The Cold Equations

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I’ve tried writing this piece several times already. I’ll give it another shot, I haven’t been happy with my previous efforts. It is an important subject that I want to get right. The title comes from a 1954 science fiction story that I read when I was maybe ten or eleven years old. The story goes something like this:

A girl stows away on an emergency space pod taking anti-plague medicine to some planetary colonists. She is discovered after the mother ship has left. Unfortunately, the cold equations show that the pod doesn’t have enough fuel to land with her weight on board, and if they dump the medicine to lighten the ship the whole colony will perish … so she has to be jettisoned through the air lock to die in space.

I was hugely impressed by the story. I liked math in any case, and this was the first time that I saw how equations can provide us with undeniable and unalterable results. And I saw that the equations about available fuel and weight weren’t affected by human emotions, they either were or weren’t true, regardless of how I or anyone might feel about it.

Lately I’ve been looking at the equations used by the AGW scientists and by their models. Figure 1 shows the most fundamental climate equation, which is almost tautologically true:

Figure 1. The most basic climate equation says that energy in equals energy out plus energy going into the ocean. Q is the sum of the energy entering the system over some time period. dH/dt is the change in ocean heat storage from the beginning to the end of the time period. E + dH/dt is the sum of the outgoing energy over the same time period. Units in all cases are zettajoules (ZJ, or 10^21 joules) / year.

This is the same relationship that we see in economics, where what I make in one year (Q in our example) equals what I spend in that year (E) plus the year-over-year change in my savings (dH/dt).

However, from there we set sail on uncharted waters …

I will take my text from HEAT CAPACITY, TIME CONSTANT, AND SENSITIVITY OF EARTH’S CLIMATE SYSTEM, Stephen E. Schwartz, June 2007 (hereinafter (S2007). The study is widely accepted, being cited 193 times. Here’s what the study says, inter alia (emphasis mine).

Earth’s climate system consists of a very close radiative balance between absorbed shortwave (solar) radiation Q and longwave (thermal infrared) radiation emitted at the top of the atmosphere E.

Q ≈ E                                                                       (1)

The global and annual mean absorbed shortwave irradiance Q  = γ J, where γ [gamma] is the mean planetary coalbedo (complement of albedo) and J is the mean solar irradiance at the top of the atmosphere (1/4 the Solar constant) ≈ 343 W m-2. Satellite measurements yield Q ≈ 237 W m-2 [Ramanathan 1987; Kiehl and Trenberth, 1997], corresponding to γ ≈ 0.69. The global and annual mean emitted longwave irradiance may be related to the global and annual mean surface temperature GMST Ts as E = ε σ Ts^4 where ε (epsilon) is the effective planetary longwave emissivity, defined as the ratio of global mean longwave flux emitted at the top of the atmosphere to that calculated by the Stefan-Boltzmann equation at the global mean surface temperature; σ (sigma) is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant.

Within this single-compartment energy balance model [e.g., North et al., 1981; Dickinson, 1982; Hansen et al., 1985; Harvey, 2000; Andreae et al., 2005, Boer et al., 2007] an energy imbalance Q − E arising from a secular perturbation in Q or E results in a rate of change of the global heat content given by

dH/dt = Q – E                                                               (2)

where dH/dt is the change in heat content of the climate system.

Hmmm … I always get nervous when someone tries to slip an un-numbered equation into a paper … but I digress. Their Equation (2) is the same as my Figure 1 above, which was encouraging since I’d drawn Figure 1 before reading S2007. S2007 goes on to say (emphasis mine):

The Ansatz of the energy balance model is that dH/dt may be related to the change in GMST [global mean surface temperature] as

dH/dt = C dTs/dt                          (3)

where C is the pertinent heat capacity. Here it must be stressed that C is an effective heat capacity that reflects only that portion of the global heat capacity that is coupled to the perturbation on the time scale of the perturbation. In the present context of global climate change induced by changes in atmospheric composition on the decade to century time scale the pertinent heat capacity is that which is subject to change in heat content on such time scales. Measurements of ocean heat content over the past 50 years indicate that this heat capacity is dominated by the heat capacity of the upper layers of the world ocean [Levitus et al., 2005].

