The climate movement becomes "occupied"

It seems that climate advocate Bill McKibben has jumped the shark. As evident on the 350.org website, it is no longer about climate in any way shape or form, of course, based on past behavior, it probably never was. Just have a look at some of the recent pronouncements from the 350.org website:

and from two days ago…

Listen to what McKibben and some of his fellow protestors have to say:

But even our own Willis Eschenbach thinks the XL pipeline issue is ridiculous, because there is really only one question: Where will the oil be burned?

I think this image sums up this farce pretty well:

DownWithEvilCorporations.jpg

I wonder what corporate airline Bill McKibben uses to jet around the world to speak of the evils of CO2 and corporations?

The only thing missing from the picture (though it is likely in there somewhere) is Apple Corporation, purveyor of (in my opinion, highly overpriced) computers which have an almost fanatical following in some circles.Now before you launch into an automatic Mac-vs-PC war, please read why I’m pointing this out.

Apple is company number one (according to Bloomberg) in growth and revenue, and #1 in tech (according to NYT) but the same people who complain about Wall Street, think nothing of getting fleeced by Apple for a computer you can buy for about a third of the price elsewhere.

While everyone is free to choose what computer works best for them, I find that lack of labeling of Apple as a “greedy corporation” very ironic, particularly in light of the worker abusechild labor problems and environmental problems left in the wake of the manufacturing of Apple’s products in China. It is doubly ironic that some of the loudest and most acidic voices about climate  and greed, are Apple product users, and raise not a peep about such problems. Apple gets a pass, probably because the Goreacle endorses the company and sits on its board.

But that’s a side issue, especially when one of the most intelligent and reasonable persons I know, WUWT author Willis Eschenbach, is a Mac user. I only point out Apple Corporation in this context because the occupy protesters and climate activists don’t see the very profitable and ethically/ecologically questionable Apple Corporation as being in the same class of evil corporations they protest for the very same reasons.

The real issue with “occupy” is the lack of rational thought and direction by this “movement”. Even the MSM and some university newspapers are noticing this. For example, watch this video from “occupyAtlanta”. They are actually proud of making a civil rights leader leave.

And in case you were wondering about the political angle, be sure to recite the Marxist chant:

The mindless droning has spread to Seattle:

They may as well be chanting Imhotep Imhotep! Imhotep!!

There’s  a name for people like this: useful idiots.

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October 9, 2011 9:36 pm

DTarris says:
October 9, 2011 at 8:35 pm
There is no reason why the generation following yours, regardless of which generation you represent, should have to inherit the results of your decisions, They need not inherit your method of elections, your methods of governing, nor your beliefs about what the world should be like. The sooner they understand this and say “Piss off, I’m not going along with this failed paradigm”, the sooner they’ll be able to change the world for the better. And if you’re still a member of the breathing, you’ll most likely be happy they did.
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You whining, sniveling,…….. . Failed paradigm? Where in the hell are you speaking about? You’re talking about failed this and wrong that? While you typing into your PC with your internet connection? Poor you? Poor us? As bad as things are here, they are infinitely better than most places on earth. And you want to “piss off” a socioeconomic-political system that has worked for over 200 years? Why? Because we elect people that sell themselves to the highest bidder? Or is it because you don’t like the reality that not everyone can own a home?
Does this nation have problems? Yes. Can it be better? Yes, and it will. But while you’re whining about our methods of elections and inheriting the results of decisions, and better methods of governing, you should get on your knees and thank God you did inherit the decisions of the prior generation. You should thank God you inherited the greatest legacy known in the history of this world.

Red Jeff
October 9, 2011 9:40 pm

Speaking of “Occupied” wonder where the protesters go potty? Find out! http://watch.ctv.ca/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart/latest-episodes/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-ep-17004-october-6-2011/#clip545823 Try not to laugh too much at 3:25.

