Replicating Al Gore's Climate 101 video experiment shows that his "high school physics" could never work as advertised

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Readers may recall my previous essay where I pointed out how Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 Video, used in his “24 hours of climate reality”, had some serious credibility issues with editing things to make it appear as if they had actually performed the experiment, when they clearly did not. It has taken me awhile to replicate the experiment. Delays were a combination of acquisition and shipping problems, combined with my availability since I had to do this on nights and weekends. I worked initially using the original techniques and equipment, and I’ve replicated the Climate 101 experiment in other ways using improved equipment. I’ve compiled several videos. My report follows.

First. as a refresher, here’s the Climate 101 video again:

I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:30, where the experiment is presented.

And here’s my critique of it: Video analysis and scene replication suggests that Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project fabricated their Climate 101 video “Simple Experiment”

The most egregious faked presentation in that video was the scene with the split screen thermometers, edited to appear as if the temperature in the jar of elevated CO2 level was rising faster than the jar without elevated CO2 level.

It turns out that the thermometers were never in the jar recording the temperature rise presented in the split screen and the entire presentation was nothing but stagecraft and editing.

This was proven beyond a doubt by the photoshop differencing technique used to compare each side of the split screen. With the exception of the moving thermometer fluid, both sides were identical.

difference process run at full resolution - click to enlarge

Exposing this lie to the viewers didn’t set well with some people, include the supposed “fairness” watchdogs over at Media Matters, who called the analysis a “waste of time”. Of course it’s only a “waste of time” when you prove their man Gore was faking the whole thing, otherwise they wouldn’t care. Personally I consider it a badge of honor for them to take notice because they usually reserve such vitriol for high profile news they don’t like, so apparently I have “arrived”.

The reason why I took so much time then to show this chicanery was Mr. Gore’s pronouncement in an interview the day the video aired.

His specific claim was:

“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011

So easy a high school kid can do it. Right?

Bill Nye, in his narration at 0:48 in the video says:

You can replicate this effect yourself in a simple lab experiment, here’s how.

…and at 1:10 in the video Nye says:

Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.

So, I decided to find out if that was true and if anyone could really replicate that claim, or if this was just more stagecraft chicanery. I was betting that nobody on Gore’s production team actually did this experiment, or if they did do it, it wasn’t successful, because otherwise, why would they have to fake the results in post production?

The split screen video at 1:17, a screencap of which is a few paragraphs above shows a temperature difference of 2°F. Since Mr. Gore provided no other data, I’ll use that as the standard to meet for a successful experiment.

The first task is to get all the exact same equipment. Again, since Mr. Gore doesn’t provide anything other than the video, finding all of that took some significant effort and time. There’s no bill of materials to work with so I had to rely on finding each item from the visuals. While I found the cookie jars and oral thermometers early on, finding the lamp fixtures, the heat lamps for them, the CO2 tank and the CO2 tank valve proved to be more elusive. Surprisingly, the valve turned out to be the hardest of all items to locate, taking about two weeks from the time I started searching to the time I had located it, ordered it and it arrived. The reason? It isn’t called a valve, but rather a “In-Line On/Off Air Adapter”. Finding the terminology was half the battle. Another surprise was finding that the heat lamps and fixtures were for lizards and terrariums and not some general purpose use. Fortunately the fixtures and lamps were sold together by the same company. While the fixtures supported up to 150 watts, Mr. Gore made no specification on bulb type or wattage, so I chose the middle of the road 100 watt bulbs from the 50, 100, and 150 watt choices available.

I believe that I have done due diligence (as much as possible given no instructions from Gore) and located all the original equipment to accurately replicate the experiment as it was presented. Here’s the bill of materials and links to suppliers needed to replicate Al Gore’s experiment as it is shown in the Climate 101 video:

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BILL OF MATERIALS

QTY 2 Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid

http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543

QTY2 Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/

QTY 2 Globe Coin Bank

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386

QTY 2 Fluker`s Repta Clamp-Lamp with Ceramic Sockets for Terrariums (max 150 watts, 8 1/2 Inch Bulb) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluker-s-Repta-Clamp-Lamp-150-watts-8-1-2-Inch-Bulb-/200663082632

QTY2 Zoo Med Red Infrared Heat Lamp 100W

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200594870618

QTY1 Empire – Pure Energy – Aluminum Co2 Tank – 20 oz

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190563856367

QTY 1 RAP4 In-Line On/Off Air Adapter

http://www.rap4.com/store/paintball/rap4-in-line-on-off-air-adapter

QTY 1 flexible clear plastic hose, 48″ in length, from local Lowes hardware to fit RAP4 In-Line On/Off Air Adapter above.

