Happer on The Truth About Greenhouse Gases

The dubious science of the climate crusaders.

William Happer is the Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics at Princeton University.

The object of the Author in the following pages has been to collect the most remarkable instances of those moral epidemics which have been excited, sometimes by one cause and sometimes by another, and to show how easily the masses have been led astray, and how imitative and gregarious men are, even in their infatuations and crimes,” wrote Charles Mackay in the preface to the first edition of his Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds. I want to discuss a contemporary moral epidemic: the notion that increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases, notably carbon dioxide, will have disastrous consequences for mankind and for the planet. The “climate crusade” is one characterized by true believers, opportunists, cynics, money-hungry governments, manipulators of various types—even children’s crusades—all based on contested science and dubious claims.

I am a strong supporter of a clean environment. We need to be vigilant to keep our land, air, and waters free of real pollution, particulates, heavy metals, and pathogens, but carbon dioxide (CO2 ) is not one of these pollutants. Carbon is the stuff of life. Our bodies are made of carbon. A normal human exhales around 1 kg of CO2 (the simplest chemically stable molecule of carbon in the earth’s atmosphere) per day. Before the industrial period, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere was 270 ppm. At the present time, the concentration is about 390 ppm, 0.039 percent of all atmospheric molecules and less than 1 percent of that in our breath. About fifty million years ago, a brief moment in the long history of life on earth, geological evidence indicates, CO2 levels were several thousand ppm, much higher than now. And life flourished abundantly.

Now the Environmental Protection Agency wants to regulate atmospheric CO2 as a “pollutant.” According to my Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, to pollute is “to make or render unclean, to defile, to desecrate, to profane.” By breathing are we rendering the air unclean, defiling or desecrating it? Efforts are underway to remedy the old-fashioned, restrictive definition of pollution. The current Wikipedia entry on air pollution, for example, now asserts that pollution includes: “carbon dioxide (CO2)—a colorless, odorless, non-toxic greenhouse gas associated with ocean acidification, emitted from sources such as combustion, cement production, and respiration.”

As far as green plants are concerned, CO2 is not a pollutant, but part of their daily bread—like water, sunlight, nitrogen, and other essential elements. Most green plants evolved at CO2 levels of several thousand ppm, many times higher than now. Plants grow better and have better flowers and fruit at higher levels. Commercial greenhouse operators recognize this when they artificially increase the concentrations inside their greenhouses to over 1000 ppm.

Wallis Simpson, the woman for whom King Edward VIII renounced the British throne, supposedly said, “A woman can’t be too rich or too thin.” But in reality, you can get too much or too little of a good thing. Whether we should be glad or worried about increasing levels of CO2 depends on quantitative numbers, not just qualitative considerations.

How close is the current atmosphere to the upper or lower limit for CO2? Did we have just the right concentration at the preindustrial level of 270 ppm? Reading breathless media reports about CO2 “pollution” and about minimizing our carbon footprints, one might think that the earth cannot have too little CO2, as Simpson thought one couldn’t be too thin—a view which was also overstated, as we have seen from the sad effects of anorexia in so many young women. Various geo-engineering schemes are being discussed for scrubbing CO2 from the air and cleansing the atmosphere of the “pollutant.” There is no lower limit for human beings, but there is for human life. We would be perfectly healthy in a world with little or no atmospheric CO2—except that we would have nothing to eat and a few other minor inconveniences, because most plants stop growing if the levels drop much below 150 ppm. If we want to continue to be fed and clothed by the products of green plants, we can have too little CO2.

The minimum acceptable value for plants is not that much below the 270 ppm preindustrial value. It is possible that this is not enough, that we are better off with our current level, and would be better off with more still. There is evidence that California orange groves are about 30 percent more productive today than they were 150 years ago because of the increase of atmospheric CO2.

