Part 2 – Do Observations and Climate Models Confirm Or Contradict The Hypothesis of Anthropogenic Global Warming?
Guest Post by Bob Tisdale
OVERVIEW
This is the second part of a two-part series. There are, however, two versions of part 1. The first part was originally published as On the SkepticalScience Post “Pielke Sr. Misinforms High School Students”, which was, obviously, a response to the SkepticalScience post Pielke Sr. Misinforms High School Students. That version was also cross posted at WattsUpWithThat asTisdale schools the website “Skeptical Science” on CO2 obsession, where there is at least one comment from a blogger who regularly comments at SkepticalScience. The second version of the post (Do Observations And Climate Models Confirm Or Contradict The Hypothesis of Anthropogenic Global Warming? – Part 1) was freed of all references to the SkepticalScience post, leaving the discussions and comparisons of observed global surface temperatures over the 20th Century and of those hindcast by the climate models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in their 4thAssessment Report (AR4).
INTRODUCTION
The closing comments of the first part of this series read:
The IPCC, in AR4, acknowledges that there were two epochs when global surface temperatures rose during the 20th Century and that they were separated by an epoch when global temperatures were flat, or declined slightly. Yet the forced component of the models the IPCC elected to use in their hindcast discussions rose at a rate that is only one-third the observed rate during the early warming period. This illustrates one of the many failings of the IPCC’s climate models, but it also indicates a number of other inconsistencies with the hypothesis that anthropogenic forcings are the dominant cause of the rise in global surface temperatures over the 20th Century. The failure of the models to hindcast the early rise in global surface temperatures also illustrates that global surface temperatures are capable of varying without natural and anthropogenic forcings. Additionally, since the observed trends of the early and late warming periods during the 20th Century are nearly identical, and since the trend of the forced component of the models is nearly three times greater during the latter warming period than during the early warming period, the data also indicate that the additional anthropogenic forcings that caused the additional trend in the models during the latter warming period had little to no impact on the rate at which observed temperatures rose during the two warming periods. In other words, the climate models do not support the hypothesis of anthropogenic forcing-driven global warming; they contradict it.
In this post, using the “ENSO fit” and “volcano fit” data from Thompson et al (2009), the observations and the model mean data are adjusted to determine if there was any impact of volcanic aerosols and El Niño and La Niña events on the trend comparisons during the four epochs (two warming, two cooling) of the 20thCentury. In another set of comparisons, the HADCRUT observations are replaced with the mean of HADCRUT3, GISS LOTI, and NCDC land-plus-ocean surface temperature anomaly datasets, just to assure readers the disparities between the models and the observations are not a function of the HADCRUT surface temperature observations dataset that was selected by the IPCC. And model projections and observations for global sea surface temperature (SST) anomalies will be compared, but the comparisons are extended back to 1880 to also see if the forced component of the models matches the significant drop in global sea surface temperatures from 1880 to 1910. For these comparisons, the average SST anomalies of five datasets (HADISST, HADSST2, HADSST3, ERSST.v3b, and Kaplan) are used.
But there are two other topics to be discussed before addressing those.
CLARIFICATION ON THE USE OF THE MODEL MEAN
Part 1 provided the following discussion on the use of the mean of the climate model ensemble members.
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The first quote is from a comment made by Gavin Schmidt (climatologist and climate modeler at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies—GISS) on the thread of the RealClimate post Decadal predictions. At comment 49, dated 30 Sep 2009 at 6:18 AM, a blogger posed the question, “If a single simulation is not a good predictor of reality how can the average of many simulations, each of which is a poor predictor of reality, be a better predictor, or indeed claim to have any residual of reality?” Gavin Schmidt replied:
“Any single realisation can be thought of as being made up of two components – a forced signal and a random realisation of the internal variability (‘noise’). By definition the random component will uncorrelated across different realisations and when you average together many examples you get the forced component (i.e. the ensemble mean).”
That quote from Gavin Schmidt will serve as the basis for our use of the IPCC multi-model ensemble mean in the linear trend comparisons that follow the IPCC quotes. As I noted in my recent video The IPCC Says… Part 1 (A Discussion About Attribution), in the slide headed by “What The Multi-Model Mean Represents”, Basically, the Multi-Model (Ensemble) Mean is the IPCC’s best guess estimate of the modeled response to the natural and anthropogenic forcings. In other words, as it pertains to this post, the IPCC model mean represents the (naturally and anthropogenically) forced component of the climate model hindcasts. (Hopefully, this preliminary discussion will suppress the comments by those who feel individual models runs need to be considered.)