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Additionally, since Mr. Gore never actually proved that CO2 had been released from the CO2 paintball tank into one of the jars, I ordered a portable CO2 meter for just that purpose:

It has a CO2 metering accuracy of: ± 50ppm ±5% reading value. While not laboratory grade, it works well enough to prove the existence of elevated CO2 concentrations in one of the jars. It uses a non-dispersive infrared diffusion sensor (NDIR) which is self calibrating, which seems perfect for the job.

carbon dioxide temperature humidity monitorData Sheet

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Once I got all of the equipment in, the job was to do some testing to make sure it all worked. I also wanted to be sure the two oral thermometers were calibrated such they read identically. For that, I prepared a water bath to conduct that experiment.

CAVEAT: For those that value form over substance, yes these are not slick professionally edited videos like Mr. Gore presented. They aren’t intended to be. They ARE intended to be a complete, accurate, and most importantly unedited record of the experimental work I performed. Bear in mind that while Mr. Gore has million$ to hire professional studios and editors, all I have is a consumer grade video camera, my office and my wits. If I were still working in broadcast television, you can bet I would have done this in the TV studio.

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STEP 1 Calibrate the Oral Thermometers

Here’s my first video showing how I calibrated the oral thermometers, which is very important if you want to have an accurate experimental result.

Note that the two thermometers read 98.1°F at the conclusion of the test, as shown in this screencap from my video @ about 5:35:

STEP 2 Calibrate the Infrared Thermometer

Since I plan to make use of an electronic Infrared thermometer in these experiments, I decided to calibrate it against the water bath also. Some folks may see this as unnecessary, since it is pre-calibrated, but I decided to do it anyway. It makes for interesting viewing

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STEP 3 Demonstrate how glass blocks IR using  the Infrared Thermometer

The way an actual greenhouse works is by trapping infrared radiation. Glass is transparent to visible light, but not to infrared light, as we see below.

Image from: greenhousesonline.com.au
Mr. Gore was attempting to demonstrate this effect in his setup, but there’s an obvious problem: he used infrared heat lamps rather than visible light lamps. Thus, it seems highly likely that the glass jars would block the incoming infrared, and convert it to heat. That being the case, the infrared radiative backscattering effect that makes up the greenhouse effect in our atmosphere couldn’t possibly be demonstrated here in the Climate 101 video.

By itself, that would be enough to declare the experiment invalid, but not only will I show the problem of the experimental setup being flawed, I’ll go to full on replication.

Using the warm water bath and the infrared thermometer, it becomes easy to demonstrate this effect.

Since Mr. Gore’s experiment used infrared heat lamps illuminating two glass jars, I decided to test that as well:

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STEP 4 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using the same equipment – duration of 10 minutes

At 1:10 in the Climate 101 video narrator Bill Nye the science guy says:

Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.

Since this is “simple high school physics” according to Mr. Gore, this should be a cinch to replicate. I took a “within minutes” from the narration to be just that, so I tried an experiment with 10 minutes of duration. I also explain the experimental setup and using the CO2 meter prove that CO2 is in fact injected into Jar “B”. My apologies for the rambling dialog, which wasn’t scripted, but explained as I went along. And, the camera work is one-handed while I’m speaking and setting up the experiment, so what it lacks in production quality it makes up in reality.

You’ll note that after 10 minutes, it appears there was no change in either thermometer. Also, remember these are ORAL thermometers, which hold the reading (so you can take it out of your mouth and hand it to mom and ask “can I stay home from school today”?). So for anyone concerned about the length of time after I turned off the lamps, don’t be. In order to reset the thermometers you have to shake them to force the liquid back down into the bulb.