savethesharks
October 9, 2011 9:49 pm

R. Gates says:
October 9, 2011 at 9:14 pm
To follow up on this comment just a bit, where I said:
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Oh god must you regurgitate again?? We get your point.
But what you are saying has been said many moments ago…so there is nothing to be said.
Best to be silent, R Gates, but you don’t know how to do that.
Stop plastering the blogosphere with your cojoneless rants. It gets old.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

savethesharks
October 9, 2011 9:52 pm

James Sexton says:
October 9, 2011 at 8:51 pm
The protest, btw, has spread to D.C. Here’s a telling couple of interviews……
http://www.wearechange.org/?p=9849
It starts a bit strange, but its worth the watch to the end.
James
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Just signed up for this Adam Kokesh dude. He is the real deal. Thanks for the link.
I love to see people who are very ALIVE (and who have proved themselves on the battlefield, like Kokesh). I will listen to them any day…over some spineless, nameless cowards who hide and lurk in the blogosphere.
GO ADAM. Give ’em hell!
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

R. Gates
October 9, 2011 9:56 pm

For some of you who’d like a true scholarly and scientific analysis (as opposed to political) on the network of the top 50 companies that truly do control the flow of money and call the shots around the world, with many strong and multiple ties to leaders in Washington (and other Capitols around the world), see this article:
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf
For those who’d just like to see the list, here it is:
1 BARCLAYS PLC GB
2 CAPITAL GROUP COMPANIES INC,
3 FMR CORP
4 AXA FR 6712
5 STATE STREET CORPORATION
6 JPMORGAN CHASE & CO.
7 LEGAL & GENERAL GROUP PLC
8 VANGUARD GROUP, INC.,
9 UBS AG
10 MERRILL LYNCH & CO., INC.
11 WELLINGTON MANAGEMENT CO. L.L.P.
12 DEUTSCHE BANK AG
13 FRANKLIN RESOURCES, INC.
14 CREDIT SUISSE GROUP
15 WALTON ENTERPRISES LLC
16 BANK OF NEW YORK MELLON CORP.
17 NATIXIS
18 GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP, INC.,
19 T. ROWE PRICE GROUP, INC.
20 LEGG MASON, INC.
21 MORGAN STANLEY
22 MITSUBISHI UFJ FINANCIAL GROUP, INC.
23 NORTHERN TRUST CORPORATION
24 SOCIÉTÉ GÉNÉRALE
25 BANK OF AMERICA CORPORATION
26 LLOYDS TSB GROUP PLC
27 INVESCO PLC
28 ALLIANZ SE
29 TIAA
30 OLD MUTUAL PUBLIC LIMITED COMPANY
31 AVIVA PLC
32 SCHRODERS PLC
33 DODGE & COX
34 LEHMAN BROTHERS HOLDINGS, INC.
35 SUN LIFE FINANCIAL, INC.
36 STANDARD LIFE PLC
37 CNCE
38 NOMURA HOLDINGS, INC.
39 THE DEPOSITORY TRUST COMPANY
40 MASSACHUSETTS MUTUAL LIFE INSUR.
41 ING GROEP N.V.
42 BRANDES INVESTMENT PARTNERS, L.P.
43 UNICREDITO ITALIANO SPA
44 DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION OF JP
45 VERENIGING AEGON
46 BNP PARIBAS
47 AFFILIATED MANAGERS GROUP, INC.
48 RESONA HOLDINGS, INC.
49 CAPITAL GROUP INTERNATIONAL, INC.
50 CHINA PETROCHEMICAL GROUP CO.

Mike H.
October 9, 2011 10:05 pm

Thank you harrywr2, I’ll study up on it. We don’t see that much of it here in Spokane.

JPeden
October 9, 2011 10:07 pm

Ian H says:
October 9, 2011 at 8:50 pm
The US is now a grossly unfair and unequal society in dire economic straights.
Compared to what? The equal enslavement and poverty Communism/Socialism always produces, which is now being offered again by the latte’ Commie, Obama, right here in America. Why is he doubling down on what hasn’t worked? Except, of course, for his successful looting of America for the benefit of his cronies and “pay to players”. That’s his plan for you, too, Ian. Because what eventually happens under Obama’s obvious Communist mentality is that you will also have some “wealth” the Gov’t wants to redistribute, to itself.
Question, what demographic age group does the whine, “It’s not fair”, characterize? That’s right, the whine is infantile.

edbarbar
October 9, 2011 10:18 pm

Well, I for one hope this site doesn’t become a polarized site looking at the inanities of the left, no matter how stupid. I would much prefer this site to remain focused on AGW. There is enough to talk about without looking at the inanities of leftists trying to make a broader reality out of it (except for good ole Al. That man deserves every tawdry exposure possible).