Although human beings and many other animals would do well with no CO2 at all in the air, there is an upper limit that we can tolerate. Inhaling air with a concentration of a few percent, similar to the concentration of the air we exhale, hinders the diffusional exchange of CO2 between the blood and gas in the lung. Both the United States Navy (for submariners) and nasa (for astronauts) have performed extensive studies of human tolerance to CO2. As a result of these studies, the Navy recommends an upper limit of about 8000 ppm for cruises of ninety days, and nasa recommends an upper limit of 5000 ppm for missions of one thousand days, both assuming a total pressure of one atmosphere. Higher levels are acceptable for missions of only a few days.

We conclude that atmospheric CO2 levels should be above 150 ppm to avoid harming green plants and below about 5000 ppm to avoid harming people. That is a very wide range, and our atmosphere is much closer to the lower end than to the upper end. The current rate of burning fossil fuels adds about 2 ppm per year to the atmosphere, so that getting from the current level to 1000 ppm would take about 300 years—and 1000 ppm is still less than what most plants would prefer, and much less than either the nasa or the Navy limit for human beings.

Yet there are strident calls for immediately stopping further increases in CO2 levels and reducing the current level. As we have discussed, animals would not even notice a doubling of CO2 and plants would love it. The supposed reason for limiting it is to stop global warming—or, since the predicted warming has failed to be nearly as large as computer models forecast, to stop climate change. Climate change itself has been embarrassingly uneventful, so another rationale for reducing CO2 is now promoted: to stop the hypothetical increase of extreme climate events like hurricanes or tornados. But this does not necessarily follow. The frequency of extreme events has either not changed or has decreased in the 150 years that CO2 levels have increased from 270 to 390 ppm.

Let me turn to some of the problems the non-pollutant CO2 is supposed to cause. More CO2 is supposed to cause flooded cities, parched agriculture, tropical diseases in Alaska, etc., and even an epidemic of kidney stones. It does indeed cause some warming of our planet, and we should thank Providence for that, because without the greenhouse warming of CO2 and its more potent partners, water vapor and clouds, the earth would be too cold to sustain its current abundance of life.

Other things being equal, more CO2 will cause more warming. The question is how much warming, and whether the increased CO2 and the warming it causes will be good or bad for the planet.

The argument starts something like this. CO2 levels have increased from about 280 ppm to 390 ppm over the past 150 years or so, and the earth has warmed by about 0.8 degree Celsius during that time. Therefore the warming is due to CO2. But correlation is not causation. Roosters crow every morning at sunrise, but that does not mean the rooster caused the sun to rise. The sun will still rise on Monday if you decide to have the rooster for Sunday dinner.

There have been many warmings and coolings in the past when the CO2 levels did not change. A well-known example is the medieval warming, about the year 1000, when the Vikings settled Greenland (when it was green) and wine was exported from England. This warm period was followed by the “little ice age” when the Thames would frequently freeze over during the winter. There is no evidence for significant increase of CO2 in the medieval warm period, nor for a significant decrease at the time of the subsequent little ice age. Documented famines with millions of deaths occurred during the little ice age because the cold weather killed the crops. Since the end of the little ice age, the earth has been warming in fits and starts, and humanity’s quality of life has improved accordingly.

A rare case of good correlation between CO2 levels and temperature is provided by ice-core records of the cycles of glacial and interglacial periods of the last million years of so. But these records show that changes in temperature preceded changes in CO2 levels, so that the levels were an effect of temperature changes. This was probably due to outgassing of CO2 from the warming oceans and the reverse effect when they cooled.

The most recent continental ice sheets began to melt some twenty thousand years ago. During the “Younger Dryas” some 12,000 years ago, the earth very dramatically cooled and warmed by as much as 10 degrees Celsius in fifty years.

