Forbes: Can We Really Call Climate Science A Science?

Below are excerpts from a story by Paul Roderick Gregory, in Forbes, plus an examination of how desperate the website SkepticalScience seems to have become in the way they treat professionals.

Excerpts from Forbes:

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Three recent events have brought the controversy over climate science back into the news and onto my radar screen:

First, Ivar Giaever, the 1973 winner of the Nobel Prize in physics, resigned from the American Physical Society over his disagreement with its statement that “the evidence (on warming alarmism) is incontrovertible.” Instead, he writes that the evidence suggests that “the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this ‘warming’ period.”

Second, the editor of Remote Sensing resigned and disassociated himself from a skeptical paper co-authored  by University of Alabama Climate Scientist Roy Spencer after an avalanche of criticism by “warmists.” His resignation brings to mind Phil Jones’ threat to “get rid of troublesome editors” (cited above).

Third, the New York Times and other major media are ridiculing Texas Governor Rick Perry for saying that global warming is “not proven.” Their message: Anyone who does not sign on to global warming alarmism is an ignorant hayseed and clearly not presidential material.

What lessons do I, as an economist, draw from these three events?

First: The Giaever story starkly disputes warmist claims of “inconvertible evidence.”   Despite the press’s notable silence on such matters, there are a large number of prominent scientists with solid scholarly credentials who disagree with the IPCC-Central Committee. Those who claim “proven science” and “consensus” conveniently ignore such scientists.

Second: As someone with forty years experience with peer reviewed journals. I can testify that the Remote Sensing editor’s resignation and public discreditation of  Spencer’s skeptical paper would be considered bizarre and unprofessional behavior in any other scholarly discipline.

Third: The media is tarring  and feathering  Rick Perry, we now see,  for agreeing with Nobel laureate Giaever and a host of other prominent scientists.  I guess if  Perry is a know-nothing Texas hick (or worse, a pawn of  Big Oil) so is every other scientist who dares to disagree with the IPCC Central Committee. Such intimidation  chillingly makes politicians, public figures, and scientists fearful of deviating one inch from orthodoxy. They want to avoid Orwell’s “watching their comrades torn to pieces after confessing to shocking crimes.” How many are willing to shoulder that burden?

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Read the entire piece here.

For a recent example of “watching their comrades torn to pieces after confessing to shocking crimes” one needs to look no further than Dr. Roger Pielke’s attempt to have a dialog with the oxymoronically named website “SkepticalScience.com”. Bishop Hill described what happened there as self immolation, Shub Niggurath lists it as A dark day in the climate science debate.

Whatever is is, it’s the worst example of climate ugliness I’ve seen this month, though not the all time worst (see the “corrections” at the end). It is surprising though, that for a website that recently won the  prestigious national Eureka award in Australia, that they’d have to stoop to this level of juvenile behavior reminiscent of Animal Farm, cited by Paul Roderick Gregory in his Forbes article.

Strikeout of opposing commentary, especially that of a professional scientist writing something that doesn’t even appear inflammatory or off topic (since he’s responding to another commenter), is so “grade school”.

Can you imagine the howling that would ensue if I did the same thing to NSIDC’s Walt Meier when he posts something here I might disagree with?

From my perspective, while I once said that John Cook was at least “civil in his discourse with me”, and for that reason I gave Skeptical Science a place on my blogroll. I’m rethinking that now after seeing this latest ugliness.

One thing Shub Niggurath said caught my eye:

More recently however, the tone at [SkepticalScience] has turned shrill. The main proprietor John Cook, who is a climate change communication award winner, apparently approves. These changes have especially been noticeable after a certain ‘dana1981′ – likely referring to the author being born in 1981, began his contributions to the website.

And to top it all, in their narrow and monomaniacal attempts at interpreting Roger Pielke Sr’s blog posts, the readers/moderators and authors including ‘dana1981′ were completely blinded to the fact, that one of them – ‘dana1981′ – had in fact, carried out the very same thing they so vehemently denied.

That reminds me of something I once said about the Internet:

Anonymity breeds contempt

I wonder if Cook will rise to the level of respect that the Australian National Museum has granted him with their Eureka award and fix this mess “dana1981” has created, or will he turn a blind eye and take one for “The Team”? I’ve done my part to be reasonable and adopt suggestions, the ball is now in John Cook’s court. Ironically, in the attempt to muzzle Dr. Pielke and have him acquiesce to demands, they handily proved his original point.

The way defenders of climate science are acting these days, it does indeed beg the question Can We Really Call Climate Science A Science?

h/t to Kevin Hearle for the Forbes article

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Mike Mangan
September 19, 2011 5:45 am

Cook’s Catechism of Correct Climate Thought.