In other words (neglecting the co-albedo for our current purposes), they are proposing two substitutions in the equation shown in Figure 1. They are saying that

E = ε σ Ts^4

and that

dH/dt = C dTs/dt

which gives them

Q = ε σ Ts^4 + C dTs/dt                     (4)

Figure 2 shows these two substitutions:

Figure 2. A graphic view of the two underlying substitutions done in the “single-compartment energy balance model” theoretical climate explanation. Original equation before substitution is shown in light brown at the lower left, with the equation after substitution below it.

Why are these substitutions important? Note that in Equation (4), as shown in Figure 2, there are only two variables — radiation and surface temperature. If their substitutions are valid, this means that a radiation imbalance can only be rectified by increasing temperature. Or as Dr. Andrew Lacis of NASA GISS recently put it (emphasis mine):

As I have stated earlier, global warming is a cause and effect problem in physics that is firmly based on accurate measurement and well established physical processes. In particular, the climate of Earth is the result of energy balance between incoming solar radiation and outgoing thermal radiation, which, measured at the top of the atmosphere, is strictly a radiative energy balance problem. Since radiative transfer is a well established and well understood physics process, we have accurate knowledge of what is happening to the global energy balance of Earth. And as I noted earlier, conservation of energy leaves no other choice for the global equilibrium temperature of the Earth but to increase in response to the increase in atmospheric CO2.

Dr. Lacis’ comments are an English language exposition of the S2007 Equation (4) above. His statements rest on Equation (4). If Equation (4) is not true, then his claim is not true. And Dr. Lacis’ claim, that increasing GHG forcing can only be balanced by a temperature rise, is central to mainstream AGW climate science.

In addition, there’s a second reason that their substitutions are important. In the original equation, there are three variables — Q, E, and H. But since there are only two variables (Ts and Q) in the S2007 version of the equation, you can solve for one in terms of the other. This allows them to calculate the evolution of the surface temperature, given estimates of the future forcing … or in other words, to model the future climate.

So, being a naturally suspicious fellow, I was very curious about these two substitutions. I was particularly curious because if either substitution is wrong, then their whole house of cards collapses. Their claim, that a radiation imbalance can only be rectified by increasing temperature, can’t stand unless both substitutions are valid.

SUBSTITUTION 1

Let me start with the substitution described in Equation (3):

dH/dt = C dTs/dt                          (3)

The first thing that stood out for me was their description of Equation (3) as “the Ansatz of the energy balance model”.

“And what”, sez I, “is an ‘Ansatz’ when it’s at home?” I’m a self-educated reformed cowboy, it’s true, but a very well-read reformed cowboy, and I never heard of the Ansatz.

So I go to Wolfram’s Mathworld, the internet’s very best math resource, where I find:

Ansatz

An ansatz is an assumed form for a mathematical statement that is not based on any underlying theory or principle.

Now, that’s got to give you a warm, secure feeling. This critical equation, this substitution of the temperature change as a proxy for the ocean heat content change, upon which rests the entire multi-billion-dollar claim that increased GHGs will inevitably and inexorably increase the temperature, is described by an enthusiastic AGW adherent as “not based on any underlying theory or principle”. Remember that if either substitution goes down, the whole “if GHG forcings change, temperature must follow” claim goes down … and for this one they don’t even offer a justification or a citation, it’s merely an Ansatz.

That’s a good thing to know, and should likely receive wider publication …

It put me in mind of the old joke about “How many legs does a cow have if you call a tail a leg?”

“Four, because calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.”

In the same way, saying that the change oceanic heat content (dH/dt) is some linear transformation of the change in surface temperature (C dTs/dt) doesn’t make it so.

In fact, on an annual level the correlation between annual dH/dt and dTs/dt is not statistically significant (r^2=0.04, p=0.13). In addition, the distributions of dH/dt and dTs/dt are quite different, both at a quarterly and an annual level. See Appendix 1 and 4 for details. So no, we don’t have any observational evidence that their substitution is valid. Quite the opposite, there is little correlation between dH/dt and dTs/dt.

There is a third and more subtle problem with comparing dH/dt and dTs/dt. This is that H (ocean heat content) is a different kind of animal from the other three variables Q (incoming radiation), E (outgoing radiation), and Ts (global mean surface air temperature). The difference is that H is a quantity and Q, E, and Ts are flows.

Since Ts is a flow, it can be converted from the units of Kelvins (or degrees C) to the units of watts/square metre (W/m2) using the blackbody relationship σ Ts^4.