October 9, 2011 10:30 pm

R. Gates says:
October 9, 2011 at 9:02 pm
“This is my point about the Tea-Party and the Occupy group actually having the same enemy, but that enemy would not want them to realize that.”
You should note, the TEA party is already cogent who the enemy is. Witness where and who they protested. The various corporations are simply doing what corporations do. It is up to the people to determine if we’re going to work for them or if they are going to work for us.
To put it another way, it isn’t corporate America that’s the problem. It is how we allow them to act. The fact is, if this country is going to start moving in the direction we need, we need a healthy corporate America.
Gates, later you wrote, “…..a too big of Government that has gotten too cozy and controlled by big money.”……..
Yes, the TEA party is fully aware of this. I’m a bit shocked that you didn’t know the position the TEA party has taken on this and the chilly reception the Republican party has given them. To catch you up to date. The TEA party turned to the Republican party because it was suppose to be the “conservative” party. There is a fear of the TEA party by the Republican party, and an abject disdain for them in the blue blood power structure of the north east. The only reason they give them any deference is because they know they can’t win without them.
If these OWS people are serious about reform, the first thing they should do, is disavow that we should be an entitlement country and then join with the TEA party. The TEA party would then show them how to actually rally and protest. And, perhaps, we could have a powerful 3rd party. But, they would first have to disavow wanting this nation to become an entitlement nation.
James

October 9, 2011 10:39 pm

edbarbar says:
October 9, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Well, I for one hope this site doesn’t become a polarized site looking at the inanities of the left, no matter how stupid.
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Ed, I wish it were possible. But, it isn’t. Look at the subject of this post. The CAGW question is political. Look at the implications of this issue. Food, energy, fuel, water, markets……. it isn’t cooling that they want, it is power.

Larry Fields
October 9, 2011 11:05 pm

Has the climate movement really been ‘occupied’? I’m not sure what that means. Here’s a complementary perspective.
The leaders of CAGW organizations are well aware that ‘climate fatigue’ is setting in rapidly. In addition to ‘saving the planet’, they’d like to maintain a constant revenue stream. Now they’re branching out, and competing for the smaller pieces of the environmental pie.
Many years ago, the Sierra Club used to be about National Parks and wilderness areas. Since then, they’ve enhanced their position (and revenue), by embracing most of the popular environmental issues, and so lesser-known ones too.
Several years ago, there was a local ballot measure about widening I-50 in the Easternmost part of Sacramento County. The primary beneficiaries were yuppie commuters, living just across the county line, in El Dorado Hills. The Mother Lode chapter of the SC pointed this out, and even though the ballot measure passed, our local environmentalists performed a public service.
I see diversification on the part of 350.org and similar organizations as a good thing.
Not long ago, CAGW had eclipsed all of the legitimate environmental issues. I’m cautiously optimistic that more of these will be coming to the fore. Example: Jennifer Marohasy may be getting more traction on evidence-based water policies in Australia.

R. Gates
October 9, 2011 11:09 pm

James Sexton says:
October 9, 2011 at 10:30 pm
“To put it another way, it isn’t corporate America that’s the problem. It is how we allow them to act. The fact is, if this country is going to start moving in the direction we need, we need a healthy corporate America”
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I don’t disagree with any of what you said. Corporations are ways we can collectively provide goods and services and thereby earn a livelihood, that we couldn’t otherwise do on our own. And “how we allow” Corporations to act is up to our collective choice to make, and that collective choice would be reflected in the laws that are made in Washington. To be the will of “We the People”, those laws must be written by the people, and for the people, and not by the Corporations. And guess what, no matter what that inflated body of overly self-important and corporately controlled individuals says (aka The Supreme Court), Corporations are not people.

