Open thread weekend

I’m stepping away today. Not feeling well, ear infections (due to wearing two hearing aids) are a chronic problem for me and I have a raging one today, so I’ll just be cranky. Off to the clinic then.

[update: Please guys, no more unsolicited suggestions for cures and treatments for Anthony. He keeps himself well-informed. I’m just asking nicely. ~ ctm]

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DR
September 17, 2011 12:04 pm

Dr. Dave,
That is precisely attitude I’m referring to. And yes, Anthony will run off to the doctor again, and again and again, just as I did. Isn’t that the definition of insanity?

xion III
September 17, 2011 12:31 pm

Your hurricane spirals are looking good for the Inverse Square Law.
http://homepages.woosh.co.nz/zanzibar/41.html
I only use one spiral which has a .9 ratio so I’ve listed the ratios alongside their squares and square roots. (click on the pic) I guess that if you are standing x distance from a point and you move towards that point by .9, then the distance you have moved will be the square root of the original distance. Given that exponential relationship, it isn’t surprising to see the same numbers reoccurring but the exact pattern of this escapes me as I have only 12 decimal places on my pocket calculator (solar powered). As some of you will have more sophisticated setups, I invite you to extend this examination. To give an idea of what could be at stake, I’ve used the spiral to sketch a theoretical power circuit as it would occur in the apparently hexagonal grid between individual carbon atoms in a sheet of graphene. There is a Youtube movie in which I do believe i see attempts at bridge building at the hole perimeter.

cheers

Kelvin Vaughan
September 17, 2011 12:37 pm

edbarbar says:
September 17, 2011 at 12:01 pm
I’m surprised the loonies haven’t tagged this as being on account of man made global warming:
That’s because they know hot air is less dense and would have the opposite effect. They do have some scientific knowledge.

Colonial
September 17, 2011 12:46 pm

DR (September 17, 2011 at 10:42 am) wrote:
I’ve battled ear problems similar to what you’re describing since my teenage years. … The only solution that has worked for me to both prevent and resolve these types of infections has been the use of colloidal silver … Over time I’ve relied mostly on the silver because it is simple and no mess; a few quick sprays in each ear daily; no problems. … I can hear the “it’s quackery” howls already.
You’ll hear no howls from me, if you’re only using it topically. If it fends off ear infections and keeps you healthy, that’s great!
However, if you’re thinking of taking colloidal silver internally, or are already doing so, check out Rosemary’s Story. Rosemary has argyria – a permanent, irreversible skin discoloration caused by the ingestion of silver. She’s gone through life gray because of colloidal silver nose drops that were prescribed by a doctor for allergies. Her gray skin color has cost her jobs and interfered with her social life.
Kermit the Frog expressed his frustrations in the song, “It’s Not Easy Being Green.” If you ingest colloidal silver, you’ll soon be able to sing the silver version, “It’s Not Easy Being Gray”!

Ed
September 17, 2011 12:50 pm

Anyone else having Droid issues on WUWT?
My Droid, running 2.2.2 with the stock browser, won’t show anything but the very top of each post. Dragging, swiping, up/down arrowing, all seem turned off. It’s the only blog I have this particular problem with.
Opera will show the whole post, but the font is truly horrible.

September 17, 2011 12:56 pm

A little help from the scientists in the group please.
I don’t really buy the “greenhouse” theory because I have been in a real greenhouse. They work because they have a roof on top; and the earth does not.
So, here would be my idea of an experiment. Take two large greenhouses, side by side and equal in every way, without any roofs on them. Fill one with CO2 and measure the temps in both over a time period. What would happen?
My wager is that both would have the same temperature.

Fit_Nick
September 17, 2011 1:05 pm

I was sitting looking at a glass of coke the other day then tapped it with my finger and watched the sudden eruption of bubbles rise to the surface releasing the CO2, as i have done many times over the years.
This got me thinking and wondered if there has ever been any studies done on the effect of vessel propulsion systems causing the sea water to release the trapped CO2 within its structure, in a similar manner to the glass of coke, being tapped by a finger? Hence, would the increase in shipping over the past decades contibute to the rise in CO2?
Sometimes finding the solution to a problem is just a case of asking the right question.

Laurence M. Sheehan, PE
September 17, 2011 1:08 pm

I recommend trying: 1 12oz bottle of Negra Modelo beer mixed with 1 11-1/2oz can of V8 juice. It is a truly amazing potion for overall healing and health. In 2 weeks of drinking this mixture every afternoon, the hearing loss in my right ear, caused by a minor stroke in 1987, was cured, and I my hearing was completely restored. It is wonderful for a good many other reasons. Everyone who has tried it thinks it is a miacle potion, and my younger daughter, who had severe joint and back pains has dubbed it the “Bloody Miracle”. Within a week of drinking 12oz each day, her joint and back pain went completely away.
Try it . . . you will love the results. All who have tried it say the same thing. “It really works, and works quickly.”

