Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Dear Googlefolk;
Recently, you have decided to take sides in a scientific debate. That in itself is very foolish. Why would Google want to take either side when there is a disagreement between scientists? I thought your motto was “Do No Evil.” For the 900-pound gorilla to take sides in any tempestuous politically charged scientific discussion is an extremely stupid thing to do, and in this case definitely verges on the E-word.
In fact, that’s why up until now I trusted Google, because I always felt that I was being given the unvarnished truth. I always felt that Google could be trusted, because you didn’t have a dog in the fight. I believed you weren’t trying to slant your results, that you were neutral, because you had nothing to prove.
So what did you guys do? You’re now providing money to 21 supporters of the CO2 hypothesis, funding them as “Google Fellows” to go and flog their scientific claims in the marketplace of ideas. Is this the new face of Google, advocating for a partisan idea?
You have chosen to fund policy people as Google Fellows. You have a specialist in “strategic communication in policymaking and public affairs” among them. You have a bunch of scientists whose careers depend on the validity of the CO2 hypothesis. And you are paying them all to push your ideas. In other words, Google has put into place a public relations campaign for the CO2 hypothesis … and people in your organization actually consider this a good idea?
I mean people other than Al Gore, who sits on your Board and who stands to make big money if the CO2 hypothesis can be sold to the public. It doesn’t matter if it’s true. If it can be sold to the public, Al makes big money, even if it’s later shown to be false. So sure, he’s in favor of your cockamamie scheme … but the rest of you guys have truly decided to hitch your wagon to Mr. Gore’s dying star? Really?
Man, Google doing PR work shilling for the CO2 hypothesis. I thought I’d never see the day.
It’s not even disguised as a scientific effort. It’s a sales job, a public relations push from start to finish, no substance, just improved communication. I’m surprised that you haven’t brought in one of the big advertising agencies. Those mad men sell cigarettes, surely they could advise you on how to sell an unpalatable product.
The problem is, now Google has a dog in the fight. You’ve clearly declared that you’re not waiting until the null climate hypothesis gets falsified. You’re not waiting for a climate anomaly to appear, something that’s unlike the historical climate. You have made up your mind and picked your side in the discussion. Here’s what that does. Next time I look up something that is climate science related, I will no longer trust that you are impartial. No way.
Let me make it very clear what I object to in this:
GOOGLE IS TAKING SIDES IN A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR POLITICAL/SCIENTIFIC STRUGGLE
Don’t mistake this for a partisan entreaty. This is not because of the side you’ve chosen, despite the fact that I’m on the other side. I don’t care which side Google takes – it’s wrong and stupid for Google to be in any scientific fight at all, on either side. I’d be screaming just as loudly if you had picked scientists who were on my side of the debate. In fact, I’d scream even louder, because I don’t want Google Follows doing a big PR dog-and-pony-show for skeptical science. Unlike you, I think that’s bad tactics. Your presence, and the desperation that it reeks of, can only damage whichever side you support, so I’m glad it’s not my side.
But sides are not the point. Supporting either side in the debate involves Google in a high-stakes, multi-billion dollar, long-festering, dog-ugly political/scientific battle, with passions running high on both sides, accusations thrown, reputations attacked … and putting your head in this buzz-saw, jumping into this decades-old scientific Balkan war, this is a good idea for Google exactly how?
Truly, are you off your collective meds or something? You don’t want the good name of Google involved in this, there is no upside. All it is going to do is get your name abused in many quarters. I’ve read dozens of people already who said they were switching to Bing or Alta Vista. You’ve lost my trust, it’ll be trust but verify from here on out for me.
And all for what? Guys, you are so far out of touch with the issues that you appear to be truly convinced that it is a communications problem. So you’ve hired all these scientist/communicators to fix that problem. Let me put it in real simple terms.
People don’t believe AGW scientists because they have been lied to by some of the leading lights of the CO2 hypothesis. They’ve seen a number of the best, most noted AGW scientists cheat and game the system to advance their own views, and then lie and deny and destroy emails when the sunlight hit them.
That, dear friends, is not a failure to communicate. Your problem is not the lack of getting your message across. You’ve gotten it across, no problem. The message was obvious – many of the best AGW scientists are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to push their personal AGW agenda … the same agenda that your Google Fellows are now pushing. That was the message, and by gosh, we got it loud and clear.
The only cure for that kind of bad science is good science. It will not be cured by communication. We’ve already gotten the message that your side contains a number of crooks among its most admired and respected members. We’ve gotten the message that most of the decent climate scientists won’t protest against anything. They’ll stay quiet no matter what egregious excesses their leaders commit. They’ll pretend that everything is just fine. Indeed, a number of them even find excuses for the malfeasance of their leaders, that it’s just boys will be boys and the like. No recognition of the gravity of the actions, or how they have destroyed the public’s trust in climate scientists.