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Gavin Schmidt’s use of the word noise resulted in a number of discussions on the thread of the cross post at WattsUpWithThat. There blogger Philip Bradley provided a quote from the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) Geographic Information Systems (GIS) Climate Change Scenarios webpage. The quote also appears on the NCAR GIS Climate Change Scenarios FAQ webpage:
“Climate models are an imperfect representation of the earth’s climate system and climate modelers employ a technique called ensembling to capture the range of possible climate states. A climate model run ensemble consists of two or more climate model runs made with the exact same climate model, using the exact same boundary forcings, where the only difference between the runs is the initial conditions. An individual simulation within a climate model run ensemble is referred to as an ensemble member. The different initial conditions result in different simulations for each of the ensemble members due to the nonlinearity of the climate model system. Essentially, the earth’s climate can be considered to be a special ensemble that consists of only one member. Averaging over a multi-member ensemble of model climate runs gives a measure of the average model response to the forcings imposed on the model. Unless you are interested in a particular ensemble member where the initial conditions make a difference in your work, averaging of several ensemble members will give you best representation of a scenario.”
So, Gavin Schmidt basically used “noise” in place of “variations of the individual ensemble members ‘due to the nonlinearity of the climate model system’”. Noise is much quicker to write. Gavin also used “realisation” instead of “ensemble member”.
In summary, by averaging of all of the ensemble members of the numerous climate models available to them, the IPCC presented what they believe to be the “best representation of a scenario,” as created by the natural and anthropogenic forcings that served as input to the climate models. And again, as it relates to this post, the multi-model ensemble mean represents the (naturally and anthropogenically) forced component of the climate model hindcasts of the 20thCentury.
NOTE ABOUT BASE YEARS
The base years for anomalies of 1901 to 1950 are still being used. Those were the base years selected by the IPCC for their Figure 9.5 in AR4.
A MORE BASIC DESCRIPTION OF WHY THE INSTRUMENT TEMPERATURE RECORD AND CLIMATE MODELS CONTRADICT THE HYPOTHESIS OF ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING
In part 1, we established that the IPCC accepts that Global Surface Temperatures rose during two periods in the 20thCentury, from 1917 to 1944, and from 1976 to 2000. The two periods were separated by a period when global surface temperatures remained relatively flat or dropped slightly, from 1944 to 1976. The IPCC in AR4 used the Hadley Centre’s HADCRUT3 global surface temperature data in their comparisons with the model hindcasts. During the two warming periods, the instrument-based observations of global surface temperatures rose at the same rate, Figure 1, at approximately 0.175 deg C per Decade.
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Climate Models, on the other hand, do not recreate the rate at which global surface temperatures rose during the early warming period. They do well during the late 20th Century warming period, but not the early one. Why? Because Climate Models use what are called forcings as inputs in order to recreate (hindcast) the global surface temperatures during the 20th Century. The climate models attempt to simulate many climate-related processes, as they are programmed, in response to those forcings, and one of the outputs is global surface temperature. Figure 2, as an example, shows the effective radiative forcings employed by the Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS) for its climate model simulations. Refer to the Forcing in GISS Climate Model webpage.
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GISS also provides the datathat represents the Global Mean Net Forcing of all of those individual forcings. Shown again as an example in Figure 3, there is a significant difference in the trends of the forcings during the early and late warming periods. (Note: GISS has updated the forcing data recently, so the data may have been slightly different when the simulations were performed for CMIP3 and the IPCC’s AR4.)
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The GISS Model-ER is one of the many climate models submitted to the archive called CMIP3 from which the IPCC drew its climate simulations for AR4. Figure 4 shows the individual ensemble members and the ensemble mean for the GISS Model-ER global surface temperature hindcasts of the 20thCentury. Basically, GISS ran their climate model 9 times with the climate forcings shown above and those model runs generated the 9 global surface temperature anomaly curves illustrated by the ensemble members. Also shown are the trends of the GISS Model-ER ensemble mean during the early and late warming periods. The difference between the trends of the model ensemble mean during the early and late warming period is not as great as it was for the forcings, but the trend of the ensemble mean (the forced component of the GISS Model-ER) during the late warming period is about twice the trend for the early warming period. According to observations, however, Figure 1, they should be the same.
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For their global surface temperature comparisons in Chapter 9 of AR4, the IPCC included the ensemble members from 11 more climate models in its model mean. And as illustrated in Figure 5, there is a significant disparity between the trends of the model mean during the early warming period and the late warming period. The ensemble mean during the late warming period warmed at a rate that is about 2.9 times faster than the trend of the early warming period—but they should be the same.