Here’s the screencaps of the two thermometer readings from Jar A and B:

Clearly, 10 minutes isn’t enough time for the experiment to work. So let’s scratch off the idea from narration of “a few minutes” and go for a longer period:

RESULT: No change, no difference in temperature. Nothing near the 2°F rise shown in the video. Inconclusive.

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STEP 5 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using the same equipment – duration of 30 minutes

Ok, identical setup as before, the only difference is time, the experiment runs 30 minutes long. I’ve added a digital timer you can watch as the experiment progresses.

And here are the screencaps from the video above of the results:

RESULT: slight rise and difference in temperature 97.4°F for Jar “A” Air, and 97.2°F for Jar “B” CO2. Nothing near the 2°F rise shown in the video.

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STEP 6 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment, using digital logging thermometer – duration of 30 minutes

In this experiment, I’m substituting the liquid in glass oral thermometers with some small self contained battery powered digital logging thermometers with LCD displays.

This model:

Details here

Specification Sheet / Manual

USB-2-LCD+ Temperature Datalogger

I used two identical units in the experiment replication:

And here are the results graphed by the application that comes with the datalogger. Red is Temperature, Blue is Humidity, Green is dewpoint

The graphs are automatically different vertical scales and thus can be a bit confusing, so I’ve take the raw data for each and graphed temperature only:

After watching my own video, I was concerned that maybe I was getting a bit of a direct line of the visible portion of the heat lamp into the sensor housing onto the thermistor, since they were turned on their side. So I ran the experiment again with the dataloggers mounted vertically in paper cups to ensure the thermistors were shielded from any direct radiation at any wavelength. See this video:

Both runs of the USB datalogger are graphed together below:

RESULTS:

Run 1 slight rise and difference in temperature 43.5°C for Jar “A” Air with Brief pulse to 44°C , and 43.0°C for Jar “B” CO2.

Run 2 had an ended with a 1°C difference, with plain air in Jar A being warmer than Jar “B with CO2.

Jar “A” Air temperature led Jar “B” CO2 during the entire experiment on both runs

The datalogger output files are available here:

JarA Air only run1.txt  JarB CO2 run1.txt

JarA Air only run2.txt JarB CO2 run2.txt

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STEP 7 Replicating Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment exactly, using a high resolution NIST calibrated digital logging thermometer – duration of 30 minutes

In this experiment I use a high resolution (0.1F resolution) and NIST calibrated data logger with calibrated probes. Data was collected over my LAN to special software. This is the datalogger model:

Data sheet: Model E Series And the software used to log data is described here

Here’s the experiment:

I had to spend a lot of time waiting for the Jar “B” probe to come to parity with Jar “A” due to the cooling effect of the CO2 I introduced. As we all know, when a gas expands it cools, and that’s exactly what happens to CO2 released under pressure. You can see the effect early in the flat area of the graph below.

Here’s the end result screencap real-time graphing software used in the experiment, click the image to expand the graph full size.

RESULTS:

Peak value Jar A with air  was at 18:04 117.3°F

Peak value Jar B with CO2 was at 18:04 116.7°F

Once again, air led CO2 through the entire experiment.

Note that I allowed this experiment to go through a cool down after I turned off the Infrared heat lamps, which is the slope after the peak. Interestingly, while Jar “A” (probe1 in green) with Air, led Jar “B” (Probe 2 in red) with CO2, the positions reversed shortly after the lamps turned off.

The CO2 filled jar was now losing heat slower than the plain air jar, even though plain air Jar “A” had warmed slightly faster than the CO2 Jar “B”.

Here’s the datalogger output files for each probe:

Climate101-replication-Probe01-(JarA – Air).csv

Climate101-replication-Probe02-(JarB – CO2).csv

Climate101-replication-Probe03-(Ambient Air).csv

What could explain this reversal after the lamps were turned off? The answer is here at the Engineer’s Edge in the form of this table:

Heat Transfer Table of Content

This chart gives the thermal conductivity of gases as a function of temperature.

Unless otherwise noted, the values refer to a pressure of 100 kPa (1 bar) or to the saturation vapor pressure if that is less than 100 kPa.