If you think the cure for that widespread scientific rot is a clearer explanation of how thunderstorms form or how the greenhouse effect works, I fear you are in for a rude shock. Communications will not fix it, no matter how smart your Google Fellows are … and they are wicked smart, I looked at the bios of every single one, very impressive, but that doesn’t matter. That’s not the issue.
The issue is that the side you’ve picked conned the public, and afterwards refused to admit it. Until they and climate science face up to that, your side will not be believed. There’s no reason to concern yourself with hiring scientists to analyze why your message isn’t getting across. It’s because people hate to be conned. They’d rather be wrong than be conned. And once you’ve conned them, and the Climategate emails show beyond question that your side conned the public, that’s it. After that, all the honeyed words and the communications specialists and the Google Fellows with expertise in “strategic communication in policymaking and public affairs” are useless. Clearer scientific explanations won’t cure broken trust.
And yes, perhaps I’m being paranoid about whether you will skew your search results against skeptics … but then I look at what happened in 2009/10 with “Climategate” as a search term, when for a couple weeks Google wouldn’t suggest it in the Auto Suggest feature. People claimed back then that it was deliberate, you did it on purpose, and I accused them of being paranoid, I didn’t believe it. Looks like instead of them being paranoid, I may have been being naïve.
Anyhow, you can be sure that I won’t defend you again.
So I entreat you and implore you, for your own sake and ours, stop taking sides in political/scientific debates. That is a guaranteed way to lose people’s trust. I’m using Bing for climate searches now, and I’m wondering just if and where you’ve got your thumb on the information scales.
Perhaps nowhere … but I’m a long-time Google user and Google advocate and Google defender. For me to be even wondering about that is an indication of just how badly you screwed up on this one.
Since you seem to have forgotten about your “Do No Evil” motto, I have a new one for you:
You are not wanted there. You are not needed there. You have no business there. Get out, and get out now, before the damage worsens.
Because the core issue is this – you can either be gatekeeper of the world’s knowledge, storing gigabytes of private information about me and my interests and likes and dislikes and my secret after-midnight searches for okapi porn and whale-squashing videos … or you can be a political/scientific advocate.
BUT YOU CAN’T BE BOTH.
You can’t both be in politics and be hiring scientific experts to push a trillion-dollar political/scientific agenda, and at the same time be the holder of everyone’s secret searches. That’s so creepy and underhanded and unfair and wrong in so many ways I can’t even start to list them. I can’t even think of a word strong enough to describe how far off the reservation you are except to say that it is truly Gore-worthy.
Your pimping for the CO2 hypothesis is unseemly and unpleasant. Your clumsy attempt to influence the politics of climate science, on the other hand, is very frightening and way out of line. You hold my secrets, and you held my trust. If you want it again, go back to your core business. Your actions in this matter are scary and reprehensible and truly bizarre. It’s as bizarre as if J. Edgar Hoover was hiring shills to flack for the Tea Party … you are the holder of the secrets. As such, you have absolutely no business involving yourself in anything partisan. It is a serious breach of our trust, and you knew it when you started Google. That’s why your motto is Do No Evil. Get back to that, because with this venture into advocacy you have seriously lost the plot.
My best to you all, and seriously, what you are doing is really scary, I implore and beg you to stop it. Your business is information and secrets, and ethically you can’t be anything else. You hold too much dangerous knowledge to be a player in any political/scientific dogfight, or any other fight. You not only need to be neutral. You need to seem to be neutral.
w.


Google’s been in this one for a long time, it’s just that now that they see their side going for the dirt-nap that they feel they need to try to throw some muscle around.
It’s a bad move, of course; some of us detest the rent-seekers among the ‘Climate Action Partnership’ but we accept that some firms have had to be there for PR reasons. This, on the other hand, is naked activism.
Switched to ixquick.
Oh, excuse me. What is the best browser? Foxfire?
Smokey,
You are correct. It seems Ike feared both the undue influence of industry on the “councils of government” as well as the influence of government money on dictating the nature and direction of research, etc. As a good and true conservative, I would expect nothing less from him.
It used to be when you Googled “Global Warming” in the news section, the skeptical stuff was always on the top, you wouldn’t get the propaganda pages till the second page. Then I noticed about a year that shifted and the skeptical stuff was on page two. It was weird timing too, because Climategate was finally getting traction Copenhagen was a failure we had them on the ropes and suddenly the search engines went their way. HHHMMMM!!!
Mouse over “Google” in the toolbar.
Right click.
“Delete”.
Done.
