People send me stuff… UPDATE: See below for another interpretation
Remember how this was phrased? “sign it, it’s just voluntary!”
Recall Rio 1992 “Earth Summit” where the meme was “hey, it’s voluntary!…with a negotiating schedule attached”. Apparently, like a Roach Motel, “countries check in but they can’t check out”. This email is from UNFCCC’s list server and note my bolded section below. The arrogance, it burns.
—–Original Message—–
From: globalmedialist-all <globalmedialist-all@lists.unfccc.int>
To: globalmedialist-all <globalmedialist-all@lists.unfccc.int>; germanmedialist <germanmedialist@lists.unfccc.int>
Sent: Tue, Dec 13, 2011 4:46 am
Subject: [UNFCCC medialist] STATEMENT BY UNFCCC CHIEF ON CANADA’S ANNOUNCEMENT TO WITHDRAW FROM KYOTO PROTOCOL
STATEMENT BY UNFCCC CHIEF ON CANADA’S ANNOUNCEMENT TO WITHDRAW FROM KYOTO PROTOCOL
The Durban agreement to a second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol represents the continued leadership and commitment of developed countries to meet legally binding emission reduction commitments. It also provides the essential foundation of confidence for the new push towards a universal, legal climate agreement in the near future.
I regret that Canada has announced it will withdraw and am surprised over its timing. Whether or not Canada is a Party to the Kyoto Protocol, it has a legal obligation under the Convention to reduce its emissions, and a moral obligation to itself and future generations to lead in the global effort. Industrialized countries whose emissions have risen significantly since 1990, as is the case for Canada, remain in a weaker position to call on developing countries to limit their emissions.
I call on all developed countries to meet their responsibilities under the Climate Change Convention and its Kyoto Protocol, to raise their ambition to cut emissions and to provide the agreed adequate support to developing countries to build their own clean energy futures and adapt to climate change impacts they are already experiencing.
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UPDATE: There’s some ambiguity here in the announcement, upon further reading it could be interpreted that they are saying this:
“I see you withdraw from Kyoto but you are still legally bound to reduce emissions UNDER THE 1992 ‘VOLUNTARY’ RIO UN FRAMEWORK CONVENTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE (UNFCCC)”.
So maybe it isn’t Kyoto they’re saying they can’t leave, but its parent treaty, Rio’s UNFCCC, which is the model for this Spring’s upcoming UNCSD ’12.
But that’s voluntary too, so how can a “voluntary” agreement be legally binding?
@Aussie
re: “I was not aware that there was any pressure on the Japanese when it came to “expanding” their navy since Japan had not been involved in the first world war. The restrictions were on Germany!!”
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You really need to learn your history (though I agree with much that you say generally). The so-called Washington Naval Conference of 1922 was touted as the beginning of the arms control movement and limited the Japanese Navy as well as the other signatory powers, most notably the USA and Britain. Although there is much debate about the effects pro and con (since one “unintended consequence” was to make both Japan and the USA concentrate more resources on the newly emerging technologies for aircraft carriers), there certainly was an attempt by treaty to limit the expansion of the Japanese navy (or to prevent an ongoing arms race).
@Skiphil
thanks for the information. Like I said I was not aware of that particular piece of history. It was definitely not something that I learned through my history classes at school :). Most of the history that I studied concerned Britain, the UK, the USA and of course Australia, but not much on the Pacific region. This would seem to be more military history, and I was interested in economic history 🙂
On the other hand, I knew about the Boxer Rebellion, and I knew that the Japanese had invaded China. I simply did not know about that particular treaty and Naval Conference.
I found this news article: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,803670,00.html#ref=rss
regarding the pressure that is being placed upon Canada.
Well, as an Australian who feels extremely frustrated over the stupidity of our watermelon government that has enacted legislation against the will of the people, I say to Canada, I stand by your decision, and the left-wing in Europe can go jump into the lake.
Torgeir Hansson says:
December 14, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Someone remarked that communism and nazism in the end is the same thing. This is true, at least for the governed.
Torgeir, that is the only sensible political comment you’ve made in the entire thread. The thing that is the same is totalitarianism. From the governed’s point of view, it is all slavery.
Yet the dynamics in the United States today are closer to fascism and corporatism than to Communism.
Here we have displayed one of the primary differences between American thought and European thought.