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So in summary, for our examples, the net forcings of the GISS climate models rose at a rate that was approximately 3.8 times higher during the late warming period than it was during early warming period, as shown in Figure 3. And let’s assume, still for the sake of example, that the model forcings for the other models were similar to those used by GISS. Then the increased trend in the forcings during the late warming period, Figure 5, caused the model mean to warm almost 2.9 times faster in the late warming period than during the early warming period. But in the observed, instrument-based data, Figure 1, global surface temperatures during the early and late warming periods warmed at the same rate. This clearly indicates that, while the trends of the models during the early and late warming periods are dictated by the natural and anthropogenic forcings that serve as inputs to them, the rates at which observed temperatures rose are not dictated by the forcings. And as discussed in part 1, under the heading of ON THE IPCC’S CONSENSUS (OR LACK THEREOF) ABOUT WHAT CAUSED THE EARLY 20th CENTURY WARMING, the IPCC failed to provide a suitable explanation for why the models failed to rise at the proper rate during the early warming period. The bottom line: the differences between the modeled and the observed rises in global surface temperatures during the two warming periods acknowledged by the IPCC actually contradicts the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming.
ENSO- AND VOLCANO-ADJUSTED OBSERVATIONS AND MODEL MEAN GLOBAL SURFACE TEMPERATURE DATA
I’ve provided this discussion in case there are any anthropogenic global warming proponents who are thinking the additional wiggles in the instrument data caused by the El Niño and La Niña events are causing the disparity between the models and observations during the early warming period. I’m not sure why anyone would think that would be the case, but let’s take a look anyway. We’ll also adjust both datasets for the effects of the volcanic aerosols, and we’ll be adjusting the model and observation-based datasets for the volcanoes by the same amount. To make the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and volcanic aerosol adjustments, we’ll use the “ENSO fit” and “Volcano fit” datasets from the Thompson et al (2008) paper “Identifying signatures of natural climate variability in time series of global-mean surface temperature: Methodology and Insights.”Thompson et al (2009) used HADCRUT3 global surface temperature anomalies, just like the IPCC in AR4, so that’s not a concern. Thompson et al (2009) described their methods as:
“The impacts of ENSO and volcanic eruptions on global-mean temperature are estimated using a simple thermodynamic model of the global atmospheric-oceanic mixed layer response to anomalous heating. In the case of ENSO, the heating is assumed to be proportional to the sea surface temperature anomalies over the eastern Pacific; in the case of volcanic eruptions, the heating is assumed to be proportional to the stratospheric aerosol loading.”
The Thompson et al method assumes global temperatures respond proportionally to ENSO, but even though we understand this to be wrong, we’ll use the data they supplied. (More on why this is wrong later in this post.) Thompson et al (2009) were kind enough to provide data along with their paper. The instructions for use and links to the data are here.
During the late warming period, Figure 6, and the mid-century “flat temperature” period, Figure 7, the trends of the volcano-adjusted Multi-Model Ensemble Mean (the forced component of the models) are reasonably close to the trends of the ENSO- and volcano-adjusted observed global surface temperature anomaly data. During the late warming period, Figure 6, the models slightly underestimate the warming, and during the mid-century “flat temperature” period, Figure 7, the models slightly overestimate the warming. However, as with the other datasets presented in Part 1, the most significant differences show up in the early warming period and the early “flat temperature” period. The trend of the ENSO- and volcano-adjusted global surface temperature anomalies during the early warming period, Figure 8, are about 3.3 times higher than the trend of the volcano-adjusted model data. And during the early “flat temperature” period, Figure 9, the trend of the observation-based data is slightly negative, while the model mean shows a significant positive trend.
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Adjusting the data for ENSO events and volcanic eruptions does not help to cure the ills of the climate models.
USING THE AVERAGE OF GISS, HADLEY CENTRE, AND NCDC GLOBAL SURFACE TEMPERATURE ANOMALY DATA
The IPCC chose to use HADCRUT3 Global Surface Temperature anomaly data for their comparison graph of observational data and model outputs in Chapter 9 of AR4. If we were to replace the HADCRUT3 data with the average of HADCRUT3, GISS Land-Ocean Temperature Index (LOTI) and NCDC Land+Ocean Temperature anomalies, would the model mean better agree with the observations? The trends of the late warming and mid-century “flat temperature” epochs still agree well, and trends of the early warming and early “flat temperature” periods still disagree, as illustrated in Figures 10 through 13.
