Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
In yet another futile attempt to explain away what I see as the reasonable and justified skeptical American reaction to the unending stream of nonsense being peddled as climate science these days, we have an article by a Special Correspondent to the Associated Press. I don’t know what makes the correspondent so special, but I suppose “Slightly Confused Correspondent” doesn’t have that same ring to it. The article is called “The American ‘allergy’ to global warming: Why?“.
Inter alia, the report talks about a 1975 study by Dr. Wally Broecker published in Science magazine. I love finding new papers I haven’t read, particularly early ones. The study was titled “Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?“. The AP report says:
In the paper, Columbia University geoscientist Wally Broecker calculated how much carbon dioxide would accumulate in the atmosphere in the coming 35 years, and how temperatures consequently would rise. His numbers have proven almost dead-on correct.
In other words, the Special Correspondent’s claim is that we Americans are idiots not to believe in global warming, since Wally figured it all out thirty-five years ago, duh.
Well, that’s a bit of an exaggeration. His numbers were passable, not “dead-on correct”. But the interesting part is how he got the numbers. Here’s his graph:
ORIGINAL CAPTION: Fig. 1. Curves for the global temperature change due to chemical fuel CO2, natural climatic cycles, and the sum of the two effects. The measured temperature anomaly for successive 5-year means from meteorological records over the last century is given for comparison.
Dr. Broecker claims the temperature will follow a combination of the CO2 effect plus the Camp Century cycles. So … what are these gloriously named “Camp Century cycles” when they are not out working overtime for the good Doctor?
It turns out that Dr. Broecker is utilizing an analysis of the “Camp Century” ice cores from Greenland. The data is held at the NOAA Paleoclimatology World Databank. Broecker says that there is an underlying regular cyclic temperature variation in the ice core data. He is using the change in the relative amount of an oxygen isotope (∂O18) as a proxy for the temperature. It is not clear whether he used the exact data as is currently archived at NOAA.
Broecker says that there are two strong cycles in the data, at 80 and 180 years. He then derives the smoothed sinusoidal curve of the superposition of those putative 80 and 180 year underlying cycles. This is the curve called “Camp Century cycles” in his Figure 1.
To the Camp Century cycle he then adds the CO2 effect, and says that the result shows the future evolution of the global surface air temperature. TA DA!
So what’s not to like in his analysis?
Well, first, when I analyze the Camp Century ∂O18 data I find no strong 80 or 180 year cycles. As I mentioned, this may be because he used other data. But the dataset available at NOAA doesn’t show much in the way of regular cycles at all. In addition, Dr. Scafetta has assured us that the cycles are not 80 and 180 years … they are 60 and 20 years. I’ll let him settle that with Dr. Broecker.
Second, his temperature data (shown in Figure 1 by the heavy solid black line) doesn’t agree with the modern (HadCRUT3 or GISS) data. This is not surprising, as he is using temperatures given in a reference called “J. M. Mitchell, Arid Zone Monograph 20 (UNESCO, Paris, 1963), pp. 161-181″. In Figure 2 I have overlaid his data with the actual HadCRUT data.
Figure 2. Broecker’s Figure 1, overlaid with the actual HadCRUT3 temperature data in red. I have aligned them at the 1900 mark.
My first comment is that the HadCRUT3 temperature (red line) follows the “CO2 effect” line (solid line with round black dots) much more strongly than it follows “CO2 effect plus the Camp Century cycles” (heavy dashed line). However, his combination of Camp Century cycles and CO2 does a better job of explaining the drop in temperatures from about 1945 to 1970. Overall, his results not a very good fit to either line. Are they “almost dead-on correct” as the Special Correspondent claims? Hardly.
The main issue, however, is not how poor the fit is. It is that he has gotten these results using a method which I have not seen used much, a combination of CO2 plus some presumed underlying cycles. Mainstream climate scientists don’t do that much.
So we are left with a few possibilities:
1. Broecker got it right all the way down the line, and modern climate science just hasn’t caught up with his cyclical brilliance.
2. Broecker got it kinda right, but it could just as easily be by chance.
3. Broecker didn’t get it right at all.
So this 35 year old study is thrown in my face as a reason I shouldn’t be “allergic” to global warming?? I find the title of the article risible. I have many opinions on the global warming hypothesis, but I’m not allergic to any part of it.
I am, however, allergic to claims like those of Dr. Broecker being used as a reason I should swear fealty to the gods of warming. Part of the reason Americans are “allergic” to global warming are the ridiculous claims of useful idiots like the Special Correspondent, who actually seems to believe that Dr. Broecker settled all of these questions long ago.
My regards to all, and please don’t take this as an attack on Dr. Broecker’s work. He did his best with the data and information he had at the time.
w.
(I never did figure out what was so special about the Correspondent … perhaps in addition to believing that Broecker’sresults are “almost dead-on correct”, he can believe six impossible things before breakfast.)
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Does that chart show the 1940s blip to be about 0.5 degrees C higher than just before 1900?