The notation P = 0 indicates the low pressure limiting value is given. In general, the P = 0 and P = 100 kPa values differ by less than 1%.

Units are milliwatts per meter kelvin.

Note the values for Air and for CO2 that I highlighted in the 300K column. 300K is 80.3°F.

Air is a better conductor of heat than CO2.

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So, here is what I think is going on with Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 experiment.

  1. As we know, the Climate101 video used infrared heat lamps
  2. The glass cookie jars chosen don’t allow the full measure of infrared from the lamps to enter the center of the jar and affect the gas. I showed this two different ways with the infrared camera in videos above.
  3. During the experiments, I showed the glass jars heating up using the infrared camera. Clearly they were absorbing the infrared energy from the lamps.
  4. The gases inside the jars, air and pure CO2 thus had to be heated by secondary heat emission from the glass as it was being heated. They were not absorbing infrared from the lamps, but rather heat from contact with the glass.
  5. Per the engineering table, air is a better conductor of heat than pure CO2, so it warms faster, and when the lamps are turned off, it cools faster.
  6. The difference value of 2°F shown in the Climate 101 video split screen was never met in any of the experiments I performed.
  7. The condition stated in the Climate 101 video of “Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.” was not met in any of the experiments I performed. In fact it was exactly the opposite. Air consistently warmed faster than CO2.
  8. Thus, the experiment as designed by Mr. Gore does not show the greenhouse effect as we know it in our atmosphere, it does show how heat transfer works and differences in heat transfer rates with different substances, but nothing else.

Mr. Gore’s Climate 101 experiment is falsified, and could not work given the equipment he specified. If they actually tried to perform the experiment themselves, perhaps this is why they had to resort to stagecraft in the studio to fake the temperature rise on the split screen thermometers.

The experiment as presented by Al Gore and Bill Nye “the science guy” is a failure, and not representative of the greenhouse effect related to CO2 in our atmosphere. The video as presented, is not only faked in post production, the premise is also false and could never work with the equipment they demonstrated. Even with superior measurement equipment it doesn’t work, but more importantly, it couldn’t work as advertised.

The design failure was the glass cookie jar combined with infrared heat lamps.

Gore FAIL.

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UPDATE: 4PM PST Some commenters are taking away far more than intended from this essay. Therefore I am repeating this caveat I posted in my first essay where I concentrated on the video editing and stagecraft issues:

I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.

No broader take away (other than the experiment was faked and fails) was intended, expressed or implied – Anthony

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October 20, 2011 1:23 pm

R. Gates;
it wasn’t me who brought up Dr. Trenberth in the context of this particular post. Anthony proved that Anchor Hocking glass blocks infrared radiation. Why would there be a need to mention Dr. Trenberth at all?>>>
1. You responded to the suggestion that you would have to apologize to Trenberth if you answered my questions by insisting the matter had nothing to do with Trenberth. If you have the time to make that point, why don’t you have the time to answer my questions? Do you have a different reason for not answering my questions? If so, what is it?
2. Yes, Anthony proved that Anchor Hocking glass blocks IR. He ALSO proved that:
A) Gore faked the experiment.
B) Gore faked the results.
C) Had the experiment been done as illustrated is could not possibly have produced the results claimed.
3. I said that I would wager that had the experiment been conducted as illustrated, that the results would not be as illustrated. You responded that you would take that wager, and asked me how much.
Your avoidance of the questions asked in this and other threads, blatant attempt to distance yourself from Gore after repeatedly defending him, the experiment, and insisting that actually doing the experiment would yield the results Gore showed, welching on the wager you instantly accepted, and now trying to redefine the results of the experiment to what amounts to about 2% of what Anthony demonstrated raises a question in my mind:
Do you believe that you are fooling anyone other than yourself?
Your stream of avoidance, doublespeak and unresponsiveness to legit questions is destroying your credibility, and that of the CAGW meme better than any skeptic could on their own. Congrats.

glacierman
October 20, 2011 1:32 pm

Davidmhoffer said:
“You responded to the suggestion that you would have to apologize to Trenberth if you answered my questions by insisting the matter had nothing to do with Trenberth. If you have the time to make that point, why don’t you have the time to answer my questions.”
R Gates actions provide the answer. More important to maintain the meme…..and therefore not have to worry about Trenberth being upset.

