Climate scientists and their excuses

Candid Comments From Climate Scientists

By Dr. Roger Pielke Sr.

There is  a news release by Paul Voosen on Greenwire titled

Provoked scientists try to explain lag in global warming (Tuesday, October 25, 2011)

There are some interesting quotes from climate scientists in this article that highlight a large degree of uncertainty with respect to the climate system, and the human role in it, even among scientists closely involved with the IPCC reports.  The long article focuses on the question

 ‘Why, despite steadily accumulating greenhouse gases, did the rise of the planet’s temperature stall for the past decade?”

Interesting quotes and text {rearranged to order the persons’ quoted; I highly recommend reading the entire article  include [highlight added]:

From John Barnes [Barnes’s specialty is measuring stratospheric aerosols].

If you look at the last decade of global temperature, it’s not increasing,” Barnes said. “There’s a lot of scatter to it. But the [climate] models go up. And that has to be explained. Why didn’t we warm up?”

Barnes has kept a lonely watch for 20 years [at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii]. Driving the winding, pothole-strewn road to this government-run lab, he has spent evening after evening waiting for the big one. His specialty is measuring stratospheric aerosols, reflective particles caused by volcanoes that are known to temporarily cool the planet. Only the most violent volcanic eruptions are able to loft emissions above the clouds, scientists thought, and so Barnes, after building the laser, waited for his time.

To this day, there hasn’t been a major volcanic eruption since 1991, when Mount Pinatubo scorched the Philippines, causing the Earth to cool by about a half degree for several years. But Barnes diligently monitored this radio silence, identifying the background level of particles in the stratosphere. And then, sitting in his prefab lab four years ago, not far from where Charles Keeling first made his historic measure of rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, Barnes saw something odd in his aerosol records.

Barnes laments the boggling complexity of separating all the small forcings on the climate. It makes Charles Keeling’s careful work identifying rising CO2 levels seem downright simple.

“It’s really subtle,” he said. “It’s hard to track how much is going into the oceans, because the oceans are soaking up some of the heat. And in a lot of places the measurements just aren’t accurate enough. We do have satellites that can measure the energy budget, but there’s still assumptions there. There’s assumptions about the oceans, because we don’t have a whole lot of measurements in the ocean.”

From Jean-Paul  Vernier

Five years ago, a balloon released over Saharan sands changed Jean-Paul Vernier’s life.

Climbing above the baked sand of Niger, the balloon, rigged to catch aerosols, the melange of natural and man-made particles suspended in the atmosphere, soared above the clouds and into the stratosphere. There, Vernier expected to find clear skies; after all, there had been no eruption like Pinatubo for more than a decade. But he was wrong. Twelve miles up, the balloon discovered a lode of aerosols.

Vernier had found one slice of the trend identified by Barnes at Mauna Loa in Hawaii. It was astonishing. Where could these heat-reflecting aerosols be originating? Vernier was unsure, but Barnes and his team hazarded a guess when announcing their finding. It was, they suggested, a rapidly increasing activity in China that has drawn plenty of alarm.

A French scientist who moved to NASA’s Langley Research Center in Virginia to study aerosols, Vernier, like Barnes, turned toward a laser to understand these rogue sulfates. But rather than using a laser lashed to the ground, he used a laser in space.

The same year as the Niger balloon campaign, NASA had launched a laser-equipped satellite aimed at observing aerosols among the clouds. Vernier and his peers suspected, with enough algorithmic ingenuity, that they could get the laser, CALIPSO, to speak clearly about the stratosphere. The avalanche of data streaming out of the satellite was chaotic — too noisy for Barnes’ taste, when he took a look — but several years on, Vernier had gotten a hold of it. He had found an answer.

Mostly, the aerosols didn’t seem to be China’s fault.

From Kevin Trenberth

The hiatus [in warming] was not unexpected. Variability in the climate can suppress rising temperatures temporarily, though before this decade scientists were uncertain how long such pauses could last. In any case, one decade is not long enough to say anything about human effects on climate; as one forthcoming paper lays out, 17 years is required.

