Guest Post by Ryan Maue
Over at the National Journal, we get an insider’s view of the climate crisis: a so-called debate about the effects of global warming on extreme weather. In the Energy & Environment “expert blogs” section, a collection of articles is assembled “re-examining” possible links between recent weather events and global warming. Roger Pielke Jr. was asked to participate and describes his contribution at his blog, which is linked and copied here:
From Roger Pielke Jr.’s blog:
My piece is essentially the same as what I provided to Yale e360 not long ago, just a little expanded. The other submissions are far more interesting and in general would make great grist for an essay by the Bizarro World Chris Mooney.
David Hunter says some smart things about the science and while Rep. Blumenauer could not be more wrong about the science, he gets the policy conclusions exactly right. Throughout there is the usual litany of recent extremes and their human and economic costs and assertions how they must be linked to human-caused climate change. Support for these assertions are provided by mentioning news articles and NGO reports, several mentions of rolling a 13 with loaded dice and one extended analogy to splattering spaghetti sauce.
You’d think that with this line-up, William O’Keefe, the lone “skeptic” included in the round up would be able to hit a home run. Instead, he strikes out.
Spaghetti sauce and dice?
Here is the link to Pielke Jr.’s submission over at the National Journal: “Extreme Weather and Climate Change“. Since the website is free, I am quoting the submission also for educational purposes and discussion (disclaimer). My highlights are in bold:
The IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] defines “climate change” as a change in the statistics of weather occurring over 30 years or longer and persisting for decades. Thus, the detection of a change in climate requires long-term records. To suggest that particular extreme weather events are evidence of climate change is not simply wrong, but the wrong way to even approach the issue — every bit as much as the claims made during a particularly cold and snowy winter (or even several in a row) that such events somehow disprove climate change. Weather is not climate and short-term climate variability is not climate change.
The detection of changes in climate requires looking at actual data.
The data on events that have captured our attention this year — tornadoes, large-scale river floods (in unaltered river basins), and landfalling hurricanes — shows no evidence of trends in the direction of more extreme events. This should not be surprising, because even if we assume a strong signal in extreme events from human-caused climate change, the statistics suggest that it would take many decades, and probably longer, before such signals would be detected.
Given this context, claims that particular events can be attributed in a causal fashion to human emissions of greenhouse gases are simply unscientific if not fundamentally incoherent. It is true that overall damage from tornadoes, floods, and hurricanes has been increasing in recent decades. A recent literature review of extreme event impacts around the world found that everywhere that researchers have looked, this increase can be entirely explained by increasing value of property at risk and increasing exposures to these hazards.
Human-caused climate change is real and deserves effective policies in response. The making of claims that are scientifically unsupportable will not further that effort. When they assert a linkage between recent disasters and human-caused climate change, advocates for action actually empower their opponents by giving them an easy-to-hit target.
This is all the more ironic because the arguments for better adaptive responses and improving our energy policies in ways that reduce reliance on fossil fuels make good sense regardless.
Roger Pielke Jr. according to his About Me is a professor of environmental studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder. He actually does research in the field he is being asked to comment on — and publishes peer-reviewed literature — a standard that is commonly used to disqualify others who venture into the climate debate . This means that he looks at data/facts and statistics on a daily basis. However, who are the other experts that the National Journal has assembled? How many of them have contributed an original thought to the issue at hand? Turns out that they are all “political types”.
Let’s see:
This time it is with a group of political types, which so far includes Representative Earl Blumenauer (D-OR), David Hunter (IETA), Gene Karpinski (LCV), Dan Lashof (NRDC), Eileen Claussen (Pew Climate), Carl Pope (Sierra Club), Nathan Willcox (Environment America) and William O’Keefe (Marshall Institute).
Rather than spoiling the fun, I encourage readers to wander over the National Journal and read the submissions by the above folks.
The arguments made by the politicians quote the recent Scientific American articles, Sharon Begley of Newsweak, and science czar John Holdren (of population control fame, a recurrent theme lately with Al Gore), and regurgitate the same old, tired talking points about every recent weather event caused by climate change (even though no one individual event can be attributed…). I hope that additional “expert” contributions are included in the “debate”, as Pielke Jr. looks pretty lonely amongst all of those politicians/think tankers.
” When they assert a linkage between recent disasters and human-caused climate change, advocates for action actually empower their opponents by giving them an easy-to-hit target.”