The earth’s climate has always been changing. Our present global warming is not at all unusual by the standards of geological history, and it is probably benefiting the biosphere. Indeed, there is very little correlation between the estimates of CO2 and of the earth’s temperature over the past 550 million years (the “Phanerozoic” period). The message is clear that several factors must influence the earth’s temperature, and that while CO2 is one of these factors, it is seldom the dominant one. The other factors are not well understood. Plausible candidates are spontaneous variations of the complicated fluid flow patterns in the oceans and atmosphere of the earth—perhaps influenced by continental drift, volcanoes, variations of the earth’s orbital parameters (ellipticity, spin-axis orientation, etc.), asteroid and comet impacts, variations in the sun’s output (not only the visible radiation but the amount of ultraviolet light, and the solar wind with its magnetic field), variations in cosmic rays leading to variations in cloud cover, and other causes.

The existence of the little ice age and the medieval warm period were an embarrassment to the global-warming establishment, because they showed that the current warming is almost indistinguishable from previous warmings and coolings that had nothing to do with burning fossil fuel. The organization charged with producing scientific support for the climate change crusade, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), finally found a solution. They rewrote the climate history of the past 1000 years with the celebrated “hockey stick” temperature record.

The first IPCC report, issued in 1990, showed both the medieval warm period and the little ice age very clearly. In the IPCC’s 2001 report was a graph that purported to show the earth’s mean temperature since the year 1000. A yet more extreme version of the hockey stick graph made the cover of the Fiftieth Anniversary Report of the United Nation’s World Meteorological Organization. To the surprise of everyone who knew about the strong evidence for the little ice age and the medieval climate optimum, the graph showed a nearly constant temperature from the year 1000 until about 150 years ago, when the temperature began to rise abruptly like the blade of a hockey stick. The inference was that this was due to the anthropogenic “pollutant” CO2.

This damnatia memoriae of inconvenient facts was simply expunged from the 2001 IPCC report, much as Trotsky and Yezhov were removed from Stalin’s photographs by dark-room specialists in the later years of the dictator’s reign. There was no explanation of why both the medieval warm period and the little ice age, very clearly shown in the 1990 report, had simply disappeared eleven years later.

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William
May 21, 2011 6:26 am

In reply to:
“richard telford says:
May 21, 2011 at 5:08 am
And then the Medieval Warm Period, so embarrassing to climate scientists that you will never find any papers that mention it, unless you read some. It was more likely caused by a conflagration of straw men than CO2, so I doubt any palaeoclimate scientists will lose sleep over your observation that it was not CO2 driven. They are not foolish enough to think that all climate change has to be driven by the same forcing. The MWP demonstrates that the earth’s climate is sensitive to changes in forcing, and would caution rational folk that perhaps we shouldn’t twist the dials too far.”
Richard, the issue is the clear manipulation of the paleoclimatic record by the IPCC to hide the Medieval warm period and to smooth out the Little Ice age.
The Climate Gate emails showed there is a cabal of “Climate Scientists” that are overtly working to manipulate the climate data and to block scientific papers that do not support the extreme AGW position.
Current observations support the assertion that a doubling of atmospheric CO2 will result in warming of less than 1 C with most of the warming occurring at high latitudes which is beneficial for the biosphere.
Happer on The Truth About Greenhouse Gases
“The first IPCC report, issued in 1990, showed both the medieval warm period and the little ice age very clearly. In the IPCC’s 2001 report was a graph that purported to show the earth’s mean temperature since the year 1000. A yet more extreme version of the hockey stick graph made the cover of the Fiftieth Anniversary Report of the United Nation’s World Meteorological Organization. To the surprise of everyone who knew about the strong evidence for the little ice age and the medieval climate optimum, the graph showed a nearly constant temperature from the year 1000 until about 150 years ago, when the temperature began to rise abruptly like the blade of a hockey stick. The inference was that this was due to the anthropogenic “pollutant” CO2.”

May 21, 2011 6:27 am

richard telford says:
May 21, 2011 at 5:08 am
The MWP demonstrates that the earth’s climate is sensitive to changes in forcing, and would caution rational folk that perhaps we shouldn’t twist the dials too far.

