Wonky Team Science

Josh from CartoonsbyJosh.com writes:

Like you I have been shocked by things written about this by alarmists – quite extraordinary. This cartoon comes from the daftness written here courtesy of Gav, Mike and Kev.

Be sure also to read this full rebuttal:

The folly of linking tornado outbreaks to “climate change”

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34 thoughts on “Wonky Team Science

  1. Josh:
    Like the outfits! I would suggest adding nametags to the boys, for non-climate-wonk user-friendliness.
    As always, thanks for drawing these!
    Cheers — Pete Tillman

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair

  2. Climate is not weather….
    ….yet they continue to make weather predictions
    And their predictions are wrong
    What’s amazing, is that it’s obvious to everyone that they can’t predict anything…
    …yet, they feel driven and compelled to keep making predictions
    The definition of insanity……………..

  3. All my life . . .
    It’s a Ghost . . . no it’s a Banchi . . .
    The Russians are comming . . .
    The Taxman is at the Door . . .
    It’s War my (wo)man, its WAR . . .
    If you don’t, you will go to hell . . .
    (S)he has to, or we will ALL go to hell . . .
    Give me a few moments . . . I’ll think of some more . . .

  4. (The definition of insanity……………..)
    The real problem is that the constant barrage of “could be” attribution, half truths, lies and general doom, no matter how wonky the science, (JoNova) seems to be working. And yes it’s a small study. No I don’t claim it represents PR “science” (or indeed anything) but if it were to scale up – be afraid, be very afraid.

  5. lol, so smart.
    The first and last problem with communism was always the cruel heartless bone head hippies running enforcing it, the same holds true for their hubris assault on enforcing climate and their policy for it.

  6. Good one, Josh! Keep it ready for the near future when they adamantly deny that weather events are evidence of climate. (Hmmm? That will be a challenge, won’t it? Showing priests talking out of both sides of their mouths, or some such thing. Good Imagining!)

  7. You say tornado, I say tornadoes were largely unheard of before man’s assault on the environment, raising CO2 levels to highs not seen in hundreds of thousands of years. /sarc

  8. loathe to use psychology terms, but the AGW alarmists really are passive-aggressive personality types. They use science as an avenue/outlet for its expression

  9. The upside down null
    Pervades the essence of life.
    You are Guilty. Die!
    H/t commenters of the Bish and Judy.
    ==============

  10. “The high priests – of a very low cult.”
    That is what I thought, culty science, not necessarily wonky.
    It is a pseudo-scientific cult. Instead of a deity or sense of community, pseudo-science cults obsess on a principle. For the Marxists, Ricardo’s Labor Theory of Value was the core explanation-for-everything. For the anthrowarmists, the cultic idea is Arhennius’ CO2 theory and mystical positive feedback. An even wackier subset of the religion of Anthrowarmism are the “350.org” people, which, I am not exaggerating, seems to be collecting some older “recovering Marxists” who cannot kick their control freak addictions and predilections. From one pseudo-science to another. Next, maybe they will flip and join Ayn Rand nuts.

  11. They always have an excuse. These government scientists have to be culled—they are doing harm during the off moments they are not doing anything.
    Other examples (this just in):
    CDC Links Salmonella Outbreak to Lab Work
    BY NEWS DESK | APR 29, 2011
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday that it is investigating a multistate outbreak of Salmonella Typhimurium infections. A preliminary analysis indicates the outbreak may be the result of exposure in clinical and teaching microbiology laboratories.
    As of April 20, the CDC said 73 individuals infected with the outbreak strain of Salmonella Typhimurium have been reported from 35 states. There has been one death and at least 10 people have been hospitalized. Several of those sickened are children who live with someone who works or studies in a microbiology lab.

    Then they search for the food processors to punish—the ones who have served these sloppy microbiologists at their salad bars…
    I guess we remember the recent reports that show tagging of endangered species makes them less fit to reproduce, and reduces survival chances.
    Moral? There are a lot of bad scientists out there making us scientists trained in the classical scientific method really look bad.
    Solution? Defund the bulk of government scientists, and deeply reduce grant monies.

  12. Jake says:
    April 30, 2011 at 1:53 pm
    “An even wackier subset of the religion of Anthrowarmism are the “350.org” people, which, I am not exaggerating, seems to be collecting some older “recovering Marxists” who cannot kick their control freak addictions and predilections. From one pseudo-science to another.”
    That is exactly what happened with the German Greens. Their top people (Fischer, Trittin, Kretschmann) are all “recovering Marxists”.

