Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Loehle and Scafetta recently posted a piece on decomposing the HadCRUT3 temperature record into a couple of component cycles plus a trend. I disagreed with their analysis on a variety of grounds. In the process, I was reminded of work I had done a few years ago using what is called “Periodicity Analysis” (PDF).
A couple of centuries ago, a gentleman named Fourier showed that any signal could be uniquely decomposed into a number of sine waves with different periods. Fourier analysis has been a mainstay analytical tool since that time. It allows us to detect any underlying regular sinusoidal cycles in a chaotic signal.
Figure 1. Joseph Fourier, looking like the world’s happiest mathematician
While Fourier analysis is very useful, it has a few shortcomings. First, it can only extract sinusoidal signals. Second, although it has good resolution as short timescales, it has poor resolution at the longer timescales. For many kinds of cyclical analysis, I prefer periodicity analysis.
So how does periodicity analysis work? The citation above gives a very technical description of the process, and it’s where I learned how to do periodicity analysis. Let me attempt to give a simpler description, although I recommend the citation for mathematicians.
Periodicity analysis breaks down a signal into cycles, but not sinusoidal cycles. It does so by directly averaging the data itself, so that it shows the actual cycles rather than theoretical cycles.
For example, suppose that we want to find the actual cycle of length two in a given dataset. We can do it by numbering the data points in order, and then dividing them into odd- and even-numbered data points. If we average all of the odd data points, and we average all of the even data, it will give us the average cycle of length two in the data. Here is what we get when we apply that procedure to the HadCRUT3 dataset:
Figure 2. Periodicity in the HadCRUT3 global surface temperature dataset, with a cycle length of 2. The cycle has been extended to be as long as the original dataset.
As you might imagine for a cycle of length 2, it is a simple zigzag. The amplitude is quite small, only plus/minus a hundredth of a degree. So we can conclude that there is only a tiny cycle of length two in the HadCRUT3.
Next, here is the same analysis, but with a cycle length of four. To do the analysis, we number the dataset in order with a cycle of four, i.e. “1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4 …”
Then we average all the “ones” together, and all of the twos and the threes and the fours. When we plot these out, we see the following pattern:
Figure 3. Periodicity in the HadCRUT3 global surface temperature dataset, with a cycle length of 4. The cycle has been extended to be as long as the original dataset.
As I mentioned above, we are not reducing the dataset to sinusoidal (sine wave shaped) cycles. Instead, we are determining the actual cycles in the dataset. This becomes more evident when we look at say the twenty year cycle:
Figure 4. Periodicity in the HadCRUT3 dataset, with a cycle length of 20. The cycle has been extended to be as long as the original dataset.
Note that the actual 20 year cycle is not sinusoidal. Instead, it rises quite sharply, and then decays slowly.
Now, as you can see from the three examples above, the amplitudes of the various length cycles are quite different. If we set the mean (average) of the original data to zero, we can measure the power in the cyclical underlying signals as the sum of the absolute values of the signal data. It is useful to compare this power value to the total power in the original signal. If we do this at all possible frequencies, we get a graph of the strength of each of the underlying cycles.
For example, suppose we are looking at a simple sine wave with a period of 24 years. Figure 5 shows the sine wave, along with periodicity analysis in blue showing the power in each of the various length cycles:
Figure 5. A sine wave, along with the periodicity analysis of all cycles up to half the length of the dataset.
Looking at Figure 5, we can see one clear difference between Fourier analysis and periodicity analysis — the periodicity analysis shows peaks at 24, 48, and 72 years, while a Fourier analysis of the same data would only show the 24-year cycle. Of course, the apparent 48 and 72 year peaks are merely a result of the 24 year cycle. Note also that the shortest length peak (24 years) is sharper than the longest length (72-year) peak. This is because there are fewer data points to measure and average when we are dealing with longer time spans, so the sharp peaks tend to broaden with increasing cycle length.