So using a climate sensitivity of 2.4 C per doubling, he’s “dead on”.
Will this be reflected in the “likely” sensitivity presented in the next IPCC report?
I’ve posted this before, This sort of know-it-all doomsday rhetoric is what made me a skeptic.
The Man-Made Global Warming scam becomes evident when one looks at the narrative that spews from the soothsayer alarmists. Only evil and suffering can come from a warmer Earth.
Why can’t it be : “Congratulations children, The Energy sources that fuel our economies and our prosperity, give us long life and comfort, these fossil fuels will also cause our planet to warm gently, about 4 degrees over the next century. What luck!
With the warmth and extra CO2 for plant life, millions of acres of tundra will become forests. Millions of acres of frozen steppe will become arable. Starvation will end. Prosperity will reach even the poorest people. We must keep searching for and burning oil and coal so we can improve our climate and prosper. Humanity will become wealthy. With this wealth we can preserve habitat for animals, protect the rain forest. We will clean the oceans and the land. Our future is bright. We are entering the age of abundance. “
@HaroldW,
Thanks, that’s exactly what I was asking for. He did a good job with the data he had.
@sharper00
I think we are talking past each other. I’m not talking about the CO2 effect in the sense of the actual radiative physics of CO2. I was talking about the “CO2 effect” line in the graph, as it was labeled and illustrated. I was asking specific questions about that graph in and of itself, nothing about CO2 itself–only this paper itself and its methodology.
Thank you for the quotes you pasted.
Sensor operator says:
September 26, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Hey I’m am a pretty skeptical guy – many here will know this from my comments on WUWT, but sheesh, I’m with Sensor operator on this. It seems to me we are expecting a pretty high standard from a guy who was predicting the increase of temp into the new millenium back when everyone else was predicting an ice age. I look at the graph, and if I understand it correctly, it looks pretty darn good for a temperature forecast – better than all the stuff we have seen over the last 10 years. Is it because he tied it to cycles and CO2? By the looks of the diving cycle in the graph, it could pull everything back down again and the folks who predicted an ice age in the 1970s, too, could end up being correct. If so, deal me in on the cycles.
Willis, the author of this article is noted for publishing ONLY CAGW alarmist propaganda on AP, thats why he’s “special”, although his middle initial has changed from J to P on occasion, I suspect he’s just a sock puppet for one of the hockey team members.
I’m with Willis on this. At most, Dr Broecker’s chart looks like chance.
Charts like this tell a different story.
Oops, wrong chart. Here is what I wanted to post.
I particularly liked where he said that ferocity in defense of false beliefs often builds as evidence that the belief is false builds. I just love unconscious irony. It gets a Hall of Honor in my Museum of Irony.
I also liked ‘angry parts’ of the United States.
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Gary Pearse says:
September 26, 2011 at 5:00 pm
I’m with sensor operator insofar that I know well who Wally Broecker is and of his achievements.
My point (which might not have been obvious) is that Broecker built up an elaborate construction involving cycles plus CO2 to forecast the temperature. Now, this construction is being thrown up to claim that we’ve understood this stuff since 1975, so I’d have to be a fool or willfully blind or a conservative to not believe it, I mean, Wally knew all about this construction 35 years ago …
Only problem is, that line of inquiry (ice core cycles plus co2) has turned out to be a dry hole. Nobody’s doing that any more. Didn’t pan out … yet I’m told I’m dumb for not noticing how well Wally did 35 years ago …
Well, that’s not the only problem. When you extend Dr. Broecker’s magic formula out for another ten years, yikes … by 2050 he’s joined the long list of doomsayers predicting full-blown thermal meltdown.
Finally, you and Sensor seem to have missed my closing line in the head post …
w.
Smokey says: @ur momisugly September 26, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Oops, wrong chart. Here is what I wanted to post.
Excellent graph Smokey especially when combined with this graph that shows “the planet is currently in what is called a “Goldilocks” climate.” If anything this interglacial is cooler and more constant in temperature than the last couple of interglacials.
I wish the politicians would leave well enough alone. As Robroy pointed out warm sure beats the heck out of cold. More food, more wealth, and a better life for more people.
What’s wrong with Wally Broeker’s conclusion.
The ∂O18 temperature cycles show up in the Greenland GISP2 ice core with alternating warm/cool periods every 25-30 years going back to 1500 AD. The cycles match well with glacier advances and retreats and with historic temperatures (without any CO2 effect prior to the 20th century). Since Broeker’s curves were published in 1975, anything later than that is completely conjectural, including the Camp Century curve. His post-1975 warming prediction can be made solely on the basis of the ice core curves, which we now know trend upward for the post-1975 period (not continuing downward as Broeker’s curve does). Thus, you don’t need any warming from CO2 to explain the 1978-1998 warming.
Another interesting question concerning Broeker’s “CO2 effect curve” is how he calculated the temperature effect of CO2. His CO2 effect curve purports to raise the temperature from -0.2 to +1.2 C in about 25 years. That’s a lot to ask for a miniscule increase in atmospheric CO2 over that period (only a few parts per million).
