
Oh dear, now we have three peer reviewed papers (Lindzen and Choi, Spencer and Braswell, and now Richard P. Allan) based on observations that show a net negative feedback for clouds, and a strong one at that. What will Trenberth and Dessler do next? Maybe the editor of Meteorological Applications can be persuaded to commit professional suicide and resign? The key paragraph from the new paper:
…the cloud radiative cooling effect through reflection of short wave radiation is found to dominate over the long wave heating effect, resulting in a net cooling of the climate system of −21 Wm−2.
After all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the Spencer and Braswell paper in Remote Sensing, and the stunt pulled by its former editor who resigned saying the peer review process failed, another paper was published last week in the journal Meteorological Applications that agrees well with Spencer and Braswell.
This new paper by Richard P. Allan of the University of Reading discovers via a combination of satellite observations and models that the cooling effect of clouds far outweighs the long-wave or “greenhouse” warming effect. While Dessler and Trenberth (among others) claim clouds have an overall positive feedback warming effect upon climate due to the long-wave back-radiation, this new paper shows that clouds have a large net cooling effect by blocking incoming solar radiation and increasing radiative cooling outside the tropics. This is key, because since clouds offer a negative feedback as shown by this paper and Spencer and Braswell plus Lindzen and Choi, it throws a huge monkey wrench in climate model machinery that predict catastrophic levels of positive feedback enhanced global warming due to increased CO2.
The cooling effect is found to be -21 Watts per meter squared, more than 17 times the posited warming effect from a doubling of CO2 concentrations which is calculated to be ~ 1.2 Watts per meter squared. This -21 w/m2 figure from Richard P. Allan is in good agreement with Spencer and Braswell.
[While the -21wm2 and ~1.2 W/m2 values are correct, the comparison is wrong, and it is my mistake. The values are Top of Atmosphere and Surface, which aren’t the same. This prompts a new rule for me, I shall not publish any posts after midnight again (other than something scheduled previously during the day), because clearly I was too tired to recognize this mistake. I’ll add that I have emailed Dr. Allan regarding the question of feedback on hisfigure 7, and have not received a response. – Anthony]
Here’s the paper abstract, links to the full paper (which I located on the author’s website) follow.
Combining satellite data and models to estimate cloud radiative effect at the surface and in the atmosphere
Richard P. Allan
Abstract: Satellite measurements and numerical forecast model reanalysis data are used to compute an updated estimate of the cloud radiative effect on the global multi-annual mean radiative energy budget of the atmosphere and surface. The cloud radiative cooling effect through reflection of short wave radiation dominates over the long wave heating effect, resulting in a net cooling of the climate system of -21 Wm-2. The short wave radiative effect of cloud is primarily manifest as a reduction in the solar radiation absorbed at the surface of -53 Wm-2. Clouds impact long wave radiation by heating the moist tropical atmosphere (up to around 40 Wm-2 for global annual means) while enhancing the radiative cooling of the atmosphere over other regions, in particular higher latitudes and sub-tropical marine stratocumulus regimes. While clouds act to cool the climate system during the daytime, the cloud greenhouse effect heats the climate system at night. The influence of cloud radiative effect on determining cloud feedbacks and changes in the water cycle are discussed.
1. Introduction
Earth’s radiative energy balance (solar radiative energy absorbed and terrestrial radiation emitted to space) determines current patterns of weather and climate, the complexity of which is illuminated by satellite observations of the evolving distribution and diversity of cloud structures. Representing clouds and the physical processes responsible
for their formation and dissipation is vital in numerical weather and climate prediction, yet many approximations must be made in these detailed models of our atmosphere (e.g. Bony et al., 2006; Allan et al., 2007). Observations of cloud characteristics from satellite instruments and in situ or ground-based measurements are crucial for improving understanding of cloud processes and their impact on Earth’s radiative energy balance (Sohn, 1999; Jensen et al., 2008; Su et al., 2010). The energy exchanges associated with cloud formation and precipitation are also a key component of the global water cycle, of importance for climate change (Trenberth, 2011). In this paper, initially presented at a joint meeting of the Royal Meteorological Society and Institute of Physics on Clouds and Earth’s Radiation Balance (Barber, 2011), the utility of combining weather forecast model output with satellite data in estimating the radiative effect of cloud is highlighted. Using a combination of models and satellite data a simple question is addressed: how do clouds influence the radiative energy balance of the atmosphere and the surface.