For some scientists, chalking the hiatus up to the planet’s natural variability was enough. Temperatures would soon rise again, driven up inexorably by the ever-thickening blanket thrown on the atmosphere by greenhouse gases. People would forget about it.

But for others, this simple answer was a failure. If scientists were going to attribute the stall to natural variability, they faced a burden to explain, in a precise way, how this variation worked. Without evidence, their statements were no better than the unsubstantiated theories circulated by climate skeptics on the Internet.

“It has always bothered me,” said Kevin Trenberth, head of the climate analysis section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. “Natural variability is not a cause. One has to say what aspect of natural variability.”

Until 2003, scientists had a reasonable understanding where the sun’s trapped heat was going; it was reflected in rising sea levels and temperatures. Since then, however, heat in the upper ocean has barely increased and the rate of sea level rise slowed, while data from a satellite monitoring incoming and outgoing heat — the Earth’s energy budget — found that an ever increasing amount of energy should be trapped on the planet. (Some scientists question relying on this satellite data too heavily, since the observed energy must be drastically revised downward, guided by climate models.) Given this budget ostensibly included the solar cycle and aerosols, something was missing.

Where was the heat going? Trenberth repeated the question time and again.

Recently, working with Gerald Meehl and others, Trenberth proposed one answer. In a paper published last month, they put forward a climate model showing that decade-long pauses in temperature rise, and its attendant missing energy, could arise by the heat sinking into the deep, frigid ocean waters, more than 2,000 feet down. The team used a new model, one prepared for the next U.N. climate assessment; unlike past models, it handles the Pacific’s variability well, which ”seems to be important,” Trenberth said.

“In La Niña, the colder sea surface temperatures in the Pacific mean there is less convective action there — fewer tropical storms, etc., and less clouds, but thus more sun,” he said. “The heat goes into the ocean but gets moved around by the ocean currents. So ironically colder conditions lead to more heat being sequestered.”

It is a compelling illustration of how natural variability, at least in this model, could overcome the influence of increasing greenhouse gases for a decade or more, several scientists said. However, according to one prominent researcher — NASA’s Hansen — it’s a search for an answer that doesn’t need to be solved.

That is because, according to Hansen, there is no missing energy.

Trenberth questions whether the Argo measurements are mature enough to tell as definite a story as Hansen lays out. He has seen many discrepancies among analyses of the data, and there are still “issues of missing and erroneous data and calibration,” he said. The Argo floats are valuable, he added, but “they’re not there yet.”

From Susan Solomon

“What’s really been exciting to me about this last 10-year period is that it has made people think about decadal variability much more carefully than they probably have before,” said Susan Solomon, an atmospheric chemist and former lead author of the United Nations’ climate change report, during a recent visit to MIT. “And that’s all good. There is no silver bullet. In this case, it’s four pieces or five pieces of silver buckshot.”

Already Solomon had shown that between 2000 and 2009, the amount of water vapor in the stratosphere declined by about 10 percent. This decline, caused either by natural variability — perhaps related to El Niño — or as a feedback to climate change, likely countered 25 percent of the warming that would have been caused by rising greenhouse gases. (Some scientists have found that estimate to be high.) Now, another dynamic seemed to be playing out above the clouds.

In a paper published this summer, Solomon, Vernier and others brought these discrete facts to their conclusion, estimating that these aerosols caused a cooling trend of 0.07 degrees Celsius over the past decade. Like the water vapor, it was not a single answer, but it was a small player. These are the type of low-grade influences that future climate models will have to incorporate, Livermore’s Santer said.

Solomon was surprised to see Vernier’s work. She remembered the Soufrière eruption, thinking “that one’s never going to make it into the stratosphere.” The received wisdom then quickly changed. ”You can actually see that all these little eruptions, which we thought didn’t matter, were mattering,” she said.

From Jim Hansen

These revelations are prompting the science’s biggest names to change their views.

Indeed, the most important outcome from the energy hunt may be that researchers are chronically underestimating air pollution’s reflective effect, said NASA’s James Hansen, head of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

Recent data has forced him to revise his views on how much of the sun’s energy is stored in the oceans, committing the planet to warming. Instead, he says, air pollution from fossil fuel burning, directly and indirectly, has been masking greenhouse warming more than anyone knew.

