Usually I have “Quote of the week, but in this case, the silence says far more than any words the Goreacle might utter.
At least somebody outside of the blogosphere noticed.
From masslive.com where they say:
“Snows of Kilimanjaro defy global warming predictions”
Representatives for Al Gore declined to comment on this article.
Could Al Gore look any dumber over this?
Read the full article here, give the journalist some props.
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See also this story Kilimanjaro regaining its snow cap where commenter SonicFrog says:
Anthony… Here is a better article to link to on the subject. And isn’t this a most damning quote?
“Unfortunately, we made the prediction. I wish we hadn’t,” says Douglas R. Hardy, a UMass geoscientist who was among 11 co-authors of the paper in the journal Science that sparked the pessimistic Kilimanjaro forecast. “None of us had much history working on that mountain, and we didn’t understand a lot of the complicated processes on the peak like we do now.”
WHAT?????
“None of us had much history working on that mountain, and we didn’t understand a lot of the complicated processes on the peak like we do now.”
So WHAT THE HELL were you doing publishing and supporting this AS IF IT WAS CERTAIN?????
I wonder if anyone will demand a retraction from Thompson and Hardy?
Yes, I wonder.
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So this paper was peer reviewed.Global wamers continually promote the peer review process for validating their papers on global warming. As we can see peer review is not perfect.
But global warmers will find a way to rationalize this.
Dan Inesanto says:
March 21, 2011 at 11:08 am
I’m not so sure this article is quite the dramatically damning piece it seems to be made out to be. The article is saying the original claims were overstated, not that they were completely wrong
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Dan just make every other word – could, might, may, woulda, shoulda, coulda…
….then throw in the 50% chance of….
And you have a climate science paper………that, of course, does not overstate any thing.
When I explained to my Mother, that the alarmists were now saying that Global warming causes the cooling and extra snow, she burst out laughing.
@R.S.Brown & the moderators:
I believe you mean Kilimanjaro in Tunisia, right. Not Mt. Fuji in Japan. I doubt deforestation of Mt. Fuji has anything to do with the loss of its glacier, although I could be wrong on that.
Good grief!
It’s worse than I thought!
/Mr Lynn
Doesn’t anyone care that mosquitos are dying up there?
This example is wonderful. The guy predicted that the glacier would melt away soon, maybe by 2020. He regrets his prediction. He explains his false prediction by saying that he did not know enough about the mountain when he made the prediction. So, on what basis did he make the prediction? He does not say. For Warmista, false predictions never require false hypotheses or false beliefs of any kind. That is their smug way of implying that they were not really wrong.
I can tell you why he predicted the melting. Because he is a Warmista and, like all Warmista, he believes that temperatures are going to rise steadily for decades and, therefore, anything that is melting will melt faster. That is his real belief. It is just that obsessive belief in warming. It is based in no real science at all. It is religion.
He says now that the glacier will melt in a few decades. Note that he does not say why he believes that it will melt in a few decades. Typical Warmista. If he gave an explanation that was up to scientific standards, in a few decades he would have to admit that his explanation had been falsified. So, typical Warmista, he just makes the vague claim that melting will occur. And just like his last prediction, his reason for making it is nothing more than an obsessive belief that warming will continue and will get the glacier eventually.
This is absolutely typical of Warmista. Real scientists are more interested in their explanations for predictions than in the predictions. Warmista clearly avoid talking about explanations for predictions.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Warmista Climate Science is nothing but hand waving. It is totally empty. You cannot get these people to talk about their scientific hypotheses and that is because they have none. Empty, empty, empty. All hand waving and nothing else.
The claims of doom for the glacier succeeded in getting a lot of Hollywood Stars to trek up the mountain and visit the poor, dying glacier. Sort of a wake for a glacier, I guess. Nothing more moving than watching a glacier’s last gasp. No doubt the Stars gave big bucks to somebody.
Lots of great comments, observations and facts from every one.
But I have to give Jit the super prize for his brilliant time line:
Jit says:
March 21, 2011 at 11:57 am
Forest + Time = Glacier
Forest + People = Desert
Desert + Time = No glacier + No people
No people + Time = Scrub
Scrub + No people + Time = Forest
Forest + Time = Glacier
This truly says it all, Jit deserves a huge grant from Obama, and he has saved us trillions of dollars in research. This is the plain English equivalent of Einstein’s theory of relativity!
Thanks Jit for making today extra memorable.
What’s sad is that the people at the bottom of that glacier could one day run out of water.
