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I’m off on a small adventure today, chasing and logging a USHCN weather  station which had been misidentified in the early days of the surfacestations project.

One of the results of the project is that it forced NCDC to provide better metadata in their online MMS database. This includes adding a USHCN flag to identify which stations were in fact USHCN from the more numerous COOP stations. When we started, lat/lons were coarse, and there was no such identification. Now there is and ID and the lat/lons are accurate enough to locate the stations reliably.

I have a feeling this one will be interesting, given the description of the location.

In the meantime, talk quietly amongst yourselves, don’t make be come back here.

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Jim36
August 13, 2011 10:55 pm

Do we have any idea about the composition of earth’s atmosphere billions of years ago, before the advent of photosynthesis? There can’t have been much oxygen. Oxygen is very reactive – most of it would be present in water, CO2, and bound to various rocks. There would have been a lot of CO2 – maybe 10%.
Then along comes 6CO2 + 6H20 = C6H12O6 +6O2 and CO2 gets stripped out of the atmosphere and oxygen gets added.
The shortage of CO2 is now a limiting factor in plant growth.
But the warmists keep telling us we need to make less CO2.
Why?

Roger Carr
August 13, 2011 10:57 pm

pokerguy says: (August 13, 2011 at 12:34 pm)
Of course in poker terms, Al Gore is “all in.” He’ll go down with the ship.
I’d like to believe that, pokes, but I suspect his ship is a submarine that will keep him warm, comfortable, and safe down there while he plots his next flailing internet to invent or end-of-world-nigh event.

John W
August 13, 2011 11:02 pm

Paul Ehrlich summed it up this way: “You often hear people say scientists should not be advocates. I think that is bull.” ……..”How you judge a good scientist, in part, is by what they choose to be curious about,”

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2011/august/ehrlich-scientist-advocates-081111.html
WOW! So, go ahead and fudge data, intimidate critics, bias conclusions, yada, yada, as long as you’re curious about and advocate for the agenda you’re a good scientist. That explains how certain people are still employed.

August 13, 2011 11:49 pm

Roger Sowell says:
August 13, 2011 at 11:25 am

I’m presently reading Merchants of Doubt, by Naomi Orestes and Erik Conway. Specifically, Chapter 6 on “The Denial of Global Warming.” Has anyone else read this? If you have, what are your thoughts on that chapter?

Roger, I read this book last year and was going to review it on my blog. But I could not fine an angle that would make interesting reading without sounding like the denialist she wants me to be. What I found interesting in the line “its the same old fart’s who denied CFC-ozone, acid rain, passive smoking….” is that for me it was my discovery of the corruption climate change science that actually lead me to the peer review articles throwing the CFC-ozone story into doubt, and then passive smoking, and so on.
A move familiar to sceptics is where someone taking a moderate sceptical position is declare at the extreme. Thus, sceptics are proclaimed as denying the simple science of the CO2 greenhouse effect. Likewise, those who question the evidence that passive smoking causes lung cancer are proclaimed as saying that smoking does not cause cancer. And it goes right down to the heart of the denier slur: In the debate over how many civilians died as a consequence of the American invasion of Iraq, those who questions the higher numbers were not labelled as deniers that the invasion ever harmed anyone; and yet anyone who question the numbers of Jews who died in WWII is labelled a denier of their persecution.
This is not something I would ever want to question, but the point is that in politics and war the subtilities of a scientific assessment are intolerable. While reading Orestes-Conway it becomes very clear that this is not a discussion of science, for we have identified the enemy, and we must now fight this war.

Gary Hladik
August 14, 2011 12:14 am

paulc says (August 13, 2011 at 8:35 pm) [snip]
Paul and John, I concur; two thumbs up on Paul Johnson’s Modern Times. It was recommended to me some years ago by a stranger who saw one of my letters to the editor in the local paper.

James Bull
August 14, 2011 12:48 am

Just think if all the ice melted we could all go and row to the magnetic pole both past and present wouldn’t that be fun! We could take supplies of Whisky with us as well (but we wouldn’t be able to drink it to keep out the cold).

Mr. Alex
August 14, 2011 12:53 am

Corey says:
August 13, 2011 at 7:20 pm
“Off topic but the sun is spotless for the first time in 198 days.”
No one seems to care. The SSN for 14/08 is 35! Even SIDC has recorder a SSN greater than zero for the 14/08.
SS24.com as well as spaceweather.com claim that the earth-facing side is spotless yet they both display SSN 35.
http://solen.info/solar/ report for 14/08 shows that of the three numbered regions, 2 are plages and one has an area of zero.
It seems as though observations that are pointing toward a grand minimum will be ignored at all costs.

Patrick Davis
August 14, 2011 1:44 am

Watching the classic scf-fi movie “The Blob” (Never seen it before). But, only CO2 fire extinguisher can stop the blob!!