It was in no “way affected by the nonsensical statements of contrarians,” Hansen said. “These are fundamental matters that the science has always been focused on. The problem has been the absence of [scientific] observations.”

NASA’s Hansen disputes that worry about skeptics drove climate scientists to ignore the sun’s climate influence. His team, he said, has “always included solar forcing based on observations and Judith’s estimates for the period prior to accurate observations.”

“That makes the sun a bit more important, because the solar variability modulates the net planetary energy imbalance,” Hansen said. “But the solar forcing is too small to make the net imbalance negative, i.e., solar variations are not going to cause global cooling.”

“Unfortunately, when we focus on volcanic aerosol forcing, solar forcing and stratospheric water vapor changes, it is a case of looking for our lost keys under the streetlight,” Hansen said. “What we need to look at is the tropospheric aerosol forcing, but it is not under the street light.”

“I suspect that there has been increased aerosols with the surge in coal use over the past half decade or so,” he said. “There is semi-quantitative evidence of that in the regions where it is expected. Unfortunately, the problem is that we are not measuring aerosols well enough to determine their forcing and how it is changing.”

More fundamentally, the Argo probe data has prompted Hansen to revise his understanding of how the climate works in a fundamental way, a change he lays out in a sure-to-be-controversial paper to be published later this year.

For decades, scientists have known that most of the heat trapped by greenhouse gases was going into the ocean, not the atmosphere; as a result, even if emissions stopped tomorrow, they said, the atmosphere would continue to warm as it sought balance with the overheated oceans. In a term Hansen coined, this extra warming would be “in the pipeline,” its effects lingering for years and years. But exactly how much warming would be in the pipeline depended on how efficiently heat mixed down into the oceans.

Hansen now believes he has an answer: All the climate models, compared to the Argo data and a tracer study soon to be released by several NASA peers, exaggerate how efficiently the ocean mixes heat into its recesses. Their unanimity in this efficient mixing could be due to some shared ancestry in their code. Whatever the case, it means that climate models have been overestimating the amount of energy in the climate, seeking to match the surface warming that would occur with efficient oceans. They were solving a problem, Hansen says, that didn’t exist.

At first glance, this could easily sound like good news, if true. But it’s not.

“Less efficient mixing, other things being equal, would mean that there is less warming ‘in the pipeline,’” Hansen said. “But it also implies that the negative aerosol forcing is probably larger than most models assumed. So the Faustian aerosol bargain is probably more of a problem than had been assumed.”

From John Daniel [a researcher at the Earth System Research Lab of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration]

When the record came in 1998, though, scientists faltered. It’s a pattern often seen with high temperatures. They cut out too much nuance, said John Daniel, a researcher at the Earth System Research Lab of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

“We make a mistake, anytime the temperature goes up, you imply this is due to global warming,” he said. “If you make a big deal about every time it goes up, it seems like you should make a big deal about every time it goes down.”

From Ben Santer

For a decade, that’s exactly what happened. Skeptics made exaggerated claims about “global cooling,” pointing to 1998. (For one representative example, two years ago columnist George Will referred to 1998 as warming’s “apogee.”) Scientists had to play defense, said Ben Santer, a climate modeler at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

“This no-warming-since-1998 discussion has prompted people to think about the why and try to understand the why,” Santer said. “But it’s also prompted people to correct these incorrect claims.”

“Susan’s stuff is particularly important,” Santer said. “Even if you have the hypothetical perfect model, if you leave out the wrong forcings, you will get the wrong answer.”

From Judith Lean

The answer to the hiatus, according to Judith Lean, is all in the stars. Or rather, one star.

Only recently have climate modelers followed how that 0.1 percent can influence the world’s climate over decade-long spans. (According to best estimates, it gooses temperatures by 0.1 degrees Celsius.) Before then, the sun, to quote the late comedian Rodney Dangerfield, got no respect, according to Lean, a voluble solar scientist working out of the the space science division of the Naval Research Laboratory, a radar-bedecked facility tucked away down in the southwest tail of Washington, D.C.