John B
September 17, 2011 1:24 pm

joseph says:
September 17, 2011 at 12:56 pm
A little help from the scientists in the group please.
I don’t really buy the “greenhouse” theory because I have been in a real greenhouse. They work because they have a roof on top; and the earth does not.
——–
The term “greenhouse effect” is a bit misleading. Try this for a basic explanation of how it works:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect
And if you don’t like wikipedia, there are plenty of other explanations out there.
Not sure about your experiment, it would depend on how you set it up. But in the real atmosphere, be assured that without the greenhouse effect the world would be a much, much colder place.

September 17, 2011 1:29 pm

Well that is interesting.
I am one of the few people who has been able to live in the “mainstream” society 100%. Despite my lousy hearing.Hearing so bad that I MUST wear a hearing aid and be in fairly quite area to have a good conversation with someone.Most people with the level of profound hearing loss that I have,end up with sign language or special life styles.To be able to communicate.
The reason for that is because my parents were determined to try to have me mainstreamed into regular society,through early speech training.Yes I was a terrible speaker.Because I was not hearing them until I got a hearing aid at age 4.To this day,my voice sounds different from the usual voices you hear.My enunciation is weak on some of the letters.But I able to have a reasonable conversation,until recently.My hearing erodes due to aging (in my 50’s) and long term damage from using high amplifying hearing aids.
I have worn Hearing aids since age 4 (1964). First it was the big ones that had a lot of power,but bulky.I carried the aid unit by hand and put them on my school desk.Over the years they got smaller and smaller.Went to wearing it in a bra like halter.To the point of making them go behind the ear.The power of miniaturization.But the power supply suffers from the downsizing of the unit.
I have always been hard of hearing.
Now I have to decide on the inner ear implant soon.Because my hearing is now so bad that I am using the most powerful unit available.It is getting old and know that it will have to be replaced within two years or so.
It cost around $35,000 for the entire operation and the implant unit.Fortunately insurance will cover most of it.It is the process in getting approval for the implant that will take time and energy.My Audiologist has recently expressed interest in my making this big move.He has to help me justify the cost with valid hearing tests and ear examination.To show that I am indeed a valid candidate for the operation.
Maybe this fall or winter is when I start the process in the goal of having that operation by next spring?

September 17, 2011 1:33 pm

When I go swimming.I use fresh earplugs.To keep out the water.
If I do not.They WILL get infected!
Sometimes I get one anyway and gosh they can hurt!

Editor
September 17, 2011 1:50 pm

I just posted the full update on the 2nd Quarter 2011 NODC Ocean Heat Content data:
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2011/09/17/april-to-june-2011-nodc-ocean-heat-content-anomalies-0-700meters-update-and-comments/

Admin
September 17, 2011 2:22 pm

Please guys, no more unsolicited suggestions for cures and treatments for Anthony. He keeps himself well-informed. I’m just asking nicely. ~ ctm

JC
September 17, 2011 2:23 pm

Reading World Climate Report’s latest post on the models brings a question to mind.
The actual, observed temperature data (to the extent we can trust that data) are right at the lower end of the models’ projected (don’t say “predicted”) confidence interval. If you are trying to scare people, this is ideal: The models predict the most warming while still giving you the ability to claim they are supported by observations. I must wonder whether this is a coincidence, or if the models were engineered toward that end.
Or maybe I’m just paranoid.

H.R.
September 17, 2011 2:44 pm

Tisdale says:
September 17, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Thanks for the heads up and the link.
What’s up with the Indian Ocean? Everywhere else seems to be trending downward or flat but the IO keeps heading up.

john
September 17, 2011 2:57 pm

More on Solargate….
Solyndra’s Whorehouse Lender
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/solyndras-whorehouse-lender
More on windgate….
http://dailybail.com/home/ge-dumps-offshore-wind-power-plans-after-collecting-125-mill.html
Be sure to read the comments in the GE story and it will be updated in the comments section periodically.

DR
September 17, 2011 3:58 pm

Colonial,
Rosemary Jacobs did not get argyria from colloidal silver, it was caused from silver salts; two totally different forms of silver solution.
If argyria were such a problem, where are the blue skin colonies?
This is not directed at you, but it is just too hilarious listening to all the drug pushers warning about the dangers of colloidal silver when there are documented hundreds of thousands of cases of deaths and injury caused directly from the use of FDA approved drugs.