As an example of the radiative impact of cloud, Figure 1 displays thermal infra-red and visible channel narrow-band images of the European region from the Spinning Enhanced Visible and Infra-Red Imager (SEVIRI) on board the Meteosat-9 satellite (Schmetz et al., 2002).

In both images clouds appear bright: this denotes relatively low infra-red emission to space and relatively high reflection of visible sunlight to space. The hot, generally clear regions of northern Africa are also noticeable in both images since they are associated with substantial thermal emission to space (dark regions in the infra-red image) and high surface reflection from the desert surface (bright in the visible image). The brightest clouds in the thermal image correspond with (1) a trailing cold front extending from the coast of Norway, across Scotland and to the west of Ireland, (2) a developing low pressure system to the west of Iceland, and, (3) a low pressure system in the Mediterranean centred on Sardinia.
These are regions of ascending air with relatively high altitude, low temperature cloud tops which depress the thermal emission to space compared with surrounding regions. These features are also present in the visible image. However, many more cloud structures are also present. There is a prevalence of low altitude cloud over the oceans: this cloud contains large amounts of water droplets which are highly reflective (e.g. Stephens et al., 1978). The imagery captures the complex cellular structure of this cloud (e.g. Jensen et al., 2008) over the region surrounding the Canary Islands. These cloud types are thought to contribute strongly toward uncertainty in climate projections (Bony et al., 2006). While these clouds also strongly attenuate infra-red radiation, their impact on the thermal radiation escaping to space is modest since cloud-top temperatures are not dissimilar to the surface at night and so they do not contribute significantly to the strong natural greenhouse effect of the clear-sky atmosphere.
The altitude and optical thickness of cloud determines the overall radiative impact of cloud, a combination of the warming greenhouse effect and the surface-cooling solar
shading effect. Yet, probably an even stronger influence does not relate to the cloud itself. The time of day and time of year dictate the incident solar radiation and, therefore,
modulates the strength of the short wave reflection: clearly at night the solar influence of cloud is absent.
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7. Conclusions
Exploiting satellite measurements and combining them with NWP models initialized through assimilation of available observations enables the effect of clouds on the Earth’s radiative energy balance at the surface and within the atmosphere to be quantified for the present day climate. Consistent with previous results (Ramanathan et al., 1989; Su et al., 2010), the cloud radiative cooling effect through reflection of short wave radiation is found
to dominate over the long wave heating effect, resulting in a net cooling of the climate system of −21 Wm−2.
The short wave radiative effect of cloud is primarily manifest as a reduction in the solar radiation absorbed at the surface of −53 Wm−2 for the global multi-annual mean. The magnitude of this effect is strongly modulated by the incoming solar radiation and the dominance of cloud short wave cooling over long wave greenhouse trapping is maximum around local noon (Nowicki and Merchant, 2004) while the cloud long wave heating effect dominates at night.
The long wave greenhouse effect of cloud measured at the top of the atmosphere is manifest primarily as a heating of the atmosphere in the moist tropics, consistent with calculations by Sohn (1999).
Over the marine stratocumulus regions and across higher latitudes the cloud-base emission to the surface becomes substantial and dominates over the reduced outgoing long wave radiation to space resulting in enhanced radiative cooling of the atmosphere and heating of the surface. The cloud radiative influence on the exchange of radiative fluxes between the atmosphere and the surface are intimately linked with the water cycle through radiativeconvective balance. While tropical, high-altitude clouds act to stabilize the atmospheric profile radiatively, clouds over polar regions tend to cool the atmosphere while heating the surface through enhanced atmospheric longwave radiative emission to the surface. In future work it would be informative to categorize these effects by cloud type further (e.g. Futyan et al., 2005) and compare with climate model simulations. These analyses are vital in constraining cloud feedback processes further and in linking to future changes in the water cycle (Stephens, 2005; Bony et al., 2006; John et al., 2009).