DTarris
October 9, 2011 11:10 pm

James Sexton,
“Whining, sniveling…”
I fail to see where that tone can be read in anything I’ve said, which leaves me only with your state of mind. You’re angry with anyone who wants to rock your boat. I can understand that – don’t really look at it as a point of confidence, but you’re welcome to it.
Personally, I aspire to the concept of “reach for the stars” when it comes to human evolution and a goal for the species. Unfortunately, you appear to be reaching for – the table top or the shelf just above the one you can reach easily from where you are right now.
I don’t know you, I don’t know what you’ve done with your life or what you’ve done for the species as a whole. And yet I can see you, feel your presence. It’s everything I find uncomfortable and upsetting about the middle class who have, more by luck and timing, settled into a bizarre view of the world as a vast shopping mall put there just for you to play in. You seem to totally miss that all humans do not have to be peaceful to get what they want, and by virtue that they have, you have been allowed to live the life that you seem to be thankful for. You’re lucky. But everyone else doesn’t have to look at McDonalds and other corporations as saviours of the human race, they don’t have to kneel down and thank (god) for what they’ve inherited. If they wanted to instead follow a Darwinian path, they would do as the military industrial complex has – they’d equip themselves with weapons and take the world as their own. But, again, you’re lucky that they actually don’t believe in just taking from others (please withstand the desire to spout of some other mindless tripe here), they don’t believe that they should have to kill others to get the world they want. In the end, they actually want to live in coexistence, in peace, even with you.
They do have to define their target, not take out their frustrations on the small businesses that have to survive in the areas of the occupations. I do hope that they will not alienate the private businesses in the same way that the NYPD have been alienating the very people who, amongst other concerns, are actually concerned for the well-being of the officers and their families.
What can you offer, to be constructive? We have a political system in Canada wherein an election can result in 24% of the population determining a “majority” government. I don’t know about you, but even before I was in a grade high enough to be called math, it took over 50% to be considered a majority. You’re a little better off in the US with only two names to the parties, it’s just unfortunate that they actually represent the same interests – not much of a choice.

pat
October 9, 2011 11:25 pm

while many may try to co-opt the OWS movement, the public in Iceland, Ireland, Greece etc – and now the US – are basically saying they don’t want their taxes bailing out what is called the “too big to fail” banks. what on earth is wrong with that?
loonies and hypocrites are not partisan:
6 Oct: WaPo: Westboro Baptist Church uses iPhone to announce protest at Steve Jobs’s funeral
“Westboro will picket his funeral.He had a huge platform; gave God no glory & taught sin,” Margie tweeted Wednesday night on her iPhone.
The Topeka, Kan. based church is mostly made up of Phelps family members but has risen to international infamy because of their funeral protests of celebrities and American soldiers. The church’s members believe that God punishes America for its tolerance of sin, including acceptance of homosexuality.
The iPhone-wielding Westboro members seemed unable to find any irony in their embrace of the technology of a man they condemn. One church member even suggested that God was using Jobs to help advance the message of Westboro Baptist Church: “God used Steve Jobs to create amazing STUFF for WBC to preach,” wrote Shirley Phelps-Roper…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/westboro-baptist-church-uses-iphone-to-announce-steve-jobs-funeral-protest/2011/10/06/gIQAJqBjPL_blog.html

October 9, 2011 11:30 pm

R. Gates says:
October 9, 2011 at 11:09 pm
James Sexton says:
October 9, 2011 at 10:30 pm
And guess what, no matter what that inflated body of overly self-important and corporately controlled individuals says (aka The Supreme Court), Corporations are not people.
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Agreed

Dave Wendt
October 9, 2011 11:35 pm

R. Gates says:
October 9, 2011 at 9:56 pm
For some of you who’d like a true scholarly and scientific analysis (as opposed to political) on the network of the top 50 companies that truly do control the flow of money and call the shots around the world,
I don’t think much of the ” true scholarly and scientific analysis” which in Sept 2011 lists as one of the “top 50 companies that truly do control the flow of money and call the shots around the world” 34 LEHMAN BROTHERS HOLDINGS, INC. They don’t appear to have been paying much attention.

Gareth Phillips
October 9, 2011 11:48 pm

R. Gates says:
October 9, 2011 at 9:56 pm
For some of you who’d like a true scholarly and scientific analysis (as opposed to political) on the network of the top 50 companies that truly do control the flow of money and call the shots around the world, with many strong and multiple ties to leaders in Washington (and other Capitols around the world), see this article:
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf
For those who’d just like to see the list, here it is:
1 BARCLAYS PLC GB etc etc etc and many many others.
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Thanks R.Gates, it’s great to see someone posting information on the reality of the situation and not letting political bias from the left or right try to hide the catastrophe these financiers have brought upon ordinary hard working people and how much influence they still wield. Your list may well be a genuine inconvenient truth.