Richard, the MWP demonstrates nothing of the sort. The MWP merely demonstrates that temperature fluctuations over the past century are not unusual compared to those observed in the millennial historical record.
Such observed temperature fluctuations do not require high climate sensitivity per se. They merely require forcings that are by themselves strong enough to move the global average temperature in the manner we have seen.
For example, take the recent spate of evidence supporting Svenmark’s hypothesis. These findings point to stronger natural forcings, making it less> likely that we have a sensitive climate.
In other words, the temperature swings by themselves are not indicative of high climate sensitivity.

Mike Bromley
May 21, 2011 6:30 am

Nicely done. Twice! Rapture. Maybe Mr. Telford should repost, just for balance sake! The salient points, that this is a Crusade in Charade’s Clothing, are amply demonstrated. Hockey sticks are for Canuckistan’s National Sport, not for disguising the Crusade’s climate (1090-1290). The UN has made a botch-job of many of its missions, and the IPCC should come as no surprise as one of its champion bonehead accomplishments. Its dissolution will be a service to mankind.
I applaud you, Dr. Happer. More voices of reason, please!

May 21, 2011 6:43 am

Dr. Happer is just as wrong as the climate alarmists, on the greenhouse effect. As I have also posted at “climaterealists”:
“Scientists critical of the alarmist climate “consensus” are now trying to present a common front on the science, with for example Prof. Claes Johnson today (5/21) referencing this article by William Happer on his own blog, even though Johnson does not accept a CO2 climate sensitivity of “about 1°C” for a doubling of atmospheric CO2, but less than 0.3°C. But there is a more fundamental difference among consensus critics, and that is whether there is a “greenhouse effect” at all, as claimed by the mass of scientists. Mr. Happer readily avows there is such an effect, but I (and supposedly Johnson, who has written a book against it, and others) know better. I encourage you to read the definitive evidence against it at
Venus: No Greenhouse Effect
The comparison of Venus/Earth atmospheric temperatures shows that Venus (with 96.5% atmospheric CO2) is not made any warmer than the Earth (with only 0.04% CO2) by its much greater concentration of CO2. The Venus atmosphere at a given pressure is 17% hotter than the Earth atmosphere at the same pressure level, over the entire range of Earth tropospheric pressures, and that is entirely, precisely, due to Venus being closer to the Sun. Their temperature versus pressure profiles, corrected for their different distances from the Sun, are essentially the same, although by current (Happer’s) thinking the Venus profile should be higher than the Earth’s by more than 11°C (96.5% is more than 11 “doublings” of 0.04%). There simply is no sign of a greenhouse effect at all. That is therefore an established physical fact, and it is the DEFINITIVE physical fact for science.
What is wrong with current science, that so many refuse to heed this definitive evidence? Because they are tied to a dogma that they will not question, and will not allow to be openly questioned: That the atmosphere can only be warmed from the ground, that the surface must first be warmed by the Sun and the atmosphere then warmed by the surface. But the Venus/Earth comparison indicates this common belief among scientists is simply wrong; as I have explained at the above link, both planetary atmospheres must be warmed by absorption of the same portion of the incident solar radiation, and that portion must be in the infrared. You don’t have to be a world-famous scientist to understand this. Incident heat from the Sun is taken up directly by the atmosphere and by the surface, independently of one another.
Scientists are right that absorption of infrared radiation heats the atmosphere, but the source of that heat is incident solar, not the surface. And adding more CO2 does not add more heat to the atmosphere, as the Venus/Earth comparison proves. There is enough infrared absorption, even with no CO2, to heat the atmosphere to the limit of its ability to hold the heat. The heat content of the atmosphere is a function only of its distance from the Sun and its density (which varies with its depth), and is constrained by the observed temperature lapse rate, as long recognized in the precise quantitative definition of the Standard Atmosphere. Venus’s surface temperature is far higher than Earth’s, because its atmosphere is far deeper, and far denser at the bottom, than Earth’s.
My simple comparison of the Venus/Earth temperatures is thus a revolutionary finding, and one that physicists and climate scientists like James Hansen, who has championed the “runaway” greenhouse effect from the very beginning of his career (and continues to make fearful, apocalyptic claims to the public about it), should have done long ago, and rejected the greenhouse effect then. (The Venus data was collected in late 1991). And scientists who reject the current climate consensus, but still claim the greenhouse effect is real, are not getting to the bad science at the heart of the controversy. There is NO greenhouse effect at all, as they believe they understand it. They understand a falsehood, and continue to mislead the world on the basic science of the atmosphere. That almost everyone still believes in the greenhouse effect, after so many years of study, and after the definitive Venus/Earth evidence against it, tells us the problem is one of runaway, religiously-held dogma, among scientists (of all people!), not runaway climate. “

