The full article from Forbes here is quite interesting to read, but the comments are even more interesting. I particularly got a chuckle out of Bell’s rebuttal to serial regurgitator Tenny Naumer, who unfailingly reposts most anything that agrees with her worldview from CP on her website and does so without question and mostly without comment. This one from Tenny had me ROFL:
Tell them how the explorers trying to go through the Northwest Passage took 3 years to do so in the olden days, not a matter of days like they do now.
Its motors Tenny, motors trumps sails. Oh, and icebreakers. And precise maps, and GPS…and…oh never mind. As an example, here’s one Northeast Passage story that took days (thanks to nuclear powered icebreakers) Tenny never reposted if she read it:
The surprising real story about this year’s Northeast passage transit: The media botched it
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All absolute statements are incorrect, including this one. Therefore, I believe you are in error, as most beliefs have some form of foundation.
Better to say: Many beliefs, especially of a spiritual nature, are untestable by the scientific method.
Of course, that lacks the impact of an absolute statement. It does, nevertheless, have one virtue that absolutism lacks: it is correct.
Ten Commandments of the Greenoverlord.
1. Thou shall have not other Greenoverlord than Earth First.
2. Thou shall not make your self able to use Mother Earth to live.
3. Thou shall not take my name unless its for a grant or other thing of value.
4. Remember Earth First Day and keep it free from oil and gas.
5. Honor Mother Earth only now and forever.
6. Thou shall not use oil and gas to cause CO2 which is murder.
7. Thou shall use incest to promote the Greenoverlord cult.
8. Thou shall not allow others to steal your e-mails.
9. Thou shall only bear false witness for grants or other things of value.
10. Thou shall never use facts and you will bear false witness against deniers.
So, speak the forked minds of the Greenoverlord Cult.
An interesting article, but the comments seemed to be merely a screed on who can yell loudest, not best. Tenny would be funny except for the fact the joke is so old, but then most know that by now. Still, a thank you for the link to the older article. I had not read that before, but it is amusing and does support one theory of mine – about the Mainstream media.
This link that shows the “hockey stick” still lives is actually about the premature release of BEST data from Dr Muller.
I think he may yet regret having said anything. Or maybe not…
I just loved one of the many rants by ‘tenneynaumer’ in the actual Forbes article (she really has an issue with left/right, warmist/denialist, Google/Koch, etc):
Oh my, I always knew some of the alarmists weren’t the brightest bulbs in the pack, but really????? …… yes a shining example of the typical alarmist. Olden days….. oh my……….
ew-3 says:
April 28, 2011 at 8:43 am
Sorry, I find people like Tenny much too frightening to be laughable.
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The mismanagement problem grows when people with little understanding and skill acquire power. Government is filled with people like that. Their world is all about regulations, revenue, and power. The Judicial branch is little better with a legal construct that self-consistent and logical, but progressively out of touch with real world constraints.
Consequently, it is important to limit the size of government and its intrusiveness. It should not complete with the people. The private sector makes individual decisions based on countless experiences and unique analyses, collectively taking into consideration the complexity of our economy and other factors. It is bound together with money transactions. No central planning apparatus can possibly perform better. Parallel processing units, like the human brain, can accomplish far more than linear programming. A free private sector with real competition can do better than government.
Collectivists fear individuals. Individuals are seemingly disconnected from society and might do anything. Well, that’s called freedom. Collectivists want people to do things that the group decides is acceptable. That is a soviet (council) model of society. When you hear governments advocate local council review of businesses, television programming, or radio shows, your alarm bells should ring. This approach sounds reasonable to the uninformed. However, soviet democracy is very restrictive and oppressive.
Imagine a world where you must wear beige or gray to avoid offending someone or making them feel inferior. You must do a job that helps society best (defined by the council). Be sure to keep your religion to yourself. You must only eat foods that minimize the healthcare costs carried by the government. This is the direction we are heading, and it will get worse as the economy collapses. We will all have to do our part. Right. Government is making this happen.
Free people could solve their own economic problems. However, too many elitist individuals and corporations are making money from government regulatory impacts on the economy. We are paying for all of this.