And since the time derivative of the quantity H is a flow, dH/dt, we can (for example) compare E + dH/dt to Q, as shown in Figure 1. We can do this because we are comparing flows to flows. But they want to substitute a change in a flow (dT/dt) for a flow (dH/dt). While that is possible, it requires special circumstances.

Now, the change in heat content can be related to the change in temperature in one particular situation. This is where something is being warmed or cooled through a temperature difference between the object and the surrounding atmosphere. For example, when you put something in a refrigerator, it cools based on the difference between the temperature of the object and the temperature of the air in the refrigerator. Eventually, the object in the refrigerator takes up the temperature of the refrigerator air. And as a result, the change in temperature of the object is a function of the difference in temperature between the object and the surrounding air. So if the refrigerator air temperature were changing, you could make a case that dH/dt would be related to dT/dt.

But is that happening in this situation? Let’s have a show of hands of those who believe that as in a refrigerator, the temperature of the air over the ocean is what is driving the changes in ocean heat content … because I sure don’t believe that. I think that’s 100% backwards. However, Schwartz seems to believe that, as he says in discussing the time constant:

… where C’ is the heat capacity of the deep ocean, dH’/dt is the rate of increase of the heat content in this reservoir, and ∆T is the temperature increase driving that heat transfer.

In addition to the improbability of changes in air temperature driving the changes in ocean heat content, the size of the changes in ocean heat content also argues against it. From 1955 to 2005, the ocean heat content changed by about 90 zettajoules. It also changed by about 90 zettajoules from one quarter to the next in 1983 … so the idea that the temperature changes (dT/dt) could be driving (and thus limiting) the changes in ocean heat content seems very unlikely.

Summary of Issues with Substitution 1:   dH/dt = C dT/dt

1. The people who believe in the theory offer no theoretical or practical basis for the substitution.

2. The annual correlation of dH/dt and dT/dt is very small and not statistically significant.

3. Since H is a quantity and T is a flow, there is no a priori reason to assume a linear relationship between the two.

4. The difference in the distributions of the two datasets dH/dt and dT/dt (see Appendix 1 and 4) shows that neither ocean warming nor ocean cooling are related to dT/dt.

5. The substitution implies that air temperature is “driving that heat transfer”, in Schwartz’s words. It seems improbable that the wisp of atmospheric mass is driving the massive oceanic heat transfer changes.

6. The large size of the quarterly heat content changes indicates that the heat content changes are not limited by the corresponding temperature changes.

My conclusion from that summary? The substitution of C dT/dt for dH/dt is not justified by either observations or theory. While it is exceedingly tempting to use it because it allows the solution of the equation for the temperature, you can’t make a substitution just because you really need it in order to solve the equation.

SUBSTITUTION 2: E = ε σ Ts^4

This is the sub rosa substitution, the one without a number. Regarding this one, Schwartz says:

The global and annual mean emitted longwave irradiance may be related to the global and annual mean surface temperature GMST Ts as

E = ε σ Ts^4

where ε (epsilon) is the effective planetary longwave emissivity, defined as the ratio of global mean longwave flux emitted at the top of the atmosphere [TOA] to that calculated by the Stefan-Boltzmann equation at the global mean surface temperature; σ (sigma) is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant.

Let’s unpick this one a little and see what they have done here. It is an alluring idea, in part because it looks like the standard Stefan-Boltzmann equation … except that they have re-defined epsilon ε as “effective planetary emissivity”. Let’s follow their logic.

First, in their equation, E is the top of atmosphere longwave flux, which I will indicate as Etoa to distinguish it from surface flux Esurf. Next, they say that epsilon ε is the long-term average top-of-atmosphere (TOA) longwave flux [ which I’ll call Avg(Etoa) ] divided by the long-term average surface blackbody longwave flux [ Avg(Esurf) ]. In other words:

ε = Avg(Etoa) /Avg(Esurf)

Finally, the surface blackbody longwave flux Esurf is given by Stefan-Boltzmann as

Esurf = σ Ts^4.

Substituting these into their un-numbered Equation (?) gives us

Etoa = Avg(Etoa) / Avg(Esurf) * Esurf

But this leads us to

Etoa / Esurf = Avg(Etoa) / Avg(Esurf)

which clearly is not true in general for any given year, and which is only true for long-term averages. But for long-term averages, this reduces to the meaningless identity Avg(x) / Avg(anything) = Avg(x) / Avg(anything).