Climate models failed to reflect the sun’s cyclical influence on the climate and “that has led to a sense that the sun isn’t a player,” Lean said. “And that they have to absolutely prove that it’s not a player.”

According to Lean, the combination of multiple La Niñas and the solar minimum, bottoming out for an unusually extended time in 2008 from its peak in 2001, are all that’s needed to cancel out the increased warming from rising greenhouse gases. Now that the sun has begun to gain in activity again, Lean suspects that temperatures will rise in parallel as the sun peaks around 2014.

This consistent trend has prompted Lean to take a rare step for a climate scientist: She’s made a short-term prediction. By 2014, she projects global surface temperatures to increase by 0.14 degrees Celsius, she says, driven by human warming and the sun.

From Graeme Stephens

Over the past decade, for the first time, scientists have had access to reliable measures of the ocean’s deep heat, down to 5,000 feet below sea level, through the Argo network, a collection of several thousand robotic probes that, every few days, float up and down through the water column. This led Hansen to conclude that net energy imbalance was, to be briefly technical, 0.6 watts per square meter, rather than more than 1 watt per square meter, as some had argued.

(Recently, the satellite group measuring the energy imbalance has revised its figure, which now sits at 0.6 watts, matching Hansen’s estimate, according to Graeme Stephens, the head of NASA’s Cloudsat mission. It suggests there isn’t a missing energy. Trenberth disagrees with this analysis, and it’s likely to be a question of ongoing debate.)

From Robert Kaufmann

This past summer, Robert Kaufmann, the BU geographer, made waves when he released a modeling study suggesting that the hiatus in warming could be due entirely to El Niño and increased sulfates from China’s coal burning. While the figures Kaufmann used for the study were based on the country’s coal combustion, and not actual emissions — a big point of uncertainty — many scientists saw some truth in his assertions.

From Martin Wild

During the 1980s and ’90s, the rapid decline of air pollution in the United States and Europe dominated the world’s aerosol trends. While those emissions have continued to decline in the West, returns, from a brightening standpoint, have diminished, just as coal combustion ramped up in Asia. It’s not that the world is getting dimmer again; it’s that it’s no longer getting brighter.

“It’s not an obvious overall trend anymore,” said Martin Wild, a lead author of the United Nations’ next climate assessment at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich. But, he added, “it fits quite well with [coal power] generation. For me, it’s quite striking that it seems to fit quite nicely. But it could still be by chance.”

From Daniel Jacobs

Kaufmann’s findings may only be relevant for so long. Since 2006, China has begun to mandate scrubbers for its coal-fired power plants, though it is uncertain how often the scrubbers, even when installed, are operated. But change is coming, said Daniel Jacob, an atmospheric chemist at Harvard University.

“The sulfate sources have been leveling off, because they’ve been starting to put serious emission controls on their power plants,” Jacob said. “It’s interesting. When you look at the future emission scenarios from the [next U.N. climate report], you see SO2 emissions dropping like a rock, even in the coming decades. Because basically China is going to have to do something about its public health problem.”

The end of the article highlights the developing debate among even these scientists.

“….many of the scientists sorting out the warming hiatus disagree with one another – in a chummy, scholarly way. Judith Lean, the solar scientist, finds Kaufmann’s work unpersuasive and unnecessarily critical of China. Kaufmann finds Solomon’s stratosphere studies lacking in evidence. Hansen and Trenberth can’t agree on a budget.

It seems staggering, then, that in a few years’ time a new consensus will form for the next U.N. climate change report. But it will, and lurking beneath it will remain, as always, the churning theories and rivalries, the questions, the grist of scientific life.

So, in the end, can anyone say explicitly what caused the warming hiatus?

“All of these things contribute to the relative muted warming,” Livermore’s Santer said. “The difficultly is figuring out the relative contribution of these things. You can’t do that without systematic modeling and experimentation. I would hope someone will do that.”

Barnes, for his part, would love to separate whether any background aerosols he found tucked away in the stratosphere came from Chinese coal burning. It is difficult to figure out, but he has some hope it could happen.

