Bastardi on outdoor grilling, 4th of July, AGW, and all that

Here’s a 4th of July message from Joe Bastardi of WeatherBell regarding this idiotic piece in the NYT. Click the image at left for the story. He’ll be on Fox News tomorrow morning to talk more about it.

Then there’s the always dependably irrational Brad Johnson of ThinkProgress.org (you know, the guy that shamelessly and without anything other than his own irrational thought processes blamed tornadoes on “climate pollution deniers -voting states who challenged climate legislation) who writes:

Firework shows from Texas to Massachusetts have been canceled because of the deadly climate conditions…

Oh noes! Deadly climate conditions. Lock your doors, bar your windows, don’t let your children look at the sky! Yeah, I guess Brad has never heard colloquialism “hot as a firecracker on the Fourth of July”. Of course what is missing is historical context. How many Forth of July fireworks displays were canceled in 1934 during the drought, or 1988 during the California drought? Or has the trend in fireworks cancellation been accelerating (cuz it’s the trend that is important you know) with CO2 increase? But I digress, they aren’t interested in anything but the politically expedient moment.

Here’s one for Brad:

Climate doesn’t kill people, weather does.

But enough of the defective thinking over at TP.

Joe writes via email:

I will be on Fox and Friends tomorrow morning (6:52AM ET) to debunk the notion that outdoor grilling is a cause of global warming.

First of all, mans yearly contribution to the atmosphere of CO2 results in an increase the size of a hair on a  1km bridge.  If we take the whole atmosphere, ocean system together, and realize most of the energy is in the oceans anyway, the amount man contributes is so small, its probably the width of a hair on a trip to a galaxy light years  away. In addition  CO2  is loved by plants, so I have  a new motto for the fourth,  Grill a steak, Help a Tree!!!!

But there is something more behind this.  Not only is this  another foolish global warming  idea, but it’s an attack on a cherished 4th of July American ritual (summer too)  and an American tradition that lasts into other season (tailgating) but its targeting meat eaters too.  And when one looks at that, one sees why this should be interesting tomorrow morning since I am supposed to be on a set where we are grilling up some meat and I am going to make darn sure the adage bulk up or leave town is applied. I will bulk up, then leave town.

Now if you want to eat something different, be my guest. I am not going to stop you. But if you want to help green the planet, there is probably some tree out there that would take the greenhouse gasses that your grilling is adding and use them for its own purpose… so go on you red blooded American.

Grill that steak and help that Tree. Its the patriotic thing to do.

ciao for now

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John Tofflemire

OMG!!!!!!

tokyoboy

To the American folks…… A Happy Independence Day!

Anything is possible

As you feast on your burgers, you can also reflect on the fact that their methane-farting days are well and truly over. The environment wins again!
Happy Independence Day.

John Q. Galt

Also take care to NOT eat your Brussels sprouts. All those gassy emissions and all. /sarc>

Jay Davis

Just got finished grilling ribs on my charcoal grill. Am now going inside to sit with my wife in the air conditioned dining room to eat them. Afterward, we may go to “downtown” Churchville in my truck to get some dessert – soft ice cream. Later we may go and watch a fireworks display. In other words, we are doing what we always do on the glorious 4th of July. Hope the AGW fanatics have fun doing whatever delusional people do on their country’s birthday, wherever that is.

ShrNfr

Noted in passing, the fireworks on the esplanade in Boston may well happen in the rain.

Theo Goodwin

God Bless Anthony and Joe! Happy grilling Fourth of July to both.
Please, please, call shame on the Warmista for scaring children. Warmista are disgraceful in their behavior toward children, using the worst kind of fear tactics to frighten and indoctrinate them.

DJ

Most of the third world will be celebrating having food on the 4th of July by grilling on a wood, charcoal, or coal, or dung fire. While the 4th to them is just another day, they’ll still be grilling on the 5th, the 6th, the 7th…………….
But we get slammed for doing it one day.

u.k.(us)

From:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/30/opinion/30palmer.html
“I’m not advising you to forsake grilling this holiday and join the ranks of raw-foodists.”….
==============
Yet, you mention it.
You poor, guilt-ridden…

oMan

I am inclined to think the warmistas are not terribly sophisticated in their strategy; but if one did ascribe sophistication to them, it would explain why they are going after the Fourth of July. Because it is deeply damaging to our morale to give ground on this (highly symbolic, deeply felt) occasion. But it is an occasion that has not needed defending against such silly salient attacks as CO2, thus does not have well-prepared defenses. It is entirely too easy to laugh incredulously and say “oh, fine, whatever,” and give ground because of course everyone understands these people are absurd, and by pressing their case they make their absurdity even more abundantly clear. Except: not. This is exactly how the fight is lost. Over apparent trifles. Pretty soon we are trying to defend the “core” ideas, and it’s too late. My recommendation: tell them to go to heck; early, loud and often.