October 20, 2011 1:57 pm

I also got CO2 cooling when doing a similar experiment a few years ago:
http://kim.oyhus.no/CO2.html
I did it very cheaply, and with the Sun instead of lamps.

IGotBupkis, Unicorn Fart Entrepreneur
October 20, 2011 1:58 pm

>> The video was shot in Brooklyn. He may have assumed that due diligence was being done by Gore and his video producers.
Still, this is “The Science Guy”. He ought to have seen the same problem you did, given his background as “The Science Guy”, if he gave enough of a rat’s patootie to actually do anything but parrot what he was told.
i.e., “Some ‘Science’ Guy.”

October 20, 2011 2:49 pm

All I can say is great work well done. Anything else I can think of saying after that is just; thank you very, very much.
Oh, and is it possible that “Al G” accidentally used one 100 Watt and one 150 Watt bulb in his experiment?
From now on I guess he’ll be more careful as he probably realizes that Watt’s watching him.
I am now looking forward to the next experiment, which hopefully, will be to replicate John Tyndall’s effort to prove that LWIR radiation can warm CO2, in other words put a thermometer in the tube into which he introduced CO2.
I have tried to replicate this particular experiment myself but have so far failed to prove that the CO2 in question make any temperature gains. Then again, as I was, at the time, only interested in proving “a point” to myself and did not bother to prove, first of all, that the electromagnetic signal we now call LWIR radiation was passing through the tube, or into the vessel, in the first place. – I just assumed that it did. Therefore I must admit that my “homemade” rock salt plug I used may have had “a few shortcomings” to say the least

pochas
October 20, 2011 3:02 pm

NetDr says:
October 20, 2011 at 7:25 am
“Now I am not certain the CO2 causes any warming at all.”
Not in your sealed jar. But in nature convection controls maximum temperature in the daytime, so maximum temperatures depend only on the weight of air above a square inch of surface, which is 14.7 pounds. At night convection goes away and radiation via the “clear window” from either the surface or cloud tops sets the cooling rate. CO2 does restrict the clear window somewhat, so the rate of cooling will be reduced and the minimum temperatures will rise somewhat, especially at high latitudes. We hope the polar bears can deal with this very small impact. The Inuit will do just fine.
What is meant by the clear window is evident from the Wiki atmospheric transmission graphic.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Atmospheric_Transmission.png
Its the blue color in the right-hand panel. CO2 infringes on the right side of the window. Another thing to note is that that transmission outside of the clear window is virtually zero which is fatal to the Trensberthian idea that CO2 raises the emission level to a higher, cooler altitude. In the opaque bands nothing is transmitted though there may be some incident radiation reflected. In the transparent bands radiation passes from the source unimpeded.

zac
October 20, 2011 3:17 pm

Myrrh
Some of what you say does not make sense to me.
If visible light does not create heat, how come I can set fire to a piece of white card when I focus the visible light from the sun falling onto my magnifying glass into just a very small area?
Then that leads to a wider question, If I divert all the visible light coming directly from the Sun onto my magnifying glass and focus that light into a tiny point on the card, why is there not a shadow cast by my magnifying glass?

Chuck Wiese
October 20, 2011 4:56 pm

Hi Anthony: Great experiment. While the results don’t disprove the absorbing characteristics of infrared radiation by CO2, the experiment DOES disprove the claims by Al Gore and his sychophants who claim the temperature of CO2 in a jar will rise faster than plain air due to the radiation. In fact, I would call the Gore video fraudulent in its claims. Is that any surprise with this crowd, the way they have falsified real temperature records and exaggerate the skills of climate models?
For fun I estimated the absorption coefficient of CO2 near 15 microns off of Peter Dietze’s graph ( I don’t have lab accurate data ) and came up with about 102 cm^2/g. Using that, in your CO2 filled jar, the 15 micron band would only have about a 2% transmission at the jar bottom vs. 92% in the jar with 690 ppmv CO2. It appears that the absorbed radiation near 15 microns in the CO2 jar is competing with the lower thermal conductivity coefficient of CO2 compared to air, and thus, in your experiment you were not able to measure any effect by the absorbed infrared radiation inside of the glass compared to the air jar with a higher thermal conductivity. This is interesting because it DOES, in my opinion, disprove AL Gore and Nye’s video, meaning they most likely had their results falsified to once again, boast incorrectly about the “powerful radiative effects of CO2 as a greenhouse gas.”

