Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Last night I saw Carol Browner, ex-head of the EPA, make an astounding statement on the Colbert Report TV show. I was so amazed, I tracked down the video to make sure I’d heard her right.
Before I tell you what Ms. Browner said that so bemused me, let me take a moment to talk about broken windows.
In economics theory, there’s a famous parable called the “Broken Window Fallacy”. There’s a good description over at the Investopedia:
The broken window fallacy was first expressed by the great French economist, Frederic Bastiat. Bastiat used the parable of a broken window to point out why destruction doesn’t benefit the economy.
In Bastiat’s tale, a man’s son breaks a pane of glass, meaning the man will have to pay to replace it. The onlookers consider the situation and decide that the boy has actually done the community a service because his father will have to pay the glazier (window repair man) to replace the broken pane. The glazier will then presumably spend the extra money on something else, jump-starting the local economy.
The onlookers come to believe that breaking windows stimulates the economy, but Bastiat points out that further analysis exposes the fallacy. By breaking the window, the man’s son has reduced his father’s disposable income, meaning his father will not be able purchase new shoes or some other luxury good. Thus, the broken window might help the glazier, but at the same time, it robs other industries and reduces the amount being spent on other goods. Moreover, replacing something that has already been purchased is a maintenance cost, rather than a purchase of truly new goods, and maintenance doesn’t stimulate production. In short, Bastiat suggests that destruction – and its costs – don’t pay in an economic sense.
OK, so we’re clear about that part. There’s absolutely no net gain, there is a net loss, from the breaking of the window.
Now, suppose that instead of breaking a window, the EPA orders the man to replace the window with high cost anti-UV coated glass to protect his workers from the sun. Once again the glazier makes money, once again, the man loses money, so once again there’s no gain or loss.
Clear so far?
Given that as an introduction, here is Carol Browner, former head of the EPA, explaining how the EPA helps the economy, transcribed from the video:
Carol Browner: The EPA creates opportunities. The EPA creates jobs. When the EPA says “that dirty smokestack needs a new scrubber”, someone has to engineer that scrubber, someone has to build that scrubber, someone has to install it, maintain it, operate it. Those are American jobs.
I leave it to the reader to draw the obvious parallels.
But in fact, this is good news if looked at the right way. Two facts.
First fact.
Think about this.
Obama and the Republicans both want to create jobs.
Second fact.
Add this in.
EPA regulations create jobs.
Well, duh, folks, don’t you get it yet … all we have to do is keep jacking the number of EPA regulations, and watch the unemployment level drop week by week as people are hired to build filters and install scrubbers and climb chimneys and inspect lawnmowers, and check window shades and re-calibrate your sphincter and measure trace gases and do that vital EPA work all over this great land of ours! And the beauty part is, we don’t have to specify in advance how many regulations we’re going to impose.
We’ll just gradually impose more and more EPA regulations, until unemployment has dropped down to say 6%. Then we can take off and add regulations as necessary, subtracting or adding jobs to maintain it right there in the sweet spot.
So America, all those proposed new EPA regulations on CO2? Understood correctly they’re not really a problem and an un-necessary wasteful PITA like you think. That’s the short-sighted view.
When you take a mature, long-range view, EPA regulations are a sign that good times and full employment are just around the corner. The EPA itself said that to implement the full CO2 regulations on all emitting point sources would require a quarter million new federal employees … I mean, all those shiny new jobs will whack ugly old Mr. Unemployment on his head right there!
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I suppose I should put in [sarcasm] tags in there somewhere, but the whole thing is such a parody of itself, I don’t know where to start. Sometimes I just sit quietly and bump my head against the desk to think that in America, it’s gotten to the point where
BUREAUCRATS THINK REGULATIONS CREATE JOBS.
Sigh …
w.
PS—Colbert, as usual, got off the best line of the interview, viz:
You want to protect the air and water, right? You know what the air and water have done to us lately? Hurricanes. Tornados. I think it’s time we fight back, OK, give’m a taste of their own medicine.