The part I can’t figure out is, don’t they realize they are killing the golden goose? By killing the middle class, they are dooming the world to an 18th century level of technology, if that. Only a well educated middle class can maintain a high-tech world. If we stay on this track, we are looking at a population of less than 1 billion people and a feudal society.
Greens are seriously dangerous. They have no business being in charge of anything. However, Prince Charles is the tell. I am not convinced he actually believes in green anything. He does believe in money from carbon credits. Same with his buddy Al. Prince Albert of Tennesee?
On the other hand, suicidal greens don’t run the whole world, fortunately. China’s involvement in green tech is just another way to siphon money from the west. I don’t think China is going to stay the way it is now. There will be more freedom there given another 20 years. That is because of the fierce competitive spirit of chinese people. They will not be held down forever. One more generation should do the trick.
China’s government can’t really control everything, but it can set a direction. Anyone who threatens the growth of the nation has a short half-life. On the other hand, even if you are doing something technically illegal, if it is good for China, you might be allowed to continue.
We need some sort of national goals and let the people figure out how to get there. We need to get government out of the way. One goal should be 100% energy independence.
The real passage or the metaphorical one? Both surprisingly difficult to navigate!
How then am I so different from the first men through this way?
Like them, I left a settled life, I threw it all away.
To seek a Northwest Passage at the call of many men
To find there but the road back home again.
Oh, for just one time I would take the Northwest Passage,
To find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea;
Tracing one warm line through a land so wild and savage
And make a Northwest Passage to the sea.
Hoser says:
April 28, 2011 at 10:40 am
Very well said. I hope you don’t mind if I share your words with others?
All absolute statements are incorrect, including this one. Therefore, I believe you are in error, as most beliefs have some form of foundation.
Better to say: Many beliefs, especially of a spiritual nature, are untestable by the scientific method.
Not strictly true. Belief requires no foundation merely a feeling of being correct. Absolute facts like absolute zero are absolute. So NO absolutes is also absolute wrong.
send them all to mars for a holiday 2nd class
And I thought “Fallen Angles” was just a fun work of fiction …. scary.
tango
April 28, 2011 at 11:43 am
send them all to mars for a holiday 2nd class
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Nah, Steerage. Tell them its the Gaia approved way to travel.
re: Chris y’s comments and link:
I’m fascinated by the growing number of psychologists and sociologists who are eager to trot out psychological explanations (while relying on their professional credentials) in an attempt to discredit AGW skeptics. It never seems to occur to these people that, (i) understanding a complex of phenomena like climate might not be entirely straightforward, especially when one must basically rely on uncontrolled observations, (ii) the repeated demonstration of overblown claims and dodgy methodologies might indicate at least some bias among people making claims for AGW. It would be worth checking out the credentials of some of these people in terms of actual experience in a field of experimental science. (I’m sure that in the case of the sociologists clambering on board this train there is none.)
I can’t help thinking that the self-annointed complex is also at work here; perhaps this is one reason why they’re jumping to the defense of their fellows-in-arms. (But of course now I’m psychologizing, too. Which makes this whole situation even more interesting for real students of nature.)
“peterhodges says:
April 28, 2011 at 9:27 am
Mark Gibbas says:
April 28, 2011 at 8:58 am
Unfounded belief is a common facet of …..
ALL beliefs are unfounded!”
Faith and belief are as much a part of science as religion and have no bearing on truth.
I suppose you agree with the theory of relativity. Even if you don’t, let’s use it as an example.
There are very many facts that support the theory of relativity but if you haven’t performed experiments to prove it and at the very least understand all the math and have reviewed all of Einstein’s calculations yourself, you can only assert a belief in relativity, not proof of it.
We stand on the shoulders of giants and build on their work in the BELIEF that they are correct. Just because your work seems to be correct, the assumptions you used to get there are not necessarily correct.
Darkinbad the Brightdayler says: …
Perhaps you should give credit for “Northwest Passage” to the author — the late Stan Rogers. Here’s a U-tube link to Rogers singing the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVY8LoM47xI
It’s a really terrific song.
I’m not sure that your TLP makes it clear what Chricton was talking about.