George E. Smith;
October 20, 2011 5:01 pm

“”””” LazyTeenager says:
October 20, 2011 at 2:30 am
……………………………………..
3. The use of infrared lamps is bogus as far as the atmospheric greenhouse effect is concerned. Just normal visible incandescents would do just as well, since in the actual green house effect the heating effect comes from the sun. “””””
My oh my; how the atmospheric greenhouse effect (as distinct from the greenhouse greenhouse effect) has changed with the repetition.
The AGHG effect doesn’t have anything to do with the sun. Well they often go out of their way to tell us it takes place at night.
The AGHG effect starts with the warm earth surface; whose Temperature averages 288 Kelvins (according to Dr Trenberth and others) and that warm surface emits near black body (maybe gray) long wave infra-red radiation, in the spectral range from about 5.0 microns to 80.0 microns, and peaking at about 10 microns, and about 390 w/m^2 total radiant emittance.
Some small portion of that wide spectrum in the spectral range from 13.5 to 16.5 microns, but centered on about 15 microns, gets captured by atmospheric CO2. Other GHGs grab their little pieces too, but let’s not digress too much. H2Opf course is not a greenhouse gas, but a feedback that amplifies the CO2 effect.
The CO2 gets to oscillating in a bending mode as a result of this absorption, and while flexing its elbows, it bangs into other atmosphere molecules, and sets them buzzing around, thereby heating the atmosphere. The heated atmosphere (so they say) also bangs into the CO2 and sets it flexing again, until sometime it re-emits some 15 micron LWIR radiation, in ALL directions, and about half comes back down to earth and warms it up some more.
That is the AGHG effect as it is taught; Now not everybody believes that; but pretty much everyone believes that the sun is not involved in that exchange since it all happens at night.
Now yes of course, it is the sun that warmed the earth surface in the first placel but let’sw not let simple facts get in the way of a good story.
So NO, the sun or a visible incandescent lamp will not do, because they both emit totally different energy spectra from the earth’s 288 K surface. Besides Myrrh says visible light won’t heat anything; and if anybody knows it surely is him..
Remeber the AGHG effect warms up the planet at night, and the sun warms it during the day; well so they say.

Myrrh
October 20, 2011 5:33 pm

zac says:
October 20, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Myrrh
Some of what you say does not make sense to me.
If visible light does not create heat, how come I can set fire to a piece of white card when I focus the visible light from the sun falling onto my magnifying glass into just a very small area?

Infrared light is invisible..

“Convex lenses produce an image of an object at infinity at their focus; if the sun is imaged, much of the visible and infrared light incident on the lens is concentrated into the small image. A large lens will create enough intensity to burn a flammable object at the focal point. Since ignition can be achieved even with a poorly made lens, lenses have been used as burning-glasses for at least 2400 years.[16] A modern application is the use of relatively large lenses to concentrate solar energy on relatively small photovoltaic cells, harvesting more energy without the need to use larger, more expensive, cells. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convex_lens#Types_of_simple_lenses

However…, lasars of visible light can also burn if the intensity is increased. Which is a whole other subject and doesn’t mean that visible light suddenly becomes capable of moving the molecules in the paper. Visible light may well be ‘highly energetic’, but it is also ‘highly tiny’.. Careful that you include the scale of the wavelengths, AGW has this tendency to chuck out properties so you don’t think beyond the meme ‘energy = heat’. Scale of an electromagnetic wave is a property, just as heavier than air is a property of carbon dioxide, some waves are miles long and big as buildings, gamma rays are a million, or is it a billion? times smaller than visible, you’ll have to check, near infrared, non-thermal, microscopic, thermal big as a pin head. Visible affects matter on an electron scale, not on the larger atomic/molecule.
Then that leads to a wider question, If I divert all the visible light coming directly from the Sun onto my magnifying glass and focus that light into a tiny point on the card, why is there not a shadow cast by my magnifying glass?
Dunno, isn’t there? At a guess I’d say it has something to do with the visible reflecting back off some of the surface, angle of incidence and all that, at the boundary layer between air and glass and refraction within the glass outside of concentrated spot which will then exit at different angles – the interference of these waves could perhaps negate any shadow.