Summary of Substitution 2: E = ε σ Ts^4

This substitution is, quite demonstrably, either mathematically wrong or meaninglessly true as an identity. The cold equations don’t allow that kind of substitution, even to save the girl from being jettisoned. Top of atmosphere emissions are not related to surface temperatures in the manner they claim.

My conclusions, in no particular order:

• Obviously, I think I have shown that neither substitution can be justified, either by theory, by mathematics, or by observations.

• Falsifying either one of their two substitutions in the original equation has far-reaching implications.

• At a minimum, falsifying either substitution means that in addition to Q and Ts, there is at least one other variable in the equation. This means that the equation cannot be directly solved for Ts. And this, of course, means that the future evolution of the planetary temperature cannot be calculated using just the forcing.

• In response to my posting about the linearity of the GISS model, Paul_K pointed out the Schwartz S2007 paper. He also showed that the GISS climate model slavishly follows the simple equations in the S2007 paper. Falsifying the substitutions thus means that the GISS climate model (and the S2007 equations) are seen to be exercises in parameter fitting. Yes, they can can give an approximation of reality … but that is from the optimized fitting of parameters, not from a proper theoretical foundation.

• Falsifying either substitution means that restoring radiation balance is not a simple function of surface temperature Ts. This means that there are more ways to restore the radiation balance in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Dr. Lacis …

As always, I put this up here in front of Mordor’s unblinking Eye of the Internet to encourage people to point out my errors. That’s science. Please point them out with gentility and decorum towards myself and others, and avoid speculating on my or anyone’s motives or honesty. That’s science as well.

w.

Appendix 1: Distributions of dH/dt and dT/dt

There are several ways we can see if their substitution of C dT/dt for dH/dt makes sense and is valid. I usually start by comparing distributions. This is because a linear relationship, such as is proposed in their substitution, cannot change the shape of a distribution. (I use violinplots of this kind of data because they show the structure of the dataset. See Appendix 2 below for violinplots of common distributions.)

A linear transformation can make the violinplot of the distribution taller or shorter, and it can move the distribution vertically. (A negative relationship can also invert the distribution about a horizontal axis, but they are asserting a positive relationship).But there is no linear transformation (of the type y = m x + b) that can change the shape of the distribution. The “m x” term changes the height of the violinplot, and the “b” term moves it vertically. But a linear transformation can’t change one shape into a different shape.

First, a bit of simplification. The “” operator indicates “change since time X”. We only have data back to 1955 for ocean heat content. Since the choice of “X” is arbitrary, for this analysis we can say that e.g. ∆T is shorthand for T(t) – T(1955). But for the differentiation operation, this makes no difference, because the T(1955) figure is a constant that drops out of the differentiation. So we are actually comparing dH/dt(annual change in ocean heat content) with C dT/dt (annual change in temperature)

Figure 2 compares the distributions of dH/dt and dT/dt. Figure A1 shows the yearly change in the heat content H (dH/dt) and the yearly change in the temperature T (dT/dt).

Figure A1 Violinplot comparison of the annual changes in ocean heat content dH/dt and annual changes in global surface temperature dT/dt. Width of the violinplot is proportional to the number of observations at that value (density plot). The central black box is a boxplot, which covers the interquartile range (half of the data are within that range). The white dot shows the median value.

In addition to letting us compare the shapes, looking at the distribution lets us side-step all problems with the exact alignment of the data. Alignment can present difficulties, especially when we are comparing a quantity (heat content) and a flow (temperature or forcing). Comparing the distributions avoids all these alignment issues.

With that in mind, what we see in Figure A1 doesn’t look good at all. We are looking for a positive linear correlation between the two datasets, but the shapes are all wrong. For a linear correlation to work, the two distributions have to be of the same shape. But these are of very different shapes.

What do the shapes of these violinplots show?

For the ocean heat content changes, the peak density at ~ – 6 ZJ shows that overall the most common year-to-year change is a slight cooling. When warming occurs, however, it tends to be larger than the cooling. The broad top of the violinplot means that there are an excess of big upwards jumps in ocean heat content.

For the temperature changes, the reverse is true. The most common change is a slight warming of about 0.07°C. There are few examples of large warmings, whereas large coolings are more common. So there will be great difficulties equating a linear transform of the datasets.