  13. DirkH says:
    April 30, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    “That is exactly what happened with the German Greens. Their top people (Fischer, Trittin, Kretschmann) are all “recovering Marxists”.”
    ROTFLMAO! Yeah, there are “recovering Marxists” the same way there are “recovering crack addicts” who are still on the street. (Oh, by the way, every person in the leadership of the Green Party is a chain smoker. Well, at least in 2000 they were.)

  14. Latitude says:
    April 30, 2011 at 11:09 am
    Climate is not weather….
    ….yet they continue to make weather predictions
    And their predictions are wrong

    Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
    The models are just plain wrong.
    If you sell when the market drops, you lose your shirt.
    These climate-model based weather predictions are costing them thier credibility.
    They are also wasting huge sums of tax money.

  15. DirkH: I don’t see where the 350.org people are recovering from being Marxists at all. Most of them are proud Marxist.

  16. Who are all the ‘scientists’ who make up “the team?”
    I know Hansen, Schmidt, Trenberth are part of the team. Anybody know who the rest of them are?

  17. kramer says:
    April 30, 2011 at 3:34 pm
    Who are all the ‘scientists’ who make up “the team?”
    I know Hansen, Schmidt, Trenberth are part of the team. Anybody know who the rest of them are?

    Ask Mann. They named themselves.

  18. kramer says on April 30, 2011 at 3:34 pm:
    Who are all the ‘scientists’ who make up “the team?”
    I know Hansen, Schmidt, Trenberth are part of the team. Anybody know who the rest of them are?
    From Canada, Andrew Weaver at U Vic in BC

  19. Envy is combined with envy avoidance in hipsters and hippies and it is strongly projected out onto Western society as well so anything which represents an advance over savagery is scorned. The Edison light bulb is hated from a very deep and deeply disturbed level of the cultist’s psyche, often hidden from their own self-image of a caring and passionate person who wants to save polar bears from smokestacks. Taking away their demons (corporations, meaning groups of people free to cooperate together to create things of value) would take away their angelic self-image. That a whole generation or two of mankind haters lobbed onto a junk science claim as their entire argument is the most delightful development in the age old war between envy and enlightenment in ages!
    I notice huge numbers of technically astute runaway water vapor feedback enthusiasts desperately trying to keep more casual believers corralled
    into the calm arms of propoganda (“climate porn”) sites, online. But they lack even a hint of Feynman inspired outlook on the nature of science as an endeavor in which there is a heroic attempt not to support but to falsify any and all important theories.
    They can barely contain their urge to scream out against an unfair world in which some are rewarded for having highly resourceful talent. This blind rage leaks out on news site flame wars and bunkered up snicker fests within various cult member blogs. It took me about three years of intense study to check and recheck enough alarming claims to finally admit to myself, “OH MY GOD, it’s a scam!” Yet I now see it as even more as also being perfect toxic bait for exposing a movement to the light of day that cannot survive with the lights turned on, namely the attempt to denigrate talent in all it’s forms, to try to just stop progress and reduce the world’s population through energy and food rationing, and to create an unworkable world of high tech rural communes. It’s the age old problem of fanatical utopian idealists inadvertently (one would hope) steering various countries towards fascism. Those who would ban Edison bulbs instead of just tax them to support energy research are fanatical and tyrannical people, not harmless tree huggers.
    All it will take is a generation of indoctinated kids to rebel against their no-longer-cool (since it’s not getting very hot out after all) fanaticism to create a huge swing in Western civilization through the effect of guilt by association. The left side of politics is in deep trouble in the decades ahead all thanks to a tiny group of formerly obscure GIGO computer modelers and paleoclimatologists, who were successfully confronted and shamed by a similarly small group of independent bloggers.
    I’m still quite confused and confounded about how hard it is to reason with members of this nature cult. Their nasty attitude rubs off on me on forums. And yet it’s sort of amusing to see them rationalize that there is a big skeptical conspiracy akin to denial of the carcinogenicity of tobacco smoke, back in the day. They are losing the public level debate since they keep compulsively and defensively resorting to the tired and clearly incorrect to any lay student of global warming issues idea that skeptics can be stereotyped along with UFOs and tobacco company CEOs of the ’70s. Their character is so lacking in emotional intelligence that they can’t see the huge variety of eccentric individuals on the blogroll here for what it is not: an oil industry run operation somehow magically combined with rabidly frothing lunacy, some of which I got a flavor of in a birther forum or two populated mostly by hotheads. That is what I also find in the discussion threads of alarmist blogs, in fact! Ah, they are projecting their own onto us. Fanatics fanatically labeling others fanatics. Humor is indeed one of the best disinfectants when dealing with serious fools.
    …just thinking out loud…figuring out psychology as I go…
    A great book by the way is simply titled ‘Envy’ and it presents a natural history of it going back to primitive times. It explains why it took so long for society to advance: naked farmers kept killing inventors and other “unfairly lucky” recipients of random good fortune too, originally based on pagen fear and hatred of spirits that controlled events.