“This is all the more ironic because the arguments for better adaptive responses and improving our energy policies in ways that reduce reliance on fossil fuels make good sense regardless.”
Pielke Jr is often quite difficult to understand. He completely undermines the need for their to be any “action” but he pretends as though there still should be. He sees a Democrat representative spout nonsense science, then claims he is right on policy. I predict he will claim no contradiction in all of this. Hogwash. There is no basis for forcing massive changes on our economy without the various scare stories about AGW. I really don’t see what on earth he could think justifies this.
In regards to the dust storm image at the top of this post, they’re pretty common in Phoenix, even if this one was bigger than most. I spent 3 years in Phoenix from 1972 – 1975 and I experienced a number of those dust storms. You knew when they were coming when you saw a brown wall on the eastern horizon. The brown wall would get higher and higher until it overtook your location. There was no wind until the dust arrived. After the dust passed there would often be a “Phoenix 6 incher,” that is a rain where the raindrops were 6″ apart. I remember using my windshield wipers to clear the dust to drive the following morning. I don’t know why this made the national news although it was a cool picture but hardly a novel event.
[ryanm: Haboob 2011 made national news because it was filmed with a cheap camera phone and uploaded to YouTube. A particularly dense reporter on CNN couldn’t come up with the scientific reason for it, just wondered if it ever happened before. Her recollection of history likely began when she woke up in the morning.]
rbateman says:
July 6, 2011 at 4:59 pm
“I would like to take this opportunity to remember . . .”
The storm that put the fires out when our friends, the British, tried to burn Washington, D. C., loo those many years ago.
Chuck spent 10 years of Aerial Firefighting most every summer in the Southwest-yep,
seen that too. Usually a precursor to the Monsoons..
Media/Scientific hysteria benefits none…
I’d rate O’Keefe a base-hit.
Ryan chose the image of the recent haboob that has hit Arizona. It is interesting to know that these develop at the front of high pressure systems, here on the western side of mobile polar high of 1015hPa covering most of the US… not as written in the media during the “Arizona Monsoon”… sign that these journalists have no clue about what a monsoon is. They should read Leroux!
In my history of Melbourne, there are references to dust storms back as far as 1835, before Victoria was a settled farming state and only pioneers lived there. They are regular occurrences here in Oz.
But we live in a world of instant hype and non-existent correction.
Pielke Jr. just spent and blew several large handfuls of his cred. The bottom of the barrel is in sight.
I remember my mum telling of the vast dust clouds that spread over Victoria (Southern Australia) from the Mallee in the early part of last century.
I can well remember this storm back in 1983, it certainly was eerie to watch from the 16th floor of a Melbourne office building. But 1983 was pre warming hype.
I can only imagine what my Mum would have made of the warmist rubbish, had it been apportioned the blame for the storms she witnessed back in the 1920s.
Bob in Castlemaine says:
July 7, 2011 at 1:16 am
Herewith image omitted from above comment.
As I have said before, the “increase” in damage from freak weather events is based almost soley upon insurance compainies & their policy changes. In the old days, (certainly in the UK) if one made a claim because of damage, the insurance company would send round an assessor, to limit or Adjust the loss! This meant giving out a chequw for the value of the damaged item for what it was worth immediately before the damage occurred! Nowadays, it’s all new for old, so automatically the cost goes up, & loss adjusters are quite helpful at times by suggesting claiming for this or that whilst you’re about it, as it is covered in the policy, but no increase in actual damage or intensity of weather event is recorded!
I’m confused by Pielke Jr’s stance on AGW. His scientific arguments are in general incisive, cohesive and effective, and yet he seems unable to make the final step to renouncing the AGW faith. I’d like to see his justification for his belief.
It reminds me of episodes of The Atheist Experience on YouTube – religious callers are taken through a logical argument by the hosts, step by step, agreeing with each point, until it reaches an ultimate conclusion – one that contradicts their core belief, so they just throw it out, even though they know it to be true.
Chuck,
Ha ha. I too remember the ‘6″‘ rain falls. Are you remembering correctly on the direction? The prevailing winds in Phoenix usually come from the west. I remember those storms also. A couple of times I was on top of South Mountain showing visiting relatives the sights and watching a big dust storm like that roll in from the west. Quite impressive. Phoenix is in a desert. Dust storms happen.
Simon Wood and others, thanks for the comments/reactions. FYI, my views on climate science and policy are discussed in my book, The Climate Fix:
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2010/04/climate-fix.html
I welcome any critiques of the arguments that I make in it — it is certainly not the last word by a long stretch, but I do think that the questions raised on this thread about my views are addressed in the book on both science and policy. Thanks.