September 19, 2011 5:53 am

Tonight on Jeopardy;
Forbes: Can We Really Call Climate Science A Science?
What are questions in Forbes we can answer with one word.

Roger Knights
September 19, 2011 5:54 am

Here are the last two paragraphs of the article:

About a year ago, I attended a debate between a noted warmist and skeptic. They agreed only on one thing: Climate science is in its infancy. We are just beginning to understand the climate. When we look back, we will understand how little we really understood and how wrong our first findings were. This is the way science is created.
False claims of consensus and incontrovertible truth reveal a political or ideological agenda wrapped in the guise of science. The incontrovertible bad behavior of the warmists has led skeptics to suspect base motives, and who could blame them?

September 19, 2011 5:58 am

Climate Science is a science. However most of it’s current practitioners are no longer acting as scientists.

September 19, 2011 6:00 am

Just read the article and the comments so far. The Warmists are piling on, e.g.:

glennpecker 8 hours ago
Are you trying to discredit a person or an entire field of science? If you want to expose an individual for trying to suppress facts, I’m all for it. But the data supporting man induced climate change is [sic] overwhelming and to try to attack an entire field of science over a few emails and individuals is absurd. . .

I wonder where those “overwhelming” data are. . .
/Mr Lynn

Tim Spence
September 19, 2011 6:07 am

It’s true that at present, climate science is an enigma and all too often it seems linked to a lot of other madness or evil that is going on in the world today. I’m referring to organized groups that want to shut down discussion or opinions that they don’t like, some have a tremendous hatred against other peoples personal opinions.
On a different aspect, Climate Science is a very broad academic entity, certainly it contains more fields than any one person can claim to be an expert in, therefore it is questionable if one person can justifiably claim to be a climate scientist.

September 19, 2011 6:10 am

In a memorable 1990s TV ad, a doting grandmother said proudly of her grandchild, “He’s got an ‘ology’!”
I reckon that climate science should be stripped of its ology. May it henceforth be demoted to climatography. No more shall the Climate Dept share a corridor with real sciences like Chemistry. Climate has-beens stand around the coffeee machine chatting to their peers from photography and geography. “Back in the glory days of Global warming I used to be an ‘ologist’, you know…”

pat
September 19, 2011 6:11 am

with Murdoch under attack on a number of fronts, he could launch a counterattack whilst at the same time help answer the question posed by Paul Roderick Gregory (as regards IPCC “climate science” at least) by having Neil Wallis spill the beans about the damage control he did for UEA post-Climategate!
18 Sept: WSJ: ‘High School Physics’
Another Nobel laureate breaks from the climate change pack. .
That’s how Al Gore described the science of climate change this week, by which we suppose he meant it’s elementary and unchallengeable. Well, Mr. Vice President, meet Ivar Giaever, a 1973 physics Nobel Laureate who resigned last week from the American Physical Society in protest over the group’s insistence that evidence of man-made global warming is “incontrovertible.”…
Other dissenters include Stanford University physicist and Nobelist Robert B. Laughlin, deceased green revolution icon and Nobelist Norman Borlaug, Princeton physicist William Happer and World Federation of Scientists President Antonino Zichichi. Our point is not that all of these men agree on climate change, much less mankind’s contribution to it, only that to one degree or another they maintain an open mind about warming or what to do about it.
One of the least savory traits of climate-change advocates is how they’ve tried to bully anyone who keeps an open mind. This is true of many political projects, but it is or ought to be anathema to the scientific method. With the cap-and-trade movement stymied, Mr. Gore and the climate clan have become even more arch in their dismissals of anyone who disagrees. Readers can decide who they’d rather study physics with—Professor Giaever, or Mr. Gore’s list of politically certified instructors.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903927204576572842778437276.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Doug in Seattle
September 19, 2011 6:15 am

From Paul Gregory’s at Forbes:
False claims of consensus and inconvertible truth reveal a political or ideological agenda wrapped in the guise of science. The incontrovertible bad behavior of the warmists has led skeptics to suspect base motives, and who could blame them?
A very good article, but way too conciliatory towards the warmists.

TanGeng
September 19, 2011 6:28 am

Seems like Cook is backing up his moderators on this one: http://www.skepticalscience.com/Chasing-Pielke-Goodyear-Blimp.html – skeptical science is not one place to be discussing the science at all. It’s hard to find a way to do it. Mostly it looks like he-said-she-said. Definitely avoid.