  20. What have they got to lose?
    They’ve got to hold their line or they lose everything now, and they know it.
    As long as governments of the world give them money to keep saying what they are saying there will be no end.
    They feed off each other using our taxes.

  21. NikFromNYC says:
    April 30, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    “….All it will take is a generation of indoctrinated kids to rebel against their no-longer-cool (since it’s not getting very hot out after all) fanaticism to create a huge swing in Western civilization…”
    Thank you for thinking out loud. Reasoning alike, my understanding is that on the short term the voice of reason will come from developing countries and eastern Europe, on a long term for western Europe it will need a generation change.
    I remember in one of the previous century mails(?) when the scam was started there was some rationing like: “if we are wrong with the theory we still do the right thing pushing for renewables” that it ceased to be a theory.

  22. Sorry, but I don’t see these guys as priests, high or low. Their “sky is falling” mentality is more in tune with a new remake of the three stooges. I can’t imagine all the ways they see “human-induced warming” in every day things. Reminds me of the decade of seeing Jesus in a potato chip.

  23. NikFromNYC says:
    April 30, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    “The Edison light bulb is hated from a very deep and deeply disturbed level of the cultist’s psyche, … Those who would ban Edison bulbs instead of just tax them …”
    Edison bulbs? Really? They’re in a panic about carbon filament bulbs now?
    No, I think if you’re concerned about “naked farmers killing the inventors,” you should recognise that the bulbs of which you speak are actually the work of the original Nik of NYC, Nikola Tesla.
    Sorry, I couldn’t let it ride. It’s in my psyche.

  24. Over the last 6 decades, I’ve developed a hypothesis that, where a trade or profession can be employed in either the public or private sector, the less able tend to gravitate to the public sector. This applies equally to blue collar and white labcoat workers, and in spades to the inky-fingered professions. The unstinting efforts of Minx the Merciless in exposing the IPCC as the epitome of a corrupt body revelling in it’s mediocrity, and the constant exposure of ineptitude and ingenuousness of cAGW advocacy practitioners by reputable scientists in this and other publications, leads me to believe I may have a point.

  25. @Jake
    “Instead of a deity or sense of community, pseudo-science cults obsess on a principle.”
    When we talk about the typical low-level alarmists, the one they worship is the all-knowing, all-loving, kind, gentle, fatherly entity, who just wants what is best or you. But he cannot help you until you and everyone else believe in him.
    Who is this entity? It’s the Scientific Concensus. As bizarre as it may sound, they believe in and worship what they believe to be the scientific unanimity of all the scientists in the world. Worshiping an imaginary opinion of a group of anonymous people as a deity is just about as weird as it gets.

  26. RE NikFromNYC
    “The Edison light bulb is hated from a very deep and deeply disturbed level of the cultist’s psyche”
    Certainly the simple Edison bulb was a main target of Greenpeace activism in Europe,
    and on their website they credit themselves for bringing about the ban
    In Australia too saving emissions was the main driving force
    (in the US it seems saving energy rather than CO2 emissions is the focus
    of all the energy efficiency regulations being imposed, from light bulbs to TV sets to washing machines)
    The irony, of course, is that light bulbs don’t burn coal, and don’t release any CO2 gas.
    If there’s a problem – deal with the problem.
    It’s not true that all supply-based initiatives need be low or costly,
    and in any case the energy effciciency based bans are quoted in terms of 20 to 30 year savings, when more such alternatives are viable
    http://ceolas.net/#cc2401x
    Besides, as Nik says, the bulbs etc could be taxed anyway – and could cross-finance
    today’s more expensive energy saving alternatives, equilibrating the market.
    Both bans and taxes are however wrong compared to free market product competition, dealing directly with any energy supply and emission issues.

  27. And finally . . . I will not be done talking . . . until you agree . . . so please, do not interrupt while I am talking!!!

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