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So the failure of the models is not dependent on the HADCRUT data.
SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES – THE EARLY DIP AND REBOUND
When I first started to present Sea Surface Temperature anomaly data at my blog, I used the now obsolete ERSST.v2 data, which was available at that time through the NOAA NOMADS website. What I always found interesting was the significant dip from the 1870s to about 1910, Figure 14, and then the rebound from about 1910 to the early 1940s. Global Sea Surface Temperature Anomalies in the late 1800s were comparable to those during the mid 20thCentury “flat temperature” period.
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NOTE: I wrote a post about that dip and reboundback in November 2008. The only reason I refer to it now is to call your attention to the first blogger to leave a comment on that thread. That’s John Cook of SkepticalScience. His explanations about the dip and rebound didn’t work then, and they don’t work now. But back to this post…
That dip and rebound exists to some extent in all current Sea Surface Temperature anomaly datasets, more so in the ERSST.v3b and HADSST2 datasets, and less so in the HADSST3, HADISST, and Kaplan datasets. Refer to Figure 15.
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So how well do the model mean of the forcing-driven climate models compare with the long-term variations in Global Sea Surface Temperature anomalies? We’ll use the average of the long-term Sea Surface Temperature datasets that are available through the KNMI Climate Explorer, excluding the obsolete ERSST.v2. The datasets included are ERSST.v3b, HADISST, HADSST2, HADSST3, and Kaplan. And you will note in the graphs that the number of models has decreased from 12 to 11. TOS (Sea Surface Temperature) data for the MRI CGCM 2.3.2 was not available through the KNMI Climate Explorer. This reduces the ensemble members by 5 or about 10%, which should have little impact on these results, as you shall see. And you’ll also note that the years of the changeover from cooling to warming epochs and vice versa are different with the sea surface temperature data. The changeover years are 1910 (instead of 1917), 1944, and 1975 (instead of 1976).
As one would expect, the forced component of the models (the model mean) does a reasonable job of hindcasting the trend in sea surface temperatures during the late warming period, Figure 16, and also during the mid-century “flat temperature” period, Figure 17. The trend of the model mean during the early warming period, Figure 18, however, is only about 33% of the observed trend in the mean of the global surface temperature anomaly datasets. That failing is similar to the land-plus-sea surface temperature data. And then there’s the early cooling period, the dip of the dip and rebound, Figure 19. The model mean shows a slight warming during that period, while the observed Sea Surface Temperature anomaly mean has a significant negative trend. Yet another failing of the models.
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THE IMPACT OF THE 1945 DISCONTINUITY CORRECTION
If you were to scroll up to the Sea Surface Temperature dataset comparison, Figure 15, you’ll note how the HADSST3 data is the only Sea Surface Temperature anomaly dataset that has been corrected for the 1945 discontinuity, which was presented in the previously linked paper Thompson et al (2009). Raising the Sea Surface Temperature anomalies during the initial years of the mid-century flat temperature period has a significant impact on the observed linear trend for that epoch. And as one would expect, the trend of the model mean no longer comes close to agreeing with the HADSST3 data during the mid-century “flat temperature” period, because the observed temperature anomalies are no longer flat, as illustrated in Figure 20.
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ENSO INDICES DO NOT REPRESENT THE PROCESS OF ENSO
Earlier in the post I noted that Thompson et al (2009) had assumed global temperatures respond proportionally to ENSO, and that that assumption was wrong. I have been illustrating that fact in numerous ways in dozens of posts over the past (almost) three years. The most recent discussions appeared in the following two-part series that I wrote at an introductory level:
ENSO Indices Do Not Represent The Process Of ENSO Or Its Impact On Global Temperature
AND:
DO OBSERVATIONS AND CLIMATE MODELS CONFIRM OR CONTRADICT THE HYPOTHESIS OF ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING?
Just in case you missed the obvious answer to the title question of this two-part post, the answer is they contradict the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming. The climate models presented by the IPCC in AR4 show how global surface temperatures should have risen during the 20th Century if surface temperatures were driven by natural and by anthropogenic forcings. As illustrated in Figure 5, the climate models show that surface temperatures during the late 20th Century warming period, from 1976 to 2000, should have risen at a rate that was approximately 2.9 higher than the rate at which they warmed during the early warming period of 1917 to 1944. But, as shown in Figure 1, the observed rates at which global temperatures rose during the two warming periods of the 20thCentury were the same, at approximately 0.175 deg C/decade.