PaulH

Do environmentalists need shrinks?
http://www.grist.org/living/2011-06-22-do-environmentalists-need-shrinks
Bwwwwwhaaaahahahhaaa!!! 🙂

The real explanation for that “fitted news”
Attending parades increases likelihood of patriotism and Republicanism:

Democratic political candidates can skip this weekend’s July 4th parades. A new Harvard University study finds that July 4th parades energize only Republicans, turn kids into Republicans, and help to boost the GOP turnout of adults on Election Day.

Curiousgeorge

Palmer neglected to mention beer, which would obviously be off the menu, according to his philosophy, due to high CO2 content. Braaaaapppp! Tap another keg!

starzmom

Happy Fourth Everybody!! There are some folks out in western Kansas who are too dry for fireworks–here in northeast Kansas we have more water than we know what to do with. It all evens out in the long run–really.

Speed

From the article:
There are few easy choices in environmental analysis.
He got one thing right.

Greg, Spokane WA

There’s lots of greenery popping up here in Spokane. Given our all too short growing season I think it needs all the help it can get, so grilling/BBQing as much as possible seems like an excellent idea.
And as @Anything is possible says, those cows won’t be belching out the dreaded methane. /sarc

kbray in california

I’m sequestering CARBON for the holiday via the consumption of a great vintage of “Two-Buck-Chuck”. (that’s a $1.99 bottle of trader joe’s wine for the un-initiated…).
Unfortunately it is reacting with something and causing me to “off-gas methane”…
If I drink enough, I may try to ignite the “fumes” for my contribution to “fireworks” for the Forth of July and my “feelings” toward “global warming” for the “Fifth (column)” of warmists… It may all “end” with just a “hot butt”.
HAPPY FORTH of JULY to all who care !!! Where is the party for 100 Million Hits?
I’ll contribute. Best regards to all… Ken.

Scott

This piece would have been okay except for the hair vs. bridge and hair vs. next galaxy analogies. If people want to do the math to argue this, please be my guest. Otherwise, the article is fine and makes several good points.
Also, I remember the 1988 drought covering much more than CA. A quick look at the Palmer indices shows this to be the case:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/drought/historical-palmers.php?index=pdsi&month%5B%5D=7&beg_year=1988&end_year=1988&submitted=Submit
Try comparing that to 2011:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/drought/historical-palmers.php?index=zndx&month%5B%5D=5&beg_year=2011&end_year=2011&submitted=Submit
(Note, that’s a May map because June isn’t up yet and obviously July isn’t up yet either.)
Clearly, 1988 was FAR WORSE than what we’re seeing now. Every year has dry spots in the U.S. in early July. If there weren’t any, I’d be worried that the CAGW were right!
-Scott

trbixler

No fireworks in Marina Del Rey, city of Los Angeles is out of money!

starzmom says:
July 3, 2011 at 6:19 pm

Happy Fourth Everybody!! There are some folks out in western Kansas who are too dry for fireworks–here in northeast Kansas we have more water than we know what to do with. It all evens out in the long run–really.

Do you guys get all the fireworks from western Kansas to add to your displays?

trbixler

Just noticed the weather map has L.A. bright red with a temp of 67 F. New York 73 and blue. Mann at work? No fireworks but bright map?

mike g

@trbixler says:
July 3, 2011 at 6:34 pm
No fireworks in Marina Del Rey, city of Los Angeles is out of money!

That’s actually stopping them?

dp

Didn’t we just go through this nonsense last year in Russia where it was agreed a little regional warmth (and I presume cooling as when it recently snowed in California) was the result of natural events? Brad has earned his tattoo.

Tom t

Dang, if only our ancestors did not discover fire.
I had thought the AGW alarmists had wanted to knock us back to the stone age. Now it looks like they want to knock us back even farther than that.

David Falkner

The NYT. Geez.
Anyone want to come to our Winter Solstice celebration of the Solstice tree decorated by ambiguous sled faring folk dressed in red? Frank and Tim are getting married. You’re all invited. Don’t forget, bring veggies because you know meat is bad for the environment. Oh, and please try to leave the USBs of stolen government files in the right reporter’s stocking. Revkin doesn’t approve of stolen files folks.