A particular challenge is the accurate quantification of surface radiative fluxes due to the sparse ground-based observing network (Roesch et al., 2011) and also monitoring current changes in cloud radiative effect in satellite data, reanalyses and models (Wielicki et al., 2002); combining meteorological reanalyses with satellite data and surface observations provide a vital methodology for meeting these challenges.
Abstract is here: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/met.285/abstract
Full paper is here: http://www.met.reading.ac.uk/~sgs02rpa/PAPERS/Allan11MA.pdf
UPDATE: Some people in comments including Dr. Roy Spencer, (and as I was writing this, Dr. Richard Allan) suggest that the paper isn’t about feedback (at least in the eyes of IPCC interpretations, but Spencer adds “it could be”). Thus I’ve removed the word from the headline to satisfy such complaints. My view is that clouds are both a feedback and a forcing. Others disagree. That’s an issue that will occupy us all for sometime I’m sure.
Regarding cloud feedbacks, here’s what I noted in the paper in section 6, near the end. Allan is referring to figure 7 which shows (a) net radiation and (b) net cloud radiative forcing:
Substantial negative anomalies in net radiative flux from ERA Interim are apparent in 1998 and 2010, both El Niño years, suggesting that the substantial re-organization of atmospheric and oceanic circulation systems act to remove energy from Earth during these periods.

You can clearly see the famous double peak in the 1998 El Niño, but it is inverted. To me that looks like a thermostat action, and not one with stuck electrical contacts, i.e. a negative feedback. I’ve also updated the text related to the incorrect comparison I made. – Anthony
Sorry, in my previous comment I posted too soon. From Eastman 2011:
“…the decrease (of marine stratus and stratocumulus clouds, MSC) combined with observed increases in SST and the negative correlation between marine stratus and sea surface temperature suggests a positive cloud feedback to the warming sea surface. The observed decrease of MSC has been partly but not completely offset by increasing cumuliform clouds in these regions; a similar decrease in stratiform and increase in cumuliform clouds had previously been seen over land.” (emphasis added)
“Dave Springer says:
The ocean cools primarily (70%) through evaporation. Because downwelling longwave cannot penetrate water beyond a depth of a few micrometers the primary effect of downwelling longwave radiation from low clouds or CO2 is increased evaporation rate. Clouds and GHGs don’t insulate deep bodies of water like they insulate land surfaces. This IMO is answer Trenberth’s Travesty (the missing heat). ”
I would venture that the ‘missing heat’ has a name and that name is work.
Generating fresh water from brine and transporting it vertically and horizontally counts as work where I come from.
Alcheson says:
September 20, 2011 at 10:53 am
“The initial warming would have led to fewer clouds which lead to more warming which leads to still fewer clouds which… well you get the picture. ”
Let’s do a thought experiment. Suppose a CO2 increase sufficient to raise temperature 1 degree reduces clouds enough to raise temperature another half degree. That half degree reduces clouds enough to raise temperature another quarter degree . . . so that after an infinite number of such responses the temperature has been raised a total of two degrees.
So you haven’t necessarily “lit the catastrophic climate fuse” as soon as you’ve added a little CO2.
Steven Mosher says:
September 20, 2011 at 9:40 am
“it is also fascinating because of what we dont see. usually you will see a whole crew of commeters pounce on the word “model”. This time they didnt.”
It is one thing to use a model for physical parameters where you feed in real world data; and an entirely different thing to let a model run iteratively for a hundred simulated years, and pretend that the result of that run means something.
The first use is justifiable, the second is crackpottery and mostly politically motivated; see e.g. “Limits To Growth”.