The dimensions of the problem become more apparent when we look at the distributions of the increases (in heat content or temperature) versus the distributions of the decreases in the corresponding variables. Figure A2 compares those distributions:

Figure A2. Comparison of the distribution of the increases (upper two panels) and the decreases (lower two panels) in annual heat content and temperature. “Equal-area” violinplots are used.

Here the differences between the two datasets are seen to be even more pronounced. The most visible difference is between the increases. Many of the annual increases of the ocean heat content are large, with a quarter of them more than 20 ZJ/yr and a broad interquartile range (black box, which shows the range of the central half of the data). On the other hand, there are few large increases of the temperature, mostly outliers beyond the upper “whisker” of the boxplot.

The reverse is also true, with most of the heat content decreases being small compared to the corresponding temperature decreases. Remember that a linear transformation such as they propose, of the form (y = m x + b), has to work for both the increases and the decreases … which in this case is looking extremely doubtful.

My interpretation of Figure A2 is as follows. The warming and cooling of the atmosphere is governed by a number of processes that take place throughout the body of the atmosphere (e.g. longwave radiation absorption and emission, shortwave absorption, vertical convection, condensation, polewards advection). The average of these in the warming and cooling directions are not too dissimilar.

The ocean, on the other hand, can only cool by releasing heat from the upper surface. This is a process that has some kind of average value around -8 ZJ/year. The short box of the boxplot (encompassing the central half of data points) shows that the decreases in ocean heat content are clustered around that value.

Unlike the slow ocean cooling, the ocean can warm quickly through the deep penetration of sunlight into the mixed layer. This allows the ocean to warm much more rapidly than it is able to cool. This is why there are an excess of large increases in ocean heat content.

And this difference in the rates of ocean warming and cooling is the fatal flaw in their claim. The different distributions for ocean warming and ocean cooling indicate to me that they are driven by different mechanisms. The Equation (3) substitution seen in S2007 would mean that the ocean warming and cooling can be represented solely by the proxy of changes in surface temperature.

But the data indicates the ocean is warming and cooling without much regard to the change in temperature. The most likely source of this is from sunlight deeply heating the mixed layer. Notice the large number of ocean heat increases greater than 20 ZJ/year, as compared to the scarcity of similarly sized heat losses. The observations show that this (presumably) direct deep solar warming both a) is not a function of the surface temperature, and b) does not affect the surface temperature much. The distributions show that the heat is going into the ocean quickly in chunks, and coming out more slowly and regularly over time.

In summary, the large differences between the distributions of dH/dt and dT/dt, combined with the small statistical correlation between the two, argue strongly against the validity of the substitution.

Appendix 2: Violinplots

I use violinplots extensively because they reveal a lot about the distribution of a dataset. They are a combination of a density plot and a box plot. Figure A3 shows the violin plots and the corresponding simple boxplots for several common distributions.

Figure A3. Violin plots and boxplots. Each plot shows the distribution of 20,000 random numbers generated using the stated distribution. “Normal>0” is a set comprised all of the positive datapoints in the adjacent “Normal” dataset.

Because the violin plot is a density function it “rounds the corners” on the Uniform distribution, as well as the bottoms of the Normal>0 and the Zipf distributions. Note that the distinct shape of the Zipf distribution makes it easy to distinguish from the others.

Appendix 3: The Zipf Distribution

Figure A3. Violinplot of the Zipf distribution for N= 70, s = 0.3. Y-axis labels are nominal values.

The distinguishing characteristics of the Zipf distribution, from the top of Figure A3 down, are:

• An excess of extreme data points, shown in the widened upper tip of the violinplot.

• A “necked down” or at least parallel area below that, where there is little or no data.

• A widely flared low base which has maximum flare not far from the bottom.

• A short lower “whisker” on the boxplot (the black line extending below the blue interquartile box) that extends to the base of the violinplot

• An upper whisker on the boxplot which terminates below the necked down area.

Appendix 4: Quarterly Data

The issue is, can the change in temperature be used as a proxy for the change in ocean heat content? We can look at this question in greater detail, because we have quarterly data from Levitus. We can compare that quarterly heat content data to quarterly GISSTEMP data. Remember that the annual data shown in Figures A1 and A2 are merely annual averages of the quarterly data shown below in Figures A4 and A5. Figure A4 shows the distributions of those two quarterly datasets, and lets us investigate the effects of averaging on distributions:

Figure A4. Comparison of the distribution of the changes in the respective quarterly datasets.