Brilliantly demented.
PPS: Regulations are absolutely necessary for us humanoids, including environmental regulations. Otherwise, we’re pigs as a species, every river would be full of filth. It is a question of degree, not underlying need or justification for regulations. We need them, there’s no doubt of that.
So don’t abolish the EPA, that would be a huge mistake. Instead, fix it. It’s out of control. Whack its knuckles with a ruler. My favorite scam?
The EPA funds agencies that then sue the EPA to enforce ridiculous regulations. Then the EPA can wash their hands and say “They made me do it, I couldn’t help it.” That government branch is way off the reservation, fire half the employees and start over or something, it is sick to the core. It is in bed with the groups it is funding, using them to sue itself in a never-ending orgy of symbiotic green greed. Why is the EPA funding anyone at all? They’re an enforcement agency, they shouldn’t be funding anyone. That’s nuts.
Most importantly, take the EPA out of the trace gas business. Regulating CO2 is an incredibly stupid idea, but even if it weren’t, the EPA is not set up to handle it. Congress, you need to act here …

Another thing the EPA does is to insist that its regs are very cheap to implement and have huge benefits to health. The claimed benefits of all the parts of just the clean air regs are nearly the US GDP. Economics research shows that companies spending the most on pollution control take a hit in the stock market and similarly after a new reg is passed the share of a product that is imported goes up. But EPA is anti-business and economically illiterate. Some recent regs attempt to regulate things that can’t be regulated, or to call milk and “oil” so that a milk spill at a dairy needs a hazmat containment barrier, or trying to ban “dust” which is an inevitable part of farming (of course, ironically, herbicides and GM crops have reduced the amount of tillage needed by farmers by probably 80%, but these same people want all herbicides banned).
Geoff Sherrington said, … a young engineer lass told me “We have a saying, that a car stolen is a new car sold. They are not interested in theft reduction”.
And “they” were right from their point of view. That is why we have a system where a competitor can do something better for the customer and gain sales from the old dinosaur.
(of course) False on it’s face; EPA established by a GOP administration (Nixon).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Protection_Agency
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Full Employment
An American was being toured by the manager around a Russian state factory that made tractors. It was a huge facility. They looked down from the mezzanine at the thousands of people operating lathes, milling machines and welders. Others served food, swept and stood around the water cooler.
“Full employment!” proclaimed the manager. “This is how an economy should be run! Everyone has a job. Everyone is productive.”
Looking straight down over the railing the American saw three men pushing an empty waste cart past, one of those with two larger wheels in the centre that rocks front to back as it goes. “Why are there THREE men pushing that empty cart? That is a very odd way to do things.”
“Ah, I can explain that very easily,” said the manager. “The other three are off sick.”
All you need do is some more computer modelling and you’ll find families are on average $2.40 better off than you thought they were going to be with the old computer model-
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/families-to-get-more-cash-from-carbon-scheme-20111018-1lyt8.html
So naturally if you double the carbon tax they’ll be $4.80 better off and treble the tax….. Wheee! Aint all this economics and computer modelling grand folks? Keep it up and we’ll all be on easy street.
Rocky Road sez:
You got the point but missed the irony of the post. My fault – forgot to turn on the sarc tag.
Juice,
“Someone will lose for sure, but in the case of a smoke stack scrubber or any effective and cost efficient environmental or workplace protection, there should be a net gain.”
That must be decided on a case by case basis. It is true that many earlier clean air regs were responses to real problems. Heavy sulphurous and NOx emissions caused real respiratory injuries. Where there is no actual problem to address, then the regulations cause a net loss, just as the broken window fallacy describes. Somebody already mentioned “cash for clunkers”, which represents one of the most recent perfect examples of BWF. Some may argue that the replacement cars were better – more efficient. The point is, one has to balance gain against cost.