CLOSING
In this post we illustrated that…
1. regardless of whether we adjust global surface temperature data for ENSO and volcanic aerosols,
2. regardless of whether we use the global surface temperature dataset presented by the IPCC in AR4 (HADCRUT3) or use the average of the GISS, Hadley Centre, and NCDC datasets, and
3. regardless of whether we examine global land-plus-sea surface temperature data or only global sea surface temperature data
…the model mean (the forced component) of the coupled ocean-atmosphere climate models selected by the IPCC for presentation in their 4thAssessment Report CANNOT reproduce:
1. the rate at which global surface temperatures fell during the early 20thCentury “flat temperature” period, or
2. the rate at which global surface temperatures warmed during the early 20thCentury warming period.
The model mean (the forced component) of those same climate models CANNOT reproduce the rate at which global surface temperatures fell during the mid-20thCentury “flat temperature” period if the Sea Surface Temperature data during that period have been corrected for the “1945 discontinuity” discussed in the paper Thompson et al (2009).
As illustrated and discussed in parts 1 and 2 of this post, global surface temperatures can obviously warm and cool over multidecadal time periods at rates that are far different than the forced component of the climate models used by the IPCC. This indicates that those variations in global surface temperature, which can last for 2 or 3 decades, or longer, are not dependent on the forcings that were prepared solely to make the climate models operate. What then is the purpose of using those same models, based on assumed future forcings, to project climate decades and centuries out into the future? The forcings-driven climate models have shown no skill whatsoever at replicating the past, so why is it assumed they would be useful when projecting the future?
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SOURCES
NOTE: The Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute (KNMI) recent revised the security settings of their Climate Explorer website. You will likely have to log in or registerto use it. For basic information on the use of this valuable tool, refer to the post Very Basic Introduction To The KNMI Climate Explorer.
The sea surface temperature and combined land+sea surface temperature datasets are found at the Monthly observationswebpage of the KNMI Climate Explorer, and the model data is found at their Monthly CMIP3+ scenario runswebpage.
For the Global HADSST2 data, I used the data available through the UK Met Office website, specifically the annual global time-series data that is found at this webpage, then changed the base years for the anomalies to 1901-1950.




















Thank you very much Bob for your excellent artice. For years I have looked in amazement at the attempts of the climate modelers. It seems to me that some climate modelers, whether they know it or not, have been attempting to create a computerized climate Oracle, one whose pronouncements cannot be questioned. I think that computer models can be useful in educating us about some of the physical processes that lead to phenomena we observe in weather, but to try to attempt at this time with the data that we have, and the computer power available, is along the lines of a fools task. We should be working dilligently on the many physics input modules to the weather models, but in stead much time is spent arguing about a half wit Oracle that has few input facts, and is sometimes even fed lies. It seems to me that at this time all we can do is to try to make some semi quantitative sense of what we have observed in a short time scale slightly longer that weather.
R. Gates says: In response to my statement in the post, “The failure of the models to hindcast the early rise in global surface temperatures also illustrates that global surface temperatures are capable of varying without natural and anthropogenic forcings. ”
You wrote, “No, this is incorrect…”
Actually, it’s quite correct. And anyone who has studied the processes that contributed to the variations in the instrument temperature record understands why it’s correct.
You concluded with, “Hence the edict (that even Trenberth has agreed to many times over): Models are never true (i.e. they never fully capture reality in every detail), so they should not be judged by this metric, but in accordance with how useful they are by capturing enough of the dynamics to have some predictive ability.”
Your argument does not hold up very well. If the models cannot be judged by the metric of truth because “they never fully capture reality in every detail,” there is no way to determine “how useful they are [at] capturing enough of the dynamics to have some predictive ability.” In other words, if the models have shown no skill at reproducing the past because they have not captured “enough of the dynamics”, then certainly it cannot be assumed that they have captured “enough of the dynamics” to be useful at projecting the future.
Concerning the radiative forcings graphic. Note the 2 large negative forcings, tropospheric aerosols and aerosol indirect effect (which is aerosol seeded clouds).
Their effect in the models is to reduce the GHG forcing by about 2/3rds and make the model output in line with actual temperatures, at least in the 1970-2000 period.
There are multiple issues with these 2 negative forcings, with numerous papers asserting the values of the forcings are likely wrong and the actual effects of aerosols on climate highly uncertain.
In the models they are used as ‘fiddle factors’ to get more or less the right answer for the 1970-200 period.
What Bob shows above is that the Forcings model (even with the dubious aerosol fiddle factors) is incapable of predicting 20th century temperatures. There are only 2 explanations for this. One is that the Forcings model is wrong. The other is that the temperature record contains large errors. Of course, both could be true.