The shape of the distribution of the heat content is interesting. I’m always glad to see that funny kind of shape, what I call a “manta ray” shape, it tells me I’m looking at real data. What you see there is what can be described as a “double Zipf distribution”.

The Zipf distribution is a very common distribution in nature. It is characterized by having a few really, really large excursions from the mean. It is the Zipf distribution that gives rise to the term “Noah Effect”, where the largest in a series of natural events (say floods) is often much, much larger than the rest, and much larger than a normal distribution would allow. Violinplots clearly display this difference in distribution shape, as can be seen in the bottom part of the heat content violinplot (blue) in Figure A4. Appendix 3 shows an example of an actual Zipf distribution with a discussion of the distinguishing features (also shown in Appendix 2):

The “double” nature of the Zipf distribution I commented on above can be seen when we examine the quarterly increases in heat and temperature versus the decreases in heat and temperature, as shown in Figure A5:

Figure A5. Comparison of the distribution of the increases (upper two panels) and the decreases (lower two panels) in quarterly heat content (blue) and quarterly temperature (green)

The heat content data (blue) for both the increases and decreases shows the typical characteristics of a Zipf distribution, including the widened peak, the “necking” below the peak, and the flared base. The lower left panel shows a classic Zipf distribution (in an inverted form).

What do the distributions of the upward and downward movements of the variables in Figure A5 show us? Here again we see the problem we saw in the annual distributions. The distributions for heat content changes are Zipf distributions, and are quite different in shape from the distributions of the temperature changes. Among other differences, the inter-quartile boxes of the boxplots show that the ocean heat content change data is much more centralized than the temperature change data.

In addition, the up- and down- distributions for the temperature changes are at least similar in shape, whereas the shapes of the up- and down- heat content change distributions are quite dissimilar. This difference in the upper and lower distributions is what creates the “manta-ray” shape shown in Figure A4. And the correlation is even worse than with the annual data, that is to say none.

So, as with the annual data, the underlying quarterly data leads us to the same conclusion: there’s no way that we can use dT/dt as a proxy for dH/dt.

Appendix 5: Units

We have a choice in discussing these matters. We can use watts per square metre (W m-2). The forcings (per IPCC) have a change since 1955 of around +1.75 W/m2.

We can also use megaJoules per square metre per year (MJ m-2 y-1). The conversion is:

1 watt per square metre (W m-2) = 1 joule/second per square metre (J sec-1 m-2) times 31.6E6 seconds / year = 31.6 MJ per square metre per year (MJ m-2 yr-1). Changes in forcing since 1955 are about +54 MJ per square metre per year.

Finally, we can use zettaJoules (ZJ, 10^21 joules) per year for the entire globe. The conversion there is

1 W/m2 = 1 joule/second per square metre (J sec-1 m-2) times 31.6E6 seconds / year times 5.11E14 square metres/globe = 16.13 ZJ per year (ZJ yr-1). Changes in forcing since 1955 are about +27 ZJ per year. I have used zettaJoules per year in this analysis, but any unit will do.

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izen
January 30, 2011 10:22 am

@-Alan McIntire says:
January 29, 2011 at 3:49 pm
“The ratio in watts between 37 C and 15 C would be about
(310/288)^4 = 1.342,
A naked 160 lb 5′ 8″ man standing around in 15 C weather would lose
390.7 * 0.342* 86,400*1.86 = 21,473,172 joules /4.186 calories per joule=5,129,759
or 5130 Kcalories per day, a reasonable figure considering most people don’t stand around naked in 15 C weather.”
That you for doing an accurate calculation, I hoped someone would, but didn’t expect it.
In part because it confirms the objection to Willis Eschenbach’s claim that body temperature can be regarded as an energy flow…
As you show here it requires ANOTHER temperature to give a temperature difference before the (net) energy flow can be calculated.
Because we are not standing exposed in deep space with an ambient temperature near 0 deg K we receive back around 80% of the energy we emit. All of the energy we emit from the body surface eventually makes it to space. But the back radiation from the surroundings reduces the net flow of energy to a magnitude were we have some chance of compensating by the metabolic generation of heat from food.
Earlier in the thread someone scorned the idea that drinking cold water would use up calories and prevent obesity. Drinking cold water certainly IS a good method of dropping the core temperature, but recent research may indicate that a warmer enviroment does result in more of the food we eat going into storage than maintaining body temperature. :-
http://www.redonline.co.uk/news-views/in-the-news/central-heating-causes-obesity
Perhaps the next media hyperbole’ would be ‘AGW causes obesity!’…. -grin-

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
January 30, 2011 11:43 am

From Laurie Bowen on January 29, 2011 at 11:26 am:

Without a camera, how do you prove a bird just flew by?

