Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Dear Googlefolk;
Recently, you have decided to take sides in a scientific debate. That in itself is very foolish. Why would Google want to take either side when there is a disagreement between scientists? I thought your motto was “Do No Evil.” For the 900-pound gorilla to take sides in any tempestuous politically charged scientific discussion is an extremely stupid thing to do, and in this case definitely verges on the E-word.
In fact, that’s why up until now I trusted Google, because I always felt that I was being given the unvarnished truth. I always felt that Google could be trusted, because you didn’t have a dog in the fight. I believed you weren’t trying to slant your results, that you were neutral, because you had nothing to prove.
So what did you guys do? You’re now providing money to 21 supporters of the CO2 hypothesis, funding them as “Google Fellows” to go and flog their scientific claims in the marketplace of ideas. Is this the new face of Google, advocating for a partisan idea?
You have chosen to fund policy people as Google Fellows. You have a specialist in “strategic communication in policymaking and public affairs” among them. You have a bunch of scientists whose careers depend on the validity of the CO2 hypothesis. And you are paying them all to push your ideas. In other words, Google has put into place a public relations campaign for the CO2 hypothesis … and people in your organization actually consider this a good idea?
I mean people other than Al Gore, who sits on your Board and who stands to make big money if the CO2 hypothesis can be sold to the public. It doesn’t matter if it’s true. If it can be sold to the public, Al makes big money, even if it’s later shown to be false. So sure, he’s in favor of your cockamamie scheme … but the rest of you guys have truly decided to hitch your wagon to Mr. Gore’s dying star? Really?
Man, Google doing PR work shilling for the CO2 hypothesis. I thought I’d never see the day.
It’s not even disguised as a scientific effort. It’s a sales job, a public relations push from start to finish, no substance, just improved communication. I’m surprised that you haven’t brought in one of the big advertising agencies. Those mad men sell cigarettes, surely they could advise you on how to sell an unpalatable product.
The problem is, now Google has a dog in the fight. You’ve clearly declared that you’re not waiting until the null climate hypothesis gets falsified. You’re not waiting for a climate anomaly to appear, something that’s unlike the historical climate. You have made up your mind and picked your side in the discussion. Here’s what that does. Next time I look up something that is climate science related, I will no longer trust that you are impartial. No way.
Let me make it very clear what I object to in this:
GOOGLE IS TAKING SIDES IN A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR POLITICAL/SCIENTIFIC STRUGGLE
Don’t mistake this for a partisan entreaty. This is not because of the side you’ve chosen, despite the fact that I’m on the other side. I don’t care which side Google takes – it’s wrong and stupid for Google to be in any scientific fight at all, on either side. I’d be screaming just as loudly if you had picked scientists who were on my side of the debate. In fact, I’d scream even louder, because I don’t want Google Follows doing a big PR dog-and-pony-show for skeptical science. Unlike you, I think that’s bad tactics. Your presence, and the desperation that it reeks of, can only damage whichever side you support, so I’m glad it’s not my side.
But sides are not the point. Supporting either side in the debate involves Google in a high-stakes, multi-billion dollar, long-festering, dog-ugly political/scientific battle, with passions running high on both sides, accusations thrown, reputations attacked … and putting your head in this buzz-saw, jumping into this decades-old scientific Balkan war, this is a good idea for Google exactly how?
Truly, are you off your collective meds or something? You don’t want the good name of Google involved in this, there is no upside. All it is going to do is get your name abused in many quarters. I’ve read dozens of people already who said they were switching to Bing or Alta Vista. You’ve lost my trust, it’ll be trust but verify from here on out for me.
And all for what? Guys, you are so far out of touch with the issues that you appear to be truly convinced that it is a communications problem. So you’ve hired all these scientist/communicators to fix that problem. Let me put it in real simple terms.
