“If we are right, this could be the last solar maximum we’ll see for a few decades,” Hill said. “That would affect everything from space exploration to Earth’s climate.”
Update: see the official press release here – “All three of these lines of research to point to the familiar sunspot cycle shutting down for a while.”
It looks like Livingston and Penn are getting some long deserved recognition. See their graph below:
Graph above from the WUWT solar reference page. Note: when the B gauss reading of sunspots hits 1500, they will no longer have enough contrast to be visible. That may occur at or near the years 2015-2017. WUWT carried a story in 2008 warning of this.
The American Astronomical Society meeting in Los Cruces, NM has just made a major announcement on the state of the sun. Sunspots may be on the way out and an extended solar minimum may be on the horizon.
From Space.com reporting from the conference:
Some unusual solar readings, including fading sunspots and weakening magnetic activity near the poles, could be indications that our sun is preparing to be less active in the coming years.
The results of three separate studies seem to show that even as the current sunspot cycle swells toward the solar maximum, the sun could be heading into a more-dormant period, with activity during the next 11-year sunspot cycle greatly reduced or even eliminated.
The results of the new studies were announced today (June 14) at the annual meeting of the solar physics division of the American Astronomical Society, which is being held this week at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces.
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Currently, the sun is in the midst of the period designated as Cycle 24 and is ramping up toward the cycle’s period of maximum activity. However, the recent findings indicate that the activity in the next 11-year solar cycle, Cycle 25, could be greatly reduced. In fact, some scientists are questioning whether this drop in activity could lead to a second Maunder Minimum, which was a 70-year period from 1645 to 1715 when the sun showed virtually no sunspots.
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“We expected to see the start of the zonal flow for Cycle 25 by now, but we see no sign of it,” Hill said. “This indicates that the start of Cycle 25 may be delayed to 2021 or 2022, or may not happen at all.”
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If the models prove accurate and the trends continue, the implications could be far-reaching.
“If we are right, this could be the last solar maximum we’ll see for a few decades,” Hill said. “That would affect everything from space exploration to Earth’s climate.”
More on this as it unfolds. This article will be updated as new information becomes available.
See also these previous WUWT posts leading up to this:
Solar activity still driving in the slow lane
Sun’s magnetics remain in a funk: sunspots may be on their way out
The sun is still in a slump – still not conforming to NOAA “consensus” forecasts
Livingston and Penn in EOS: Are Sunspots Different During This Solar Minimum?
Livingston and Penn paper: “Sunspots may vanish by 2015″.
Sunspots Today: A Cheshire Cat – New Essay from Livingston and Penn
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As I have been saying for some time:
The long term Ap (the solar geomagnetic index) has been on a downtrend, ever since there was a step change in October 2005.
Thanks to Leif Svalgaard, we have a more extensive and “official” Ap dataset (NOAA’s SWPC shown above has some small issues) that I’ve plotted below. The step change in October 2005 is still visible and the value of 3.9 that occurred in April of 2009 is the lowest for the entire dataset. The Ap Index was the lowest in 75 years then.
And I’ve also plotted the 1991 to 2009 from BGS/Svalgaard to compare against the NOAA SWPC data:
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Dr. Leif Svalgaard writes:
Here are the abstracts of the three studies referred to in the announcement:
P16.10
Large-scale Zonal Flows During the Solar Minimum — Where Is Cycle 25?13
Frank Hill, R. Howe, R. Komm, J. Christensen-Dalsgaard, T. P. Larson, J. Schou, M. J. Thompson
The so-called torsional oscillation is a pattern of migrating zonal flow bands that move from midlatitudes towards the equator and poles as the magnetic cycle progresses. Helioseismology allows us to probe these flows below the solar surface. The prolonged solar minimum following Cycle 23 was accompanied by a delay of 1.5 to 2 years in the migration of bands of faster rotation towards the equator. During the rising phase of Cycle 24, while the lower-level bands match those seen in the rising phase of Cycle 23, the rotation rate at middle and higher latitudes remains slower than it was at the corresponding phase in earlier cycles, perhaps reflecting the weakness of the polar fields. In addition, there is no evidence of the poleward flow associated with Cycle 25. We will present the latest results based on nearly sixteen years of global helioseismic observations from GONG and MDI, with recent results from HMI, and discuss the implications for the development of Cycle 25.