October 10, 2011 12:24 am

DTarris says:
October 9, 2011 at 11:10 pm
James Sexton,
“Whining, sniveling…”
Sorry, when you stated,

“There is no reason why the generation following yours, regardless of which generation you represent, should have to inherit the results of your decisions,They need not inherit your method of elections, your methods of governing, nor your beliefs about what the world should be like. The sooner they understand this and say “Piss off, I’m not going along with this failed paradigm”, the sooner they’ll be able to change the world for the better. And if you’re still a member of the breathing, you’ll most likely be happy they did.”

It seemed like you were calling for a complete destruction of the socio-economic-political system we have in this country. That thing which was founded by the words of our Constitution. If that wasn’t what you were calling for….. sorry, you should be more clear and not leave things to be inferred.
You’re right. You don’t know me. I live in a state where our motto is, ad astra per aspera . If you had bothered reading any of my prior comments, you’d see that I’m no fan of corporate anything.
I don’t know you, but when you state, “You seem to totally miss that all humans do not have to be peaceful to get what they want, and by virtue that they have, you have been allowed to live the life that you seem to be thankful for.” You tell me all I care to know.
But, before I get to anything else. I’d like to point out, that you are Canadian. I’m well aware that you have your own problems up north. Be a good neighbor and don’t try to impose them on us to the south. You assistance is neither required nor desired.
About me…….. yeh, I was born to a middle class family. And, I am one of the luckiest persons alive. Through choices made by none other than myself, I found myself in some very dire situations. I was even to the point of homelessness for a time. Homeless, broke, no job, no vehicle, nothing but the clothes on my back, a duffel bag of shirts and a pair of jeans, a folded flag, a rifle, and a Bible. My first wife had my children and I couldn’t even provide help for them. Through the Grace of God, I was able to get work, after several months, as a laborer for a bridge construction company. I met a wonderful woman, reconciled with my children. I found a less transient job at a factory. Through correspondence and night classes I was able to finish my education. …….. there’s much more to say, but you don’t need to hear the rest. Corporations didn’t do that for me. I don’t owe them anything and neither am I envious of what they have. I’ve little patience for whiners.
You ask, “What can you offer, to be constructive?” Plenty. Just click on the link my name provides. Among other things, I offer some primers on economics, energy, and what it takes for a nation to become productive and its populace wealthy. You are more than welcome to read and comment. I’ve never deleted a comment, save for the spam, nor will I unless it is profane. Do pop by. The first comment is moderated, but after that your comments will go straight through.
Now, I have a question for you. You say there is a target. Ok, what is the intention? And after whatever these people are trying to accomplish, then what? If these aren’t clear in your mind, it is foolish to embark on such a venture.
As to your laughable statement about people don’t have to peacefully exist…… I’m very familiar with people that haven’t. Turns out, most of us have already learned that lesson and have taken necessary steps to ensure our existence….. ideally in peace…. Lunatic whinebags don’t inspire fear. They inspire mockery.
DT, I wish you well, and I wish you clarity.
James

JPeden
October 10, 2011 12:33 am

DTarris says:
October 9, 2011 at 6:39 pm
I’m guessing a large number of the posters on this thread are perfectly happy with how things have gone – some have managed to buy up foreclosed properties, had good returns from investments in third world countries where people are forced or coerced into working for far less than the equivalent job in North America…
Right, every time a poor person is born in Africa, I get richer. And as I’ve said to no end and little credit, it appears, I do loves me some latte’ Commie Communism coming to America! At least in your own troubled dreams…..
But it’s time for you to wake up, little one. People take the exported jobs in third world countries obviously because those are the best jobs available, and you dare to complain about it? I guess you’d feel better if the jobs and investments didn’t go there? And why do you want the pay for work to be higher than the local going rate, when it would just be undercut by other potential workers available right back down toward the going rate anyway. Or should only certain people get “rich” in those countries, and thus possibly drive up the local prices for a lot of goods for everyone else? Just so you can feel good? And even though you are against the 1%?
And you don’t want forclosed properties to be bought? What, just let them sit there and rot, somewhat like the usual process employed in creating those Demokkkrat run black Inner City Ghettos in the U.S.?
Quite simply, DTarris, you are living in a Fantasyland populated by delusional “perception is reality” Stereotypes which feed and gratify your own false sense of righteousness and omniscience. So you are reduced to just making things up, and you should therefore worry more about the workings of your own mind against reality:
“I guess it would seem more authentic to the majority of posters who feel that the occupations are a joke if the protesters showed up naked, used smoke signals to communicate…”
What, you mean PETA hasn’t shown up yet? But I thought there already was nudity there as well as an authentic demonstration of the process of “elimination” to boot! That should win some converts to your cause, DT. Mob rule forever!
“if you can’t look past the star maker machinery [ed. – Joni Mitchell] and elect someone like Dennis Kucinich”
You mean the same benefit-rich Congressman who sued the Congressional co-op because he injured a tooth while eating free food there? Right on!
QED