People don’t believe AGW scientists because they have been lied to by some of the leading lights of the CO2 hypothesis. They’ve seen a number of the best, most noted AGW scientists cheat and game the system to advance their own views, and then lie and deny and destroy emails when the sunlight hit them.
That, dear friends, is not a failure to communicate. Your problem is not the lack of getting your message across. You’ve gotten it across, no problem. The message was obvious – many of the best AGW scientists are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to push their personal AGW agenda … the same agenda that your Google Fellows are now pushing. That was the message, and by gosh, we got it loud and clear.
The only cure for that kind of bad science is good science. It will not be cured by communication. We’ve already gotten the message that your side contains a number of crooks among its most admired and respected members. We’ve gotten the message that most of the decent climate scientists won’t protest against anything. They’ll stay quiet no matter what egregious excesses their leaders commit. They’ll pretend that everything is just fine. Indeed, a number of them even find excuses for the malfeasance of their leaders, that it’s just boys will be boys and the like. No recognition of the gravity of the actions, or how they have destroyed the public’s trust in climate scientists.
If you think the cure for that widespread scientific rot is a clearer explanation of how thunderstorms form or how the greenhouse effect works, I fear you are in for a rude shock. Communications will not fix it, no matter how smart your Google Fellows are … and they are wicked smart, I looked at the bios of every single one, very impressive, but that doesn’t matter. That’s not the issue.
The issue is that the side you’ve picked conned the public, and afterwards refused to admit it. Until they and climate science face up to that, your side will not be believed. There’s no reason to concern yourself with hiring scientists to analyze why your message isn’t getting across. It’s because people hate to be conned. They’d rather be wrong than be conned. And once you’ve conned them, and the Climategate emails show beyond question that your side conned the public, that’s it. After that, all the honeyed words and the communications specialists and the Google Fellows with expertise in “strategic communication in policymaking and public affairs” are useless. Clearer scientific explanations won’t cure broken trust.
And yes, perhaps I’m being paranoid about whether you will skew your search results against skeptics … but then I look at what happened in 2009/10 with “Climategate” as a search term, when for a couple weeks Google wouldn’t suggest it in the Auto Suggest feature. People claimed back then that it was deliberate, you did it on purpose, and I accused them of being paranoid, I didn’t believe it. Looks like instead of them being paranoid, I may have been being naïve.
Anyhow, you can be sure that I won’t defend you again.
So I entreat you and implore you, for your own sake and ours, stop taking sides in political/scientific debates. That is a guaranteed way to lose people’s trust. I’m using Bing for climate searches now, and I’m wondering just if and where you’ve got your thumb on the information scales.
Perhaps nowhere … but I’m a long-time Google user and Google advocate and Google defender. For me to be even wondering about that is an indication of just how badly you screwed up on this one.
Since you seem to have forgotten about your “Do No Evil” motto, I have a new one for you:
You are not wanted there. You are not needed there. You have no business there. Get out, and get out now, before the damage worsens.
Because the core issue is this – you can either be gatekeeper of the world’s knowledge, storing gigabytes of private information about me and my interests and likes and dislikes and my secret after-midnight searches for okapi porn and whale-squashing videos … or you can be a political/scientific advocate.
BUT YOU CAN’T BE BOTH.
You can’t both be in politics and be hiring scientific experts to push a trillion-dollar political/scientific agenda, and at the same time be the holder of everyone’s secret searches. That’s so creepy and underhanded and unfair and wrong in so many ways I can’t even start to list them. I can’t even think of a word strong enough to describe how far off the reservation you are except to say that it is truly Gore-worthy.
Your pimping for the CO2 hypothesis is unseemly and unpleasant. Your clumsy attempt to influence the politics of climate science, on the other hand, is very frightening and way out of line. You hold my secrets, and you held my trust. If you want it again, go back to your core business. Your actions in this matter are scary and reprehensible and truly bizarre. It’s as bizarre as if J. Edgar Hoover was hiring shills to flack for the Tea Party … you are the holder of the secrets. As such, you have absolutely no business involving yourself in anything partisan. It is a serious breach of our trust, and you knew it when you started Google. That’s why your motto is Do No Evil. Get back to that, because with this venture into advocacy you have seriously lost the plot.
