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I’m off on a small adventure today, chasing and logging a USHCN weather  station which had been misidentified in the early days of the surfacestations project.

One of the results of the project is that it forced NCDC to provide better metadata in their online MMS database. This includes adding a USHCN flag to identify which stations were in fact USHCN from the more numerous COOP stations. When we started, lat/lons were coarse, and there was no such identification. Now there is and ID and the lat/lons are accurate enough to locate the stations reliably.

I have a feeling this one will be interesting, given the description of the location.

In the meantime, talk quietly amongst yourselves, don’t make be come back here.

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Roger Knights
August 15, 2011 8:13 pm

[b]ZootCadillac[/b] says:
August 13, 2011 at 9:51 am
Sceptical is indeed the English spelling, as in English as written in Britain. My understanding of the American spelling is because of the very real and deliberate ‘bastardisation’ ( that’s not an insult to Americans, it’s the proper term for it ) of British English during the pioneer years of American colonisation. I’m going off the top of my head here so don’t take anything as stone cold fact but as far as I am aware most of the settlers travelling west were barely literate and in a bid to make things easier for settlers to communicate with trading posts etcetera the spelling of many words was simplified, often phonetically, just so these people could write the way it sounded.

American spelling was set by Noah Webster’s Dictionary, per what I’ve read on the matter. He was a deliberate spelling rationalizer/simplifier. American spelling doesn’t contain the sort of crude phonetic simplifications that one finds in printed versions of dialect speech.

August 15, 2011 9:17 pm

Mike Jonas,
I guess ice volume would be somewhat different? So that your point regarding weather would apply to the “recovery” you apes and Bastardi so ignorantly trumpeted in 2008, even while the volume showed a death spiral. Which is what it’s continuing. Because, there are effects of weather and climate, hut pretty soon, maybe even this year, you apes will have to argue that the ice-caps, like a spring snow, are weather, not climate. Good luck with that. Also, Mike, don’t you think at some point in your life, you will have to step back and say to yourself “You know, I has some pretty strong opinions back in 2007 about what those nuts were saying about the North Pole, and yet what they were saying turned out a he’ll of a lot more accurate than what Andrew Watts and Joe Bastardi were saying (if they were right, why am I even talking about global warming anymore?) Maybe I should examine some of my basic motivations and assumptions?”
But Mike, and the rest of you apes, I have a strong strong strong feeling you haven’t gotten to that point yet. Good luck with that.

August 15, 2011 9:56 pm

Timothy Hanes, and what will YOU be saying in about 10 years, after the coming cooling has taken effect? Have you noticed that the Pacific Ocean level is falling? The sea surface temperatures are falling, especially off the coast of California? Have you considered the impact of cooler temperatures on agriculture in California? Are you aware that some coastal California cities have been cooling for several years? Where are the increased hurricanes and tropical cyclones? Where are the sunspots that caused the warming over the past few decades? Why is the snow increasing, instead of disappearing as the warmistas so wrongly predicted? What will you do when the sunspots stay away for decades, and the Earth plunges into a very deep and prolonged cold period? Oh yes, it will be quite interesting to watch the warmistas, shivering in the cold.

Editor
August 15, 2011 10:49 pm

Timothy Hanes – Please try relying on evidence instead of insults. I’m very prepared to change my mind if the evidence changes, but thus far there is little or no scientific evidence of AGW and plenty of contra evidence (models are interesting but they are not in themselves scientific evidence). I was trying to make the point that the annual ups and downs of Arctic sea ice don’t tell us much at all about global temperature, and the guessing game is for fun and is not exactly significant in the scheme of things.
Yes, volume and area are different to extent. Obviously there is a correlation, but each can at times go up while the others go down, and vice versa.
Tell me, why are people so obsessed with Arctic ice, when there is so much more ice in the Antarctic?

Julian Braggins
August 15, 2011 11:33 pm

Dave Springer says:
August 15, 2011 at 4:21 am
Julian Braggins says:
August 15, 2011 at 2:27 am
“LazyTeenager,
Such an apt handle, rocks float, on molten rocks. Think Crust, Mantle.
Pressure , temperature. Think Diesel engine compression stroke, very hot. Switch off engine, even the compression stroke cools. Venus, Sun drives atmospheric circulation, Gravity is compression stroke, at 100bar, very hot . Switch off Sun, cools down.”
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“Compressional heating of a gas only occurs as it is getting squeezed into a small volume.——”
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Spare me the strawman lecture on the air pressure tank. Venus has a strong circulation, therefore pressure is not constant. Volcanic heat augments this. Chinook, Foehn, Mistral etc. winds do not finish in a closed container do they ?

Bob Diaz
August 16, 2011 8:38 am

FROM THE NEWS: Evergreen Solar Inc., the Massachusetts clean-energy company that received millions in state subsidies from the Patrick administration for an ill-fated Bay State factory, has filed for bankruptcy, listing $485.6 million in debt.
Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March and cut 800 jobs, has been trying to rework its debt for months. The cash-strapped company announced today has sought a reorganization in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware and reached a deal with certain note holders to restructure its debt and auction off assets.
http://www.bostonherald.com/business/technology/general/view.bg?articleid=1358998&pos=breaking
So, if “green energy” is going to create jobs, I’d say that this one is a massive FAIL!!!

Bob Diaz
August 16, 2011 6:53 pm

Another “Green Failure” and this one only took a year:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/127844048.html
Last year, Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn announced the city had won a coveted $20 million federal grant to invest in weatherization. The unglamorous work of insulating crawl spaces and attics had emerged as a silver bullet in a bleak economy – able to create jobs and shrink carbon footprint – and the announcement came with great fanfare.
McGinn had joined Vice President Joe Biden in the White House to make it. It came on the eve of Earth Day. It had heady goals: creating 2,000 living-wage jobs in Seattle and retrofitting 2,000 homes in poorer neighborhoods.
But more than a year later, Seattle’s numbers are lackluster. As of last week, only three homes had been retrofitted and just 14 new jobs have emerged from the program. Many of the jobs are administrative, and not the entry-level pathways once dreamed of for low-income workers. Some people wonder if the original goals are now achievable.

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