When I say the Forcings model is wrong, I mean the theory itself is wrong, irrespective of the accuracy or otherwise of the climate models.
Bob, you might want to replace the word ‘epoch’. Like many english words it has multiple meanings, but is usually used to mean ‘an instant of time’.
Bob you cannot simply
compare model means to observations with first accounting for the differences in coverage.
That is, when you look at GISS or HADCRUT or any other index for the early years you
should realize that the spatial sample of those series is overweighted to the northern latitudes.
Since northern latitudes trends are higher than mid latitude and lower latitude trends, the figures we see in the 1900-1940 period is likely to be an over estimate of the actual global warming.
The model means are derived from a full global average. That is, all lats and lons are sampled.
So you cannot simply compare the observations ( which overweight the northern latitudes) to
the model means which use the entire globe
To compare model means with observation means especially over early periods you have to adopt the following methodology. You, have to take the model mean over the same grids that go into the observational mean. Then you have a valid comparison. The proceedure is laid out in chapert 9 of Ar4 ( maybe in the SI )
Brian H.: I actually composed the post in Word, but when I pasted it something happened in addition to losing all the formatting. Somehow the summary was inserted twice. My apologies.
R. Gates says:
“If you take away natural and anthropogenic forcings, what else is there that can alter the climate?”
Nice misdirect. Any particular temperature reading is not “climate”, but rather weather. Even a year’s worth of averages is not “climate”, I would consider a decade of records as indicating climatic norms (although I hear we’re stretching that out to 17 years due to climate cooperation issues these days). So, to rephrase your question, if you take away all forcings (other than super-natural), what else is there that can alter the global average temperature? Well, to name just one, thermal inertia variations within the various mediums of the system as a whole would still be manifested in global average temperature variations. In other words, if we were able to hold all forcings completely constant there would still be variations in global average temperature due to the enormous complexity and variability of the way heat moves through the various sub-systems of the super-system that is almost laughably what we call Earth’s Climate as if it were as simple as a air conditioning system.
“ENSO is hardly random, but has real physical causes.”
Please list, starting with why the trade winds weaken.
“The failure of the models to hindcast the early rise in global surface temperatures also illustrates that global surface temperatures are capable of varying without natural and anthropogenic forcings. ”
Bob is correct in this statement, which is the crux of the issue.
It doesn’t matter how well the the climate models predict the 1970-2000 warming, because Bob shows there are periods of comparable length where the models have no predictive value.
Thus there is no evidence that the models have any predictive value over any time period.
I didn’t know there was a discipline on forecasting methods which had established principles, until I read this:
GLOBAL WARMING: FORECASTS BY SCIENTISTS
VERSUS SCIENTIFIC FORECASTS
by
Kesten C. Green and J. Scott Armstrong
http://www.forecastingprinciples.com/files/WarmAudit31.pdf
How come the IPCC missed this relevant body of science knowledge out of their mix..?
RichieP says:
December 12, 2011 at 11:48 am
markus says:
December 12, 2011 at 11:23 am
‘Hiding mistakes is not a good look Mr Watts.’
“”You guys should know, as we’ve discovered in spades. Cheap ad hom, the usual trollish tosh””.
Cheap ad hom if I ever saw one. I’m not one of the guys, Richie.
In fact, I was surprised Mr Watts posted my note to him in this tread. Would you claim that Climate models are unbalanced by modelling from partial records? Your statement does not take into account my opinion posted in the tread that was discontinued?
Balance mate, without it, this Blog would be just like Real Climate.
“If you take away natural and anthropogenic forcings, what else is there that can alter the climate?”
There are 3 answers to this.
1. Natural, internal to the climate, cycles
2. The climate modellers effectively define a forcing to be anything they think is a forcing. There may well be additional forcings not currently accounted for, such as galactic cosmic rays, which even Real Climate seems to concede affects climate.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/04/aerosol-effects-and-climate-part-ii-the-role-of-nucleation-and-cosmic-rays/
3. Anything that affects feedbacks. In particular, anything that affects the phase changes of water. Although, after point 2, the definition of a forcing has been (apparently) expanded to include changes to feedbacks. Indirect aerosol effects is in part, a change in cloud feedback. Black carbon affects the snow/ice albedo feedback.
Mosher:
I agree, if you the principles behind GIGO you can get any answer you want. Just like they did for the model mean.
Brian H says: “One possible take is that the list of “forcing” candidates is incomplete. A “failure of imagination”??”
