People send me stuff… UPDATE: See below for another interpretation
Remember how this was phrased? “sign it, it’s just voluntary!”
Recall Rio 1992 “Earth Summit” where the meme was “hey, it’s voluntary!…with a negotiating schedule attached”. Apparently, like a Roach Motel, “countries check in but they can’t check out”. This email is from UNFCCC’s list server and note my bolded section below. The arrogance, it burns.
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From: globalmedialist-all <globalmedialist-all@lists.unfccc.int>
To: globalmedialist-all <globalmedialist-all@lists.unfccc.int>; germanmedialist <germanmedialist@lists.unfccc.int>
Sent: Tue, Dec 13, 2011 4:46 am
Subject: [UNFCCC medialist] STATEMENT BY UNFCCC CHIEF ON CANADA’S ANNOUNCEMENT TO WITHDRAW FROM KYOTO PROTOCOL
STATEMENT BY UNFCCC CHIEF ON CANADA’S ANNOUNCEMENT TO WITHDRAW FROM KYOTO PROTOCOL
The Durban agreement to a second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol represents the continued leadership and commitment of developed countries to meet legally binding emission reduction commitments. It also provides the essential foundation of confidence for the new push towards a universal, legal climate agreement in the near future.
I regret that Canada has announced it will withdraw and am surprised over its timing. Whether or not Canada is a Party to the Kyoto Protocol, it has a legal obligation under the Convention to reduce its emissions, and a moral obligation to itself and future generations to lead in the global effort. Industrialized countries whose emissions have risen significantly since 1990, as is the case for Canada, remain in a weaker position to call on developing countries to limit their emissions.
I call on all developed countries to meet their responsibilities under the Climate Change Convention and its Kyoto Protocol, to raise their ambition to cut emissions and to provide the agreed adequate support to developing countries to build their own clean energy futures and adapt to climate change impacts they are already experiencing.
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UPDATE: There’s some ambiguity here in the announcement, upon further reading it could be interpreted that they are saying this:
“I see you withdraw from Kyoto but you are still legally bound to reduce emissions UNDER THE 1992 ‘VOLUNTARY’ RIO UN FRAMEWORK CONVENTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE (UNFCCC)”.
So maybe it isn’t Kyoto they’re saying they can’t leave, but its parent treaty, Rio’s UNFCCC, which is the model for this Spring’s upcoming UNCSD ’12.
But that’s voluntary too, so how can a “voluntary” agreement be legally binding?
hmm, just wondering how the US would respond if the UN tried to enforce their will on Canada.
Could be interesting.
The Durban agreement to a second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol represents nothing but the continued delusion of relevancy that KYOTO hold outs are clinging to. Reiterrating our earlier announcement Canada will no longer be a party to any Kyoto pretense of legally binding emission reduction commitments or any new push towards any agreement in the future.
I regret that UNFCCC is attempting to dictate to Canada any obligation, under the Convention, or morally, to reduce its emissions. Furthermore Canada will not be participating in any efforts to call on developing countries to limit their emissions.
I call on all countries to abandon the Climate Change Convention and its Kyoto Protocol entirely and to proceed towards building their own prosperous futures. No country is or should be bound to reduce emissions under the now defunct UN FRAMEWORK CONVENTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE (UNFCCC).
I further call on all fossil fuel producing countries to push for accelerated advances in clean fossil fuel technology to allow the vast global amounts of available coal, oil and natural gas to provide cheap energy and advancement well into the next century’s energy sources.
U.N. Trek The wrath of Kyoto
Anthony. As A Canadian I’m proud to say well done To the Conservatives, And I can assure you the UN WONT GET A DIME!
OT.Re Roach Motel.
Your reference to the Roach Motel set me back to 1982 when we Canucks would drive down to Hood river, Oregon for some of the best windsurfing in the world, We rented an old house (and many more over the years) it was well known as the Roach Motel, full or roaches (both kinds) and for years we had a ball, Windsurfing on those huge rolling swells, big down wind runs for 20 + miles into the desert working the swells over and jumping for hours on end. On none windy days some of the best mountain biking. (I Live in North Vancouver also great riding) I have ever done with unbelievable vistas, mountain views and scenery and the cheap golf courses that were a dream.
The Guys living in the Roach Motel are the ones that painted a huge clowns face on a giant bolder across from Hood river and named it Bozo Beach because so many people would end up there and have to climb 60 or 70 feet up a railway embankment to get a ride home.People would ask how can I get to Bozo Beach LOL.
Thanks for the memory.
Dave.
“The Hood River current has a tendency to force downed sailors to the Washington side for an involuntary visit to Bozo Beach. Nasty biz.
http://www.rowenashores.com/top20/hrsailpk.htm
With $13 billion the Canadians can develop LFTR technology and be ahead of the curve on nuclear tech (again). The heavy water Candu design was good for its time but getting a bit old now. You can do a lot of good with $13 billion.
PS. While the Canucks are a polite lot I would not want to be the collector trying to enforce this UN mandate.