D. King
September 19, 2011 6:30 am

Brent Hargreaves says:
September 19, 2011 at 6:10 am
May it henceforth be demoted to climatography.
Yes, and those skilled in the ART shall be known as climatographers.

kim
September 19, 2011 6:34 am

Where do I go to get my money back?
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kim
September 19, 2011 6:35 am

D81, heh, he couldna been a contenduh.
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Bill Yarber
September 19, 2011 6:38 am

Gore received a Nobel Peace Prize, as did Obama. Why are you surprised that SkepticalScience.com got a Eureka? I would be very surprised if this SkS is resurrected.
The people on the AGW gravy train of government funding have one plan – attack all dissent and vilify all dissenters. Sounds like politics, or religion, not science.
Bill

September 19, 2011 6:51 am

“Whatever is is…” Typo?

HaroldW
September 19, 2011 6:52 am

…the oxymoronically named website “SkepticalScience.com
It’s not an oxymoron, which would mean that the two terms are intrinsically or at least typically in opposition. For example, “skeptical_yesmen” would be an oxymoron. Instead, “SkepticalScience” is inaccurately named — certainly in the first part, and having seen their disgraceful treatment of Dr. Pielke’s comments, quite possibly in the second as well.
/pedant mode

Alex the skeptic
September 19, 2011 6:53 am

Climate is to climateologists as weather is to a barber shop full of men waiting for their turn.

tom T
September 19, 2011 6:53 am

If climate science isn’t a science, and since it is practiced by many people who aren’t scientists, it might not be, it sure the heck isn’t an art. Most artists claim their art is about a search for some sort of true, either from the real world or an emotional truth, as climate science is practiced now days searching for any truth isn’t a part of it. So if it isn’t a science and it isn’t an art what is it? I think that the best that can be said for the state of climate science today is that it is a political ploy and quite a cynical ploy at that.

Ken Hall
September 19, 2011 6:54 am

Some intellectual discipline can only be truly and honestly considered scientific if, and only if, it fully adheres to all the rules imposed by the scientific method of discovery.
After 10 years of reading scientific papers, opinion pieces, blogs, commentary from the media and politics across the spectrum of “belief” and after reviewing as much scientific and circumstantial evidence as I can find with regards to climate and the causes of changes in the climate, I have come to the following conclusion.
That political philosophy of indoctrination, which falsely calls itself “climate science” when advocating a catastrophic anthropological impact on global climate, and especially on global temperature increases, fails on a number of rules according to the scientific method and therefore it is not a scientific discipline. It is propaganda, it is indoctrination, it is religion. It is NOT science.

Roger Knights
September 19, 2011 6:54 am

Third: The media is tarring and feathering Rick Perry, we now see, for agreeing with Nobel laureate Giaever and a host of other prominent scientists.

Huntsman challenged Perry at the recent Republican debate by saying that 97% of climatologists were in agreement. Here’s what Perry should come back with:
“I wouldn’t be surprised if 97% of them were Democrats.”

RichieP
September 19, 2011 6:57 am

Brent Hargreaves says:
September 19, 2011 at 6:10 am
May it henceforth be demoted to climatography.
I’ve stuck with an appellation I picked up from a commenter here at some point in the last two years: crimatologists. Tthough crimatographer will do just as well.

JPeden
September 19, 2011 6:57 am

Can We Really Call Climate Science A Science?
Hey, at least they repeat and repeat, and repeat, the same old “tried and true” cynical Political Science Propaganda tactics! And if they “win”, we all know what that would mean in the real world. That’s right, you’d have to listen to the likes of Hansen and Gore 24/7!

Ken Harvey
September 19, 2011 6:57 am

Slightly O/T but I must get this off my chest before I bust. Frequently on scientific sites, and too often on this one, (as one can see somewhere above) comments appear that indicate that the commentator is labouring under the misapprehension that the word “data” is strictly a plural. Using the word in its singular sense gives rise to snide comment. When one speaks of a number of data from a single source then the plural verb in relation to ‘data” is permissible, but not always appropriate. When one speaks of a body of data such as is generally the case with climate matters, the the word ‘data’ takes the singular verb. This is not optional – it is obligatory. Does it matter? Yes it does, since the incorrect plural use makes the user sound like a misguided pedant, and if spoken makes the user sound like an idiot.
I thank readers in anticipation of their indulgence.

Mike86
September 19, 2011 6:58 am

Hmm, what makes something a “science” in this age? Let me think… Something about repeatibility, ability to accuately predict effects, could probably toss in ability to design and conduct studies that can be replicated by others.

JeffC
September 19, 2011 7:00 am

bingo … its a long con … always has been …

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