Blade
October 10, 2011 12:51 am

Apparently some people seem to be easily distracted, which is the real purpose of the Wall Street Socialist protesters. The goal is to get the unthinking fence-sitters to believe that some tweaking to the banking system and tax rates will plug up the thousand holes sinking the ship. Yeah right. It’s kinda like how some people insist that AGW is purely a scientific argument. No amount of tweaking and most definitely no amount of increased Socialism can solve this …
Wikipedia: 2010 United States Federal Budget


$2.381 trillion (est) Revenue
$3.552 trillion (est) Spending
——————————
$1.171 trillion (est) Deficit

Wikipedia: 2011 United States Federal Budget


$2.17 trillion (est) Revenue
$3.82 trillion (est) Spending
——————————
$1.65 trillion (est) Deficit

Stark Dickflüssig [October 9, 2011 at 1:33 pm] says:
“Precisely. Foaming at the mouth right-wingers (like the Tea Party) … Peaceful, nonviolent, well groomed moderates (like the Occupy Wall Street crowd) … why is Manhattan under water”

Brilliantly played my friend! Although the humor challenged may require the SARC tag to decipher it.

Torgeir Hansson [October 9, 2011 at 2:11 pm] says:
“You have to be living in a cave if you don’t understand what the Tea Party and the OWS crowd is protesting against. … The policies in effect concentrate wealth among a few people at the top. We can change the policies.”

You do not understand this at all. Keep reading and learn something from the schooling of R.Gates coming up …

Gary Leaver [October 9, 2011 at 5:33 pm] says:
“Why has not anyone rejected their premise? “We are the 50% who pay 97% of the taxes.” How many of us are in the streets protesting? probably not many, too busy working I guess.”

Bingo! These losers are complaining a little early. Just wait until the welfare spigots are turned off and they really have a problem.

R. Gates [October 9, 2011 at 9:02 pm] says:
“This is my point about the Tea-Party and the Occupy group actually having the same enemy, but that enemy would not want them to realize that.”

R. Gates [October 9, 2011 at 9:14 pm] says:
“When the Tea-Party and OWS groups realize they have the same enemy and unite, we might have a fighting chance to get our democracy back!”

Yeah right, except for the fact that they are opposite. Like taxpayers and welfare recipients. Like Black ink and Red ink. TEA Party is black ink. Socialist malcontents are red ink. Not surprising that you would mess this up, it is similar to saying that increasing snow is a sign of global warming. Tea Party (actually TEA Party), Taxed Enough Already, are all about fiscal responsibility, limited government and Constitutionalism. This is as pro-American as you can possibly get.
The Wall Street socialists are for everything the TEA movement and traditional America is against. They want even more regulation than we already have, they want more taxes, and would shred the Constitution and torch American flags whenever the opportunity presents itself. They become apoplectic at the mere though of downsizing government in the slightest (unless it is the military of course). Lumping these socialists together with the TEA party folks can only result from the scattered anti-logical thought process of an AGW cultist.
Although we have a Constitutional Republic, you say: “get our democracy back”! Well, your democracy didn’t go anywhere R.Gates. It is there on display right in front of your face in lower Manhattan. It was on display in the UK some weeks ago also. Mob rule, I suggest you get used to it. These malcontents, as incompetent as they are in life, can sense what is coming. The inevitable collapse of the welfare state where a small fraction of black ink supports the vast majority of red ink parasites. Even you R.Gates will be considered their enemy. That’s how they roll.
Finally … Compare the TEA Party with OWS.