Curiousgeorge
September 17, 2011 4:03 pm

Neo says:
September 17, 2011 at 9:28 am
There’s that damn unintended consequence again. When will scientists learn to mind their own business and quit doing this science stuff? 😉
Guess I’ll have to stock up on candles. Oh, wait! Those spew that nasty CO2 stuff, and could burn my house down. Hmmmm. I know! A cave and no lights at all!

September 17, 2011 4:08 pm

Well I never suggested putting kiwi & sweet potato in anyone’s ear… just looking out for yawl’s better overall health, that’s all.
Hey there Ed! My droid is like yours, only works right on full site. Mobile is like wrestling a pig.

Editor
September 17, 2011 4:08 pm

H.R. says: “What’s up with the Indian Ocean? Everywhere else seems to be trending downward or flat but the IO keeps heading up.”
It’s tough to say since the Indian Ocean had very little temperature readings at depth prior to the ARGO era.
I wrote a post about the inverse relationship between the SST residuals (SST anomalies of an ocean basin minus global SST anomalies) of the Indian and North Pacific Oceans.
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/opposing-north-pacific-and-indian-ocean-sst-residuals/
But I can’t say if this is coming into play with the OHC data. I’ll look into it.

Mac the Knife
September 17, 2011 4:17 pm

Fit_Nick says:
September 17, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Huh?! Now that is an interesting question! I know there are decades of work related to bubble formation associated with boat prop/screws, both surface ships and submarines. Anybody know of any related work that studied the composition and partial pressures of the gases in the cavitation bubbles?

DirkH
September 17, 2011 4:36 pm

JC says:
September 17, 2011 at 2:23 pm
“The actual, observed temperature data (to the extent we can trust that data) are right at the lower end of the models’ projected (don’t say “predicted”) confidence interval. If you are trying to scare people, this is ideal: The models predict the most warming while still giving you the ability to claim they are supported by observations. I must wonder whether this is a coincidence, or if the models were engineered toward that end.”
Even two model runs of the same model, with different initial atmospheric conditions, will give you trends that vary by an order of magnitude over decadal scales. Or in other words, you start one, and it goes in some direction; like throwing darts blindfolded.
I think they’re engineered to look halfway plausible (and plausible for the climate scientists means they better show some warming on average of the runs) and that’s all the climate scientists could really achieve, because they’re trying to solve a problem that they can’t solve with their approach – predicting the future of a chaotic system.
They can’t solve it with any Turing-equivalent machine…

September 17, 2011 5:31 pm

Got an update from Eric today, we have both been busy with our own projects and he has supplied me with a quote for the forecast setup services and a years subscription to his service, described;
http://youtu.be/YfILcEDIqgE?hd=1
Where we stand on the progress;
“As for delivery, I could do an analysis of the forecast format, etc.
like I did last time to make sure it’s suitable for import by the end
of September. Then once any corrections are made, do the full
setup/import code. If that went well (there were few corrections
needed, etc.) I could import September 2011 before October 15, which
would allow you to then see the September aggregations and data in
mid-October.”
working with huge data sets makes for slow progress, when I have limited funds available, but slow progress is better than no progress. The programer and I are still working out the details of the masking of the maps, and the rebuilding of the site layout to allow all of the additional maps in the higher resolution format. I am hoping to bring on line all of the additional features and the ongoing validation of the forecast accuracy by the first of the year 2012.

Editor
September 17, 2011 5:47 pm

Kelvin Vaughan says:
September 17, 2011 at 10:50 am
> Would a greenhouse on the moon warm the lunar surface?
A greenhouse on Earth works by blocking convection. On the Moon there’s no atmosphere to convect.
Alternatively, if the glass lets in shortwave radiation and blocks long wave, then that can slow the Moon’s radiative heat loss by the glass heating up and radiating some heat back down.

Editor
September 17, 2011 6:02 pm

Colonial says:
September 17, 2011 at 12:46 pm
DR (September 17, 2011 at 10:42 am) wrote:

However, if you’re thinking of taking colloidal silver internally, or are already doing so, check out Rosemary’s Story. Rosemary has argyria – a permanent, irreversible skin discoloration caused by the ingestion of silver. S

Ah, WUWT Nation does have all knowledge. I was thinking of hunting that down to post myself.
DR says:
September 17, 2011 at 3:58 pm

Colonial,
Rosemary Jacobs did not get argyria from colloidal silver, it was caused from silver salts; two totally different forms of silver solution.

Rosemary’s web page mentions “A biopsy confirmed the diagnosis showing all the little specks of silver in my skin. Unfortunately, that is the only information that I have ever been able to get about the drug that disfigured me.” Are you talking about soluable silver salts or something that precipitates internally? I’m not sure that would lead to silver specks. What do you know that she doesn’t?
I don’t use silver except in a water filter (where it’s supposed to stay put), so I haven’t followed this as closely as I might have.