The marketplace is the best mechanism to do this. If the savings made by trading in old cars for new exceeded the cost, people would have been doing this on their own, without government subsidies. The point is, they didn’t, so it perfectly fits the broken window. New regulations to mitigate against CO2 emissions have to have the same cost-benefit analysis applied. Nicholas Stern attempted to do this, in order to justify the mitigation costs. If you accept Stern’s report then you stand with the argument that the window needed replacing. If you reject the Stern report, then the only conclusion is that CO2 mitigation costs are another example of the BWF.
Bulldust says:
October 21, 2011 at 1:45 am
That would make sense if the smokestack were emitting pollution, although it still wouldn’t create jobs, at least we’d end up with less pollution. And at that point it might, I emphasize might “be appropriate to internalise the externalities”.
But we’re not talking pollution. We’re talking CO2. So your argument doesn’t apply.
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Ian W says:
October 21, 2011 at 4:32 am
You misunderstand both my point and the “broken window fallacy”. Sure, EPA regs create jobs as you say, just as the broken window created a job for the glazier.
But you missed the point. There is no net gain to the economy from those jobs, for every job created one job (or the equivalent in $$) is taken away. And thus, overall, it is not a net gain. It is a net loss to the economy, everyone on average ends up poorer.
Go through the fallacy again, you haven’t gotten the sting in the tale yet.
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@ur momisugly Willis Eschenbach
Per your post as I have copied below, I could not agree with anything I have ever seen written more that that.
The Dept of Interior works in a similar way with regards to the National Forest Lands and Park Service lands. Same goes as well with the ESA (Endangered Species Act), USFWS (U S Fish & Wildlife Service), and too many others to mention.
Absolute spot on!
Congress, are you listening? You better be!
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PPS: Regulations are absolutely necessary for us humanoids, including environmental regulations. Otherwise, we’re pigs as a species, every river would be full of filth. It is a question of degree, not underlying need or justification for regulations. We need them, there’s no doubt of that.
So don’t abolish the EPA, that would be a huge mistake. Instead, fix it. It’s out of control. Whack its knuckles with a ruler. My favorite scam?
The EPA funds agencies that then sue the EPA to enforce ridiculous regulations. Then the EPA can wash their hands and say “They made me do it, I couldn’t help it.” That government branch is way off the reservation, fire half the employees and start over or something, it is sick to the core. It is in bed with the groups it is funding, using them to sue itself in a never-ending orgy of symbiotic green greed. Why is the EPA funding anyone at all? They’re an enforcement agency, they shouldn’t be funding anyone. That’s nuts.
Most importantly, take the EPA out of the trace gas business. Regulating CO2 is an incredibly stupid idea, but even if it weren’t, the EPA is not set up to handle it. Congress, you need to act here …
@Juice
“This is another example of what I call the Broken Window Fallacy Fallacy.”
I think you are misunderstanding the BWF. The BWF focuses attention on opportunity costs. These opportunity costs are the ones which are most often left out in analysis of public policy. Once you are reminded of the existence of opportunity costs, you need to figure out how to compare the costs of various actions – via a central planning agency or via a market.
People in the USA prefer the bureaucratic dictatorship model where “wise overlords” who read from the Holy Models make cost-benefit analyses using flawed numerical macro-economic models, climate models, etc.
People in the older USA used to prefer the free market, but those people are all dead now.
Willis Eschenbach wrote “BUREAUCRATS THINK REGULATIONS CREATE JOBS” and “The EPA funds agencies that then sue the EPA to enforce ridiculous regulations.”
You have two very valid points there, Willis.
The bureaucrats are partially correct. Unfortuntely, regulations create jobs for bureaucrats and regulators. Somebody has to write and enfororce all the regulations and those people need managers, and budget departments, etc. This just sucks up taxpayer dollars without producing anything (other than more regulations and killing trees to publish them on paper and wasting electrons to publish them online.)