Chuck Wiese
October 20, 2011 5:51 pm

George Smith: Your explanation is wrong. If there is any effect by increased CO2 in the atmosphere with respect to ground temperature, it is beacuse of the coupling effect of the increased absorption in the atmosphere as concentration goes up AND solar insolation on the day side. At night, it makes no difference, for water vapor and cloud absorption CONTROL nocturnal radiation ALWAYS to a higher surface temperature.
It is also incorrect to call water vapor a “feedback” that is positively modulated by CO2. If there is any feedback at all, it should be in the opposite direction, as the upper troposphere cools by adding more CO2. That is a LIMITING factor to increasing water vapor and that is a problem for those who believe the AGW orthodoxy. The modeling has failed in making such positive feedback projections and the opposite seems to be the case. This negates most of the claimed forcings by “climate models”…….that are a strange concept in science to begin with in their current construction.

Myrrh
October 20, 2011 6:16 pm

A p.s. to “AGW has this tendency to chuck out properties so you don’t think beyond the meme ‘energy = heat’”. There’s a good description of the different electronic transitions which light effects on the wiki page on translucency – if you can’t find it I’ll fetch for you, time for bed.. But for example, photosynthesis is a chemical creation of sugars from visible energy, not the creation of heat, so other possible effects have to taken into consideration. (Some 90% of the oxygen in our atmosphere is produced by photosynthesis in the oceans, which is plant life using the energy of blue and red wavelengths.)

Matthew
October 20, 2011 6:27 pm

Has anyone noticed, that the atmosphere of a greenhouse is actually high in oxygen and low in carbon dioxide?

M2Cents
October 20, 2011 7:57 pm

Did you correct for the effect of the studio lighting, frequently it is very bright?
Also, they may have gotten impatient waiting for the CO2 container to come equilibrium temperature before starting the experiment and warmed the container to speed it up. That would have given it a “thermal inertia” that would continue to warm the CO2 and produced the observed rise. 😉

Mark Albright
October 20, 2011 7:58 pm

Anthony, your great post would hold considerably more credibiity in our Atmospheric Sciences Dept if you would correct the error about how a real greenhouse works in Step 3. As has been stated several times in comments, a greenhouse primarily heats up by limiting convection as hot air is unable to escape upwards through the glass ceiling and be replaced by cooler air aloft.
-Mark A

KevinK
October 20, 2011 8:01 pm

Ken Harvey said;
“What a pity it is that the reputation of the Nobel Prize has been sullied by the likes of Gore.”
Well……. The reputation of the Nobel Prize was tarnished quite a bit when the “doctor” that “perfected” the Lobotomy operation was awarded one for his efforts!
Before his ”breakthrough” a lobotomy required a full operating room with anesthetics etc. The award of his Nobel Prize was based on making the lobotomy “simple” I.E. it could be done easily sans anesthetics with a “surgical” instrument that was nothing more than a FANCY screwdriver that was “inserted” above the eyeballs of the unlucky recipient of the operation. Additional details ommited in the name of good taste.
I for one would REFUSE a Nobel Prize in the unlikely event I was selected for one.
Cheers, Kevin.

Brian H
October 20, 2011 8:38 pm

zac;
QED.
I note SfR was wiser than you.

Jeff D
October 20, 2011 8:45 pm

Matthew says:
October 20, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Has anyone noticed, that the atmosphere of a greenhouse is actually high in oxygen and low in carbon dioxide?
At night that switches around but still a net gain in oxygen overall. Also one of the reasons that the CO2 levels can change over a wheat field by 400ppm depending on when the sample is taken.