Or far too much imagination.
G. Karst says: “So glad to see you summarizing your important conclusions at the end of your reports. It really helps tie it all together. Thanks!”
Amen². Like the teacher whose students scored highly on state exams said: “First I tell ’em what I’m gonna tell ’em, an’ then I tell ’em, an’ then I tell ’em what I told ’em.”
George E. Smith; says: “…So if you are into string theory, and/or parallel universes, or even intelligent life in THE universe, what are you going to tell your grandchildren on your death bed, that you did for the good of mankind ??”
How about: “I didn’t publish with Michael Mann?”
John West says: “…Please list, starting with why the trade winds weaken.”
May I guess? Is it the will of Aeolus, God of the Winds? Or upwelling cold water raising the density and viscosity of eastern Pacific ocean and atmosphere?
Bob Tisdale:
I believe you have fallen into a commonly held fallacy that makes the IPCC’s conjecture appear to be testable when it is not. The test of a conjecture features a comparison of the predicted outcomes of independent statistical events to those observed.
The IPCC’s conjecture fails to be testable in two ways. These are:
1) While the IPCC’s models make projections, they do not make predictions and,
2) The independent observed statistical events are not identified by the IPCC.
The IPCC’s conjecture does not rise to the level of a “hypothesis” because it is not testable. I’d be pleased to amplify my remarks if this would be of interest to anyone.
R. Gates wrote:
This is true only if you define Climate as the ensemble of all random-walks, including weather and longer term variability. If that is your definition, then whether or not we actually know Earth’s current climate is at best in dispute.
My own personal take is that while Tisdale has done good work, it should not have been necessary. I offer that if the GCMs have an ensemble average instantaneous value (such as cloud cover) that does not approximate the observed average value, they do not actually represent current climate. Forecasting, and even hindcasting are unnecessary if the present can’t be modeled correctly.
steven mosher says: “Bob you cannot simply compare model means to observations with first accounting for the differences in coverage…”
Actually, I can and did and I’ve explained why. My discussions in this post and in Part 1 are in agreement with the IPCC’s depictions and discussions of the model replication of GLOBAL Surface Temperatures in Chapter 9 of AR4, specifically about their Figure 9.5. I initially used Global HADCRUT because the IPCC used it. And I used the global ensemble member mean of the CCSM3, ECHO-G, GFDL-CM2.0, GFDL-CM2.1, GISS-EH, GISS-ER, INM-CM3.0, MIROC3.2(medres), MRI-CGCM2.3.2, PCM, UKMO-HadCM3, and UKMO-HadGEM1 models because the IPCC used them. I divided the surface temperature record into two warming and two “flat temperature” periods because the IPCC described those periods in chapter 3 of AR4. If I had selected other models, other time periods, and another observations dataset, I would have had complaints about those.
With respect to your closing note about the use of model data for only the grids in which observational data appears, as you should be aware, there is little difference during the 20th Century between observation-based Surface Temperature datasets that use only the grids in which data appears like HADCRUT, and those that infill using 1200km smoothing like GISS LOTI, or infill using EOF analyses like the NCDC’s Land+Ocean data. So that additional part of the IPCC analysis, while its nice because it has additional detail, it has little bearing on the results of this post.
But if that difference still concerns you, I’ve already plotted and compared the data. The multi-model ensemble mean of the IPCC Figure 9.5 is based solely on only those grids, and that data provided similar results to those illustrated in this post. I presented them in the post “The IPCC Says… – The Video – Part 1 (A Discussion About Attribution)”:
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/the-ipcc-says-the-video-part-1/
Here’s the late warming period:
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/figure-2-late-warming.png
And the mid-20th century “flat temperature” period:
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/figure-3-mid-flat.png
And the early warming period:
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/figure-4-early-warming.png
And the early “flat temperature” period:
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/figure-5-early-flat.png
Thanx Bob. After these series of posts I think I have a better understanding of “ensemble” model runs.
Let me see if I can put myself in the shoes of an IPCC climate modeller.
* We start with what we think we know i.e. GHG forcings. We run the model. Oh oh, it’s way way out. So now we adjust/tweak/fudge the forcings and feedbacks that we know not much at all about.
* Now that’s more like it, we got the 2nd half of the 20thC not bad at all. But the 1st half of the 20thC is way way out.
* But that’s OK, because we stated that we know not much about all the other forcings/feedbacks, we have ourselves a free ticket to adjust them as much as we like.
* That’s a little better, even though the late 20thC is not as good as the first run, the early 20thC is quite a bit better (though still not much chop) but that’s OK, people will focus on the recent years rather than the early years.