@- Theo Goodwin says:
September 20, 2011 at 9:59 am
“Instead of talking about feedbacks, present the physical hypotheses which describe the phenomena in question. In the context of the present discussion, the simplest possible hypothesis is that “Increased GHGs cause increased temperatures (warming) and increased temperatures cause increased cloud cover and increased cloud cover causes increased reflection of sunlight and increased reflection of sunlight causes a lowering of Earth’s temperature.” Then we calculate the net change in Earth’s temperature, find that it is a decrease, and make the simple minded assertion that increased GHGs lower Earth’s temperature.”
Very simple minded; you have ended up with a logical contradiction.
That a rise in temperature causes the temperature to be lower than it was before the rise….
Better to analyze it as a contingent chain with the strength of each effect determined.
1)- Increased GHGs cause an increase in temperature.
2)- Warming increases the water vapor content of the atmosphere.
3)- Increased water vapor as a GHG increases the amount of warming.
4)- Increased water vapor increases cloud cover decreasing the amount of warming.
The first three effects are established by direct measurement. The change in cloud cover is much less well determined. Its effect must be LESS than the total warming effect because without that warming there would be no extra wayer vapor = +cloud to reduce the degree of warming. Past temperature changes indicate just how tightly, or not, the cloud negative feedback may constrain a rise in temperature.
Knowing the total magnitude of cloud effects in a ‘stable’ state gives some indication of how MUCH effect cloud variation may have. We know clouds neither vanish totally or double in low altitude coverage from observations so the total influence they can have in response to temperature change will have some (undoubtedly non-linear) proportionality to the percentage change in cloud cover.
I know of no source of good data that shows variation in cloud coverage at the time/scale required, perhaps you have suggestions ?
As has been discussed before that cloud cover variation will only be a RESPONSE to a temperature change unless you hypothesize a process independent of the climate that can alter cloud coverage. The radical change in atmospheric sulfur chemistry from fossil fuel combustion is one candidate. While GCR flux has been another, as Leif has indicated there is little correlation between GCR flux and climate variations. The recent CERN/CLOUD results further reduce the probability of a significant effect and the recent improvements in understanding the galactic structure have refuted any paleoclimate-GCR link.
Hi Vuk
I think we are both believers in natural cycles whether it is rain/clouds/snow or any other weather condition. There is very little new under the sun if you can go back far enough. Unfortunately the IPCC seem to be unaware of these things.
Tonyb
“”””” EJT says:
September 20, 2011 at 8:23 am
ChE. It isn’t mathematically impossible to have -ve feedback >1, but it would result in an oscillating system. Agree that what is quoted in the main post does not focus on feedback numbers. “””””
Sorry EJT, but negative feedback NEVER leads to an oscillating system; no matter how large that feedback is.
Only positve feedback (aka “regeneration”) can result in an oscillating system.
Certainly some systems that were intended to be negative feedback have resulted in oscillation; but only because the feedback switched to positive under those conditions. Propagation delays in either the forward (izzat forcing ?) gain channel or the feedback network, can result in the feedback unintentionally being positive; but negative feedbacks never oscillate.
So next as opposed to tilting at CO2 government will be tilting at clouds. Currently they are trying to figure out how to tax clouds with criminal penalty for non compliance.
This is why windmills MUST BE STOPPED. We need the wind to evaporate water. Slowing down the wind and making it slower will decrease cloud cover.
Now all I need is a few hundred million dollars to discover this phenomenon and create some models that prove my theory.
Also, I might point out wind power could be used as weaponry. If Canada were to stop cold air blowing into the US from the arctic, it could cook the US.
Jeff Wilson wrote: “During colder cycles:
cooler atmosphere => less ocean evaporation => less cloud cover = gradual warming
During warmer cycles:
warmer atmosphere => more ocean evaporation => more cloud cover = gradual cooling ”
Add in some CO2, and you get increased heat retention in colder and warmer cycles. It would be nice to rule this out, and the Allen analysis does not do so.
It may be possible to show that warmer mornings => more cloud cover during mid-day => more heat loss during mid-day => cooler evenings. That is Willis Eschenbach is working toward.