P17.21
A Decade of Diminishing Sunspot Vigor
W. C. Livingston, M. Penn, L. Svalgaard
s Convention Center
Sunspots are small dark areas on the solar disk where internal magnetism, 1500 to 3500 Gauss, has been
buoyed to the surface. (Spot life times are the order of one day to a couple of weeks or more. They are thought to be dark because convection inhibits the outward transport of energy there). Their “vigor” can be described by spot area, spot brightness intensity, and magnetic field. From 2001 to 2011 we have measured field strength and brightness at the darkest position in umbrae of 1750 spots using the Zeeman splitting of the Fe 1564.8 nm line. Only one observation per spot per day is carried out during our monthly telescope time of 3-4 days average. Over this interval the temporal mean magnetic field has declined about 500 Gauss and mean spot intensity has risen about 20%. We do not understand the physical mechanism behind these changes or the effect, if any, it will have on the Earth environment.
P18.04
Whither goes Cycle 24? A View from the Fe XIV Corona
Richard C. Altrock
Solar Cycle 24 had a historically prolonged and weak start. Observations of the Fe XIV corona from the Sacramento Peak site of the National Solar Observatory showed an abnormal pattern of emission compared to observations of Cycles 21, 22, and 23 from the same instrument. The previous three cycles had a strong, rapid “Rush to the Poles” in Fe XIV. Cycle 24 displays a delayed, weak, intermittent, and slow “Rush” that is mainly apparent in the northern hemisphere. If this Rush persists at its current rate, evidence from previous cycles indicates that solar maximum will occur in approximately early 2013. At lower latitudes, solar maximum previously occurred when the greatest number of Fe XIV emission regions* first reached approximately 20° latitude. Currently, the value of this parameter at 20° is approximately 0.15. Previous behavior of this parameter indicates that solar maximum should occur in approximately two years, or 2013. Thus, both techniques yield an expected time of solar maximum in early 2013.
*annual average number of Fe XIV emission features per day greater than 0.19
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I forgot to mention that Seth Boringstein just wrote for ABC news:
“Scientists are predicting that the sun is heading into an unusual and extended super quiet mode. Around 2020, sunspots may disappear for years, maybe decades.
But scientists say it is nothing to worry about. The effects from a calmer sun are mostly good. There’d be fewer disruptions of satellites and power systems. And it might mean a little less increase in global warming.
It’s happened before, but not for a couple centuries.
Scientists at a solar physics conference in New Mexico unveiled their prediction based on sunspot activity, magnetic field strength and a disappearing solar jet stream.”
I like : maybe a little less increase in global warming. Phew, what a relief. Thank Heaven for that. Um, Seth-ster, do you own a parka,cuz’ you’re gonna need it.
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=13838215
Robert Felix has been justified by this, I think. I only hope that this is a precursor to a “little” Ice Age, and not a greater one.
Weren’t these some of the same people who predicted that SC24 would be one of the largest?
As WUWT readers here have stated or implied, we have seen the numbers for this cycle, and they are low.
Factors unknown are occuring on/in the sun, shouldn’t we be spending our $’s to learn more about it, than the billions on a trace gas..
Lets get the politics out of science, and get back to science.
Those who fail to learn from the past (LIA), are bound to repeat it.
I hope that this is taken seriously, but how can it with 20 years of green religion propagandists screaming that the sky is falling. Well, the sky didn’t fall, but now it could get really frigging cold. While all the green warmists were spending my tax dollars on solar powered wind mills, I was insulating my home and hoarding cheap oil.
I have no pity for the politicians, pseudo-scientists and activists who frittered my money away on their religion.
Good for telecommunication no?
Oh! the irony of it, the whole global warming thing was kicked off by a Scandinavian scientist suggesting that we could perhaps stave off the next mini ice age by burning more fossil fuels.
@John
Temps will drop soon enough i think. Even during dalton and maunder it took about a decade or so before temps really started dropping.
I’ve been following this closely at http://www.landscheidt.info/ The compare this sc with sc 5. Pretty amazing. If we are intering a grand minimum, we could be in for a rough ride in the next few years.