“Maybe when coal burning triples,” he said, “then we might sort it out.”

These extracts from the Greenwire article illustrate why the climate system is not yet well understood. The science is NOT solved.

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Gail Combs
October 27, 2011 4:22 pm

I love the Hansen quote “air pollution from fossil fuel burning, directly and indirectly, has been masking greenhouse warming more than anyone knew.”
Now think about it. This means that CAGW is SOLVED
All we have to do is get rid of some of the scrubbers and put more pollution in the air to offset CO2. Just think we can “tune” the climate by the right mix of CO2 emissions and pollution!!!!
Oh BOY can I have a billion dollar grant from the UN, EU, USA now please???

Matt G
October 27, 2011 4:22 pm

Sorry my possible mistake on previous post. (which may be taken differently)
eg China during 2005 was emitting ~ 60 percent compared to most of Europe and USA, 1986 (clean air act was implemented well before then)
The 60 percent refers to the amount compared to how much of Europe and USA were emitting. Not that China emitted 60 percent and Europe and USA 40 percent. (just to make this clear)

October 27, 2011 4:29 pm

phlogiston,
The elephant might be hiding behind the door. Do I have to think of everything??

stevo
October 27, 2011 4:33 pm

“The significance, you pillock, is that they, ALL OF THEM, show a trend well below that projected by their climate models on which current green policies are founded. Are very stupid politicians are throwing our money, billions of it, away on bird mincers and carbon stuffers while increasing our taxes in order to pay for useless green projects.
Why are you soooo stupid? Were you trained for it?”
The truth, you moron, is that none of them show a trend well below that projected by the climate models. A sensible estimate of the uncertainty on each of those trends that I quoted would be +-0.3C. Given that the models predict roughly a +0.2C/decade trend right now, please explain which one of the trends is statistically significantly different from the model trends.
Why are you soooo lame? Do you have to practice hard?
REPLY: OK this has descended into juvie, both of you take a 24 hour time out – Anthony

Gail Combs
October 27, 2011 4:34 pm

doug s says:
October 27, 2011 at 9:56 am
No one answered my question yesterday, so with this I’ll try again. Why is this just a question of “energy budgets” and radiation. Doesn’t a great deal of the energy get turned into work? The moving of the air, ocean currents, evaporation, more clouds, rain, lighting etc. It is work that picks up great quantities of water over an ocean and deposits it on land. Just a little extra radiative forcing, equals just a little extra (convection) movement of water or wind each day. Why does it supposedly accumulate in (missing) heat?
Even consider the metaphysical implications of this energy, doesn’t it get utilized for life itself?
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A good one. You can add all the green plants sucking in the CO2 and photons and turning it into food eaten by a growing population of humans.
By the way try:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/24/willis-publishes-his-thermostat-hypothesis-paper/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/28/congratulations-finally-to-spencer-and-braswell-on-getting-their-new-paper-published/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/11/27720/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/11/which-way-to-the-feedback/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/15/unequivocal-equivocation/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/07/further-evidence-for-my-thunderstorm-thermostat-hypothesis/
An Index is here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/15/an-index-to-williss-writings/

John Whitman
October 27, 2011 4:35 pm

Dr. Roger Pielke Sr,
Thank you for your highlights of the Greenwire article showing many climate scientists who were previously confident in the certainty of alarming AGW now are becoming noticeably less certain. They do not look very consensus-like in their retreat from certainty and settled science. They look more like an each-man-for-themselves route instead of an orderly planned retreat.
I can personally have empathy with their difficulty in backing down from the dizzy heights of settled/consensus IPCC focused science. It is the same difficulty I learned when 10 yrs old. I found out it was much easier climbing up a tree than climbing down a tree.
John