Funding non-government organizations to sue is even worse than you indicate. The EPA will also fund NGOs to sue so that the EPA can promulgate new regulations. Also, the EPA often ends up paying the groups’ legal fees under the Equal Access to Justice Act
Juice says:
October 21, 2011 at 7:23 am
Julian, we’re not talking about an “effective and cost efficient environmental or workplace protection”. We’re talking CO2. We’re talking, as someone said above, about un-necessarily sterilizing the drains rather than just cleaning them. We’re not talking about “loss of life and health in a large number of people”. We’re talking about hiring a quarter million workers (NEW JOBS!!!) to regulate a trace gas …
So yes, the Broken Window Fallacy does indeed apply to most all of the EPA’s new regulations. They cleaned up the country. Now they want to sterilize the whole thing, at huge cost and tiny gain.
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Theo Goodwin says:
October 20, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Willis, there you go again using perfectly clear logic. It will just cause the Leftists to foam at the mouth.
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You got that right! Take a look at the number of ‘votes’ rating this post. 515 votes as of now and it is being rated low. This is a record number of votes as far as I know.
The cage has been rattled!
Ric Werme says: October 21, 2011 at 4:45 am ….”However, that was before I discovered I was a Libertarian. It’s one reason I like Willis’ posts so much.”
Rick, I too have traveled a path in my political thinking- from a party orientation to an individual liberty one. I also enjoy Willis’ posts as they are thought provoking. You might enjoy hearing Maria Vargas Llosa’s thoughts on social organization at the upcoming Alexis De Tocqueville Awards-
“The Independent Institute’s 25th Anniversary Dinner- Presentation of the Alexis de Tocqueville Awards- a Gala Reception and Dinner is being held on Nov. 15th in SF. http://www.independent.org/events/detail.asp?eventID=152 “We will honor Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and former President of Poland, Lech Walesa, Nobel Laureate Mario Vargas Llosa, and Dr. Robert Higgs with the Alexis de Tocqueville Awards in recognition of their exceptional contributions to humanity in advancing the ideas and ideals of individual liberty, entrepreneurship, personal responsibility, civic virtue, and the rule of law.”
The first thing we should do is split the EPA into at least three separate agencies. One would be the environmental science bureau, another would be the economic impact bureau, and the third would be the regulation bureau. The three bureaus should be put under separate deputies appointed by the President. The EPA commissioner should be replaced by a commission of 5 Presidential appointees no more than 3 of who belong to any one party. This business of regulating by litigation should be stopped and all previous settlements should be revoked.
At 4:41 AM on 21 October, Chuck L had written:
I suspect that because science fiction fandom has been overwhelmingly libertarian ever since (at least) the 1970s, we assume today that the superiority of free market economics had always been understood, acknowledged, and hammeringly advocated by SF fen.
After all, “fans are Slans.” We’re better than those cement-headed mundanes.
But digging into stefnal social and political history can deliver a helluva jolt to the fannish system. I’d long known that the Futurians of First Fandom had been a buncha goddam New York City pinkos (Frederick Pohl had been a member of the Young Communist League, Donald A. Wollheim saw socialism a l’outrance as “a political ideal,” Judith Merril was a Trotskyite, and James Blish was a Spenglerian enamored of H.G. Wells’ “liberal fascism“), but I suppose that I’d resisted acknowledgement of just how deeply committed to Woodrow Wilson’s hideously evil “progressivism” – America’s home-grown predecessor to what would become National Socialism in Europe – Robert A. Heinlein had been from his very youngest days.
I’m in the process of reading the first half of William H. Patterson’s massive biography, Robert A. Heinlein: In Dialogue with His Century: Volume 1 (1907-1948): Learning Curve (2010), and it’s gut-wrenching. Patterson is pretty obviously himself a “progressive,” and gushes sickeningly over the cancerously invidious political poison inflicted on these United States by vicious bastiches like Wilson and William Jennings Bryan and the rest of those “smartest guys in the room” sons of socially diseased random inseminators who postured and bloviated and meddled without consequence or respect for human rights to arrogantly begin the process of forcing our regional and national economies at gunpoint into the condition of debilitation we’re presently experiencing.