Jim Barkers mother for President!
Jeremy said: What is a “Geoscientist” ??
If you are serious, I’ll answer the question. A scientist is a scientist specializing in one or more of the geology-related sciences: geology (petroleum, mining, structural, etc.,) geophysics, geochemistry, paleontology, paleobotany, hydrology, oceanography, geomorphology, vulcanology, meteorology, sedimentology, petrology, and a few others. Even planetary “geologists” are considered to be geoscientists. Atmospheric scientists used to be geoscientists but have been disowned by the geo-fraternity and most geo-sororities.
http://www.agiweb.org/workforce/brochure.html
Read the full article here, give the journalist some props.
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/snows_of_kilimanjaro_defy_global_warming_predictions.html
That link is not working for me, FYI.
peace
Bad scientists have to accept cupability for their bad science. BUT, it it is peer reviewed, the reviewers have to accept a greater level of culpability, because it was their job to critique the work.
“None of us had much history working on that mountain, and we didn’t understand a lot of the complicated processes on the peak like we imagine we do now.”
Dave Worley says: “Doesn’t anyone care that mosquitos are dying up there?”
Oh, the hematology!
You can put a lab coat on a horse’s ass but underneath it’s still a horse’s ass. AGW boffins are just like that. Mother nature is removing their lab coats and exposing them for what they are. It was bound to happen. Is it boorish to laugh at them?
AGW boffins broke the cardinal rule of pseudo-science – do not make predictions of the near future. Instead create narratives to explain both the distant and recent past and only make predictions that are in the distant future. This is how evolutionists successfully peddle their dogma as science without falling into widespread disrepute. They have a theory that can be made to explain everything in the past but predicts nothing concrete in the future. Some climate boffins realized their mistake of course and hence “global warming” (which was a concrete prediction) morphed into “climate change” (which is not concrete). But then they realized they had still made a mistake because the climate is constantly changing and sometimes it changes for the better. So they switched horses yet again and are now riding one called “climate disruption” which conveys note of fear as it implies non-beneficial climate change. This too will end up being falsified because as time passes we’ll find that there are no more or less climate disruptions, on averae, in the future as there have been observed in the past. The IPCC was clever predicting that global warming was likely to be beneficial until about 2050 when it would go too far. But at that point they’d all be retired or in their graves so they’d effectively dodge accountability if the prediction failed to come true. Lesser minds like Al Gore might have actually held a strong faith that more and more bad weather and climate changes would take place in the near future.
R S Brown
“the Kilimanjaro area of Japan” Where would that be I wonder? May I suggest the tiniest bit of research before you post – Google earth might help.
Thanks to D. King at 12.27 for the stomach-churning cartoon introduced by Ben Santer ‘climate scientist’ at Lawrence Livermore. There is no better illustration of the desperation of the pro-AGW scientific lobby and the depths they will plumb to indoctrinate young people. I wonder what Ben Santer thinks of his part in this disturbing propaganda now?
Al be coming round the mountain
when he comes
He’ll be coming round the mountain
when he comes
Singing ‘ay ay yippee’ ‘Its getting bloody nippy’
he’ll be skiing down that mountain when he comes
EO
So what is the lesson learned by these lesser known scientists? They used football goal posts instead of the more appropriate -and movable- soccer net. Otherwise, these idiots will continue to state the party line -as they did in the article- per Gore’s funding mandate.
And besides, corrections to published research are supposed to be done under fairly clear journalistic guidelines. This one seems decidedly unscientific. Yet another example of this fact: Pal review has murdering peer review.
EternalOptimist says:
March 22, 2011 at 2:49 am
Al be coming round the mountain
when he comes
He’ll be coming round the mountain
when he comes
Singing ‘ay ay yippee’ ‘Its getting bloody nippy’
he’ll be skiing down that mountain when he comes
EO
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Run with it!
it could be a top seller like the minnesotans song:-)
JDn @ur momisugly March 21, 2011 at 2:49 pm
and
robt @ur momisugly March 22, 2011 at 12:42 am
Many thanks for your correction of my comment at
March 21, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Kilimanjaro is not in Japan.
Sadly, I’d been using GoogleEarth earlier in the day to see
the terrain just inland of the eastern shores of Japan.
Duh… the equinox made me do it.
“None of us had much history working on that mountain, and we didn’t understand a lot of the complicated processes on the peak like we do now.”
replace mountain with atmosphere and I think it applies to alot of the so called climate “scientists” of today. Lab rats with no real world experience …