To move to a more interesting example relevant to the Loehle/Scafetta paper, consider the barycentric cycle of the sun. The sun rotates around the center of mass of the solar system. As it rotates, it speeds up and slows down because of the varying pull of the planets. What are the underlying cycles?
We can use periodicity analysis to find the cycles that have the most effect on the barycentric velocity. Figure 6 shows the process, step by step:
Figure 6. Periodicity analysis of the annual barycentric velocity data.
The top row shows the barycentric data on the left, along with the amount of power in cycles of various lengths on the right in blue. The periodicity diagram at the top right shows that the overwhelming majority of the power in the barycentric data comes from a ~20 year cycle. It also demonstrates what we saw above, the spreading of the peaks of the signal at longer time periods because of the decreasing amount of data.
The second row left panel shows the signal that is left once we subtract out the 20-year cycle from the barycentric data. The periodicity diagram on the second row right shows that after we remove the 20-year cycle, the maximum amount of power is in the 83 year cycle. So as before, we remove that 83-year cycle.
Once that is done, the third row right panel shows that there is a clear 19-year cycle (visible as peaks at 19, 38, 57, and 76 years. This cycle may be a result of the fact that the “20-year cycle” is actually slightly less than 20 years). When that 19-year cycle is removed, there is a 13-year cycle visible at 13, 26, 39 years etc. And once that 13-year cycle is removed … well, there’s not much left at all.
The bottom left panel shows the original barycentric data in black, and the reconstruction made by adding just these four cycles of different lengths is shown in blue. As you can see, these four cycles are sufficient to reconstruct the barycentric data quite closely. This shows that we’ve done a valid deconstruction of the original data.
Now, what does all of this have to do with the Loehle/Scafetta paper? Well, two things. First, in the discussion on that thread I had said that I thought that the 60 year cycle that Loehle/Scafetta said was in the barycentric data was very weak. As the analysis above shows, the barycentric data does not have any kind of strong 60-year underlying cycle. Loehle/Scafetta claimed that there were ~ 20-year and ~ 60-year cycles in both the solar barycentric data and the surface temperature data. I find no such 60-year cycle in the barycentric data.
However, that’s not what I set out to investigate. I started all of this because I thought that the analysis of random red-noise datasets might show spurious cycles. So I made up some random red-noise datasets the same length as the HadCRUT3 annual temperature records (158 years), and I checked to see if they contained what look like cycles.
A “red-noise” dataset is one which is “auto-correlated”. In a temperature dataset, auto-correlated means that todays temperature depends in part on yesterday’s temperature. One kind of red-noise data is created by what are called “ARMA” processes. “AR” stands for “auto-regressive”, and “MA” stands for “moving average”. This kind of random noise is very similar observational datasets such as the HadCRUT3 dataset.
So, I made up a couple dozen random ARMA “pseudo-temperature” datasets using the AR and MA values calculated from the HadCRUT3 dataset, and I ran a periodicity analysis on each of the pseudo-temperature datasets to see what kinds of cycles they contained. Figure 6 shows eight of the two dozen random pseudo-temperature datasets in black, along with the corresponding periodicity analysis of the power in various cycles in blue to the right of the graph of the dataset:
Figure 6. Pseudo-temperature datasets (black lines) and their associated periodicity (blue circles). All pseudo-temperature datasets have been detrended.
Note that all of these pseudo-temperature datasets have some kind of apparent underlying cycles, as shown by the peaks in the periodicity analyses in blue on the right. But because they are purely random data, these are only pseudo-cycles, not real underlying cycles. Despite being clearly visible in the data and in the periodicity analyses, the cycles are an artifact of the auto-correlation of the datasets.
So for example random set 1 shows a strong cycle of about 42 years. Random set 6 shows two strong cycles, of about 38 and 65 years. Random set 17 shows a strong ~ 45-year cycle, and a weaker cycle around 20 years or so. We see this same pattern in all eight of the pseudo-temperature datasets, with random set 20 having cycles at 22 and 44 years, and random set 21 having a 60-year cycle and weak smaller cycles.