I suspect that by the mid-1950s, Heinlein had more than sufficiently begun coming to terms with the bankruptcy – moral and political as well as economical – of the “Liberal” fascism embodied in the New Deal and every other manifestation of dirigiste “government-as-Santa-Claus.” By the time he wrote The Door Into Summer, he was demonstrating that, unlike his protagonist in that novel, economics was not “too esoteric” for him to grasp the real sense of it. From a point earlier in The Door Into Summer we read his cynical observation:
The effects of sustained decades of currency debauchment – institutionalized “legal counterfeiting” by the Federal Reserve System – were being appreciated by the 1950s, and if Heinlein wasn’t fully aware of the efforts of the Foundation for Economic Education and hadn’t yet read works like von Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom (1944) or Henry Hazlitt’s Economics in One Lesson (1946), he was certainly aware of the currency of free-market, individual rights ideas growing in American intellectual circles.
Remember, when Heinlein wrote The Door Into Summer, he and Virginia were living in he house they’d designed and built in Colorado Springs, just down the road from Freedom School founder Robert M. LeFevre.
From the postwar years forward, Heinlein took enormous pains to minimize (and, to the extent possible, suppress) public awareness of his early commitment to socialism. There was both the McCarthy tendencies of the ’50s to be appreciated as well as what I strongly suspect had been his utter humiliation in his confrontation with the inescapable fact that his Upton Sinclair “EPIC” enthusiasms had made of him the very archetype of the well-intentioned but utterly idiotic parlor pink he now realized was so thoroughly deserving of contemptuous scorn.
It’s no surprise at all that publication of his first novel – For Us, the Living: A Comedy of Customs (2003) – was so scrupulously suppressed by Heinlein during his life and by his widow, Virginia, and only got dragged out and put into print after she had died.
Well, let’s see how badly I’ve screwed up the HTML this time. Oh, for an “Edit” capability on this Web site….
With the air and water so darn dirty, it’s a wonder we all aren’t dropping like flies. After, we have the worst health care system in the world, and the eat the worst diet and have the fattest population. It’s just a miracle!
But then again, our average lifespan keeps going up. Maybe it’s the preservatives in all the junk food we eat? Or maybe the EPA has largely succeeded in achieving the goals it was originally created for and is now just making stuff up so it can have a big say in controlling our lives?
@More Soylent Green! says: October 21, 2011 at 11:26 am
Absolutely spot on! Brilliant!
Does anyone else think that economists are a bit like climate scientists – after all, they seem to make up an understanding of something so large and complex (and relatively chaotic IMO) and then make predictions…..hmmmm…..and how often are their predictions right?
The GOP is trying to act but the idiot Democrats are spinning it to look like the GOP supports pollution. Boxer and Waxman were out of the gate like a shot a week or so ago.
The country should simply dismiss any politician from California without thought, California left reality behind a long time ago.
The entire situation is an absurd waste of tax dollars.
I can’t resist piling on here:
Just think of all the jobs O could create if he required all stimulus projects to be done sans power tools. It would take thousands just to prepare a road for resurfacing ot to build a bike path. Clearly the road to prosperity is built with shovels!
I got to thinking about this broken windows thing. Private enterprise creates wealth by producing things or services. Government doesn’t produce anything, and in fact slows production up. So if you look at jobs from a parasite view, government is the parasite and private enterprise is the organism that hosts it. For each person hired for the government, that is one person no longer producing anything. Production goes down, and with more regulations, it drops even further. So when employment data are announced, I’d find it useful to see a breakdown on where the jobs are increasing. If overpriced government jobs increase, that’s bad for us, if private jobs go up, that’s good. It isn’t jobs per se, but rather which kind of job is increasing.
If employment is up 100,000 it makes a big difference whether it is a government job or private wealth producing job.
The real tragety of this idiot being in the limelight is that every claim that CO2 is causing a problem is false. The “atmospheric greenhouse gas effect is a hypotheses that has never been proven. The hypothese was first proposed in 1824 by Fourier and has never been proven by “creditable experiment” In fact the concept has been disproved by several reliable experiments performed in 1909 by Robert W. Wood and reproved in 2011 by Dr. Nisfe Nahle a promenent physicist.
