugar here in Germany (made from sugar beet) is simply sucrose, that’s a fructose molecule connected to a glucose molecule. The bond between the two molecules is removed by our metabolism and the fructose and glucose are then processed separately. With 50% fructose content, sucrose is nearly as high as HFCS 55 (55%) in fructose content.

I’m semi-agnostic on the issue. Science News has had some intriguing articles over the last several decades on the subject, most recently one to the effect that fructose, in the presence of glucose prompts the pancreas to put out more insulin.
The “predigested” sucrose sounds like it should be metabolized just like real sucrose. However, it’s possible that sucrose leads to low levels of fructose in the bloodstream.
I think the last time I checked, I found that fructose is converted into glucose, and then it enters the long processing (Krebs Cycle, electron transport chain, etc) that I learned in high school biology when that was new knowledge.
If the enzyme that splits sucrose is slower than that which converts fructose to gluclose, then fructose would have a short dwell time in the blodstream. Consuming HFCS, OTOH, would likely flood the bloodstream with both fructose and glucose, so there would be a fructose spike.
I have not had time to look into the reaction rates of the two steps, if someone has time to do so, please be my guest.
By the way, one thing I learned along the way is that “invert sugar,” used mainly in pastery products, is sucrose decomposed to glucose and fructose by a heat process. (My recollection is fuzzy, a recheck is in order.) The goal is to make sugar sweeter in pastries.

Steve from Rockwood

u.k.(us) says:
February 19, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Foxgoose says:
February 19, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Anybody else had trouble voting in the Weblog Awards?
I’ve tried three times over the last few days and the process seemed to go OK – but I never got the confirmatory email on any occasion.
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Same here, voted 4 or 5 times, never got the confirm email ?????
————————————————————————————
I had no problem. Maybe check your spam filter.

Genghis

Eric (Skeptic)
I think you missed the point a little. If the system isn’t in thermal equilibrium, then yes albedo, GHG’s, insulation, etc. make a difference to the rate of temperature change in the system.
The point of the experiment was that the Earth after being heated by the sun for billions of years has to be in thermal equilibrium. Just like putting the putting the metal bars under the heat lamp for a few hours.

Marlow Metcalf

Regarding Bovine Growth Hormon (BGH)
From the American Cancer Society
http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/OtherCarcinogens/AtHome/recombinant-bovine-growth-hormone
“Before approving the use of rBGH in 1993, the FDA calculated a worst case scenario based on an infant drinking 1.5 liters (1.6 quarts) of milk daily, with complete absorption of intact IGF-1 protein and the maximum increase in IGF-1. Under these conditions, milk from rBGH-treated cows would contribute far less than 1% of the infant’s normal daily production of IGF-1. “
Current usage and regulatory status
Although the use of rBGH is still approved in the United States, demand for the product has decreased in recent years. Many large grocery store chains no longer carry milk from cows treated with rBGH. A United States Department of Agriculture survey conducted in 2007 found that less than 1 in 5 cows (17%) were being injected with rBGH.
Summary
The available evidence shows that the use of rBGH can cause adverse health effects in cows. The evidence for potential harm to humans is inconclusive. It is not clear that drinking milk produced using rBGH significantly increases IGF-1 levels in humans or adds to the risk of developing cancer. More research is needed to help better address these concerns.
The increased use of antibiotics to treat rBGH-induced mastitis does promote the development of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, but the extent to which these are transmitted to humans is unclear.
The American Cancer Society (ACS) has no formal position regarding rBGH. Together with its advocacy affiliate, the ACS Cancer Action Network (ACS CAN), the Society supports open, fair and transparent regulatory oversight of products containing rBGH. The ACS also encourages continued and expanded scientific research and independent, credible assessment of potential relationships between the use of this substance in cows and human cancer risk. We support regulatory standards based on rigorous scientific evidence to minimize exposure to carcinogens, and we encourage the FDA to give the public information regarding known and suspected causes of cancer in the food system. The need for an effective FDA in ensuring the safety of our food supply, medicines, and consumer products has never been greater.

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