The feathers and meaty chunks falling down near the base of the wind turbine constitute definitive proof.
So does the easily-recognizable whitish mostly-liquid blob that just splat on my car. The bird must have been flying as there are no trees or power lines nearby for it to have been roosting on.
The hole in the old window screen can be considered proof that a bird flew into the house, there were feathers nearby. Currently I can’t find anything else that could have done it. Can’t find the bird either, guess the cats are transforming it into energy and mostly other substances.
And thus go the major forms of particle detection in nuclear physics.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
January 30, 2011 12:54 pm

Jeff said on January 30, 2011 at 9:45 am:

this assumption that the Earths core generates no energy is interesting … false but interesting ….

Who said that? The issue is that as far as Earth’s climate is concerned, the heat from the core is negligible. There are vast reserves built up, and more heat is being generated, but at a very slow rate. And this layer of solidified rocky scum, the crust, is a good bulk insulator on the scale involved, with the rate of heat transfer being incredibly low.
Just look at how the winter temperatures go. Here on the surface they can be running around 20 to -40°F here in the mid-latitudes, yet you can dig down into the ground just 10 or so feet and have temperatures around 50°F, all year long. This is true even in the Arctic, might have to go down just a little bit further. Does that indicate we’re getting enough heat to the surface from the core to matter?

izen
January 30, 2011 1:15 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
January 30, 2011 at 12:26 pm
“OK, I seem to be caught in a semantic question here. Let me rephrase and say that
σ T^4 is a flow, and that Q is a flow, and that E is a flow, but that Q is not a flow. Can you speak to that issue?”
Not sure the second part of the sentence makes sense…
But σ T^4 is NOT a flow. A flow only happens across a boundary with two different temperatures. Energy does not flow from one part of your body to another if they are both at 37degC.
T^4 is just one term required to define a flow, another temperature is required to calculate the magnitude of that flow across the boundary where the temperature difference exists. All this omits any contribution from conduction to energy flows, it is concerned only with how the random kinetic energy of the molecules/atoms of a physical object relate to its emission of photon energy because of quantum effects.
Only in the exceptional case of the other temperature at the boundary being absolute zero – 0degK is (σ T^4) sufficient to describe the flow of energy.

KR
January 30, 2011 1:49 pm

Willis – In my last posting I believe I went a bit off topic, digging into the Schwartz paper you mentioned. Your actual objection, I believe, is to the use of the E = ε σ Ts^4 equation?
From basic conservation of energy, if E[in] != E[out], there will be a change in internal energy, energy in the climate, which will manifest as a change in temperature. There’s a huge limiting feedback on that temperature change, the T^4 temperature relationship with energy emitted (IR to space), so it doesn’t take a lot of temperature change to make a fairly significant change in energy emitted.
Now, the Stefan-Boltzmann relationship you seem to have issues with, E = ε σ Ts^4, or more properly E = ε σ (Ts^4 – Tspace^4), expressed as a per square meter value, is about as basic and established as thermodynamics gets. The factor ε discussed by Schwartz as a relative value is simply the simplified relationship between surface temperatures and what we see emitted to space from satellite measurements.
Now, that’s not, perhaps, the most accurate value – the realistic and more accurate results come from line-by-line computation across the depth of the atmosphere (with checks coming from real measurements, radiosondes, TOA values, etc.), starting from basic physics. This, not incidentally, is equivalent to performing a Runge-Kutta numeric integration (something I’ve done repeatedly) of a function that doesn’t have an analytic (symbolic) solution – work it through line by line, add up the incremental results, and see what you get. And what you get for a doubling of CO2 (which decreases total emissivity of the Earth through band widening and raising the effective stratospheric altitude of final emission to space, meaning it comes from colder CO2) is a radiative imbalance of ~3.7W/m^2. Which would lead (without feedbacks) to a temperature rise of 1.1C.
That’s starting from basic physics, checked against measurements of surface and TOA values. There’s your theoretic support – if you find issues with the SB equations and the last 100 years of physics, then by all means publish it!
As to the “heating in the pipeline” (I’ve always hated that expression; I would prefer “heating we expect to occur”) heating – that’s the heat we expect to see (but haven’t yet) due to the changes in the climate system, that will have to accumulate before the long term temps stop changing. That energy isn’t all here yet. Some is, some doesn’t seem to be (the Trenberth “missing heat”), and as I said earlier that indicates either an error in our math, or limits of our measurements.
But if you want real-world measurements, take a look at http://www-argo.ucsd.edu/levitus_2009_figure.jpg and http://www.argo.ucsd.edu/global_change_analysis.html#temp – sure looks like a somewhat noisy measure of continuing warming to me. And the thermal expansion reflects that as well – see http://academics.eckerd.edu/instructor/hastindw/MS1410-001_FA08/handouts/2008SLRSustain.pdf in particular Figure 3a.
Personally, I find basing billion dollar decisions on hiding from observations and the well understood science to be a very sad thing.
Science ain’t perfect, it never has been – certainty is for religion. I don’t know that a rock dropped from my hand will fall the next time. But would it be reasonable to base my decisions on hoping it won’t?

