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The idea that China is to blame for the global temperature standstill does not stand up. It is a fact that in a world where CO2 is increasing year by year, the world’s temperature has not increased. The cause remains a mystery and nobody knows how long it will continue. It might seem an obvious thing to say but the credibility of global warming science rests on the fact that global warming has to resume. If it doesn’t happen fairly soon, then some of our assumptions about the science will need rethinking. –- GWPF, David Whitehouse, 14 July 2011
The German government wants to encourage the construction of new coal and gas power plants with millions of euros from a fund for promoting clean energy and combating climate change. —The Local, 13 July 2011
The worst drought to hit the Horn of Africa in more than 60 years is likely the result of strong seasonal weather phenomenon in the region, scientists say. The United Nations’ humanitarian news agency IRIN notes that global climate change isn’t the likely culprit. —UPI, 13 July 2011
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If CO2 and other greenhouse gases are/were actually causing a runaway greenhouse effect and if China’s dirty emissions are/were preventing that from happening, then maybe “blame” should be changed to “credit?”
“then some of our assumptions about the science will need rethinking”
I always thought science was about continually re-thinking your assumptions. Maybe I was wrong…
This “It’s all China’s fault” just doesn’t work. The amount of SO2 in the atmosphere has not passed the peak in the 70 and 80’s. So why does it cause cooling now and not then?
If aerosols has block warming as claimed, then logically the Germans are right, as we need more coal and less wind.
…”If it doesn’t happen fairly soon, then some of our assumptions about the science will need rethinking”…
That’s assuming any thinking was done to begin with. Never admit defeat, double clutch and shift gears.
The temperature standstill since 2000 is easily explained by a natural 60-year cycle in the temperature of likely astronomical origin not reproduced by the computer models
as extensively proven in my paper:
N. Scafetta, “Empirical evidence for a celestial origin of the climate oscillations and its implications”. Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics 72, 951–970 (2010), doi:10.1016/j.jastp.2010.04.015
The air temperature is a poor indicator of the balance of energy exchange between us, the sun, and the cold places between the stars. We don’t have a clue what that energy balance is, so don’t know with any universally acceptable certainty what the air temperature should be. We have only a gridded patchwork of guestimates what it has been, and the results of that guestimation are seriously contested.
I sent the following to Real Climate yesterday (13 July) but my name must now be on a “kill” list as it didn’t get posted. Or they recognized the snake-oil agreement with what they were saying. I put it here as I reference the Chinese smog excuse Schmidt et al are jumping on to explain why temperatures and sea-levels aren’t rising as expected. Though he and Hansen say that over the 20-year time-frame they are actually still rising as expected (including the 3.1 mm/yr sea-level rate, though 2.0 mm/yr over the last 9 years is the current pattern; irrelevant, don’t ya know).
Looking back at the records to 1860 or earlier is useful if you believe that “normal” temperature rises and consequent sea-level rises are still occurring: you will get the minimum, non-AGW trend. If you think that at some point the “normal” processes stopped and became AGW/A-CO2 now causes 75% or more of global temperature and sea-level rise, then the prior history is useful for showing when the break occurred and the deviation from (say, 25%) the normal processes still in-place.
AGW has as its premise that the majority and an increasing proportion with time of both global temperature and sea-level rises are anthropogenically caused by A-CO2 emissions, specifically fossil fuel burning. Thus the last 16 year average of 3.1 mm/yr, (ignoring the more recent, 9-year average of <2.0 mm/yr rise) must have at least a 2.5 mm/yr anthropogenic component if AGW is happening. The question to be answered for the skeptics is "when" the current heating and sea-level rise stopped being natural.
I had thought the initial IPCC/Hansen work suggested an anthropogenic signal would not be evident until the 1980s, which would make sense as it was about 1979 that GISTemp shows a marked shift in the rate of global temperature increase. If this is the case, then in the AGW science-as-understood there MUST be an acceleration of sea-level as well as temperatures in the pipe. The forecasts are fixed by established science and mathematics to have severe outcomes by 2050, not just 2100. If we are to see those forecasts occur in the next 39 years, the increases must begin right away. Every year they are held back – by whatever means, natural or Chinese coal pollution – there is a greater rebound building in.
If, by 2015, the sea-level has not risen by 15.5mm, to 45.5mm in total, a serious re-working of mechanisms operating must take place. At the same time the GISTemp global temperatures must be in excess of 0.17C greater than today (to get another 2.2C by 2100). The rise to disaster cannot be postponed much as the science is pretty much determined; only details remain not understood.
The next 4 years are critical for the progress of dangerous growth in temperatures and sea-levels. The calculated power of CO2 is greater now than it was in the post-WWII days when aerosols are calculated to have been able to reduce planetary temperatures. The industrial West is no longer the smogland it was; I understand you can see the volcanoes near Mexico City as well as the mountains outside L.A. these days, and the green fogs of London are gone. Nowhere have we seen evidence that China, India and Indonesia are generating the level of aerosols that the industrial West used to.
By 2015 the difference between what the skeptics say is going on and the IPCC calculations will be too significant to be controversial. The Archibald/WUWT skeptics just yesterday proposed a Canada-US Border temperature decline of 1.2C in the next few years. So the skeptics say it is going to get cooler as AGW theory says, just as CO2 will go up by a certain amount (8 ppmv by 2015), the global and sea temperatures will rise. And cause the sea-level to continue to rise. The telling is almost upon us.