My best to you all, and seriously, what you are doing is really scary, I implore and beg you to stop it. Your business is information and secrets, and ethically you can’t be anything else. You hold too much dangerous knowledge to be a player in any political/scientific dogfight, or any other fight. You not only need to be neutral. You need to seem to be neutral.
w.


So, Gates, you would have no problem with the Koch’s refusing to provide you with energy based on your climate alarmist views? Somehow I have a hard time believing that. Google denies honest page placement to sites like WUWT and CA, based entirely on their scientifically skeptical views. You have a major moral blind spot, and you don’t even know it. Or you do know it, but the end justifies the means.
They’re just taking part in a money-feast, just like all the other “warmists”
And going beyond global-warming (I wish):
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/18/google_review_google_speaks/
Seems they want it all: For themselves.
I think the word is “Arrogance”
Smokey says:
March 19, 2011 at 10:54 am
So, Gates, you would have no problem with the Koch’s refusing to provide you with energy based on your climate alarmist views? Somehow I have a hard time believing that. Google denies honest page placement to sites like WUWT and CA, based entirely on their scientifically skeptical views. You have a major moral blind spot, and you don’t even know it. Or you do know it, but the end justifies the means.
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Since I am not a climate “alarmist”, your question doesn’t pertain to me. But, in principle, I think a company should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason, so long as that company does not derive any of their income from the use of the “commons”. Are you familiar with this term? The bottom line is– if the Koch Bros. or any company, such as Comcast for example, use publicly owned land to conduct their business, then they must provide service to everyone in their coverage area, and may not differentiate for any reason.
More broadly though, I am actively taking steps to remove my home and business property from needing energy from the grid. In less than 2 years, I will be selling excess energy back to the grid, and to people, perhaps like you and others, who wish to light up their Christmas lights in protest of Earth Day…so cha-ching to me!
Gates and others, re corporatism.
If you believe in free speech, then you have to allow the free speech of corporations too. Corporations really don’t overly control or influence anything, I’m free to ignore whatever they say and I can go a look for counter opinions whenever I want.
That said, Willis does have a point about ‘Don’t be Evil’ Google and their intentionally deceptive practice. But then again, I really doesn’t surprise me, Google has acted this way all along.
MikeEE
I just switched my search engine to Yahoo and removed my Google toolbar. The latter action prompts a survey from Google, so I gave them the URL of Willis’s post to explain my action.
Welcome to the “climate disruption/industrial complex”!
Let’s see….members include GE/Jeff Imelt with their unsold windmills, GM with their Chevy Volt, Google, Apple, Bill Gates, all major research universities, Goldman Sachs, Ecosecurities (i.e. J.P. Morgan Chase, see http://www.ecosecurities.com/), CNBC and on & on.
And these guys complain that Koch brothers make legal political donations?
Henry@fredb
Sorry Fred. I was there where you are standing now. Only to find out that more carbon dioxide is better, not worse. I subsequently did the opposite of what you decided to do: I decided to do to make people change their minds about more carbon dioxide/
Do some real research and then you get back to me.
Start here:
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/more-carbon-dioxide-is-ok-ok
JohnM says:
March 19, 2011 at 11:00 am
They’re just taking part in a money-feast, just like all the other “warmists”
And going beyond global-warming (I wish):
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/18/google_review_google_speaks/
Seems they want it all: For themselves.
I think the word is “Arrogance”
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Isn’t that what Capitalism is all about? A “money feast”? I didn’t see many complaints from the skeptics when the Koch Bros. passed out millions to get their candidates into office and influence energy policy. The world is controlled by the rich and powerful. Basically, in terms of control of the the climate-change dialog you have the Koch Bros. et. al. versus Google et. al. Big $ vs. Big $. They are all “arrogant” in their own way. Why is this so surprising?