Or, it would be nice to show that some solar effect influences clouds about on the order to alter warming/cooling using the magnitude of the gross cloud effect estimated here. Maybe something will be forthcoming from the CERN CLOUD studies and analyses of the Forbish events.
K Denison
For those arguing “feedback” versus “forcing” I have a simple question:
If cloud FORCING is highly negative, how is it that cloud FEEDBACK is positive?
Can one point to an example where higher temperatures = fewer clouds?
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Don’t need to!
1. Higher temperatures -> more water vapour in the atmosphere
2. Some of that water vapour becomes cloud, which produces cooling (i.e. negative feedback)
3. BUT, some of it remains as vapour, which acts as a GHG (i.e. positive feedback)
The net feedback is positive if 3 outweighs 2. Most research suggests that is the case.
KR wrote: “Yes. Eastman 2011, Variations in cloud cover and cloud types over the ocean from surface observations, 1954–2008, http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2011JCLI3972.1”
Thanks for the link
Am just in and doing my daily WUWT read – an interesting paper, with some interesting comments.
Yes, its been long known that clouds cause a cooling effect to the surface as adequately described by some comments, and the warmist/concensus view seems to be that this is counteracted by ‘blanketing’ outward radiation/heat, as noted by other comments.
I suppose the realistic way to consider clouds is based on whether the radiation on ‘either’ surface is at a higher level than that on the ‘other’ side. So, in truth clouds act as both positive and negative feedbacks.
However, IMO, the net overall effect on the energy budget is easy to assess, at least in a mental capacity – i.e. when clouds are acting as ‘blankets’ – it is usually at nighttime – and when they are acting as ‘shields’, it is usually during daytime. On the reasonable assumption that the actual radiation energy/fluxes kicking about during the day are much larger than those kicking around at night – the net overall effects of clouds must be negative! I don’t see how anyone can refute this from an overall perspective.
As for Mosh’s comment regarding no-one jumping on to a ‘model’ attack – the fundemental difference is that this model seems to come up with ‘understandable’ and somewhat more realistic or should I say believable results! But as I hate all models – to me they are the anti-science when used as standalone ‘proof’ or demonstrations – I do accept the basic point. Personally, I don’t see any models as being pro or anti AGW. They just seem to be a necessary evil in climate science, which is a shame , as in my opinion, (good) data and observations should overrule them any day!
John B says:
September 20, 2011 at 11:40 am
That is a valid observation of course – however, it should be remembered that in THAT case, any warming (global or otherwise) is NOT as a result of anthropogenic CO2 but in fact is a NATURAL part of the climate! I don’t think mixing the water vapour GHG effect in with cloud formation is a valid point within the AGW supposed CO2 major problem context!
Eastman et al 2011 – Variations in cloud cover and cloud types over the ocean from surface observations, 1954–2008: a publicly accessible pre-print is available at:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~sgw/PAPERS/2011_OceanClouds_JClim_submitted.pdf
Their data indicates large regions where a positive cloud feedback has been observed, significance >99%, based on 54 million (!) ship-based cloud observations over 55 years.
No models were harmed in the writing of this paper – just observations.
izen says:
September 20, 2011 at 11:20 am
I think you caught the spirit of the thing. My example was intended to be very simple because all I wanted to illustrate is that we can do without the word ‘feedback’ and the confusion that inevitably follows in its train. As for the physical hypotheses that you suggest, scientists have to make up their minds to do the empirical research and create them. At this time, none of them exist as rigorously formulated physical hypotheses that have become reasonably well confirmed.
You write:
“Very simple minded; you have ended up with a logical contradiction.
That a rise in temperature causes the temperature to be lower than it was before the rise….”
Your principle here is “a priori.” Whether a rise in temperature can create a larger decrease in temperature depends entirely on the physical system under discussion. You must be thinking about some sort of internally regulated system that is at equilibrium. The Earth is not an internally regulated system because it is radiated constantly by the sun and history shows that it does not have an equilibrium state that is conducive to human life. For example, volcanic eruptions could lower the temperature indefinitely.