old construction worker
May 21, 2011 6:59 am

richard telford says:
May 21, 2011 at 5:08 am
‘One might hope that a specialist in spectroscopy would have some more original input, since the interaction between matter and radiated energy is central to the greenhouse effect. I assume the lack of critique means that you are unable to find any flaws in the science.’
‘………radiated energy is central to the greenhouse effect. ‘
Would you buy stock in a Space Blanket Company? If not, why not?

Don K
May 21, 2011 6:59 am

I agree with almost everything. One exception – The maximum permissible level of CO2 should not be the level that healthy adults can tolerate with no obvious affect for a few months or years. It should be the level that can be tolerated continuously for the entire lifespan from infancy to old age by the most genetically unfortunate members of the human race. Or lower if there are non-human lifeforms that can’t tolerate CO2 as well as humans can. We don’t have the slightest idea what that level is. We really ought to find out.
It is claimed that some individuals show immediate symptoms — confusion, sleepiness — at levels of 10000 ppm of CO2. http://www.inspectapedia.com/hazmat/CO2gashaz.htm If that’s true, it’s a little hard to believe that 8000 or 5000 ppm continuous is “safe” for everyone. On the other hand it seems likely that there is considerable headroom above the current 370 ppm.
Personally, I think that we’re spending too much money on “climate science”. I’d like to see some (not all) of the money diverted into research on CO2 toxicity and other things that have more real urgency than dubious modeling of stuff we don’t understand well enough to model accurately.

Richard M
May 21, 2011 7:09 am

richard telford says:
May 21, 2011 at 5:08 am
One might hope that a specialist in spectroscopy would have some more original input, since the interaction between matter and radiated energy is central to the greenhouse effect. I assume the lack of critique means that you are unable to find any flaws in the science.

Well, this appeared to be a general thesis and the intended audience consists of people without a scientific background.
However, since you brought up “spectroscopy”, why do you and other alarmist scientists continue to ignore the cooling effect of GHGs? By my back of the envelope calculations the cooling effect should be about 1/2 the warming effect.
That means the often quoted 1.2C increase per doubling of CO2 is really about .6C. Interestingly, this matches the estimates of Spencer and Lindzen using other techniques.

May 21, 2011 7:19 am

Thanks William Happer, Anthony,
Very interesting, well-written article. Deserves wide exposure.

May 21, 2011 7:26 am

stephen richards says:
May 21, 2011 at 5:38 am
Telford, you can be such a bore.
This might be true Stephen Richards but these statements are, in the least, missleading:

The first IPCC report, issued in 1990, showed both the medieval warm period and the little ice age very clearly.

and

There was no explanation of why both the medieval warm period and the little ice age, very clearly shown in the 1990 report, had simply disappeared eleven years later.