R. Gates
October 20, 2011 8:56 pm

climatereason says:
October 20, 2011 at 12:56 pm
R Gates
good grief, I thought it was a simple question. 🙂
If you drew a trend line of warming, at which year in the past would it end up (eg Like in Giss). At which point along the way could it be dubbed ‘natural’ and at which point ‘man made?
Thanks
tonyb
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I have no idea, but I doubt it is that clear cut. There would never be a single year, but rather a period of years or even decades when trends begin to appear that can’t be explained by any known forcings. At first, natural variability would mask the warming trend in any individual year or even over a decade, but eventually the longer term forcing of CO2 at continually rising levels would overwhelm shorter term effects like ENSO and solar cycles. At least this is what the climate models appear to show.

October 20, 2011 8:57 pm

Myrrh;
However…, lasars of visible light can also burn if the intensity is increased. Which is a whole other subject and doesn’t mean that visible light suddenly becomes capable of moving the molecules in the paper. >>>>
1. Yes it does.
2. High intensity burns just like you said, proving that visible light carries energy capable of heating.
3. You demand proof, provide the proof yourself, and then insist that it isn’t proof.
4. This is called being willfuly blind. An apt description in this case since if visible light was incapable of affecting the molecules in the back of your eyeballs, you’d be unable to see. If the intensity gets too high, it will burn the backs of your eyeballs out, and you really will be blind. Which is why you don’t look directly at the sun, even through glass which blocks infrared.

October 20, 2011 9:17 pm

R. Gates;
I have no idea>>>
Finaly, R. Gates says someting that I can fully agree with.

October 20, 2011 9:18 pm

R. Gates says:
“I have no idea…”
Truer words were never spoken. Thanx for your baseless opinion about always-inaccurate computer models.

George E. Smith;
October 20, 2011 10:54 pm

“”””” Chuck Wiese says:
October 20, 2011 at 5:51 pm
George Smith: Your explanation is wrong. If there is any effect by increased CO2 in the atmosphere with respect to ground temperature, it is beacuse of the coupling effect of the increased absorption in the atmosphere as concentration goes up AND solar insolation on the day side. At night, it makes no difference, for water vapor and cloud absorption CONTROL nocturnal radiation ALWAYS to a higher surface temperature. “””””
Chuck; perhaps you might look up “tongue-in-cheek” in some “dictionary of coloquialisms”.
I can’t believe you took that post of mine seriously; I was just aping the AGW party line; which I find just as untenable as you do; so you evidently have not read very much of what I have posted at WUWT.
In the event that there might be other readers who were also mislead; my sincere apologies.
However, I find I can’t accept your premise that surface Temperatures will increase after sundown due to water vapor and clouds. I’d really like to see some recording themometer trace, showing surface Temperatures increasing after sunset, because of water vapor or clouds; in my experience it ALWAYS cools down after sunset; it NEVER warms up. (excepting of course the obvious case, where a totally different air mass moves in from a different warmer location)
It is an earlier (much) warmer, and humid day that results in evening water vapor at higher altitudes, which subsequently forms high clouds, when it cools down to the dew point. The daytime surface conditions determine the evening temperature and cloud/humidity condition; NOT the other way round. NO high altitude cloud ever caused the surface Temperature to go UP at night.

October 20, 2011 11:29 pm

Matthew, many greenhouse operators use CO2 generators to keep CO2 levels elevated in their greenhouses, typically to 1000 or 1200 ppm, because plants grow better with more CO2.
http://www.google.com/search?q=co2+generator+greenhouse

Chuck Wiese
October 20, 2011 11:32 pm

George: My apologies if you were jiving the other side.That wasn’t clear to me. In regards to nocturnal radiation, no, I was not stating that water vapor and clouds cause warming ( in general) at night. What I meant was that those two constituents ALWAYS absorb far more infrared radiation than CO2 alone, therefore, the nocturnal cooling because of them will always be LESS than CO2, meaning nocturnal temperatures are always HIGHER because of the vapor and clouds. But the process at night is still always COOLING.
Sorry again for not getting your sarcasm. But I do like it:D

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