That is the main problem with the Loehle/Scafetta paper. While they do in fact find cycles in the HadCRUT3 data, the cycles are neither stronger nor more apparent than the cycles in the random datasets above. In other words, there is no indication at all that the HadCRUT3 dataset has any kind of significant multi-decadal cycles.
How do I know that?
Well, one of the datasets shown in Figure 6 above is actually not a random dataset. It is the HadCRUT3 surface temperature dataset itself … and it is indistinguishable from the truly random datasets in terms of its underlying cycles. All of them have visible cycles, it’s true, in some cases strong cycles … but they don’t mean anything.
w.
APPENDIX:
I did the work in the R computer language. Here’s the code, giving the “periods” function which does the periodicity function calculations. I’m not that fluent in R, it’s about the eighth computer language I’ve learned, so it might be kinda klutzy.
#FUNCTIONS
PI=4*atan(1) # value of pi
dsin=function(x) sin(PI*x/180) # sine function for degrees
regb =function(x) {lm(x~c(1:length(x)))[[1]][[1]]} #gives the intercept of the trend line
regm =function(x) {lm(x~c(1:length(x)))[[1]][[2]]} #gives the slope of the trend line
detrend = function(x){ #detrends a line
x-(regm(x)*c(1:length(x))+regb(x))
}
meanbyrow=function(modline,x){ #returns a full length repetition of the underlying cycle means
rep(tapply(x,modline,mean),length.out=length(x))
}
countbyrow=function(modline,x){ #returns a full length repetition of the underlying cycle number of datapoints N
rep(tapply(x,modline,length),length.out=length(x))
}
sdbyrow=function(modline,x){ #returns a full length repetition of the underlying cycle standard deviations
rep(tapply(x,modline,sd),length.out=length(x))
}
normmatrix=function(x) sum(abs(x)) #returns the norm of the dataset, which is proportional to the power in the signal
# Function “periods” (below) is the main function that calculates the percentage of power in each of the cycles. It takes as input the data being analyzed (inputx). It displays the strength of each cycle. It returns a list of the power of the cycles (vals), along with the means (means), numner of datapoints N (count), and standard deviations (sds).
# There’s probably an easier way to do this, I’ve used a brute force method. It’s slow on big datasets
periods=function(inputx,detrendit=TRUE,doplot=TRUE,val_lim=1/2) {
x=inputx
if (detrendit==TRUE) x=detrend(as.vector(inputx))
xlen=length(x)
modmatrix=matrix(NA, xlen,xlen)
modmatrix=matrix(mod((col(modmatrix)-1),row(modmatrix)),xlen,xlen)
countmatrix=aperm(apply(modmatrix,1,countbyrow,x))
meanmatrix=aperm(apply(modmatrix,1,meanbyrow,x))
sdmatrix=aperm(apply(modmatrix,1,sdbyrow,x))
xpower=normmatrix(x)
powerlist=apply(meanmatrix,1,normmatrix)/xpower
plotlist=powerlist[1:(length(powerlist)*val_lim)]
if (doplot) plot(plotlist,ylim=c(0,1),ylab=”% of total power”,xlab=”Cycle Length (yrs)”,col=”blue”)
invisible(list(vals=powerlist,means=meanmatrix,count=countmatrix,sds=sdmatrix))
}
# /////////////////////////// END OF FUNCTIONS
# TEST
# each row in the values returned represents a different period length.
myreturn=periods(c(1,2,1,4,1,2,1,8,1,2,2,4,1,2,1,8,6,5))
myreturn$vals
myreturn$means
myreturn$sds
myreturn$count
#ARIMA pseudotemps
# note that they are standardized to a mean of zero and a standard deviation of 0.2546, which is the standard deviation of the HadCRUT3 dataset.