October 27, 2011 4:38 pm

In the late 1940es scientists announced that “sadly it looked as if the coming of another Ice-Age was unavoidable as the hoped for warming by CO2 looked a bit sick in the face of a cooling world. By 1952 my class in elementary school had gone through all, or most, of the relevant experiments the wise men of old had once performed.
The name “radiator” was banned from any heat source that did not glow red and was replaced by another name; “Heat exchanger”. – And that name has stuck for as long as I have been a mechanical engineer.
But then again I was educated in an engineering college – not a university – so my knowledge is most likely missing on the finer points.
But I do know that AGW (it went under a different name in those days. In my part of the world it was called “Carbonic Acid Warming”) was dead and buried very early on in the 1950es.
However it has been dug up again and resurrected – and yes, its previous existence has been denied, but they are not fooling me with that one.
My science teacher once knew a Swede who —–

phlogiston
October 27, 2011 4:40 pm

Smokey
Or it’s on a ledge outside the window wondering whether to end it all?

DCA
October 27, 2011 4:43 pm

“Vernier had found one slice of the trend identified by Barnes at Mauna Loa in Hawaii. It was astonishing. Where could these heat-reflecting aerosols be originating?”
Could they be cosmic in nature?

October 27, 2011 4:44 pm

Smokey;
The elephant might be hiding behind the door. Do I have to think of everything??>>>
Or… it might just be a very very very SMALL elephant.

Gail Combs
October 27, 2011 4:44 pm

E.M.Smith says:
October 27, 2011 at 10:15 am
…..an gets warm, a hurricane sprouts and dumps the heat to space.
Land gets warm, a line of thunderstorms sprout and dumps the heat to space.
Evaporation, convection, condensation. Repeat.
It really IS that simple.
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Yes we know but you can’t take that and spin it into a multi-trillion dollar industry for you, Al Gore and the World Bank et al.
You really have to understand that “scientific” principle to understand CO2 and Global Warming.
Why the heck else has water the biggest green house gas been swept under the rug for forty years?

October 27, 2011 4:51 pm

Gail Combs – I have thought about it and I am your new business partner!!
But it looks as if we shall have to act quickly cause I am suspecting Hansen & al are halfway there already!

John Whitman
October 27, 2011 4:55 pm

Smokey says:
October 27, 2011 at 4:29 pm
phlogiston,
The elephant might be hiding behind the door. Do I have to think of everything??☺

Smokey & phlogiston,
You both should consider another possibility. The elephant was in the room but disguised in sunglasses, bozo nose, fake eyelashes and lipstick wearing leopard tights and stiletto high heels. : )
John

Theo Goodwin
October 27, 2011 4:56 pm

Gail Combs says:
October 27, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Describe the ideal air pollutant and apply for a patent.

phlogiston
October 27, 2011 4:57 pm

Smokey
Or its on a ledge outside the window wondering whether to end it all?

Theo Goodwin
October 27, 2011 5:02 pm

steven mosher says:
October 27, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Well, yeah, but this is a long winded way of saying that it was always incumbent upon climate scientists to come up with some reasonably well confirmed physical hypotheses which go beyond Arrhenius’ work and which explain forcings/feedbacks/whatever unknown to Arrhenius. The simple truth is that climate science to this day has not produced one such hypothesis.

John Whitman
October 27, 2011 5:02 pm

davidmhoffer & Smokey & phlogiston,
OK, this is the appropriate moment for elephant jokes.
Joke #1
Q – What do you find between an elephant’s toes.
A – Slow natives
Joke #2
Q – How do you know if an elephant has been living in your refrigerator?
A – Elephant footprints in the Jello
Yuck, yuck . . . those are from the late 1950’s
John