“But that’s voluntary too…”
You keepa usin’ dat word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
– h/t Inigo Montoya
” ChE says: December 13, 2011 at 9:28 am
They’re preparing a UN invasion force as we type. Dudley Dooright, come along quietly. And your horse, too. ”
Didn’t Canada just repeal their long gun (hunting rifle) registry? Hmmmm. I wouldn’t want to be on that UN invasion force.
Hey Anthony!
I went looking for that email, I found this post copied in its entirety, as well as other WUWT posts, and those from Bishop Hill, Junk Science, even Minnesotans For Global Warming, all ripped off including all graphics:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060440670
It’s a bulletin board, some posts broken up into several comments.
Most distressing/amusing, the offending commenter may simply be using the following as his sig, but it ends all the comments and doesn’t reflect well on the content as it’s untrue:
Torgeir Hansson says:
December 13, 2011 at 12:59 pm
davidmhoffer says:
December 13, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Yet, oddlly, I meet “communists” every day.
Your idea of a communist is anyone who wants to limit anything about the activity of any free market or anything else for that matter. That makes you an anarchist.
You live in a world of make believe. I live in the real world. When you choose to live in the real world, I’ll be happy to talk to you. In the meantime, happy trails.>>>
For starters sir, do not presume to tell me what my idea of anything is. If you want to know, just ask, and I’ll tell you. Put words in my mouth, or lecture me from atop your high horse as to what I think or what I believe, and you do no more that flash your ignorant arrogance in all itz splendor for all to see. Accuse me of being an anarchist, and you do nothing more than display your intent to cast the words of others in poor light that you may discredit them without addressing directly the actual issues at stake. Such are the tactics of those, who have no logical arguments at their command, resort to when attempting to assert their beliefs on others. Of course, that is their tactic of choice when they lack power. When they seize power, they simply banish those who speak against them to gulags in Siberia, or the bottom of deep holes covered in again with dirt. Or they simply machine gun them to death in Tiannamin Square. Which flavour of “I’m not a communist” do you subscribe to?
Once can only ask, if your royal highness is so secure in his pontifications regarding the “real world” why it is that he cannot answer the actual arguments I and others have raised about the ineffectiveness, expense, and rampant corruption of the United Nations, and their abject failure regarding every global mandate they have ever undertaken. (My apologies, but skimming billions off the food for oil program into their own pockets doesn’t count as a success for the rest of us) Is there something you fear about engaging in the actual issues that prompts to you make baseless accusations rather than answer the actual charges?
And you have the unmitigated gall to accuse me of living in a fantasy world? Sadly sir, if I lived in a fantasy world, then you wouldn’t exist. But I live in the real world where cowards wrap themselves in cloaks of morality and haughtily accuse others of being sinners.
Happy trails yourself sir. Just make sure none of them cross mine.
There was a woman in Ontario that had her house stolen from her because of a collaboration between a bank and a real estate agent. She was able to dip into a fund that was set up for such situations as this fraud, but she still didn’t think this was right and due diligence should have been conducted by the bank so she pursued this matter and had the laws changed.
This Kyoto thing that our ancestors agreed to was based on fraudulent science and there is no way in Heck that Canadians will allow fraud to win the day.
You encounter them every day — do you work in academia or the major media?
Seriously, they call themselves progressives now, as if implementing Mussolini’s economic vision is progress.
~More Soylent Green!
TRM;
Didn’t Canada just repeal their long gun (hunting rifle) registry? Hmmmm. I wouldn’t want to be on that UN invasion force.>>>
Invasion force? Aren’t they just over the border in New York? Armed to the teeth with pens and paper in the hands of well trained accountants and lawyers and administrative staff? Oh yeah, I forgot, they can recruit from all their member countries. I heard they can raise 2 million soldiers armed to the teeth. Let me check.
OK, I’ve done an inventory. We’ve got 18 fighter jets, some with ammunition. We’ve got 112 tanks, some that still run. We’ve got 6 helicopters, all of which run, as long as not more than an hour at a time. Oh, and we’ve got 60,000 troops. Some of which are in Canada. Let’s see….2 million UN troops, recruited from all those nations demanding hand outs because its our fault that their people are starving….
OK, I see the problem.
Where the heck are we going to put 2 million deserters when they surrender before the shooting starts?
Hey, I know. We’ll declare them refugees, and make the UN feed them.
Torgeir Hansson says:
December 13, 2011 at 12:38 pm
I get a violent headache when I have to read about “communist avant grades,” “chief threat to world peace,” and similar utterances.
“communists are a chief threat to world peace”
“communists are a chief threat to individual freedom”
“communists are a chief threat to self-determination and liberty”
“communists are a chief threat to national sovereignty”
Does it hurt yet? Is it going to explode? You really did not have to read that. Nobody made you.
I can’t help but retch when I run into neocon conspiratorial theories.
The UN is part of a vast totalitarian conspiracy.
The UN is part of a vast totalitarian conspiracy.