The most difficult case will be if the trends of post-1979 continue. Then either the minimum case of AGW is happening – which means we cannot really stop the rise (low CO2 sensitivity means a massive reduction in CO2 emissions to be effective) or – horrors! – natural processes are stronger than understood. Which could mean that if now natural cooling is tempering the situation, in 2050 or so when the cycle turns and natural warming occurs again, the last half of the century will be a potboiler. And beyond the help of "preventative" measures.
henry@Doug
There is no man made global warming caused by an increase in GHG’s
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/henrys-pool-table-on-global-warming
But maybe we can calculate total energy input (by man) versus energy input by the sun and get a percentage?
I think that percentage input by man might just be very low.
Doug;
Your post was killed because lurking in the background, between the lines, is the obvious resolution: CO2 has SFA to do with climate.
BenfromMO says:
July 14, 2011 at 8:23 am
“then some of our assumptions about the science will need rethinking”
I always thought science was about continually re-thinking your assumptions. Maybe I was wrong…
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I think you’re correct but,
I think I need to think about it, some more, still or again…maybe.
@nicola scafetta says:
July 14, 2011 at 8:41 am
A very interesting article by Michele Casati: http://daltonsminima.altervista.org/?p=15034 (in Italian language)
Nicola Scafetta,
Welcome to WUWT! Unfortunately, it will be decades before the “bright sparks” and “leading climate scientists” finally recognize ground-breaking nature of the work that you have presented in your paper.
Doug Proctor wrote:
“The industrial West is no longer the smogland it was; I understand you can see the volcanoes near Mexico City as well as the mountains outside L.A. these days, and the green fogs of London are gone. Nowhere have we seen evidence that China, India and Indonesia are generating the level of aerosols that the industrial West used to.”
Well I have been to Shanghai and Suzhou a few weeks ago, and the air was very very opaque, grayish brown, with a bad industrial smell. I never saw a blur sky or a star at night.
I agree about the industrial west, near Chicago I see a brilliant blue sky today.
The “Chinese aerosols” explanation is not based on any physical evidence but is rather wild speculation from those delusional enough to believe that humans must be responsible for every climate and weather fluctuation we see. Note that I mean they think we are behind everything-this isn’t a strawman anymore, people actually argue this! But the reality is that almost none of the variability in weather and climate requires any explanation whatsoever (let alone human causation) because the system is chaotic and dynamic. There have been two unquestionably successful attempts to find variability that actually is explained by “something”-volcanic eruptions, and the glacial cycles due to Milankovitch effects. We don’t definitively know what causes anything else. And even the volcanic eruptions and glacial cycles are poorly understood.
It was nice of David Whitehouse to acknowledge that he found no errors in the Kaufmann paper.
According to the Met office, last June in the UK was the coldest since 2001, not much warming happening just hype when we do get the odd warm day.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/hi/uk_reviews/newsid_9531000/9531298.stm
It seems like everyone is being confused by evidence and facts. Fear not, Al Gore will be explaining everything to us shortly and the oceans will begin to rise once again.
Praise be to Al
John Edmondson says: So why does it cause cooling now and not then? – If you give them chance to tweak their models to match their theory then I am sure that it will be shown that it did cause cooling then, but the real world data was just wrong.
I know I have said this before…. but
* Why are we using atmospheric temperature to quantify planetary heat content?
* Why are we averaging temperature of polar dry low enthalpy air with tropical humid high enthalpy air?
These are serious data-type errors
If we are looking to assess the changes in planetary heat content we should measure Ocean Heat Content. There is a direct relationship between heat content and temperature in sea water. After all the top 2.5m of ocean has as much heat capacity as the entire atmosphere.
Surely scientists should not be discussing atmospheric temperatures with unthinking averaging of daily-min+daily-max/2 for polar and tropical air as a way of measuring energy budget?
Sigh – they are – and we join them in the mud arguing about how they measure temperature.
Its all in the energy!!! And I want you to think about this. If we took the entire ocean atmosphere system together, how much energy could a trace gas needed for life affect it. .04% of a gas, when stacked agains the energy in the gas, which is sensitive to temperature and water vapor content, plus energy constantly added from the prime source, the ocean. It’s mind bogglingly small. The comments referring to quantifying energy are dead on! But the AGW side would never do that because it would reveal the fraud their argument is.
Bill Gray was right years ago… saying this was the biggest scam in the name of science ever.
The met office averages for the UK, June, show that the difference between the maximum and minimum temperature is greater than the mean for 1961 to 1990. The East and North East of England shows an increased 1 degree centigrade difference from the average. The opposite to what one would expect from increased CO2.
An interesting implication of the first item (Chinese coal pollution causing cooling) for the second (Germany to expend climate funds on coal plants) is that there is no irony in the second: so long as the Germans build ’em real dirty, they can claim credit for ameliorating AGW.
Too funny.
Mike says:
July 14, 2011 at 9:59 am
It was nice of David Whitehouse to acknowledge that he found no errors in the Kaufmann paper.
What gave you that impression?
Amazing what happens when you take your fingers out your ears, open your eyes and stop shouting “La, La, La”.
Gaia really is an amazing piece of engineering, almost like she has an intelligence that we cannot understand, fighting the universe to allow us to live, laugh and have fun….
….Slow day at work.