# each row is a pseudotemperature record
instances=24 # number of records
instlength=158 # length of each record
rand1=matrix(arima.sim(list(order=c(1,0,1), ar=.9673,ma=-.4591),
n=instances*instlength),instlength,instances) #create pseudotemps
pseudotemps =(rand1-mean(rand1))*.2546/sd(rand1)
# Periodicity analysis of simple sine wave
par(mfrow=c(1,2),mai=c(.8,.8,.2,.2)*.8,mgp=c(2,1,0)) # split window
sintest=dsin((0:157)*15)# sine function
plotx=sintest
plot(detrend(plotx)~c(1850:2007),type=”l”,ylab= “24 year sine wave”,xlab=”Year”)
myperiod=periods(plotx)
tallbloke says:
July 31, 2011 at 3:09 pm
The 60 year J-S signal in the z-axis barycentre data is modulated by U & N, which shifts things around quite a lot.
How far back have you gone with the “z” data. I have only seen graphs over a short timeframe from you. I would have thought the “z” axis movements would be highly affected by orbit precession?
Leif Svalgaard says:
July 31, 2011 at 4:15 pm
tallbloke says:
July 31, 2011 at 2:50 pm
You are entitled to your opinions, poorly informed and boorish though they are.
hitting a new low point, eh?
With such an ad hom attack on Ray Tomes who isn’t here to speak for himself I’d agree you did, yes.
Geoff Sharp says:
July 31, 2011 at 4:19 pm
How far back have you gone with the “z” data. I have only seen graphs over a short timeframe from you. I would have thought the “z” axis movements would be highly affected by orbit precession?
I ran it back 3000 years.
The precession of which orbit or orbits?
tallbloke says:
July 31, 2011 at 4:27 pm
With such an ad hom attack on Ray Tomes who isn’t here to speak for himself I’d agree you did, yes.
You need to make a distinction between talking about someones ideas and the person. I was referring to his ideas. You were ad-homing a person [me]. Do you understand the difference?
You didn’t talk about his ideas, you arrogantly and rudely dismissed them without any supporting argument.
Goodnight.
tallbloke says:
July 31, 2011 at 4:45 pm
You didn’t talk about his ideas, you arrogantly and rudely dismissed them without any supporting argument.
I referred yo his theories:
“Ray’s ‘harmonic theories’ [ http://ray.tomes.biz//maths.html ] are pseudo-science, worthy of a place on your blog. His ‘relativistic effect’ http://ray.tomes.biz/rt106.htm is gibberish.”
There are things that are so wrong [or not even wrong] that no supporting argument is needed to debunk them. For starters, he begins:
“Einstein showed that gravity has an effect on horizontal light which is to bend it by twice as much as would be expected by Newtonian physics. That is, horizontal light is accelerated by gravity twice as much as other matter! Because vertical light is affected only the same as other matter, the average effect on randomly moving light is 5/3 times.”
Horizontal light? Vertical light? Accelerated twice as much as other matter? Vertical light affected the same as other matter? Already there he is off the rail.
Light moving out from the core of the Sun moves on average radially out and the sun is a symmetric sphere, so there is no ‘horizontal/vertical’ light. It is all ‘vertical’, and so on. As I said: gibberish.
tallbloke says:
July 31, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Geoff Sharp says:
July 31, 2011 at 4:19 pm
How far back have you gone with the “z” data. I have only seen graphs over a short timeframe from you. I would have thought the “z” axis movements would be highly affected by orbit precession?
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I ran it back 3000 years.
The precession of which orbit or orbits?
Can we see the results over 3000 years to see if there is a regular cycle. I was thinking all planetary orbits with their differing precessions would vary the z axis values over time allowing no repeatable pattern.
Girma,
Enclosed is a comparison between the Fourier (cutoff freq. 0.025 cycles/yr) & the EMD method as proposed by Wu, etc., “On the Trend, De-trending and Variability of Nonlinear and Non-stationary Time Series” by Wu, Huang, Long and Peng.
http://www.4shared.com/photo/2foIw4k7/CRU-Fig-6a.html
While there may be some differences, the EMD & Fourier Filtered results are about the same, as well as a fairly well defined ~60-65 year wave.