The conspiracy is populated by members of almost every imaginable political party. The conspiracy is coordinated by the god of this world, who has blinded the minds of those who believe not.
Do you have enough towels to clean up the mess?
The UN is not the Antichrist. There is no communist around every corner. Hell, there are hardly any communists left in the world.
The trouble with Torgeir is that, as a thirteen year old child, his parents forgot to spank him. Or his parents were communist cult members. Or UN delegates.
When you are raised by Communists to be a communist, nobody is a communist. Everyone is a comrade. There is only one thing you can trust Communists to be – Communist; that is to say, liars and a thieves.
He certainly doesn’t know who the Christ is, so how could he possibly know what an anti-Christ is?
Torgeir, deliverance is available, but you must ask…humbly.
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
December 13, 2011 at 1:19 pm
From Torgeir Hansson on December 13, 2011 at 12:51 pm:
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Yes, it is a toothless organization, yes it is expensive to run, yes, many times foolish things are decided upon at the UN. But at least, through the UN, nations talk, and maybe it helps, and maybe we are learning enough to avoid another world war. It’s cheap insurance, and please don’t harass me with any communist conspiracies. They are so so very old.
So you agree it’s pretty much worthless, but argue it should be retained despite the multiple costs due to the Precautionary Principle? Very interesting…
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People like me who are against a one-world government run by the elite global banking cartel think that there could, possibly, be another way to run the world, if only we could get rid of that elite banking cartel which runs the world.
How can this be achieved? It’s harder than a Rubik’s Cube or Chinese arithmetic. Does my head in.
Reading UN documents may cause synaptic implosion. If affected consult your physician.
Torgeir Hansson says:
December 13, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Oh yea, watch this.
Why is the UNFCCC named “a Framework”, if it is actually a fully-drafted legal treaty with dotted ‘i’s and all?
And it says nothing whatever about quantities. Just a ‘best endeavours’ obligation to reduce something from BAU. Should do the trick if Canada buys in some compact light bulbs.
If anyone and especially the UN is even thinking of their troops forcing Canada to do anything – in advance we thank you for the added fertilizer – send more.
d_abes in Saskatoon says: Jean Chretien, forgot to mention torturing kittens.
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Didn’t Chretien like to get Dion’s dog Kyoto to attack kittens all the time?
I guess steely knives are out of the question…hockey sticks and hakapiks it is then…
As there is no “legally binding” agreement, me thinks these words were deliberately chosen to put Canada in a bad light internationally, to “discredit” it in classical Team-style. And since there can be no legal enforcement, this armwaving is designed to put pressure on the remaining faithful Kyoto states and/or the wannabe Kyoto bureaucrats in other countries. And of course, it’s always nice to have a scapegoat when the edifice comes tumbling down.
Bonne chance Canadiens!
Somebody already put of this whole thing up onyoutube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXh4VDZsI8
Including footage from Resevoir Dogs and the track “Woke up this morning, my Kyoto was dead”.
I suspect what they mean is that, Industrialised Countries have caused so much damage in terms of sea level rise and extreme weather and climate refugees and all the other things we hear about every day such as the Earth spinning off it’s axis and the sky falling in that the UN now believes that there’s a prima facie case for legal reparations. Enviros have always resorted to legal threats when they can’t get their way. Either way that would make the UN a global ambulance chaser.
Bebben, you didn’t get that quite right— “Good Luck Canadians/Bonne chance Canadiens”
(I learned to read French while I ate my breakfast cereal)
“4 eyes says:
December 13, 2011 at 1:37 pm
I’m not taking sides here but if Canada agreed to do something in 1992 then it should do it. If they never agreed to do anything then fine, they are free of obligation”
You raise a good point, but let us consider this hypothetical situation. Suppose you went to a doctor with a bad fever in 1992 and the doctor told you that you had a very serious illness and the fever would burn you up within six years unless you underwent a very costly and risky $500,000 operation. Then suppose you agree to it in good faith. Then suppose there were delays for one reason or another and the fever subsided on its own and you saw another doctor who said you were misdiagnosed in the first place. Would it be morally wrong for you to tell the first doctor in 2011 that the fever stopped going up and that you no longer want to have the risky $500,000 operation?
Torgeir Hansson says:
December 13, 2011 at 12:38 pm
“The UN is not the Antichrist. There is no communist around every corner. Hell, there are hardly any communists left in the world.”
My landlord in Hamburg said “Marx was right with everything.” Does that make him one? (Hint, hint, history book again: Look who wrote the Communist Manifesto)
(My landlord took rent nevertheless; even though he didn’t believe in personal property. But one can hardly blame him, as the revolution has not succeeded yet in Germany, and he must survive in a monetary system until it does.)
We have a whole party full of them, Die Linke, of which he was a member. They don’t call themselves Kommunists openly; but their party program speaks a clear language. Each time one of their top honchos speaks his mind openly, mentioning Kommunism in a favorable light, they have to go on a lengthy denial spree afterwards in the media. The small members of the party are more candid about it.