Smokey says:
March 19, 2011 at 10:54 am
So, Gates, you would have no problem with the Koch’s refusing to provide you with energy based on your climate alarmist views? Somehow I have a hard time believing that. Google denies honest page placement to sites like WUWT and CA, based entirely on their scientifically skeptical views. You have a major moral blind spot, and you don’t even know it. Or you do know it, but the end justifies the means.
As far as I can tell Google provided fair page placement to WUWT and CA, despite their “skepticisim” of AGW, until Anthony Watts proposed a boycott of Google by skeptics yesterday. This call for boycotting Google this hits their bottom line. Why shouldn’t they retaliate with a kind of boycott of their own?
REPLY: Eadler, as I said before, you are totally delusional about this. You really need to get out of your home and into the real world more. – Anthony
“People hate to be conned. They’d rather be wrong than be conned”
Nailed it.
Gentlemen,
This is about money and propping up failing investments, IMHO.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/tag/bloom-energy/
Google is heavily invested in GREEN…as is Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers.
Their favored tech, like BLOOM ENERGY and both PV and Thermal Solar are heavily dependent on Government and SGIP Money to even be barely competitive with Natural Gas derived power.
SGIP (the self generation incentive program) is stalled here in California, and BLOOMs biz models rely HEAVILY on these funds (and the creative use of limited amounts of things like ‘directed biogas’), especially since I suspect they are still trying to cope with things like a $12/watt cost and what I suspect may be a short stack life (see Greentechmedia write-ups).
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/bloom-update/
http://gigaom.com/cleantech/bloom%E2%80%99s-carbon-neutral-claim-relies-on-scarce-biogas/
These boys at Google also have an Energy group that is heavily involved in all things green & energy trading, so I think all this Carbon hype and ‘PR’ is directed to propping up business models that will fail without carbon taxes/credits, heavy government subsidies, artificially high energy costs and a stimulated thirst for ‘green energy’…..whatever that is…….(think rare earth toxic processing and solar processing wastes fouling farming fields in China).
Note 2 of their 5 pet projects are in energy.
http://www.google.org/projects.html
They are also heavy into Solar, another subsidy hungry business model:
This particular investment probably won’t do well with falling nat gas prices (or subsidies/carbon taxes):
http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/news/2008/04/solar_thermal
And:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/09/google-custom-solar-technology-will-reduce-costs-by-60-percent.php
….which was tagged for trouble with the ailing economy:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/09/solar-power-industry-in-crisis-solar-panels-manufacturers.php
…Which has continued to decay:
http://wealthcycles.com/blog/2011/03/09/labor-force-participation-rate-drops-indicate-more-discouraged-workers-in-the-us-eco
Then you have Germany, Spain and other markets slashing solar feed in tariffs and carbon as cheap as dirt (cow manure is worth more per ton, FYI).
You have stranded projects galore and the Gubmint has no real money left to support crony-carbon-loving and green tech….so they are in trouble.
What do you do when you are caught between a failing green market failing economy and failing subsidy dependent technologies?
=====>You say/do anything to can to save your @ur momisugly$$.<======
One linked article commentator asked if Google was the next Enron.
I've been wondering that myself lately…
MikeEE says:
March 19, 2011 at 11:24 am
Gates and others, re corporatism.
If you believe in free speech, then you have to allow the free speech of corporations too. Corporations really don’t overly control or influence anything,
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Mike, if you could spend just a few days in Washington D.C. as a fly on the wall so to speak, you’d think far differently about this. This is not a free speech issue at all. This is an issue of pure money and power. Government by “We the People” is now (and has been for quite some time) Government by “We the Corporations”. It was warned about by Thomas Jefferson, Lincoln, and Eisenhower. The fact that Ike was the last to really warn about it tells you how silent and consenting Washington D.C. now is the situation.