Amino Acids in Meteorites

For those who don’t know who Joe Bastardi is here he is on video talking about cooling that is likely coming to the earth and not warming:

Independence day from the greens – every day of the year

Fergus T. Ambrose

Drink beer and avoid CO2 hair in food.

Youse guys are late to the party. We had this scare in Canada years ago — and it helps cut down plution yah know! No smoke from barbeecues and no more asthma and no more smog.It made the rounds in Toronto area just a few years ago. I promptly barbied a few burgers and contemplated the injustice of the universe…
Uur experts (weathermen, climatologists, mayors) went in TV to say it was all true and we could slay the CO2 monster if we just tried harder. Shessh!

R.S.Brown

Joe could mention the ski resorts out west opening up for the holiday
weekend to take advantage of the snow that should have melted off
last month.
See:
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20110703/D9O8868O0.html
Have a safe & happy 4th !

crosspatch

Charcoal is a renewable energy resource. The charcoal CO2 goes into the air, from there to a tree, and from there to more charcoal and back to the grill. The charcoal is CO2 that came out of the atmosphere very recently.
It is a biofuel.
If charcoal grilling is bad, then so is the use of biofuels in other sources of energy such as engine fuels.

Amino Acids in Meteorites

R.S.Brown
Snow, a thing of the past.
;O)

rbateman

A couple of endangered species here:
1.) Beans, beans the magical fruit…. Banned
2.) Jack & the Beanstalk (more Banned Beans)
3.) Bean Counters (maybe that’s not so bad, but they are people too, so have a heart)
4.) Chili Cookoffs – OMG all those beans, peppers and meat – a methane moment awaits
Ready the Doomsday Volcano-busting Array … Fire!
There, no more life left on Earth to cause Global Warming. A Class L Planet (Lifeless).
120,000 years from now, upon awakening from the Next Ice Age, there is only blue water, brown dirt and lots of lava rocks.
If there are traces of Ancient Civilizations on Mars, that’s what probably happened. They got Gore Fever and the resulting crater we now know as Olympus Mons. Mars vented it’s core heat to space, forming the Asteroid Belt, froze up and then lost it’s atmosphere to the Solar Wind.
Don’t let fools play with nuclear matches.

Amino Acids in Meteorites

crosspatch
Richard Feynman on fire, describing the same type of cycle you are talking about:
Well worth watching!!

Skeptic Tank

From the article (I just had to read it):

Charcoal is made of wood, so the carbon it releases upon combustion is approximately equal to the carbon the tree it came from once removed from the atmosphere. In theory, charcoal should be less damaging than propane, which releases carbon that has been sequestered harmlessly underground for hundreds of millions of years.

And where was it hundreds of millions of years ago before there was complex life on the planet? It was all in the atmosphere. The atmosphere was loaded with it.

Joe Bastardi

actually, the contribution of humans yearly to the atmosphere of co2 is equal to that. Humans contribute a minute amount of c02, most of it is in exchange between oceans, earth and air. Since w increase about 1.8 ppm a year and humans contribute less than 5%, well that works out to pretty close to that. I didnt come up with it, but check it out. Now, lets understand that the oceans contain most of the total energy of the atmosphere ocean system. Much much much more than the air, of which humans are contributing yearly .09 ppm. So, see if you can follow the math, since the oceanic heat content dwarfs the air, then the estimate is so small, that using the galaxy analogy is probably not bad. But if you want, I will settle for Pluto.. it has been kicked out of the planets I hear and needs some good press.
Now lets take it further. how much of that is contributed by your grill.
As I said, fire it up, feed yourself and help a tree

crosspatch

I am also not convinced that the oceans have completely recovered from the LIA. As the oceans warm, they will release CO2. We had a very long period of cold temperatures. It is easy to cool a body of water by reducing the air temperature above it. It is very difficult to warm it when the air temperatures rise. It would take a much longer time to warm the ocean than it takes to cool it. We don’t really have any data on the abyssal deep. I would not be surprised to learn that the oceans at depth are still recovering from the LIA.

rbateman

Joe Bastardi says:
July 3, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Poor Pluto will finally get some good press and some of that good old NASA Imaging & Science stuff:
The New Horizon probe is projected to reach Pluto on July 14, 2015, and that’s the Right Stuff.
In the meantime, keep up the Dr. Joe CO2 Fever medicine show.

dcardno

Oh yeah – fire up the grill!
To all our American friends, all the best on your Independence Day! Be happy, and be safe.