October 27, 2011 5:04 pm

Steve Mosher;
So, no. nobody should doubt the premise that GHGs cause warming, that is, all other things held constant, we know that GHGs lead to a warmer planet not a colder one. Where the uncertainty lies is in what other things change and how.>>>
A fine explanation Mosher. I’d add one thing though. In addition to knowing that CO2 would cause warming provided that everything else remained constant, we ALSO know that these effects are logarithmic. Hence, whenever discussing the effects of CO2, we hear them estimated in terms of degrees per CO2 doubling. This means that:
If natural background CO2 levels are 280 PPM as the IPCC estimates, and direct effects of CO2 are 1 degree per doubling (again, as the IPCC estimates) then it would require 560 PPM to raise the temperature one degree (from background levels). But, to raise the temperature TWO degrees over background level would require 1,160 PPM.
Given that over the last century, we’ve gone from 280 PPM to 390 PPM, we’re several centuries from hitting TWO degrees, even if we triple the amount of CO2 we are pumping into the air annually. But even that is a misleading way to explain it. The IPCC tries to couch everything in terms of temperature increase from 280 PPM because the lower the starting number, the less additional CO2 is required to get to “double”. The fact of the matter is that we are ALREADY at 390 PPM!
So, to add just ONE additional degree from the direct affects of CO2 compared to where we are TODAY, one would need to get to 780 PPM. To get to TWO degrees from where we are TODAY we would need to get to 1,560 PPM. At the PEAK of CO2 increases we hit less than 3 PPM year over year and the average over the last 50 years or so is closer to 2 ppm/yr.
Did I say one additional thing? I meant two. Almost forgot.
The IPCC one degree per CO2 doubling is calculated at the effective black body temperature of earth (as seen from space) which is about -20 C. Except the SURFACE temp average is +15 C. Now, they also forget to advise that P (watts/m2) varies directly with T (in degrees K) raised to the power of 4. Yup, T*T*T*T ! So, temp increases are ALSO logarithmic when comparfed to a linear increase in P. Do the calcs, and the surface temp change for CO2 doubling is about 0.6 degrees, not the oft quoted 1 degree. Now extend that concept to the word “average”. What exactly does “average” temp of the globe mean?
In the context of temp increases from additional CO2…nothing. The temp increase in hot places is much smaller, and in cold places, much higher. Plus one degrees is NOT uniform! The NASA/GISS and HadCrut surface temperature records bear this out. They show about 1 degree increase in temperature since the late 1800’s. But the tropics have only gone up about 0.2 degrees while the arctic zones have gone up more than 1 degree. Can we average those?
NO! We can’t average those because they themselves are already averages! Summer highs in temperate zones have gone up very little, but winter lows have gone up more. Will it change much if the day time high at the equator goes from 40 C to 40.1 C but the night time low in the polar bear zone goes from -40 to -36? I don’t know, ask the polar bears. Their population has quadrupled in the last few decades. As for the tropics…anyone got a thermometer on the side of their house that measure 1/10th of one degree?

October 27, 2011 5:08 pm

Q: How are elephants and digital watches alike?
A: They both come in quartz…

KevinK
October 27, 2011 5:10 pm

Phlogiston wrote;
“4. There is no elephant in the room.”
At the very least there MAY POSSIBLY be, or there VERY LIKELY is (climate science speak) a Hyrax in the room. The hyrax is a funny furry little creature sans trunk that is the closest genetic relative to the elephant.
I personally believe that the Hyrax has also left the room…………
Cheers, Kevin.

October 27, 2011 5:25 pm

John Whitman;
Joke #1
Q – What do you find between an elephant’s toes.
A – Slow natives
I remember those! (Ouch, I’m old). There was a whole sequence:
Q Why do elephants wear green sneakers?
A To blend in with the leaves when they hide in the tree tops
Q Why are pygmies so short?
A Falling elephants….