* Yep all good. We’ve run out of time and money anyhow. This will have to do for the AR4. We’ll get away with it, it’s not like some amateur blogger is going to be capable of deciphering all this anyway.
* “Hey Pachy!! we got the proof you wanted”
Bob et. al.,
You still seem to have missed the bigger point– the failure of models to fully capture various dynamics (i.e. Interactions of real forcings) is not because those forcings are not there. The only thing that alters the climate is a forcing, natural or anthropogenic. There is no random walk in the climate. Chaotic systems are still deterministic. Not to pick on anyone, but this quote illustrates the absurdity of trying to put off the issue of a forcing. The quote is from John West, who tries to find an alternative to a forcing, and says:
” Well, to name just one, thermal inertia variations within the various mediums of the system as a whole would still be manifested in global average temperature variations. In other words, if we were able to hold all forcings completely constant there would still be variations in global average temperature due to the enormous complexity and variability of the way heat moves through…”
What he talking about here is Chaos, and despite some people’s confusion about it, Chaotic systems are still deterministic, and not random walks. A combination of forcings in a dynamical chaotic system, still are forcings, and the only kind are natural or anthropogenic, which are of course one in the same as humans are a natural part of the universe.
I believe you will find that a graph of NASCAR attendance neatly fit the rise in temperature change from 1975 to 2005. Do the models include increases in spectator sport attendance as a forcing parameter? I believe the 1910 to 1940 rise can be attributed to baseball.
R. Gates says: “You still seem to have missed the bigger point– the failure of models to fully capture various dynamics (i.e. Interactions of real forcings) is not because those forcings are not there…”
And you still miss the obvious. If the models fail to “fully capture various dynamics (i.e. Interactions of real forcings)”, and because of that failure, they are unable to replicate the past variations in global surface temperature, the failure of the models to “fully capture various dynamics (i.e. Interactions of real forcings)” would also indicate that they serve no purpose as a tool to project future global surface temperatures.
R. Gates says:
“tries to find an alternative to a forcing”
No, I’m trying to 1) explain the difference between an attribute of climate (global average temperature) and climate; and 2) show how variations in global average temperature although the result of forcings and feedbacks are not homogeneously manifested throughout the climate.
Again, if we were able to hold all forcings constant how long would it take for the average global temperature to stabilize to the point where it would be exactly the same year after year? That’s what you’re saying would happen.
“What he talking about here is Chaos”
Again, no, chaos describes a system in which very slight changes in initial conditions make huge differences in results. I’ve seen no evidence that the climate is chaotic, even though it is very complicated.
Bob,
You’ve not addressed at all the key issue I had with your summary from part 1, where you said:
“The failure of the models to hindcast the early rise in global surface temperatures also illustrates that global surface temperatures are capable of varying without natural and anthropogenic forcings. ”
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So, please give an example of global surface temperatures varying without some natural or anthropogenic forcing. The failure of models to accurately hindcast has nothing to do with the actual causes behind global temperature variations, but everything to do with how thorough the models have captured those forcings. The point is, there will always be causes, as those variations are not a random walk. Otherwise, the entire study of climate is no better than studying a roulette wheel. ( and sadly, some skeptics probably believe that).
Gates, let an expert explain it for you:
Skeptics understand that climate is not like a roulette wheel. It’s the UN/IPCC that peddles that sort of nonsense.
R. Gates wrote:
Suggesting that statement applies to weather and climate is a very serious claim. If you have a sufficient grasp of physics to prove that, I believe Carl XVI Gustaf has a medal for you.
That is a distinct possibility under the current state of “Climate Science”. Bob and everyone else is doing their best to change that state. Won’t you become part of the solution… instead of part of the problem. GK
So, please give an example of global surface temperatures varying without some natural or anthropogenic forcing.
That obviously can’t be done. You asking for proof of absence of an undefined list of forcings.
The failure of models to accurately hindcast has nothing to do with the actual causes behind global temperature variations, but everything to do with how thorough the models have captured those forcings.
You appear to be positing some future incarnation of the forcings model that axiomatically will accurately hindcast. Bob and others are obviously referring to the current incarnation of the forcings model.
And I’ll note you haven’t addressed my point that climate can be affected by factors that affect feedbacks. Unless you say all factors affecting feedbacks are automatically forcings. But then it starts to look tautological.
You appear to me to be saying that in a deterministic system there are always causes, which of course I agree with, and any cause that affects temperature is automatically a forcing. Not a very helpful definition IMO.