Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Dear Googlefolk;
Recently, you have decided to take sides in a scientific debate. That in itself is very foolish. Why would Google want to take either side when there is a disagreement between scientists? I thought your motto was “Do No Evil.” For the 900-pound gorilla to take sides in any tempestuous politically charged scientific discussion is an extremely stupid thing to do, and in this case definitely verges on the E-word.
In fact, that’s why up until now I trusted Google, because I always felt that I was being given the unvarnished truth. I always felt that Google could be trusted, because you didn’t have a dog in the fight. I believed you weren’t trying to slant your results, that you were neutral, because you had nothing to prove.
So what did you guys do? You’re now providing money to 21 supporters of the CO2 hypothesis, funding them as “Google Fellows” to go and flog their scientific claims in the marketplace of ideas. Is this the new face of Google, advocating for a partisan idea?
You have chosen to fund policy people as Google Fellows. You have a specialist in “strategic communication in policymaking and public affairs” among them. You have a bunch of scientists whose careers depend on the validity of the CO2 hypothesis. And you are paying them all to push your ideas. In other words, Google has put into place a public relations campaign for the CO2 hypothesis … and people in your organization actually consider this a good idea?
I mean people other than Al Gore, who sits on your Board and who stands to make big money if the CO2 hypothesis can be sold to the public. It doesn’t matter if it’s true. If it can be sold to the public, Al makes big money, even if it’s later shown to be false. So sure, he’s in favor of your cockamamie scheme … but the rest of you guys have truly decided to hitch your wagon to Mr. Gore’s dying star? Really?
Man, Google doing PR work shilling for the CO2 hypothesis. I thought I’d never see the day.
It’s not even disguised as a scientific effort. It’s a sales job, a public relations push from start to finish, no substance, just improved communication. I’m surprised that you haven’t brought in one of the big advertising agencies. Those mad men sell cigarettes, surely they could advise you on how to sell an unpalatable product.
The problem is, now Google has a dog in the fight. You’ve clearly declared that you’re not waiting until the null climate hypothesis gets falsified. You’re not waiting for a climate anomaly to appear, something that’s unlike the historical climate. You have made up your mind and picked your side in the discussion. Here’s what that does. Next time I look up something that is climate science related, I will no longer trust that you are impartial. No way.
Let me make it very clear what I object to in this:
GOOGLE IS TAKING SIDES IN A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR POLITICAL/SCIENTIFIC STRUGGLE
Don’t mistake this for a partisan entreaty. This is not because of the side you’ve chosen, despite the fact that I’m on the other side. I don’t care which side Google takes – it’s wrong and stupid for Google to be in any scientific fight at all, on either side. I’d be screaming just as loudly if you had picked scientists who were on my side of the debate. In fact, I’d scream even louder, because I don’t want Google Follows doing a big PR dog-and-pony-show for skeptical science. Unlike you, I think that’s bad tactics. Your presence, and the desperation that it reeks of, can only damage whichever side you support, so I’m glad it’s not my side.
But sides are not the point. Supporting either side in the debate involves Google in a high-stakes, multi-billion dollar, long-festering, dog-ugly political/scientific battle, with passions running high on both sides, accusations thrown, reputations attacked … and putting your head in this buzz-saw, jumping into this decades-old scientific Balkan war, this is a good idea for Google exactly how?
Truly, are you off your collective meds or something? You don’t want the good name of Google involved in this, there is no upside. All it is going to do is get your name abused in many quarters. I’ve read dozens of people already who said they were switching to Bing or Alta Vista. You’ve lost my trust, it’ll be trust but verify from here on out for me.
And all for what? Guys, you are so far out of touch with the issues that you appear to be truly convinced that it is a communications problem. So you’ve hired all these scientist/communicators to fix that problem. Let me put it in real simple terms.
People don’t believe AGW scientists because they have been lied to by some of the leading lights of the CO2 hypothesis. They’ve seen a number of the best, most noted AGW scientists cheat and game the system to advance their own views, and then lie and deny and destroy emails when the sunlight hit them.
That, dear friends, is not a failure to communicate. Your problem is not the lack of getting your message across. You’ve gotten it across, no problem. The message was obvious – many of the best AGW scientists are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to push their personal AGW agenda … the same agenda that your Google Fellows are now pushing. That was the message, and by gosh, we got it loud and clear.