John Marshall
August 14, 2011 2:01 am

I hope you find it. Get some good pictures Anthony.

sjones
August 14, 2011 3:52 am

Our intrepid Whisky-and-lots-of-ice polar explorers have updated their log,
I like this passage:
“Ultimately, the only thing everyone on the expedition knows is that for the last three summers it was possible to have made this attempt”
So even if they don’t make it, it would just have been bad luck, no doubt, this year.

Jim
August 14, 2011 4:00 am

he Huffington Post is soliciting people who are looking for work or
have a low paying job in Texas.
Quote:
With Texas’ minimal regulation and low taxes — and Perry’s cheerleading
— a spike in job growth during the past few years became known as the
Texas Miracle. The rise in oil and gas prices, as well as a long-time
state law protecting homeowners, helped stave off the recession for a
while. And as a result, a miracle myth was created, with little
exploration as to what impact Perry’s policies actually had on the
economic picture. The miracle is that anyone would call minimum-wage
jobs a miracle. Of the all the jobs in Texas created last year, 37
percent paid at or below minimum wage — and the state leads the nation
in total minimum wage workers, according to a recent New York Times
report.
“The important thing to do is not to just count jobs but to look at what
kinds of jobs are being created in Texas,” explained Dick Lavine, a
Senior Fiscal Analyst with the Center for Public Policy Priorities.
“Texas is tied for last with Mississippi for the highest percentage of
minimum wage jobs and Texas is by far the leader of residents who don’t
have health insurance. It’s low wage jobs without any benefits.”
This resonates with Gibbs at the ARCH, which created a 100-bed unit on
the third floor for homeless night-shift workers who needed a place to
sleep during the day. These workers, Gibbs said, included bakers from
downtown hotels who simply couldn’t afford Austin rents.
The ARCH may want to think about expanding its homeless worker unit. If
there is continued job growth in Texas, the trend continues to point
toward the low-skilled, low-wage variety. According to a just-released
Georgetown University study, Texas ranks 41 among all 50 states in the
percentage of jobs requiring post-secondary education.
HuffPost readers: If you’ve become recently unemployed in Texas or
struggle with a low-wage job in the Lone Star State, we want to hear
from you. Tell us your stories by emailing
jason.cherkis@huffingtonpost.com. Please include your phone number if
you’re willing to do an interview.
When it comes to budget gaps, Texas is just like much of the rest of the
country. This year, the state faced a projected budget shortfall
totaling as much as $27 billion; the legislature also had to contend
with a $4.3 billion deficit in its current budget. The state made
massive across-the-board cuts to state agencies — including $4 billion
in public school cuts over two years. Perry and the state legislature
also ended up closing out funding for pre-kindergarten programs for
roughly 100,000 low-income children. Mass layoffs of public sector
workers is expected.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/0 … 17460.html
The articles names some states with lower employment than Texas, but
just about all those states have a net outbound migration – unlike Texas
which has a high volume of inbound people. So those states have lower
unemployment because people gave up on finding a job there. What a
load!!!
http://simplydoit.net/tag/usa-migration-patterns/
HuffPo is just trying to smear Texas and Perry. Why is it that libtards
keep getting away with this BS. How can we publicize this and expose
them?

Dave Springer
August 14, 2011 5:11 am

The next president of the United States, Rick Perry, called global warming “all one contrived phony mess that is falling apart under its own weight”.
http://www.climatedepot.com/
Sarah Palin appears to be a bit miffed that Perry is running. She must have had some wild fantasies that she could somehow win the nomination (a long shot) and then the general election (an even longer shot).
I don’t think she understands that she’s radioactive right now. Being on the losing side of a presidential election is bad enough. Resigning as Governor of Alaska after only 18 months in office made it much worse. I like her and all but she just hasn’t got the right stuff for POTUS.
Neither does Obama have the right stuff but liberals don’t care who they vote for as long as the person says he or she cares about what they care for and don’t give a fig about whether the candidate has what it takes to turn words into laws.
Perry’s perfect. A poor kid raised on a small farm. Eagle Scout. Respectable grades. Air Force veteran (cargo plane pilot). Texax A&M graduate. 61 years old and married (only one time) to his high school sweetheart. A former Democrat (long ago). Never lost any of 9 elections to public office. Longest serving governor of Texas ever and it should be noted that if Texas was a country it would have the 11th largest national economy in the world. A devout mainstream Methodist. And perhaps most importantly since the 2008 financial crisis began Texas has created more jobs than the rest of the nation combined and while Perry can’t take all the responsibility for that he can sure claim a part of it.
It’s a shoo-in.