Gail Combs
October 27, 2011 5:26 pm

KnR says:
October 27, 2011 at 10:51 am
The ‘science is settled’ was mad and bad claim to make in the in first place if for no other reason that is seldom true in any area of science….
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No it was not.
The idea was to get all the big industrial nations to sign on to Kyoto or the Copenhagen Agreement by getting the dumber than dirt super market predators frightened out of their wits.
Unfortunately Main Street was not quite as dumb as was thought and someone threw us a life preserver in the form of the Climategate e-mails and the leaked Danish text, a secret draft [that]… hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank
If you think these guys were not aware of the cyclical nature of the climate well before this you are wrong.
“Before becoming history and even before taking place, a lot of major events are prepared in laboratories” ZIUA on Greenberg directed campaign in Romania
Gleissberg published his 88 years cycles in 1971. In the early sixties radioactive decay of oxygen, thorium and uraninmn provided new dating methods used by Broecker in 1966 and 1970 to identify five full ice age cycles. He stated his work was in agreement with Milankovitch. (Milankovitch published “Astronomical Methods for Investigating Earth’s Historical Climate” in 1938.)
POLITICALLY
In 1972 you had “Environmentalism” and “Global Warming” promoted by UN First Earth Summit chaired by Maurice Strong.
Obama’s Science Czar, Holdren wrote along with Paul and Anne H. Ehrlich in the “recommendations” concluding their 1973 book Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions. “A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States,” echoed by Strong at the opening session of the Rio Conference (Earth Summit II) in 1992.:
“Developed and benefited from the unsustainable patterns of production and consumption which have produced our present dilemma. It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class—involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work-place air-conditioning, and suburban housing—are not sustainable. A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmentally damaging consumption patterns.”
And also back in 1972
“..George Kukla, together with Robert Matthews of Brown University, convened a conference in 1972 entitled “The Present Interglacial: How and When will it End?”, and reported it in Science magazine… [note the date]
Kukla and Matthews alerted President Richard Nixon, and as a result the US Administration set up a Panel on the Present Interglacial involving the State Department and other agencies….
now we know that there were twenty in the last two million years. And the warm periods are much shorter than we believed originally. They are something around 10,000 years long. and I’m sorry to say that the one we are living in now has just passed its 10,000 year birthday. That of course means that the ice age is due now any time. “
http://calderup.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/next-ice-age/
Now we find the wealthy doing a land grab in Africa.
“…Billionaires and Mega-Corporations Behind Immense Land Grab in Africa
20+ African countries are selling or leasing land for intensive agriculture on a shocking scale in what may be the greatest change of ownership since the colonial era….”
http://www.alternet.org/story/145970/billionaires_and_mega-corporations_behind_immense_land_grab_in_africa
Oakland Institute Report: http://media.oaklandinstitute.org/massive-land-grabs-africa-us-hedge-funds-and-universities-0
World Bank Report Confirms ‘Land Grab’ Fears: http://www.stwr.org/land-energy-water/rising-global-interest-in-farmland-can-it-yield-sustainable-and-equitable-benefits.html
United Nation’s Clean Development Mechanism Report:
“…Africa is already experiencing social and environmental upheaval from land grabs motivated by a large-scale rush for biofuel crop production, even as the science shows that the CO2 reductions from biofuels are highly questionable, and the social and environmental consequences, negative. The African continent has also seen disastrous impacts from large-scale plantations of exotic tree species that particularly affect local water resources….”
http://www.africanbiodiversity.org/system/files/PDFs/CDM%20Report_Feb2011_lowres.pdf
What ever the views of the world’s movers and shakers, I really doubt that CO2 driven Climate Change has ever been anything but a propaganda stunt for the masses. I also doubt they really give a rat’s behind about the rest of us except as sheep for the shearing.

KevinK
October 27, 2011 5:29 pm

Ok, I doubled checked my “Hyrax are the closest relative of Elephants” statement. It seems there are some who believe that Manatees are more closely related. Perhaps they are first and second cousins?
Anyway, maybe there is no Manatee or Hyrax in the room…………..
Cheers, Kevin.

October 27, 2011 5:30 pm

Why not apply Occam’s Razor? The simplest explanation is that the climate sensitivity is grossly overestimated by models.

Bill Illis
October 27, 2011 5:33 pm

Aerosols seems to be the only explanation that can work, leaving the theory in place.
If sulfate Aerosols have NOT increased recently, offsetting the rising GHGs, then the theory is wrong (in one of about 20 possible ways). (note that Carbon aerosols are supposed to provide warming, not cooling, so it is only the invisible sulfate aerosols we are talking about here, not asian smoke which shows up on satellite images for example).
Aerosols are also required to explain the lower increase in temperatures than expected up to 1998 as well, not just the flatter trend in the last 13 years. The pre-1998 numbers do not work either without a large aerosol offset.
Now we do know that sulfate aerosols reflect/intercept solar radiation so the physical explanation is okay. It is just that they need to prove that the trends in sulfates match what is needed.

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