The only cure for that kind of bad science is good science. It will not be cured by communication. We’ve already gotten the message that your side contains a number of crooks among its most admired and respected members. We’ve gotten the message that most of the decent climate scientists won’t protest against anything. They’ll stay quiet no matter what egregious excesses their leaders commit. They’ll pretend that everything is just fine. Indeed, a number of them even find excuses for the malfeasance of their leaders, that it’s just boys will be boys and the like. No recognition of the gravity of the actions, or how they have destroyed the public’s trust in climate scientists.
If you think the cure for that widespread scientific rot is a clearer explanation of how thunderstorms form or how the greenhouse effect works, I fear you are in for a rude shock. Communications will not fix it, no matter how smart your Google Fellows are … and they are wicked smart, I looked at the bios of every single one, very impressive, but that doesn’t matter. That’s not the issue.
The issue is that the side you’ve picked conned the public, and afterwards refused to admit it. Until they and climate science face up to that, your side will not be believed. There’s no reason to concern yourself with hiring scientists to analyze why your message isn’t getting across. It’s because people hate to be conned. They’d rather be wrong than be conned. And once you’ve conned them, and the Climategate emails show beyond question that your side conned the public, that’s it. After that, all the honeyed words and the communications specialists and the Google Fellows with expertise in “strategic communication in policymaking and public affairs” are useless. Clearer scientific explanations won’t cure broken trust.
And yes, perhaps I’m being paranoid about whether you will skew your search results against skeptics … but then I look at what happened in 2009/10 with “Climategate” as a search term, when for a couple weeks Google wouldn’t suggest it in the Auto Suggest feature. People claimed back then that it was deliberate, you did it on purpose, and I accused them of being paranoid, I didn’t believe it. Looks like instead of them being paranoid, I may have been being naïve.
Anyhow, you can be sure that I won’t defend you again.
So I entreat you and implore you, for your own sake and ours, stop taking sides in political/scientific debates. That is a guaranteed way to lose people’s trust. I’m using Bing for climate searches now, and I’m wondering just if and where you’ve got your thumb on the information scales.
Perhaps nowhere … but I’m a long-time Google user and Google advocate and Google defender. For me to be even wondering about that is an indication of just how badly you screwed up on this one.
Since you seem to have forgotten about your “Do No Evil” motto, I have a new one for you:
You are not wanted there. You are not needed there. You have no business there. Get out, and get out now, before the damage worsens.
Because the core issue is this – you can either be gatekeeper of the world’s knowledge, storing gigabytes of private information about me and my interests and likes and dislikes and my secret after-midnight searches for okapi porn and whale-squashing videos … or you can be a political/scientific advocate.
BUT YOU CAN’T BE BOTH.
You can’t both be in politics and be hiring scientific experts to push a trillion-dollar political/scientific agenda, and at the same time be the holder of everyone’s secret searches. That’s so creepy and underhanded and unfair and wrong in so many ways I can’t even start to list them. I can’t even think of a word strong enough to describe how far off the reservation you are except to say that it is truly Gore-worthy.
Your pimping for the CO2 hypothesis is unseemly and unpleasant. Your clumsy attempt to influence the politics of climate science, on the other hand, is very frightening and way out of line. You hold my secrets, and you held my trust. If you want it again, go back to your core business. Your actions in this matter are scary and reprehensible and truly bizarre. It’s as bizarre as if J. Edgar Hoover was hiring shills to flack for the Tea Party … you are the holder of the secrets. As such, you have absolutely no business involving yourself in anything partisan. It is a serious breach of our trust, and you knew it when you started Google. That’s why your motto is Do No Evil. Get back to that, because with this venture into advocacy you have seriously lost the plot.
My best to you all, and seriously, what you are doing is really scary, I implore and beg you to stop it. Your business is information and secrets, and ethically you can’t be anything else. You hold too much dangerous knowledge to be a player in any political/scientific dogfight, or any other fight. You not only need to be neutral. You need to seem to be neutral.
w.


Check and mate.