Kelvin Vaughan
August 14, 2011 5:33 am

Jim36 says:
August 13, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Do we have any idea about the composition of earth’s atmosphere billions of years ago, before the advent of photosynthesis? There can’t have been much oxygen. Oxygen is very reactive – most of it would be present in water, CO2, and bound to various rocks. There would have been a lot of CO2 – maybe 10%.
Then along comes 6CO2 + 6H20 = C6H12O6 +6O2 and CO2 gets stripped out of the atmosphere and oxygen gets added.
The shortage of CO2 is now a limiting factor in plant growth.
But the warmists keep telling us we need to make less CO2.
Why?
I have just been watching a TV program showing the greenhouses in Norfolk UK where they are growing Tomatos. They have enriched the air with extra CO2. The tomato plants are growing 32ft tall and crop prolificlally. The tomatos are bigger. and are sweeter than normal as well.

Dave Springer
August 14, 2011 5:37 am

MrX says:
August 13, 2011 at 9:11 pm
“Also, his faucet and sink analogy is flawed. The obstacle to the drain works with the sink because the output path is independent from the input path. With the atmosphere, the obstacle would block both incoming and outgoing energy. I know he’s talking about CO2 blocking infrared and not sunlight. But this won’t be true of all greenhouse gases.”
Actually it is true of all greenhouse gases. It’s the very property that makes them a greenhouse gas.

August 14, 2011 5:39 am

Gary, paulc, John R T;
Paul Johnson’s Modern Times did impress me at the time I read it, almost 20 years ago. : )
I was also impressed with his book ‘Intellectuals’, but to a lesser degree than Modern Times.
My favorite of all his books was surprisingly his ‘A History of Christianity’. Surprising because society would call me an atheist although I think that word is strictly religious terminology and really biases the dialog. I would call myself just a human who, although liking good fiction and fairy tales, doesn’t attribute supernaturalism and superstition to metaphysics, epistemology and ethics.
The reason I, a so-called atheist, was and still am very impressed with his ‘A History of Christianity’ is that for me to understand a lot of Western History then I need to know the history of Christianity. Johnson’s approach was refreshingly open, even though in his preface he admits being a profound Christian. For anyone like me who wants a good reference when Christianity is mentioned on a blog . . . I highly recommend it.
John

Dave Springer
August 14, 2011 5:40 am

“HuffPo is just trying to smear Texas and Perry. Why is it that libtards
keep getting away with this BS. How can we publicize this and expose
them?”
Compare Texas to Illinois. Obama might not have much track record but what he does have is in Chicago, Illinois.

Jim
August 14, 2011 5:40 am

Here is a link to the HuffPo article that should work …
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/03/governor-perrys-texas-economy_n_917460.html

Jim
August 14, 2011 6:01 am

Also, the cost-of-living adjusted median income is fairly high for Texas. This shows the lie being promulgated by HuffPo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

DocMartyn
August 14, 2011 6:04 am

O.K. Let me ask the question in a different way.
Why is the bottom of the ocean not subject to the same radiative heat trapping, coupled to CO2, that is proposed for the atmosphere?

Beth Cooper
August 14, 2011 6:17 am

Smokey, 13/08@11.18:
Enough of your Oz bashing. You think , down under, we don’t have our feet on the ground? Well many of us certainly do not have our heads in the clouds.EMPIRIC data supporting this claim… July Galaxy Poll, 60% of Australians disapprove a Carbon Tax, only 29% approve. More EMPIRIC data… calibre of OZ posters here, ‘Bulldust coiner of ‘Climategate’ posted this historic term on WUWT.
I’m warning you, Smokey, you are on my list and I know where you live :-).

Beth Cooper
August 14, 2011 6:49 am

John RT 13/08@12.19 re Paul Johnson on modern parliamentary abuses asks do readers perceive similarities between our times and the period between the two world wars? I do. The 20th century has been a period of global struggles between supporters of parliamentary democracy and various brands of centralist fascist movements. No surprise that F. A. Hayek’s ‘ The Road To Serfdom” ran through 10 reprints in 2010. First published in 1944, Hayek notes in his Introduction that ‘students of the currents of ideas can hardly fail to see that there is more than a superficial similarity between the trend of thought in Germany during and after the last war and the present current of ideas in this country.’ (Great Britain.) Do many of us who have read the Climategate emails doubt that politics, not science, is central to The Climate Debate?

mwhite
August 14, 2011 7:10 am
mwhite
August 14, 2011 7:13 am

Martin Durkin on the blogosphere
http://www.martindurkin.com/home

Laurie Bowen
August 14, 2011 7:32 am

Stark Dickflüssig:
With regards to cycles generally, and there are countless . . .
A two year variation in a 100 year cycles would be most acceptable in my pea brain modeling.
For example in my world . . . we have a 24 hr cycle of day/night . . . and moon cycle of, I pretty sure, 29 days (it has wax, full, wane, and new) . . . and a seasonal cycle of 365.25 days . . . which consists of spring, summer, fall and winter! And for my little pea bain model . . . it’s just the start . . . .
We live in a realm of round and round in circles we go . . . it is a reality that I recognize (and dare I say it) assume!