Leif Svalgaard says:
July 31, 2011 at 1:52 am
First stage of perturbation annotation complete.
http://tinyurl.com/2dg9u22/images/Solar-Activity-vs.Barycenter-Distance-AD.png
I have labelled two areas where the Solanki data diverges from the Steinhilber. The scaling method is .5, 1,2,3,4 with 4 being the strongest. I have used the visual method of quantification as per fig. 10 in paper. Future calibration could be improved with planet angles of perhaps by Wolff and Patrone. I have spoken to Dr. Wolff who thinks the grand minima perturbations also fit in with their theory.
Tip. Read up on Wilson’s Law (fig. 11 in paper) as per 1830. AM is a background engine and can depend on timing of the solar cycle as to if a disruption occurs ie, if perturbation happens just before cycle max it may be wasted and not allow conditions for “phase catastrophe” (following solar cycle is affected also).
It is quite possible that the dynamo theory can work with AM theory, all the dynamo principles stay intact except for the origin of the dynamo (no more crap shoot) and the poles would not be a driver but more an indicator.
Leif Svalgaard says:
July 31, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Horizontal light? Vertical light? Accelerated twice as much as other matter? ….Gibberish…pseudoscience.
Ray knows the difference between orthogonal and radial Leif. He is addressing a lay audience.
This is Willis’ thread about cycles and we’re not discussing physical causation of solar variation here. I’ll set up a discussion on my blog where Ray can answer your (politely put) questions if he wishes. Impolitely put questions will be deleted.
He told me he consulted with more than one recognised expert on relativity while formulating his hypothesis, and they couldn’t agree with each other, so he gave calcs for both scenarios in a later formulation than the one you linked. Given your demonstrated inability to understand the Newtonian property dynamics of bulk gases as opposed to their constituent atoms or molecules I very much doubt you were one of those experts. I recognise your expertise in stats and programming, but I think you are a bit of a duffer in some other areas. In fact, after reading your long argument with Bart on Pat Franks’ thread I’m not too sure about your knowledge or ability around spectral analysis any more either.
Good day.
Geoff Sharp says:
July 31, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Can we see the results over 3000 years to see if there is a regular cycle. I was thinking all planetary orbits with their differing precessions would vary the z axis values over time allowing no repeatable pattern.
I’ll have to dig the graph off my backup disc, when I’ve found it’s power cable…It might be quicker to download it.
In the meantime, take it from me that with about the same amount of variation as the X-Y data, the pattern regularly repeats on the same timescales.
Do you mean the precession of the nodes of the orbits? If so, do you have a table of these?
Judging by the regularity of the pattern the nodes of the gas giant’s orbits change very slowly, and a couple of them to and fro rather than continuing around solar system reference frame relative to ‘fixed stars’. E.g. there’s an angular momentum exchange between J and N at the frequency of the Hallstadt cycle. The inner planets don’t affect the curve much.
tallbloke says:
August 1, 2011 at 12:06 am
Geoff Sharp says:
July 31, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Can we see the results over 3000 years to see if there is a regular cycle. I was thinking all planetary orbits with their differing precessions would vary the z axis values over time allowing no repeatable pattern.
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I’ll have to dig the graph off my backup disc, when I’ve found it’s power cable…It might be quicker to download it.
Thanks I would be interested to see. In relation to the precession, looking at the solar system from the side in line with the solar equator let’s say the Jupiter Z axis is at its highest point right now. In 55,000 years it will be at its lowest point (at the same timing point of the orbit) if my figures are correct. The other planets would be precessing at different rates on their inclined orbits which should mean the total Z axis data will be shifting on a constant basis. I am not sure if the plane of the planet inclined orbit shifts with the precession, but either way the total mass must change over time?
Precession in the XY plane along with the differing orbit speeds produce different planet positions every 172 years (this is the shape of the solar proxy holocene record) but this is quite different to the mass changes experienced in the Z axis.
Geoff Sharp says:
July 31, 2011 at 5:25 pm
“Can we see the results over 3000 years to see if there is a regular cycle. I was thinking all planetary orbits with their differing precessions would vary the z axis values over time allowing no repeatable pattern.”