J Svj
October 10, 2011 12:56 am

Mindless droning, perhaps, but the reason the crowd is repeating the words of the speaker is that the police have banned the use of PA systems and the repetition is done so everyone can hear his words.

DTarris
October 10, 2011 1:02 am

Gareth states: “Thanks R.Gates, it’s great to see someone posting information on the reality of the situation and not letting political bias from the left or right try to hide the catastrophe these financiers have brought upon ordinary hard working people and how much influence they still wield. Your list may well be a genuine inconvenient truth.”
This is fabulous. Go through the list, ensure that the specific corporations actually still exist and point it in the direction of the protesters. Make it possible for them to narrow their aim to specifics and not continue to appear as casting an all encompassing net that catches all incorporated businesses. I would hope that as the objectives of the protesters are refined, so will the message. Lend your warnings regarding organizations of narrow focus who will attempt to take hold of the attention and make this movement about their specific cause. The closer the protesters get to identifying the real culprits, the more likely they are to succeed.
This blog recognizes a polarized left and right within the political arena, and yet I believe the majority of people in the US and Canada would be a varied mix of the elements that make up those extremes, within each person. I hold the belief that the majority of people want the same out of life for themselves, their families and friends. This includes the protesters. Some “journalists” have focused on very small samples of participants and through this narrow focus, painted a picture of a less than ragtag group of kids suffering from ignorance – to which some viewers have decided defines the entire group of protesters. This is unfair and serves no useful purpose. It is also equally as naive as those young protesters.

DTarris
October 10, 2011 1:05 am

As J Svj states: “Mindless droning, perhaps, but the reason the crowd is repeating the words of the speaker is that the police have banned the use of PA systems and the repetition is done so everyone can hear his words.”
It also has the added benefit of repeating the messages for the NYPD – perhaps some of the message will eventually get through to them. At the very least, perhaps they’ll lift the ban on megaphones and other forms of amplification… even if only to get rest for their ears.

DTarris
October 10, 2011 1:39 am

James, to your comment “You are more than welcome to read and comment. I’ve never deleted a comment, save for the spam, nor will I unless it is profane. Do pop by. The first comment is moderated, but after that your comments will go straight through.”
Thank you, I will definitely visit your links. I apologize for the reaction to “whining, sniveling…”, I do usually try to find out more about someone before I choose to respond to… undiplomatic name calling.
Yes, we do have big problems in Canada, even though we’re not saddled with a privately owned central bank – we just have privately owned political parties.
I’ve had my own companies since the mid seventies, so have hired far more people than the number of companies I’ve worked for before that. That said, my own businesses would all fall into the category of small business, sometimes incorporated, sometimes not. Some of my clients included large national corporations, who were usually the hardest to deal with – separate accounts receivable and accounts payable with suitably polarized job descriptions. I’m happy to say that my work for those firms has been completed and I can now focus on dealing with clients I enjoy dealing with. The economy has been very hard on my new startup manufacturing business though, I see many of my potential customer base being put out of work or at the very least, their own work cut back to the point where they can’t afford my products. Most of them are running their own small businesses, working hard to keep going.
We will all gain more clarity over the coming months, whether we like it or not. I’m hoping we all come through intact. Cheers!

Dave Springer
October 10, 2011 2:24 am

Allencic says:
October 9, 2011 at 1:19 pm
“What do you expect from people who have wasted a $100K or so on a worthless college education by avoiding all math, science, economics, etc. possible and majoring in subjects that no company with any functioning brain cells would possibly consider hiring. I wonder how many of the protesters have majoried in Victorian Female Authors or Organic Composting or Transgender Studies or Sustainability Studies? You imbeciles don’t have good paying jobs because you don’t know anything that is of even minimal value to any employer.”
Actually teh university system is one huge racket in and of itself. If imparting knowledge and skills were the real goal, whether it be engineering or sustainability studies, then self-education would be allowed and individuals would be allowed to simply take standardized tests at some small nominal fee to demonstrate (or not) their mastery of the subject and be awarded degrees thereby.
The real goal however is perpetuating the employment of college faculty and administrators. The university system is a multi-billion dollar industry that employs a great many people. Self-interest is the driving force not altruism. Follow the money…

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