Larry Bell creates a disturbance in the force

The full article from Forbes here is quite interesting to read, but the comments are even more interesting. I particularly got a chuckle out of Bell’s rebuttal to serial regurgitator Tenny Naumer, who unfailingly reposts most anything that agrees with her worldview from CP on her website and does so without question and mostly without comment. This one from Tenny had me ROFL:

Tell them how the explorers trying to go through the Northwest Passage took 3 years to do so in the olden days, not a matter of days like they do now.

Its motors Tenny, motors trumps sails. Oh, and icebreakers. And precise maps, and GPS…and…oh never mind. As an example, here’s one Northeast Passage story that took days (thanks to nuclear powered icebreakers) Tenny never reposted if she read it:

The surprising real story about this year’s Northeast passage transit: The media botched it

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rbateman
April 28, 2011 7:56 pm

Jim G says:
April 28, 2011 at 9:35 am
The Greens have lots of practice from years of getting injunctions stopping all salvage logging and endangering replanting of burned forests. They have graduated.
Now they are after all forms of energy that they don’t approve of.
There are even stirrings of them targeting agriculture itself.

Al Gore's Holy Hologram
April 28, 2011 11:51 pm

An idiot with a religion is a bigger idiot

Dirk
April 29, 2011 8:39 am

it’s an echo chamber in here.

Brian
April 29, 2011 8:43 am

exxon is loving this comment thread

Dale
April 29, 2011 8:55 am

You guys are crazy. I kinda like Al Gore. You like to pretend like he’s some sort of cult leader, but he really just felt strongly about an issue facing the world we live on and it resonated with people all over. There were environmentally conscious people before Al Gore presented ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ too.
Now tare my comment to shreds! I know you can’t resist. And you have nothing else to do anyways.

John
April 29, 2011 5:09 pm

The irony of the these pieces and discussions are so typical and based on the lack of real transparent information and/or consensus, with a splattering of self denial.
Lets face facts industrialisation has both positive and negtive impacts, costs, implications and consequences, which both the corporations and consumers don’t want to accept or face up to unless our lives, profit or families are directly or personally effected by it..or unless there’s additional profit to be made from it. I love all this finger pointing madness, cos it shows how far the truth is from us and how delluded we are, about some of the key fundimental realities of life. To say we are not influencing, polluting or changing either our environment or the climate with the toxic waste and junk we create and dump …is worrying, but not surprising as we are living in denial about so many things around us these days. Which technology can’t help because like governments, corporations and all institutions science is also corporate machine of division too. My suggestion is stop reading, open you mind, go do your own field research and see for yourself. You might surprise yourselves just how f%*ed things really are.

H.R.
April 30, 2011 5:16 am

Dale says:
April 29, 2011 at 8:55 am
“Now tare (sic) my comment to shreds!”
I would “tare” it but there’s no weight to it.

H.R.
April 30, 2011 6:12 am

says:
April 29, 2011 at 5:09 pm
“[…] To say we are not influencing, polluting or changing either our environment or the climate with the toxic waste and junk we create and dump …is worrying, […]”
Yeah, but… CO2 isn’t a toxic waste. It’s plant food. Put down the Diet Coke and think about it.
Meanwhile, industrial toxic waste in the U.S. is handled very well nowadays and reduction and containment of toxic waste in the U.S. is continually improving. You might want to go discuss toxic waste with China. They’re not doing very well in that department at the moment.
And state-mandated use of toxic materials to replace rather benign materials (I’m talking CFLs replacing incandescents here) which will then generate a toxic waste stream seems to be a topic you should be discussing with your congress-critter.
Toxic waste = bad.
CO2 = plant food (and livens up beverages).

Christopher J. Shaker
April 30, 2011 5:36 pm

If Al Gore really believed the things he says, would he be living like he does?
ABC News found Al Gore’s power bill has been around $30,000 (yes, thirty thousand!) a year. How do you even spend that much money on power?
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=5072659
“(2/27/07 – NASHVILLE, TN) — Back home in Tennessee, safely ensconced in his suburban Nashville home, Vice President Al Gore is no doubt basking in the Oscar awarded to “An Inconvenient Truth,” the documentary he inspired and in which he starred. But a local free-market think tank is trying to make that very home emblematic of what it deems Gore’s environmental hypocrisy.
Armed with Gore’s utility bills for the last two years, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research charged Monday that the gas and electric bills for the former vice president’s 20-room home and pool house devoured nearly 221,000 kilowatt-hours in 2006, more than 20 times the national average of 10,656 kilowatt-hours.
“If this were any other person with $30,000-a-year in utility bills, I wouldn’t care,” says the Center’s 27-year-old president, Drew Johnson. “But he tells other people how to live and he’s not following his own rules.” ”
Look up Al Gore and Occidental Petroleum on Corpwatch.org
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=468Al Gore: The Other Oil Candidate
“Gore recommended that the Elk Hills be sold as part of his 1995 “Reinventing Government” National Performance Review program. Gore-confidant (and former campaign manager) Tony Coelho served on the board of directors of the private company hired to assess the sale’s environmental consequences. The sale was a windfall for Oxy. Within weeks of the announced purchase Occidental stock rose ten percent.
That was good news for Gore. Despite controversy over Dick Cheney’s plans to keep stock options if elected, most Americans don’t know that we already have a vice president with oil company stocks. Before the Elk Hills sale, Al Gore controlled between $250,000-$500,000 of Occidental stock (he is executor of a trust that he says goes only to his mother, but will revert to him upon her death). After the sale, Gore began disclosing between $500,000 and $1 million of his significantly more valuable stock.
Nowhere is Al Gore’s environmental hypocrisy more glaring than when it comes to his relationship with Occidental. While on the one hand talking tough about his “big oil” opponents and waxing poetic about indigenous peoples in his 1992 book “Earth in the Balance,” the Elk Hills sale and other deals show that money has always been more important to Al Gore than ideals.”
Gore isn’t quite as green as he’s led the world to believe
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
“For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film’s distributor, pays this.)
Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.
Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents.
But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When contacted Wednesday, Gore’s office confirmed as much but said the Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about inconvenient truths.
Gore is not alone. Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has said, “Global warming is happening, and it threatens our very existence.” The DNC website applauds the fact that Gore has “tried to move people to act.” Yet, astoundingly, Gore’s persuasive powers have failed to convince his own party: The DNC has not signed up to pay an additional two pennies a kilowatt hour to go green. For that matter, neither has the Republican National Committee.
Maybe our very existence isn’t threatened.
Gore has held these apocalyptic views about the environment for some time. So why, then, didn’t Gore dump his family’s large stock holdings in Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum? As executor of his family’s trust, over the years Gore has controlled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Oxy stock. Oxy has been mired in controversy over oil drilling in ecologically sensitive areas.
Living carbon-neutral apparently doesn’t mean living oil-stock free. Nor does it necessarily mean giving up a mining royalty either.
Humanity might be “sitting on a ticking time bomb,” but Gore’s home in Carthage is sitting on a zinc mine. Gore receives $20,000 a year in royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his property. Tennessee has cited the company for adding large quantities of barium, iron and zinc to the nearby Caney Fork River.
The issue here is not simply Gore’s hypocrisy; it’s a question of credibility. If he genuinely believes the apocalyptic vision he has put forth and calls for radical changes in the way other people live, why hasn’t he made any radical change in his life? Giving up the zinc mine or one of his homes is not asking much, given that he wants the rest of us to radically change our lives.”
Chris Shaker

May 13, 2011 7:34 pm

And I thought I was the sensible one. Thanks for setting me straight.

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