Things are simple.
A cycle related to the Earth says nothing. The common dimension is the frequency [year^ -1].
I propos the unit Kepler [Kp] with 1 Kp = 1/y.
Things then are more simple and can easy related to an energy or an angular momentum
[kg m^2 sec^-1] or [V A s^2]. Same unit as Planck’s constant h (This means that an angular momentum multiplied with a frequency is an energy [J] (!) ).
Using the unit [Kp] it is easy to find synodic frequencies of couples.
The dimension year is good for counting celebrations of human couples.
But also synodic frequencies tell not much, because of the nonregular movement of the synodic function. But is very simple to calculate the absolute angles measured on the ecliptic and moreover to calculate the >9 main body synodic functions.
Doing this, one can get a function, which include all real syndic function, and can compared it with what you like, 14C, gletcher retreats, sea level, CO2, global temperatures, a.s.o.
This graph is an example that compares your plot with the AM and Landscheidt’s calculation:
http://volker-doormann.org/images/ghi4n_vs_land_1.jpg
You can see that the frequency resolution of the GHI4n is better as the resolution from Landscheidt. This can be understood, because he was dealing with cycles, not with real celestial functions of synodic couples.
Most of the same synodic couples are used to sum up the GHI6, which can compared to the sample of G. Bulloides Nicola Scafetta has used in hie 2010 paper.
http://volker-doormann.org/gif/bulloides_1650_a.gif
In general the strength of the couple’s amplitude could be found by an automatic fitting starting with this empiric data using the high frequency proxies from A. Moberg et. al or global temperatures like Hadcrut or other. I have done this GHI amplitudes by hand using table calculation on my old 486 CPU PC.
Volker
Geoff Sharp says:
July 31, 2011 at 10:22 pm
First stage of perturbation annotation complete.
http://tinyurl.com/2dg9u22/images/Solar-Activity-vs.Barycenter-Distance-AD.png
I have spoken to Dr. Wolff who thinks the grand minima perturbations also fit in with their theory.
So far the agreement does not look so good. I presume you also do the the BC part. Wolff does not believe in AM having any influence.
tallbloke says:
July 31, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Ray knows the difference between orthogonal and radial Leif. He is addressing a lay audience.
That still does not make it any better. On the contrary, it means that he should try even harder to make it make sense.
Given your demonstrated inability to understand the Newtonian property dynamics of bulk gases as opposed to their constituent atoms or molecules
Newton’s laws are universal, it doesn’t matter if the stuff is in bulk or is just an atom. To obtain the gravity from a piece [or effect] of bulk matter you just sum over the constituents.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 1, 2011 at 6:43 am
So far the agreement does not look so good. I presume you also do the the BC part. Wolff does not believe in AM having any influence.
You are a hard man to please, I think at this point you are in denial.
Wolff is more concerned about the solar path changes that are a result of AM. He suggests (via email) the altered path during grand minima would have a downward effect on solar output.
Geoff Sharp says:
August 1, 2011 at 7:55 am
You are a hard man to please, I think at this point you are in denial.
A standard practice is to show all the data, not just a section that you like.
Wolff is more concerned about the solar path changes that are a result of AM. He suggests (via email) the altered path during grand minima would have a downward effect on solar output.
You have this backwards. AM is a consequence of changes in the orbit, not the cause.
Talbloke
“Impolitely put questions will be deleted.”
……. Given your demonstrated inability to understand the Newtonian property dynamics of bulk gases as opposed to their constituent atoms or molecules I very much doubt you were one of those experts. I recognise your expertise in stats and programming, but I think you are a bit of a duffer in some other areas. In fact, after reading your long argument with Bart on Pat Franks’ thread I’m not too sure about your knowledge or ability around spectral analysis any more either”
Thats nice. Invite someone to ask questions if they are polite and then insult them.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 1, 2011 at 8:04 am
A standard practice is to show all the data, not just a section that you like.
You have 2000 years to play with, not exactly chicken feed. Detail your objections so far.