Terry W,
Yes, it was common for the storms to develop over the mountains to the east or so and then move down into the desert in the late afternoon or evening. The satellite loop for that day showed the storms moving east to west.
Check,
Ah yes. In July / August time frame there were systems moving in from the gulf so they would move up from the southeast, especially if there were tropical storm/hurricane action going on in the gulf or Mexico.
I think the ones I saw were in May or June when they came from the west. Any dust storm coming in with rain would end up muddying the car.
Apparently the recent dust storm in Phoenix is now an officially a part of the CAGW fruit cake pseudo-Science. Sorry but we have a few dsut storms blowing in from the desert, every year but admittingly we haven’t had one quite as strong in several years.
Meanwhile the EPA dweebs are chortling with glee. Phoenix wil have had a metropolitan wide pollution of PM2.5 and PM10 for at least several hours. Of course that dust storm will be blamed on Man for the “pollution”. That will allow them to condemn the generally cleaner air in Phoenix and add it to the Non Attainment Air Quality Areas, that justify their current and future budgets and manpower.
re post by: TomRude says: July 6, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Naw, it definitely is monsoon – it’s here in S. Nevada too. A little earlier than normal, but only by a few weeks. Typically monsoon starts in SW USA in late July or early August.
I wonder if there was greater CAPE than normal in the Valley of the Sun that day? There has been so much cold air aloft very late in the season this year, throughout the Western US. Just posing the question.
Making note of things today, the national radar on Anthony’s side bar shows lots of convection firing up all around the Western US today. That Four Corners High and SW Monsoon are really cranking up. More like what you’d expect in early September than in early July.
In fact, looks like there is a super cell a couple hundred miles to my southeast, between Fresno and Bakersfield. I’m going to go over the NWS sites and check it out.
Sorry, I was off a bit, not the Hanford CWA, the next one to the east – Vegas CWA:
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/vef/
Cranking today.
…A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 515 PM PDT
FOR CENTRAL CLARK COUNTY…
AT 435 PM PDT…NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONTINUED TO
INDICATE A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS IN
EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR BLACK MTN…OR 9 MILES
SOUTH OF HENDERSON…MOVING NORTHEAST AT 10 MPH.
OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
ANTHEM…HENDERSON EXECUTIVE AIRPORT…SEVEN HILLS…GREEN VALLEY…
WINDMILL AND GREEN VALLEY PARKWAY…SAM`S TOWN…SAM BOYD STADIUM…
EAST LAS VEGAS…RAILROAD PASS AND BOULDER CITY
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS…
THIS STORM IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS WHICH CAN BRING
DOWN TREES AND POWER LINES AND CAUSE SIGNIFICANT BLOWING DUST AND
DEBRIS. IN ADDITION…HAIL AND LIGHTNING ARE LIKELY. LIGHTNING CAN
KILL! TAKE COVER IN A SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS
UNTIL THE STORM PASSES.
REPORT SEVERE WEATHER BY POSTING YOUR REPORT TO THE LAS VEGAS
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FACEBOOK PAGE OR TWITTER #NWSVEGAS.
LOCAL STORM REPORT
NWUS55 KVEF 080042
LSRVEF
PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAS VEGAS NV
542 PM PDT THU JUL 07 2011
..TIME… …EVENT… …CITY LOCATION… …LAT.LON…
..DATE… ….MAG…. ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. …SOURCE….
..REMARKS..
0339 PM FLASH FLOOD 1 SE BOULDER CITY 35.97N 114.82W
07/07/2011 CLARK NV TRAINED SPOTTER
SPOTTER REPORTS SIX INCHES OF WATER AND ROCKS ACROSS
HIGHWAY 93 AT SEVERAL PLACES IN BOULDER CITY.
Rationale debate, of course it’s a monsoon, rain in summer… LOL
Where was the inclined meteorological equator? yep, 100 of miles south. Look at a satellite image before spewing. EOM.
FYI: Just because WMO calls any maritime trade from the Gulf of Mexico a “monsoon”, it does not have a crossing of the equator, is not involved in transequatorial declivity and thus is not genetically a monsoon. Ch.4, sec. 4.5 Leroux, Dynamic Analysis of Weather and Climate 2010. Springer/Praxis 2ed english
BTW the Panameam Monsoon reaches maximum 15 degree North latitude.