The sketch graph in the 1st IPCC report that ‘shows clearly’ a global medieval climate optimum is not based on global evidence but on a graph based on evidence gathered by HH Lamb from Central England only. Other evidence does often suggest a generalisation to surrounding regions. However, whereas this optimum peaks in the the 12 century, other evidence from other proxies and from elsewhere around the globe gives peaks anywhere from the 9th to the 14th century.
A global Medieval Warm Period is no better supported by science in the First report, than the hockey stick is in the Third. Moreover, there are explanations in subsequent IPCC reports (at least in the SAR as I recall) for the disappearance of the MWP, which say that, in fact, the evidence does not suggest a unified global temperature peak at this time.
The existence of the little ice age and the medieval warm period was not well established by the FAR, and so it is we, ourselves, who should be careful to avoid any future embarrassment by supporting it for mere rhetorical reasons.
The IPCC 1st report graph:
http://enthusiasmscepticismscience.wordpress.com/global-temperature-graphs/1990-ipcc-first-report-working-gp-1-section-7-2-1/
Lamb’s original Central England graph:
http://enthusiasmscepticismscience.wordpress.com/global-temperature-graphs/1964_1966_britiansclimateinthepast-unpub-lecture-pub-inchangingclimate/

Charles Higley
May 21, 2011 7:31 am

Unfortunately, the author here has also fallen for some of the junk science.
“Before the industrial period, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere was 270 ppm.”
CO2 goes up and down and was never the consistently low level before industrialization as propounded by the IPCC. They created the 270 ppm value by cherry-picking the data. Ernst Beck, using 80,000 direct chemical readings, showed quite clearly that CO2 has been much higher than now during three periods of the last 200 years, 440-550 ppm even in the 1940s during which temperatures began to fall.
The IPCC chose the values they used as the available data was too “variable,” neglecting the fact that when put on a time line the values shows clear upward and downward trends. Of course, they “knew” that CO2 had been low as they had to show that it is unusually high now.

Scottish Sceptic
May 21, 2011 7:32 am

Please sign this petition: Repeal the UK’s Crazy Climate Change Act.

L Nettles
May 21, 2011 7:39 am

I dub this “the Epitaph of Global Warming Hysteria I predict that history will prove it.

Joel Shore
May 21, 2011 7:40 am

John Marshall says:

Prof Happer’s article is excellent and 95% correct. We disagree on the fact about the GHG theory which other physicists conclude does not happen due to thermodynamic law violations.

And, by the same token, it could be said in an article about the age of the earth that other geologists conclude that the Earth is only 6000 years old. The fact that you could find a few trained scientists who, for whatever reason, have decided to peddle pseudo-science doesn’t make it correct. The reason that people like Happer don’t embrace such nonsense is that they actually want to maintain a reasonable scientific reputation by not saying things that are scientifically ridiculous.

I disagree that the pre-industrial atmospheric CO2 content was 270 ppmv.

Again, this just shows what total nonsense you are willing to believe.

May 21, 2011 7:50 am

Best blog entry, ever, on the whole issue.

Latimer Alder
May 21, 2011 7:55 am

A global Medieval Warm Period is no better supported by science in the First report, than the hockey stick is in the Third.

Umm
But there is plenty of historical evidence that such a period existed. Written records and buried things and archaeology and stuff
Disregarding these just because it doesn’t suit your argument is no better than saying that Stonehenge doesn’t exist because we can’t find the original architect’s drawings. And probably about as useful as relying on a hokey hockey stick.

Anton
May 21, 2011 8:15 am

If the plants died off because of low CO2, wouldn’t the planet’s oxygen levels plummet or disappear altogether? And as human population increases, don’t we need a corresponding increase in CO2 to make plants more effective oxygen-producers? It seems to me that attempting to artificially lower and manipulate atmospheric CO2 levels could be far more damaging than anything predicted by the Warmists.

Pamela Gray
May 21, 2011 8:15 am

On a personal level, those that must breath tanked oxygen (Navy seals, etc), O2 toxicity is a far greater concern than CO2 toxicity. An increase in the concentration of oxygen can lead to convulsions and lung damage (and those that are O2 sensitive are kicked out of training schools toot sweet). No so with CO2.
Technical advances in dealing with too much O2 have been the main research endeavor regarding scuba gear. Hardly any attention has been paid dealing with CO2. Why? Relative changes in O2 lead to more toxic affects than relative changes in CO2.
Yet we still see oxygen bars and deep breathing gurus, heralding the benefits of ridding ourselves of CO2 and enriching our supply of oxygen in our bodies. Where does this silly notion come from? The idea of CO2 being a toxic waste gas goes back to the days of puritanical notions of evil human excrement. And is echoed in early versions of colon cleansing rituals practiced by vegan commune groups. The old aged hippie, now turned scientist, is likely imbued with this unconscious (or very conscious) bias, leading to all kinds of silly statements backed by silly science.