I take it that your rather abstract statement refers to the fact that “If rising atmospheric temperatures created more clouds and more clouds lowered Earth’s temperature then clouds would decrease and temperature would fall back to where it was but not lower.” Well, sure, but this assumes that the behavior of clouds is fully understood and it is not. In any case, I am glad to see that you agree in principle that clouds could cancel all warming from GHGs.
forcings are sources of radiation – the sun, ocean heat, whilst feedbacks are the things that are affected by forcings, whether positive, or negative, surely?
Dave Worley says:
September 20, 2011 at 10:33 am
“I though that Roy Spencer came up with the thermostat hypothesis…right?”
Well, maybe, in some context. But Willis Eschenbach applied the thermostat concept to the tropics and he did a wonderful job of explicating what it involves. You want to find his post to wuwt.
Kev-in-Uk says:
September 20, 2011 at 11:46 am
John B says:
September 20, 2011 at 11:40 am
That is a valid observation of course – however, it should be remembered that in THAT case, any warming (global or otherwise) is NOT as a result of anthropogenic CO2 but in fact is a NATURAL part of the climate! I don’t think mixing the water vapour GHG effect in with cloud formation is a valid point within the AGW supposed CO2 major problem context!
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Not so. The water vapour and clouds are feedbacks. Something has to provide the forcing to cause the climate to shift for the feedbacks to come into play. In the geological past, the forcing was largely from Milankovich cycles, taking thousands of years. In modern times the forcing is primarily from CO2, taking decades. That, in a nutshell, is the AGW argument.
What a relief that you misunderstood the meaning of the article. Climate alarmists can’t afford to lose Meteorological Applications. At least the leak at Remote Sensing has been plugged.
George Smith,
Good observation. In electromechanical systems I’ve worked with, ANY positive feedback leads to catastrophe pretty quickly. This is why I doubt most of the assertions of CAGW. If we had such positive feedbacks in the system, climate would have run away (hot or cold) long ago. A modern aircraft flight control system with a large phase shift in the feedback line (making it a positive feedback) will lead to an ejection and fireball every time. Luckily we don’t see that often, and is the main reason for redundant circuits – these new birds are unflyable without the computer because the basic layout is hypercritical – at the edge of positive feedback mechanically.
In the lab I once created a PID circuit for a automatic centering mechanism, but got the sign wrong on the proportional term. I turned the magnetic centering mechanism into a magnetic accelerator and shot the mass across the room. Positive feedbacks induced in the circuit led to catastrophe (luckily not too big – it just missed me and harmlessly struck a wall). Of course then my sensor failed and melted my coil on the next run, so much for that experiment. (I love playing with things in the lab – the smell of burnt plastic in the morning is something to live for.)
John B says:
September 20, 2011 at 12:01 pm
The water vapour and clouds are feedbacks.
So if co2 made it warmer, and that made more water vapour, how come the cloud amount reduced between 1980 and 1998?
John B said:
“Not so. The water vapour and clouds are feedbacks. Something has to provide the forcing to cause the climate to shift for the feedbacks to come into play. In the geological past, the forcing was largely from Milankovich cycles, taking thousands of years. In modern times the forcing is primarily from CO2, taking decades. That, in a nutshell, is the AGW argument.”
Um John, Did you happen to notice the past decade or so with increased XCO2 but flatline global temperatures, declining ocean temperatures, brutal winters with (“warm” we are told) snow?
“Show me where there’s positive feedback demonstrated there and the next time I’m in the UK I’ll look you up and buy you a beer. – Anthony”
Spectacular missing of the point there! The Allan paper simply is NOT ABOUT feedbacks, positive or negative. The entire comparison with the numbers from Dessler and Spencer is bogus, they don’t even have the same units, for Pete’s sake!
@RobW:
Flatline global temperatures – only if you cherry pick – 2000’s were warmer than 1990’s
Declining ocean temps – ditto
Brutal winters – merely local, there have also been heatwaves (equally local)
According to AGW, temperature rises will resume. The shame is that we will have to wait until they do (10 years should do it) before the “skeptics” will finally accept reality