I have always suspected that Google is holding back on climate searches that might embarrass the establishment. Here is an example that I have fruitlessly tried to google. It involves an article I read about Stephen Schneider and how he got his MacArthur fellowship. It was in a popular science magazine in the middle or late nineties and explained that he got his genius award because he influenced some crucial wording in the 1990 IPCC report he worked on. The article gave both the original wording and his wording for comparison and I thought that both of them were wishy-washy. But I was not really interested in climate at that time and forgot the source until I started doing my own climate research in 2008. I tried to find it because now I realized the significance of this but no matter how I Googled it I did not get it. In the article he also said that the award arrived at a time when he really needed it because he was in the middle of a bitter divorce and had spent all his resources. There is no record of this divorce in his CV or anywhere else. He is said to be married to Terry Root and if you Google him and divorce you get a list of divorce lawyers. And this hide-the-facts game continues despite his demise last year. To me this is not an accident and indicates a deep and hidden effort by Google to make the CO2 advocates side look good. The Google scholar project only makes it official.
Squidly says:
March 19, 2011 at 6:42 am
Hugh Pepper says:
March 19, 2011 at 2:44 am
This is utter nonsense! Paranoid rant!
Annei says:
March 19, 2011 at 2:48 am
Hear Hear!
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Squidly: You missed my further comment further down. I was NOT saying ‘Hear Hear’ to that rant by Hugh Pepper. I WAS saying it about Willis’s article, and I wrote it before any other comments had been posted. It was a great misfortune that it then appeared below that rant. A lesson to be learned…make sure that one’s answer includes the name of the person addressed!
Please rest assured that I DO agree with Willis and most decidedly not with the ranter.
Annei.
Theo Goodwin says: March 19, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Switched to ixquick.
Me too
Douglas
there’s more than just Google on the web:
http://www.thesearchenginelist.com/
http://www.philb.com/webse.htm
http://www.20search.com/
[stop posting this Goebbels cartoon, it will not be published – and since your email is bogus, you are banned. Part of UEA there in Norfolk? – Anthony]
I can’t help but notice that a number of social issues have become more visible since Larry Page replaced Sergey Brin in the senior policy/CEO role. The Egypt Google director helped precipitate a regime change with the protection of Google who involved President Obama. The prioritizing of web search listings on Google has always been a source of contention by those not at the top. Skeptical sites are now “page 2.” Prominent climate change believers’s sites: ie, Stephen Schneider’s have been edited to provide a favorable view of the person. It seems that over the recent past, there has been a climate change in the Corporate governance at Google such that Do No Evil has morphed into Do No Harm, and recently morphed into Do What We Believe is Right. Their power is in their information trove. As happened with Senator McCarthy in the 1950’s, using such power against one’s enemies, inevitably gets used against someone more powerful who then strikes back. My guess is that that treasure trove of personal information amassed by Google will become regulated and the whole reason for Google’s power will be dissipated.
I use Ixquick for ordinary searches, Bing for anything complex or if Ixquick fails. Google, almost never. Not to be trusted under any circumstances.
All power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Be very wary of Google email I would not be surprised if they have a tag on anyone on the web who is known to be antiAGW LOL. I left them today
Who do we know that is committed to the anti- CO2 green-money pit and believes that CO2 os the bane of human existance?
Nov 30th 2010
“EU launches antitrust probe into alleged Google abuses”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11876443
Feb 24th 2010
“Google faces European competition inquiry”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8533551.stm
Nov 30th 2010
“Google v Regulators: The battle begins:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/2010/11/google_v_regulators_the_battle.html
There are hundreds of such new stories, and they have become more frequent.
I’m sure that Google was under “No Pressure” to make this decision.
The question is, how does what Google has chosen to do change the course of these ‘investigations’?
Intel, why didn’t you think of this?
I’m not seeing any kind of boycott works for a de facto world leading internet company that has the users by the balls with already integrated search features and email what ever.
As many people who get it into their heads to boycott Google because it turned out to become a science Goregamel, a hundred times more users joins the internet every day for the first time.
Ridiculing them is probably gonna have more of an effect since no company want to have their so called trademark linked to what they think is negative.
Re Tax & IRS – I think the ‘correct’ wording on the form before sending it back minus taxes is “no contract”. The IRS is a private company and iirc it requests you to pay, it does not demand because it can’t, don’t sign it… Americans can’t be taxed on income earned for labour, or something like that. http://www.mind-trek.com/practicl/tl16a.htm
Also, “To lay with one hand the power of government on the property of the citizen, and with the other to bestow it on favored individuals.. is nonetheless robbery because it is done under the forms of law is called taxation.” U.S. Supreme Court – Loan Association v. Topeka (1874)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that, “If the taxpayers of this country discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff, the entire system will collapse.”” Senator Henry Bellmon, 1969.
http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl16a.shtml
The IRS is the collection agency for the Federal Reserve which is a private company and having wangled control of the US dollar, it lend money and charges interest, i.e. it prints notes and charges the US government for these, taxes go to pay the interest.