Justthinkin

Up here in the Great Whit North(well,maybe noy longer if the warmistas are right),I even BBQ on New Year’s Day.It has been my tradition and my friends for over 30 years.Oh.And we support PETA….People Eating Tasty Animals.

I got the steaks, I got the barbie, I got (gasp) nice weather, Will be firing up this evening (Monday) and Johnson can have an apoplexy on me.

Mac the Knife

Why must we have this tension…this racist bigotry between flora and fauna? Can’t we all getta along? Yah, sure, you betcha! };>)
Dry rub ribs cooked low and slow, spicy barbeque chicken, braturst with ‘kraut, sweet corn, and baked beans, all smoke grilled on a natural charcoal and white oak fire, are on the menu for the neighbors Independence Day gathering tomorrow. Please note that we use only biodegradeable, free range, environmentally friendly, responsibly harvested, charcoal and white oak firewood to fire our 4th of July barbeque pit! The citronella tiki torches will be burning as twilight deepens into dark….. and then the perimeter of Shady Lake WA goes to ‘Def Con 1, Full Launch – First Strike’, in a madhouse paroxysm of fireworks that run until nearly 12:00am! Vegans, AGW fanatics, and the aurally timid need not attend!
May God Bless the Free and Fun Loving Nation of the United States of America!

John Finn

Joe Bastardi says:
July 3, 2011 at 9:35 pm
actually, the contribution of humans yearly to the atmosphere of co2 is equal to that. Humans contribute a minute amount of c02, most of it is in exchange between oceans, earth and air. Since w increase about 1.8 ppm a year and humans contribute less than 5%, well that works out to pretty close to that. I didnt come up with it, but check it out. Now, lets understand that the oceans contain most of the total energy of the atmosphere ocean system. Much much much more than the air, of which humans are contributing yearly .09 ppm. So, see if you can follow the math, since the oceanic heat content dwarfs the air, then the estimate is so small, that using the galaxy analogy is probably not bad. But if you want, I will settle for Pluto.. it has been kicked out of the planets I hear and needs some good press.

Huh? I think your understanding of the carbon cycle might be a bit confused. It’s true that CO2 increases by ~1.8ppm per year and it’s true that humans produce ~5% of natural CO2 emission – but it’s this 5% which produces the 1.8 ppm rise.
Before ~1850 the earth’s biosphere released ~150 GtC (not sure of the exact figures but ~150 GtC is in the right ‘ball park’) annually – but it also absorbed ~150 GtC annually so the atmospheric CO2 concentration remained roughly in equilibrium at ~280 ppm. Human CO2 production has distrurbed that equilibrium and since 1850 the CO2 concentration has risen to ~390 ppm.
Your main point about the negligible impact of barbecue grills is valid, though.

John R T

Remember Earth Day? Costa Rica´s Central Valley got an early start on fireworks. Just when everybody was to cut the lights, this tropical paradise honored and thanked China for building the National Stadium. How does one honor the guest who invented fireworks? Right: a pyrotechnic extravaganza. Did I mention the light show? Earth Day, on the Isthmus!
Entertainment recently from the Asamblea Legislativa: VERY serious discussions about honoring a agreement to evaluate hydrocarbon deposits under the Caribbean coast. Now the local Greenies demand that the USA contractor not look for oil: look for natural gas, only! [Education draws a lot of attention, locally. Maybe by 2021, when CR becomes ´carbon neutral,´ the science classes will explain the carbon connection.]
No fireworks tomorrow. Local media seldom have kind words for North Americans, and joining in Independence Day celebrations could prompt the locals to compare this socialist state to what freedom offers.
Happy Fourth of July. I will have a fire in the chimenea: our neighbors are wearing sweaters.

John Marshall

As a Royalist I should perhaps not say this,=—- Have a great Independence Day. Keep those steaks a coming help several trees.

AK

With the midday sun beating down upon my black metal smoker I hardly need any propane at all to maintain a steady 220°F. I guess one could call that “solar-augmented” hybrid BBQ 🙂

View from the Solent

I understand there was a difference of opinion over our respective choice of beverage some 238 years ago. But I don’t hold it against you. Have a great day.

Bloke down the pub

To all you colonials, have a happy independance day.

Gary

C’mon now, the SurfaceStations.org project showed that barbequing DOES affect climate change.
http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_itemId=12306
/sarc

Pamela Gray

Here at the ranch: T-bones and beer with thick slices of homemade bread to soak up the juice.