When major university physics departments are afraid to tell the truth that the “greenhouse gas effect” has never been proven with “creditable experiments & data” We are in trouble.
List of references:
The paper “Falsification of the Atmospheric CO2 greenhouse effect within the frame of physics” by Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D. Tscheuschner is an in-depth examination of the subject. Version 4 2009
Electronic version of an article published as International Journal of Modern Physics
B, Vol. 23, No. 3 (2009) 275{364 , DOI No: 10.1142/S021797920904984X, c World
Scientific Publishing Company, http://www.worldscinet.com/ijmpb.
Report of Alan Carlin of US-EPA March, 2009 that shows that CO2 does not cause global warming.
Greenhouse Gas Hypothesis Violates Fundamentals of Physics” by Dipl-Ing Heinz Thieme .
R.W.Wood
from the London, Edinborough and Dublin Philosophical Magazine , 1909, vol 17, p319-320. Cambridge p340.1.c.95, i
The Hidden Flaw in Greenhouse Theory
By Alan Siddons
from:http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/the_hidden_flaw_in_greenhouse.html at March 01, 2010 – 09:10:34 AM CST
After 1909 when R.W.Wood proved that the understanding of the greenhouse effect was in error and the ghg effect does not exist. After Niels Bohr published his work and receive a Nobel Prize in Physics in 1922. The fantasy of the greenhouse gas effect should have died in 1909 and 1922. Since then it has been shown by several physicists that the concept is a Violation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
University of Pennsylvania Law School
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INSTITUTE FOR LAW AND ECONOMICS
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RESEARCH PAPER NO. 10-08
Global Warming Advocacy Science: a Cross Examination
Jason Scott Johnston
UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA
May 2010
This paper can be downloaded without charge from the
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Israeli Astrophysicist Nir Shaviv: ‘There is no direct evidence showing that CO2 caused 20th century warming, or as a matter of fact, any warming’ link to this paper on climate depot.
Web- site references:
Slaying the Sky Dragon – Death of the Greenhouse Gas Theory [Kindle Edition]
Tim Ball (Author), Claes Johnson (Author), Martin Hertzberg (Author), Joseph A. Olson (Author), Alan Siddons (Author), Charles Anderson (Author), Hans Schreuder (Author), John O’Sullivan (Author)
Wood is correct: There is no Greenhouse Effect
Posted on July 19, 2011 by Dr. Ed
Repeatability of Professor Robert W. Wood’s 1909 experiment on the Theory of the Greenhouse (Summary by Ed Berry. Full report here or here. & PolyMontana.)
by Nasif S. Nahle, June 12, 2011
University Professor, Scientific Research Director at Biology Cabinet® San Nicolas de los Garza, N. L., Mexico.
http://www.americanthinker.com Ponder the Maunder
An additional treatise on the subject is available on http://www.GreatClimateClash.com, archives: December,2010 G-3 The greenhouse gas effect does not exist. by Berthold Klein, The main section of interest is Section 10: The demonstration.
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The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance.”
—Albert Einstein
Willis – sorry but I don’t quite see your point. Yes, private citizens can’t spend the same money twice – if the father pays the glazier then the amount he can afford to pay for other goods or services is reduced by the same amount (at least at micro level).
But at economy-wide macro level, isn’t it rather more about the savings ratio – if savings are increasing overall (worried people are paying off their debts) the overall effect is a reduction in economic activity – economic growth declines, or the economy goes into recession. If the savings ratio is reducing (confident folk are incurring more debt and spending their money relatively freely) the economy will improve.
What is, however, for sure (but has little to do with the savings ratio) is that government-directed expenditure (eg under regulatory requirements) is similar to that of a command economy – it produces false markets and inefficiencies, as compared with letting citizens keep and spend their own money, in the way they themselves choose in a free market.