At the same time I find it more and more difficult to find his “Environmentalism as a Religion” piece anywhere on the net – even more worrying if you ask me.
But then again any sensible person will have kept a copy of his work locally …
Lady Life Grows says:
April 28, 2011 at 9:48 am
“Rocky Road posted an accurate definition of cult–it is a pejorative for religion, like “the N-word” is a pejorative for blacks. I find it offensive that people pretend there is something wrong with being black, and I find it offensive that people find something wrong with religions. The cult word offends me greatly and I do not even believe in God.”
There is at least one definitive difference between a religion and a cult IMHO; and that is that a cult controls the communication of its members and shields them from outside information to shape their thinking into the desired direction.
Compare to the Australian ABC or BBC; where voices opposing the AGW consensus are simply not reported and AGW is not treated anymore as a scientific hypothesis but as fact. Let alone the Deutsche Welle or any other German broadcaster.
Good find. Thank you.
Re Betapug’s helpful reference to the Globe and Mail review of Flannery’s latest (written by Alanna Mitchell), I was reminded of that old put-down, “Bring up another waggon, Joe. This one’s full.” I know Mitchell from an earlier book that she wrote on the supposed coming death of the oceans through acidification and from a description of her trip to “Antarctica” that proved to be a tour that anyone can make on a commercial basis. And…..her trip, which she passed off as an insight into the future of Antarctica, didn’t take her even half-way along the Antarctic Peninsula.
My impression is that she is shameless.
IanM
Always compate what people say they want to what they do.
What poeple do is what they want. If what they do doesn’t lead to what they want? They’re demonstrating they’re willingness to compromise their desires.
The green movement has cost the west some of it’s productivity, jobs and ability to produce life saving wealth and technology. This is obvious to anyone paying any amount of attention to anything going on over the last 30-40 years.
What the green movement, therefore, wants is to stiffle western style development and progress. Why would the green movement do what it does if this wasn’t the case?
Oh I forgot, it’s become a religon.
Lady Life Grows says:
April 28, 2011 at 9:48 am
There is nothing wrong with being black. That being said, may we eliminate the “N-word” by eliminating racism and focusing on character as Dr. King so elequently said:
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
There is also nothing wrong with religion. That being said, may we also eliminate the perjorative “Cult” I’ve applied to climate science by treating it as a science and not by making a religion of it, for it automatically becomes a cult when it is devoid of truth.
Anyone who doubts that environmentalism, at least as represented by AGW, is the new religion has only to read the introduction to An Inconvenient Truth. Let me quote:
‘The climate crisis also offers us the chance to experience what very few generations in history have had the privilege of knowing: a generational mission; the exhilaration of a compelling moral purpose; a shared and unifying cause; the opportunity to rise.
When we do rise, it will fill our spirits and bind us together. Those who are now suffering in cynicism and despair will be able to breathe freely. Those who are now suffering from a loss of meaning in their lives will find hope.
When we rise, we will experience an epiphany as we discover that this crisis is not really about politics at all. It is a moral and spiritual challenge.’
And so on, and so on! Gore is the quintessential American evangelist! All he lacks is a Sunday television show and a sex scandal!
In my view Al Gore’s real aim is about getting rich quick via his carbon investments.
Now he has pushed back his prediction in the face of the evidence. He will continue pushing back his failed predictjons until he gets it just Goldilocks style!
I could rant on about Al Gore but I’ll leave it here for now.
I went to the Forbes article, and engaged in a series of comments with tennynaumer and renewableguy. What I found was typical AGW talking points, and no command of facts.
The renewableguy had his underwear in a twist over the Koch brothers, which I will never understand. What the heck have the Koch brothers ever had to do with anything related to climate?
The real sad sack is tennynaumer. She is conversant with last year’s AGW talking points. Otherwise, she is poorly informed. Her strategy seems to be to snipe continually at the article’s author until he gets tired of dealing with strident comments saying the same thing, over, and over, and over.
The sad part is that she doesn’t realize just how far out in the weeds her thinking really is with conspiracy theories, bad science, and a religious dedication to the AGW meme.
Whenever you folks get wind of a good fight like this, cruise on over and engage. It is fun.