You’d need to do a lot more than switch search engines and avoid GMail, Willis. Sounds like you’re pretty late to this party. Here’s a mere taster. Park it alongside your honey pot, spam and ICMP frequency correlations are interesting things to analyse. 😉
fredb says:
March 19, 2011 at 3:57 am
And I will say, on behalf of everyone else of my generation, I can only ask for forgiveness of our stupidity.
Well, I fully support your request for forgiveness for your stupidity.
Many of the rest of us are fairly smart and speaking for myself and perhaps some others, we will join you in that personal request of yours for your forgiveness.
fredb says:
March 19, 2011 at 3:57 am
– – –
“… I can only ask for forgiveness of our stupidity.”
– – –
That would be the stupidity of passing even more debt to our grandchildren for no return.
John M Reynolds
Here Here! Have switched to another search engine.
Thanks Willis. Keep repeating this. Summarize it. Number your points with highlighted headers in between. There is no more important understanding than this for all WUWT readers. Clearly we can see what crony corporations are up to — and they believe they are going to make a s&&tload of money off us taxpaying, fee paying, “enhancement” paying, “special project” paying fools.
Yes, Google has been evil by not being neutral, not only in science, but in politics. They were “all in” supporting Obama in 2007-2008, wiping out as much evidence of who he was as possible and slanting searches towards his idolization. How can this happen in a “representative democracy”, which requires absolute commitment to the scientific method? Or is Google in favor of fascism, The Third Way, where a few elites control us all, managed by a Dear Leader or an Il Duce?
Steve C says:
March 19, 2011 at 6:03 am
Let’s be honest, Google is just as “neutral” as Wikipedia, and “Do No Evil” was never more than a barker’s shout to bring in the trade.
Perhaps – but for them to actually come out and admit their lack of neutrality is surprising.
Maybe they should change their motto to “We know what is best for you to know”.
R. Gates, let me Koch on what you are saying. Nope, no Koch brothers search engine, can you give me another hint? I googled Koch Brothers and got “how the Koch brothers fund the climate denial machine”; where’s my check??
Tenuc, I ran the W.E. searches with Yandex. W.E. bio yielded WUWT (Tim Lambert lying was #3). W.E. wikipedia yielded Sense and Sensitivity just like Google. Credentials yielded lying like Google. Biography yielded a pipl profile (good result). Qualifications yielded “Trust and Mistrust” unlike lying Google. W.E. email yielded the WUWT author page for W.E. (another good result). Finally, W.E. climate yielded a CA mirror site article followed by the WUWT author page. Conclusion, Google is biased towards warming alarmists.
I Yandexed koch brothers and Yandex popped me into a captcha page in Russian. I typed in the numbers and got redirected to results which were a New Yorker article on the KB’s war against Obama (no mention of his targeted EPA hit on their Texas refinery) followed by a Koch industries link. More evidence of Google bias.
No letters of Credit. Yer bankrupt, yer can’t meet yer payments.
Get back on yer bikes and if yer mum and dad care go back to yer garage.
Yer got got no credit. Yer lost it on the Ponzi.
I used the search engine in question (GXXXXX) to search for search engines and am happy to report that I did not become trapped in an infinite self-referencing loop, ala Kurt Goedel. 🙂
This link, however, was listed in the top five:
http://www.thesearchenginelist.com/
There are quite a few alternatives.
Nice, short, and to the point.
Cash, no cheque through all clearing houses.
I don’t argue so much with the intent of the post, that 1) the AGW v. Skeptic issue is in fact an attempt to put into place more taxes, or 2) your contention that google should not be taking sides in scientific disputes.
I would suggest, however, the post is entirely too long and begins to resemble a rant rather than calm discourse, therewith actually supporting the contention that those of us who want the science to be foremost, are actually cranks standing in the way of recognition of a problem (which is the way AGW supporters would have us be seen).
I would caution all, science is foremost, but in these unenlightened days ( and the anti-science tact of the AGW folk is unenlightened) we also have to be aware of the need to been seen as calm and rational.
Google like Sir Branson honestly donot believe the AGW tripe. If you deeply honetly believe that CO2 is doing harm you would stop doing anything that contributes to adding CO2, but they don’t.
Branson has not shut down Virgin Airlines and Google assists people use more elecriticity which is mostly made by coal or gas both of which add CO2. These are folks that like control of others and see this as another avenue to control.