All FBI agents are special agents for some (dumb?) reason.
There is one lil problem with all this, why should we beleive the hatCRUT or GISS data? As far as I can see, there is a very good case for it being largely currupted with UHI effect, considering where the data is taken from and how, not to mention who it is taken from, people who have many good rea$on$ to make the earth look as warm as possible. And that is not even taking into account the many studies that so easily show that there is no discernable increase in temperature if you screen out the UHI effect, so easily in fact a six grader could do it and has (twice, I beleive).
Regardless of that, this idea is taken from data that we are not shown or given access to, it is thus not repeatable, does not follow the scientific method, and thus is not science.
Sensor operator:
“Lo and behold, without CO2, you don’t get what is occuring today.”
To reach that conclusion you must implicitly assume that the underlying cycle explains all other forcings. Ergo that conclusion is an overreach
I think the main issues are with the Correspondent, not Dr Broecker (a few comments notwithstanding, there is no call to attack the paper on personal grounds).
At best, it is a coincidental correlation unless you can also demonstrate how both the cyclical and CO2 components have been correctly predicted. Something a lot of people are missing; its not just the oevrall temperature prediction that has to be correct, its the underlying components. Otherwise it is mere correlation and coincidence.
There is a major problem with his CO2 effect curve. He shows a hyperbolic response when we know that there is only a 1.2C increasing from a doubling of CO2 concentration: a logarithmic relationship. I think his projection is totally bogus! I also don’t accept the significant cooling after 1980 of the Camp Century Curve. That would only happen if we were on the verge of another LIA. That’s right, that’s what the climate scientists were projecting in ’75!
Bill
Woa here,
Wally Broeker’s paper was a landmark work at the time(how could any Climatologist NOT know
of it). But he has long since stated that he does not believe the Camp Century Ice Core record
(and whatever cycles) is representative of any sort of Global temperature change.
I remember seeing the trailer for a documentary in 1973 or thereabouts which showed metre thick ice floes tumbling and sliding qown Fifth Avenue. It was so scary I never bothered to see the full film. That year there were 300 peer-reviewed studies on the imminent onset of the next Ice Age-peer review may check the methodology but is no predictor of truth, Geoffrey Donald Broadbent
Here’s a link to a book that is a rebuttal of his account by Bob Bateman:
http://www.amazon.com/No-Gun-Ri-Military-Incident/dp/0811717631/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1317100736&sr=1-1
Here’s a link to the one-star reviews of Hanley’s book, The Bridge at No Gun RI:
http://www.amazon.com/Bridge-No-Gun-Ri-Nightmare/product-reviews/B000HWYX68/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
Co2 is good for plants, trees and the planet. We’re short in co2 for the past 2 million years as throughout the planets history it avg 1,500-6,000 ppm. Co2 is good, so we should be increasing our emissions to be able to feed our population better.
Help feed humanity, more co2=more food. Increase you emissions. 500 ppm by 2030!!!
sharper00 says:
September 26, 2011 at 10:57 am
I would think because modern mainstream climate scientists have a better understanding of the forces in play over the length of the instrumental record and their associated effects.
sharper00, wake up! If having a “better understanding” is equivalent to “going 0-fer as to their relevant predictions”, it is you who has to examine your own understanding in regard to the practice of real science, which is obviously what your beloved “modern mainsteam climate scientists” are intentionally not doing. The fact that they are batting 0.00 doesn’t bother them!
Smokey
“Not too hot, not too cold, but just right. There is no verifiable evidence that passes the scientific method showing that CO2 has any major effect on temperature, droughts, storms, humidity, etc.”
Go rip into Monkton. just a few posts ago he proved that you get 1C per doubling. How come I didnt see you rip Monkton a new one??
Don Easterbrook says:
September 26, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Thank you for your thoughts, Don. The actual Camp Century data itself was unknown after 1975 when Broecker wrote. (Actually, the data ends in 1967.) But he was not using the Camp Century data. He was using the sum of the theoretical 180 year and 80 year cycles, which he merely extended into the future. So the “Camp Century curve” was not, as you say “conjectural” after 1975.
The Camp Century curve was no less conjectural regarding 1980 than it was regarding 1960. It is simply the sum of two cycles (80 and 180 yrs) picked from the cycles revealed by a Fourier-type analysis of the Camp Century data. As such, they can extend it as far as they wish into the past or future.
w.
Broeckers approach is not that bad. Truth is, that observations proved his exponentially rising curve after 2000 to be wrong. Modern climate “science” much more wrongly attributes the last rising part of the regularly repeated sine wave solely to CO2, which is much worse.
Juraj V. @ur momisugly 2:26
Yes, temp rise and CO2 rise correlate best only in the last quarter of the last century. To mistake that correlation for causation is what I call the grandest example ever of the ‘Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc’ logical fallacy.
Oh, what fools we mortals be.
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