The European tradition, of which Torgeir is apparently a part, is to debate and babble on about this or that kind of totalitarian regime they would like to live under. They make distinctions and have all kinds of isms to describe the various forms. They engage in intellectual masturbation concerning the ruler’s point of view because they envy the rulers, and want to be a member of the ruling class.
They then discuss the relative merits of one type of slavery over another to justify their admired form of totalitarianism, all the while dreaming of what it will mean to them should they attain one of the oppressor’s seats.
Americans (and Europeans) who love freedom, on the other hand, simply despise slavery. They hate the perpetration of slavery, and have every right to. The reason is obvious – they worship and respect the author of freedom, the One who gave them free will. The vigilant among them are engaged in sniffing out every false proposal you naive or sneaky bastards inject into the public discourse on a daily basis (you don’t consider that the reason you get to inject anything at all is because you do not yet live in the totalitarian paradise you lust for). Freedom lovers understand that the whole loaf of bread rises with just a little bit of leaven.
That is why you find most Americans will simply call all your fantastic crap, which you love, “Communism”, a word that conjures images of what we think is the most evil and oppressive form of government to date – there is no practical distinction among the isms for a hard-working people who do not covet their neighbor’s wives, their land, and their stuff.
We don’t really care what the psychopath’s name is that supposedly invented your totalitarian philosophy. We don’t really care who the entities are that define your ruling class. We don’t really care what the name of your totalitarian regime is. Totalitarians don’t deserve to live, because they have hated life and they have hated freedom. We offer you a one way plane ticket to the Communist country of your choice.
You and all your pretentiously naive friends claim there is no conspiracy because you are Godless, and so say there is no Devil either. You have the perfect excuse. But by the principles of logic, you make yourself God, and you would have us to worship and serve the creation instead of the Creator. You make idols out of your governments. In reality, you worship devil spirits.
Current USA politics has become infected with European thought on both sides of the aisle. The diseases governments have are of the mind. There is no historical evidence that a government so infected has ever been cured.
You and your diseased ilk, your idols, are the cause of past wars and the wars that will be fought. The UN is no more a solution to war than foxes are the solution to hen-house security. The wars will not cease until the Prince of peace returns, with his saints, in all of his glory.
So let’s have a reality check here. As as child in school I was filled with all kinds of stories about how the U.N. was a great step in civilazation where countries could come together and work to peacefuly resove their differences. But the facts are that this is not the case. The U.N. was financed and promoted by the Rockefeller’s those wonderful banker’s who dream of a New World Order (ie. total unified tyranny under their control).
Their stated goal is to have the U.N. become the seat of global governance . I was also duped into believing Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” which turned out to be “A Convenient Lie”. It misrepresented the facts and was a propaganda routine designed to make Mr. Gore totally rich.
At one point I was so taken in by this slick lie that I produced an award winning video about the evils of global warming. I regret that I did such a thing after having been awakened to the truth.
George Orwell coined the phase “double speak” in his novel 1984. He would be delighted to find that this phrase, which was meant to warn us about such things, is totally valid when applied to the U.N.
Here is a body which conducts “peace keeping missions” by sending in armed troops. Why do they not call this “war keeping missions”.
And they do “humanitarian interventions” which result in killing “humans.”
This entire NWO operation will collapse along with its hypocrisy.
And for those who are concerned with global warming, I would submit that they really do have reason for concern. This organization will continue to bring is closer to the next world war, and once the nukes start to detonate, we will have quite severe global warming.
I applaud Canada for its rejection of this nonsense and hope that rational people everywhere will follow their example. Reject the U.N. Get out. Walk away. Strike a real blow for freedom, for the planet and for humanity.
Sorry guys, but Matt and Trey beat you to it!!
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=CA#/watch?v=0SDrqa-eTXU
Simcoe;
Apparently Matt and Trey have been silenced. All gone!
“Canada is the linchpin of the English-speaking world. Canada, with those relations of friendly, affectionate intimacy with the United States on the one hand and with her unswerving fidelity to the British Commonwealth and the Motherland on the other, is the link which joins together these great branches of the human family, a link which, spanning the oceans, brings the continents into their true relation and will prevent in future generations any growth of division between the proud and the happy nations of Europe and the great countries which have come into existence in the New World.”
Winston Churchill.
This time around, hopefully Canada becomes the example for the English speaking world; the rest can enjoy the windmills and darkness if they choose to be so foolish.