Google has made itself the arbiter of truth? Then why do these exist on YouTube?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pleiadians&aq=0s
Google’s “scholar” section apparently wasn’t enough. Wonder why that is?
Also, if we consider the way they knuckled under for China, is this really a surprise?
Corporate and private businesses are free to stand next to any allegiance they want to. I have no problems with that and hope it never changes.
I also believe in my right to stand next to any allegiance I want to. If I want to buy snake oil, send my children’s inheritance to some slick megachurch or commune, or am readily prompted to send chain email lest I call a spell upon myself, I should be allowed to wallow in whatever brilliance or stupidity I choose.
At issue then, is not what my choice is, but whether or not I have access to both brilliant AND stupid information so that I can use my own discernment, be it likewise brilliant or stupid.
In our history, we have many examples of destroyed offices and mangled printing presses as a result of attempting to disseminate information contrary to powerful dominating opposition. That time will come round again and free people must fight for the right to disseminate information contrary to accepted belief.
If Google is filtering information, then game on, but the target needs to change. The line of connection extends upwards beyond Google. To get to Google, we must get to Internet Providers.
Facts are facts.
We are carbon based life forms. There is a roughly 40% increase in plant growth and yield of food crops with a doubling of CO2.
An increase in atmospheric CO2 causes the biosphere to expand not contract.
What scientific issue does Goggle plan to communicate to the general public?
Is the planet’s response to a change in forcing negative (planetary cloud cover increases) or positive? There is scientific evidence to support the negative hypothesis. Should we hide the scientific evidence?
There are multiple papers that show a significant portion of the 20th century warming was due to solar heliosphere modulation of GCR which in turn modulates planetary clouds via two mechanisms: Direct modulation of planetary clouds by GCR level and by solar wind bursts that remove cloud forming ions by the mechanism electroscavenging. Should we hide those papers also?
If there is no risk of danger global warming, should we spend trillions of dollars to fund corrupt governments and companies? What does Goggle advocate should been done and why? There are multiple issues. Is Goggle advocating the “communication” for all issues?
Full arm full harpoon arm, just love me hunting merminks.
One of the best I yam
sHx says:
March 19, 2011 at 5:03 am
A lot about trust.
———————————————————–
Sorry sHx, but if anyone thought this a purely scientific discussion, they were simply misleading themselves.
To your broader question. Are taxes moral? No, but they are necessary for some of the reasons you stated and more. The problem is, currently, there is no more money to be had. Unless you haven’t noticed, our GDP isn’t setting the world on fire. Our debt is around $15 trillion with the only end in sight is a default. Inflation is right around the corner with food and fuel prices leading the way. The reason why we’re here is because of people’s inability to understand that while there is no limit to the amount wealth to be generated, governments don’t generate it. They take from it. We need various social programs and we need the debt payed down and we need to provide for a healthy functioning government and to provide for the defense of this nation. The only way this can be accomplished is through lifting the restraints on economic growth, and it certainly won’t happen with additional constraints. My trust is placed among the people that can see how this alarmist science adversely effects our ability to care for the needy and hungry. Both here and abroad.
James Sexton
The left has taken over a substantial number of trust funds that were founded to spend the money of their founders to benefit humanity. Think the Carnegies and the Rockefellers and the Fords. I don’t think the Mellons have fallen yet.
Now, they are going after the really big money – Gates and Soros and Buffet and the guys who own Google. And, to boot, Google has control of the main information supplier to the world. It is truly a wondrous thing to control the machine that everyone goes to whenever they have a question.
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”
Harpoon aint about questions its about answers.
Blow the gas out of mermink any day.
Google is successful because they make finding information easy and if they screw over users for any reason by impeding their search then they will lose customers and in turn profit. If they depend on government for profit, that profit could vanish in one election.
Speaking for myself, the idea of an advocacy search engine for any reason defeats the primary purpose of the service.
Me and Nemo is mates before the mast.
By the way, online forms of “hands, feet, and facebooks” and circle of friends stuff is an area I avoid like the plague. I get invited to join online “you have been invited to be a friend of [enter name I don’t know]” sites all the time. I plunk that email right into my blocked group and send Norton a “spam” alert. Those sites are just another way for the developers to develop address and information lists for sale.
I am not for sale.