Technically illegal, it didn’t have a quorum pass this originally.
Interesting titbit I learned of recently, that an American jury sits not only in judgement of the alleged criminal, but also of the law – that a jury can rule a particular law unfair and throw out the case, for example. What an amazing constitution, no wonder it’s kept hidden…
Tesla_X says:
March 19, 2011 at 11:38 am
“BLOOMs biz models rely HEAVILY on these funds (and the creative use of limited amounts of things like ‘directed biogas’), especially since I suspect they are still trying to cope with things like a $12/watt cost and what I suspect may be a short stack life (see Greentechmedia write-ups).”
That would be the typical problem of hydrocarbon-burning fuel cells. Thanks for the links!
When Climategate started, I was astounded to find that after showing approx 50 million in Google search, the numbers started to go backwards. Fascinated, I did the search daily for weeks and weeks, and found that Google eventually one day showed less than 10 million. I did some research and found that Al Gore was one of Google’s advisors.
As far as trust in anyone is concerned, trust has to be earned.
And Willis, time to trim the verbosity in your posts, and the emotion. Keep it short and snappy. Maybe you need a little holiday.
I think using Scroogle is a good choice if you can even get the site to open. Also, if your interested in screwing those companies that are insistent on mining behavorial data, I recommend opting out of all those web losers too. http://www.networkadvertising.org/managing/opt_out.asp
You’ll be amazed at how many there are.
I would also add the browser plugin for firefox. http://www.google.com/ads/preferences/plugin/
Gee you trust a firm that has a motto of do no evil. In todays world that is an admission you do evil.
Pamela, I would agree with you that businesses are free to do as you suggest. I’m not sure there are many (if any) here suggesting otherwise. I don’t believe that is within the scope of this topic. It is not weather or not Google can be biased, it is whether or not they should. I believe that Google is making a grievous mistake going down this road, especially considering the nature of their business. I also believe that this sort of action can (and possibly will) be their ultimate demise. Their business relies heavily on trust. Once they lose our trust, they lose their business.
As for the “game on”, the “target” and the “get to the Internet Providers”, are you kidding me? What fricken planet do you live on? Your sounding too much like a leftist, Marxist sort of person here. Thankfully, the Internet (and service providers) is still free wheeling, and I honestly hope that it stays that way (I believe it will regardless of the attacks by such folk as the FCC by the way).
It is information such as this post that “get the word out” to people that may not be aware of the shenanigans that are or may be taking place without their knowledge. I find this sort of post more as informational and more of a “spread the word” piece. It is exactly this type of post that helps in the “self” regulation of an unregulated arena. It is for posts like this that allow us to forgo regulation and enable the environment to regulate itself far more effective than any manufactured regulation by government agencies could ever do. This is what is termed “free market”. And when the arena maintains transparency (ie: free speech, etc…), a free market can better regulate itself than governments can. This post is yet another fine example of how things like Net-Neutrality are such a dumb idea, and why your last paragraph is so incredibly stupid.
P.S. to IRS and Tax – this page of instructions look useful: http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Instructions/4.13StopEmployerWH.htm
R. Gates says:
March 19, 2011 at 10:53 am
“The U.S. is a Corporate controlled country, and this is the true form of Fascism as Mussolini meant it…it is not a control of corporations by the government, but rather, a control of government by corporations. Washington D.C. and American national policy is dictated by large, wealthy, and very powerful multinational corporations. These corporations do battle every day between each other for bits and pieces of that control, and hence the reason that lobbyists in D.C. outnumber politicians about 100 to 1.”
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Wow, do you learn history from Wikipedia? Corporatism does not mean run by private corporations, it means a country run like a corporation – in which most employees have very little freedom if they want to keep their jobs. But were you to actually take a real history course, you would learn that Mussolini pretty much used the word “fascist” (meaning ‘bundle of sticks’) to mean whatever he had in mind at the time. When he created fascism, it was not a well-defined idea; it was just a term with constantly changing meanings as a method of keeping himself in power. Mussolini was a demagogue.
Your laughable argument that attempts to portray the US as fascist actually describes the antithesis of fascism, as power is not concentrated in the hands of the government under the rule of a dictator, but rather in extra-governmental corporations. I would agree that the government and corporations are too tightly linked in many modern democracies, with many unfortunate results. However, the name for that is not ‘fascism.’
I’ve just permanently removed Google from my list of search engines.
I replaced it with ixquick.
About time too, really.