You have this backwards. AM is a consequence of changes in the orbit, not the cause.
Can’t argue with that….a supreme marker. But that takes nothing away from Wolff’s analysis.
Geoff Sharp says:
August 1, 2011 at 8:42 am
A standard practice is to show all the data, not just a section that you like.
You have 2000 years to play with, not exactly chicken feed. Detail your objections so far.
So far, there does not seem to be any significant correlation between the 172-year ‘anomalies’ you have marked with grand minima. One could hope that if you plotted all of the data, that correlations might improve. At least, it becomes possible to compare coincidences with twice as much data. This seems a reasonable thing to do. So, do it. I may not have been specific enough. I also wanted you to mark on the Steinhilber curves which dips you would consider grand minima, then one can see the covariance by eye.
But that takes nothing away from Wolff’s analysis.
But everything from yours, it would seem.
Girma says:
July 30, 2011 at 6:55 pm
The cycle certainly appears to exist, but that’s not the question. The question is whether that cycle is apparent or real. The data is too short to answer that, so I attempted to throw some light on it by a Monte Carlo analysis. That analysis, shown in Figure 6 above, shows conclusively that such “pseudocycles” are quite common in random datasets. I found no less than eight of them in the first 20 datasets I looked at.
So the cycle is there, but it is very likely that it is just a spurious artifact of the shortness of the record.
w.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 1, 2011 at 9:09 am
Geoff Sharp says:
August 1, 2011 at 8:42 am
“But that takes nothing away from Wolff’s analysis.”
But everything from yours, it would seem.
Let me elaborate a bit on that. The AM curve is almost identical to the barycenter distance curve, so if it could be shown that the distance is the determining factor, then the AM would just – as you say – be a marker and not a cause as such, i.e. no spin-orbit coupling. In this sense Wolff removes your argument than spin-orbit coupling [whatever that impossibility is] is the cause. So, perhaps you should jump on the other bandwagon [tidal forces] that tallbloke and others are pushing. At least, then there would be some commonality as tallbloke might even refer to your work in more detail.
Geoff Sharp says:
July 30, 2011 at 8:59 pm
“One pass method”? I showed the multipass nature of my analysis in Fig. 5 above, and you accuse me of not reading what you wrote?
And if you showed how cycles were hiding from Fourier analysis, I certainly missed it.
If you wish to make such claims, PUT IN A LINK, because there’s no way I’m going searching for someone’s claims. In either case, I didn’t “refuse” to look at your methods, I didn’t understand them. And now that I’ve looked more closely at some of them, I find them totally missing in information necessary to replicate them.
For example, you did say this:
Now, that may be the “explanation” you speak of above as to how the Hydra-headed waves escape Fourier analysis, but if so, it did not clarify anything. It reminds me a lot of the stuff Ted Landscheidt used to tell me, and I couldn’t understand it either. It seems like industrial-strength hand-waving to me.
Now Geoff, if you have a) a reliable mathematical way to tell “trident” shaped cycles from other cycles, and b) a mathematical way to count the number of prongs on the “trident”, c) a way to mathematically determine how long a cycle with a “trident” actually lasts, and d) a demonstration of how such a wave escapes Fourier analysis, then you might have something here.
Heck, you could start by providing us with a mathematical function that actually generates waves with “multiple prongs”, so we could be sure what you’re talking about.
But since you haven’t revealed any of those necessary parts to your “trident-shaped wave” theory, sorry, it doesn’t pass the transparency test.
Finally, given that your arguments are missing and your claims don’t pass the transparency test, you should cut back on the accusations of bad faith regarding folks who don’t read what you write. We may have read it and merely laughed, or we may just be inutterably bored with unsubstantiated claims.
w.
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 1, 2011 at 9:09 am
So much ramble. I repeat, show me your objections to the correlations so far.
M.A.Vukcevic says:
July 31, 2011 at 1:39 am
Umm … err … here’s what I find.
I can understand a dead link to someone else’s web site. But a dead link to your own web site? Doesn’t inspire confidence.
w.