@Dave:
Like the Republicans on the House Energy and Commerce Committee have decided by vote that there was no global warming?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=house-repubs-vote-that-earth-is-not-11-03-16
http://www.leif.org/research/F107%20at%20Minima%201954%20and%202008.png
This is the graph to watch!
Flux seems to be bumping happily along the bottom.
Brrrrrr! Looks like it may get really c-c-cold. Time to invest in vests and other warm clothing.
Hope these guys are wrong, but probably not.
Swell : \
…but its NOAA so we’ve got a better than 50:50 chance its wrong.
New Solar Cycle Prediction
May 29, 2009
source: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/29may_noaaprediction/
“Even a below-average cycle is capable of producing severe space weather,” points out Biesecker. “The great geomagnetic [Carrington event] storm of 1859, for instance, occurred during a solar cycle of about the same size we’re predicting for 2013.”
I asked Matt Drudge to provide a link to the space.com article linked in Anthony’s story. Hopefully this will get more publicity to the “sun’s” sunspot depressed status. In case you wanted to know how drudge links for weather and climate get on his website, here’s a one-time secret primer: http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/drudge_maue.png
Well thank goodness the sun has nothing to do with our climate…………..
….breathe harder
R. Gates says:
June 14, 2011 at 11:20 am
…A lot of IF’s here…exactly why it’s such an exciting time to be alive and watch what happens!
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I agree. The world is due to enter a cooling cycle anyway (ocean cycles) and if the sun’s activity actually does change it gives us a great opportunity to do some real science and learn some important things.
As far as the alarmists go, in 10 to 15 years they’ll be howling about the upcoming ice age. Again. Fire and Ice.
Let us not forget that the L&P paper was originally rejected for publication; why I never found out, but it is suspected that it was because it went against the warmahoilic religion. Luckily, Bill Livingston was persuaded to publish the paper on the web, and so we all could read it. Now, I gather it was presented ate the American Astronomical Society meeting; quite an accomplishment for a rejected paper.
—-I’m so glad I’m over 70 and shan’t have to face the next Big Freeze!
There may be drammatic climate change and climate refugees but not in the way Warmists think.
Here is a link posted by a commenter on another thread – its about a “monumental solar eruption” that took place back on August 1, 2010.
Settled science?
Here’s our comeback: “By then peak oil’s effect will have kicked in and our CO2 emissions will be in decline anyway.”
“It looks like Livingston and Penn are getting some long deserved recognition!”
Indeed! “Hats Off!” to Livingston and Penn, for continued solid work and to the American Astronomical Society for showcasing it!
Locally, our approximately normal temps 2010-11 winter and below average temperatures spring here in the Great NorthWet of USA has consumed 4.5 cords of my renewable, locally grown, eco-friendly, all organic (no growth hormones!), free range, humanely harvested biofuel….(aka ‘dry fire wood’ ) for my home heating needs. I have just a 1/2 cord left and am still firing the wood stove every other day or so to bring the house temps back to 70F and drive off the persistent humidity from our continued cool, wet weather!
Planning for next winter, I have +4 cords of new fire wood cut and about a third of it split for drying now. Me thinks it best to get the rest split pronto, for maximum drying during what may be a cooler and/or foreshortened summer and fall! And maybe add another cord or two as well……
I sure hope summer comes on a weekend…… so we can have a hike and a picnic on the shoulders of Mt. Stuart, up above the Teanaway river basin!
For you sci-fi fans, I recommend the following ‘return of the glaciers’ classic:
“Fallen Angels (1991) (ISBN 0-7434-3582-6) is a Prometheus Award-winning novel by science fiction authors Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, and Michael Flynn published by Jim Baen. The novel was written as a tribute to science fiction fandom, and includes many of its well-known figures, legends, and practices. It also champions modern technology and heaps scorn upon its critics – budget cutting politicians, fringe environmentalists and the forces of ignorance.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Angels_%28science_fiction_novel%29
Ask an Aztec!
Well, maybe this will raise interest in the solar-planetary theory. After all, it was used to predict this oncoming solar minimum a long time ago.
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/06/14/solar-physicists-finally-get-the-message-landscheidt-was-right-after-all/
I have the solution… Let’s use Mike’s trick and hide the decline. YEAH!
Invest in solar-powered snowmobiles, wind-powered iceboats, and cold weather gear.
The title of my next movie: “An Inconvenient Solar Minimum”