Stephan says: March 19, 2011 at 6:58 am
Guys/gals… don’t worry the world simply ain’t warming most people will come to realize this over time it does not really matter what google or anyone does.
http://processtrends.com/images/RClimate_UAH_Ch5_latest.png
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Stephan: How right you are. We might have to go down a painful path to learn the truth – like freezing a bit in winter and feeling a bit hungry for awhile but in the end we will learn. And ultimately humans overturn charlatans – it might take a little time – but it happens – even to the likes of Kaddafi . Google might be ‘puffed up’ and mighty now – but……….
Douglas
‘In fact, that’s why up until now I trusted Google, because I always felt that I was being given the unvarnished truth’
Why would you trust anything owned by Microsoft?
I’m not defending Google but I wonder how much pressure the Obama crowd can, or has applied to Google AND Microsoft to promote the party line. I’m sure Obama’s trained monkeys could litigate Google to a complete standstill if Google refused to promote/defend the CO2 – Cap and Trade – AGW nonesense.
If you think google isn’t invasive, pervasive, and meddling in every aspect of your life, block google.com in your firewall and disallow cookies from google for a few days and watch how much of the internet becomes unavailable.
Open the source view of just about any web page and count the entries for google. Including the home page of WUWT. And just for fun, google – oops, Bing “web beacon”. I’ve used a proxy server here for years and google has more entries in it than any other entity. It is amazing how fast pages load when you don’t have to drag google analytics and google ad services around with you.
Skeptic says:
March 19, 2011 at 11:48 am
I’m not defending Google but I wonder how much pressure the Obama crowd can, or has applied to Google AND Microsoft to promote the party line
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You are confusing the dog and the tail.
Ixquick is totalky trustworthy. They destroy your search and personal info after every search. Ixquick.com.
Ixquick is totally trustworthy. They destroy your search and personal info after every search. Ixquick.com.
Gates says:
Government by “We the People” is now (and has been for quite some time) Government by “We the Corporations”. It was warned about by Thomas Jefferson, Lincoln, and Eisenhower. The fact that Ike was the last to really warn about it tells you how silent and consenting Washington D.C. now is the situation.
Eisenhower’s comments are being misrepresented. He specifically warned about Big Government’s intrusion into science, and how money corrupts companies and universities alike:
Eisenhower was very prescient. His predictions have come to pass with a vengeance. The government subsidized system has now been hijacked by cliques of self-serving pseudo-scientists and unelected bureaucrats intent on destroying the country through insane laws, rules, regulations, ever higher taxes, and the deliberate elimination of cheap energy, based on anti-science.
Let’s bomb the bastards!
No more dirty hankies
Me and Nemo is mates before the mast.
Is Bing any different?
Google is big. They’re like the phone company. As far as Anti-Christ corporations go, I rate them below GE, Government Motors, Berkshire-Hathaway, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Weyerhaueser, and Georgia Pacific (which, btw, is wholly owned by the Koch Bros).
Google may not be without political flaws, but they are not responsible for crappy climate science, CAGW alarmism, or the general stupidity of the Body Politic. If anything, the Internet (of which Google plays a major developmental role) is the cure for epidemic fatheadedness.
The real insult is that Google is giving some their of their ample fat to people who are already well-paid sponges and trough suckers.
Spread the wealth, Google!!! How about a healthy endowment to the Best Science Blog in the Blogosphere? I mean, if you want to explore the digital communication of ideas, what better model than right smack here?
“…and seriously, what you are doing is really scary, I implore and beg you to stop it.”
Willis, as usual an excellent piece, I applaud you.
What is ‘scary’ to me is the possible infiltration into Google from those with more money than they know what to do with, agenda that are at the least horrifying, and at best anarchical; I give you the UN, followed by the EU, along with all their sundry green painted sychophants.