Henry Galt
May 21, 2011 8:17 am

Well said.
Telford trolls by, as early as he can in the thread, and doesn’t respond well to … anything.
We have to fight the crusade with their metrics so they cannot dismiss the entire argument on the basis of spelling mistakes (Telford’s loose, as opposed to lose, for example) and other trivial s(tuff)
berniel says:
May 21, 2011 at 7:26 am
Medieval Warm Period Record of the Week- http://www.co2science.org/data/mwp/mwpp.php

Kate
May 21, 2011 8:19 am

I am frightened when I read blog posts at other places that express deep anger against attempts to constrain the EPA. The coming presidential election will be impacted by this. How can we make this issue clear to the general public? And soon.
To Harry Dale – How can we build a clear message and then get it out there?
To Happer – What is the best way for scientists to get this message out before the fall of 2012? Can you reconcile Harry Dale’s conclusions?

Theo Goodwin
May 21, 2011 8:20 am

Bruce Cobb says:
May 21, 2011 at 4:21 am
“A well-reasoned, truthful expose of the climate crusade. As such, both it and Happer will be attacked viciously by the crusaders themselves, as befits their modus operandi. They just can’t handle the truth.”
As a professor at a liberal university, he is used to it. However, the personal mistreatment of the good professor is likely to increase because of this article.
Actually, the crusaders do not even compute truth. They cannot handle dissent. I am not exaggerating. The climate of PC is such that raising a topic can be as harmful to one’s health or career as taking a strong anti-PC position. The “Madness of Crowds” needs to be updated to include the madness of institutions though, come to think, Vaclav Havel in his plays has been doing that for a while. And we must give credit to Orwell for identifying Semantic Warfare before the communists had taken over entire institutions of Western civilization.

Will Gray
May 21, 2011 8:20 am

Years ago a thought bubble exploded. (Having read many popular climate blogs.) Society must flourish however the regressive element of back to eden greenies will need to be dealt with. Simple- let them use C02 as the evil gas- doomed to fail.
Case closed.
Now we can move on to an enormously positive future.
There got that one off my mind.
And just for the record Co2 does not and never will cause CAGW.
With this link i am waiting still for someone to REALLY take this guy on.
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/author/nasif-s-nahle/

Doug in Seattle
May 21, 2011 8:26 am

“A major problem has been the co-opting of climate science by politics, ambition, greed, and what seems to be a hereditary human need for a righteous cause. “.

Countering the first three might be easier if not the last. Since the 1960’s the “righteous cause” of environmentalism has led us down the path where we find ourselves. It has morphed beyond a cause and become one of the dominant religious movements of our time.

Will Gray
May 21, 2011 8:28 am

I read alot, 4% Co2/96 O2 is the mix to pump air down for minning. Safety standards go to 15% C02 for workers. WTF. Referances tomorrow.

Latitude
May 21, 2011 8:29 am

richard telford says:
May 21, 2011 at 5:08 am
The MWP demonstrates that the earth’s climate is sensitive to changes in forcing, and would caution rational folk that perhaps we shouldn’t twist the dials too far.
==============================================
Let’s assume you are correct, and there was a MWP.
Do you have any idea what caused it?
….because no one else does

Will Gray
May 21, 2011 8:38 am

Homes and bussiness environs, that have central heating, breath up to 1000 ppm.
Now do/have you lived/ worked in an environ with CH?
Co2 is an essential component of life, below 170 ppm nothing will grow.
The economic damage of CAGW is catastrophic and the really sad part is people believe C02 is EVIL.
More wind farms, how about lots more. Its insane.
http://www.jmt.org/assets/pdf/wind-report.pdf

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