RobM
January 30, 2011 4:57 pm

Willis,
Sorry my last post was a bit too quick and not well thought out. I have now read the paper. I think that what threw me and many others off is this. There are really two different temperatures involved here. One is Ts the effective radiating temperature of the surface. The definition of Ts is not given in the paper. But to be the radiative temperature it must be the temperature within a mm or less of the surface. Another temperature (shall we call it Tv) used but not even explicitly named is the average temperature over the ocean averaged over the world to some poorly determined depth (order ~ 100M stated in the paper). Simply saying that average heat energy is proportional to average T gives H=CTv ( definition of C if you like). from this it trivially follows that dH/dt=CdTv/dt The ‘ansatz’ is actually that one may say dTv/dt=dTs/dt and then use the same symbol for both Ts and Tv Wow!! what a ‘trick’. This equality seems very unlikely specifically because of the large difference in time variation to be expected between the two. The measurements cited essentially show that this assumption is very inaccurate.

RobM
January 30, 2011 7:08 pm

KR says, That’s starting from basic physics.
Yes That is basic physics, but the basic physics issues are not the problem. The basic radiation / absorption effects were worked out a century ago and more accurate calculations are not improving things much. The problem is the fact that these (accurate) radiation calculations are done with a way oversimplified model of the world. To improve on the understanding the ‘physics’ is not basic. To become more accurate the model now needs to account for all the effects of global convection (vertical and horizontal) the ‘one compartment’ model discussed on this for sure won’t cut it.
Fixation on ‘global average’ anything is probably the wrong approach. With all the dynamics going on, delta T’ in tens of k day to night region to region, Atmospheric water content varying drastically in time and space. You cant just average all this nonlinear stuff and expect to get tenth degree accurate models.
It is just as likely that the ‘local’ effects circulations etc have more effect on global mean temp than global mean temp has on them. These effects are driven by differences in pressure, temperature etc. Which, in turn are driven by things like non uniform insolation. Since Co2 tends to be more uniformly distributed it could reduce these pole to equator differences. (reduced heat loss from the low h2o polar regions) Will this cool or warm the planet? Who knows but we won’t find out with radiation heat transfer solutions alone.

January 30, 2011 8:39 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
January 28, 2011 at 5:08 pm
A number of people have said that temperature is not a flow. However, temperature can be converted to the equivalent blackbody radiation flow using the familiar Stefan-Boltzmann formula.
Think about it this way. My body is at about 37°C. Like anything at that temperature, there is a constant flow of radiative energy emanating from my body, 525 W/m2. How, then, is a temperature of 37°C not equivalent to a flow of 525 W/m2?

Simply because it isn’t. Let’s consider an equivalent argument:
Voltage is equivalent to current.
How so?
Well voltage can be converted to current by the relationship V = IR.
I hear you object, hang on, what about R? Different Rs give different Is for the same V, so the analogy is not correct.
But, I reply, neither does your equation give the same flow for a given temperature, because no real body is a black body. Your body will have some a different radiation because of the emissivity, which, although it is a constant for your body, is a material property of the body, not a universal constant, and in that sense is exactly like R, which is also a property of the body through which current passes.
So if you insist that T is a flow, one can equally insist that voltage is a current. It is a question of word usage, but for me it is a highly confusing usage that could not be successfully sustained throughout all of physics. Can you imagine the confusion if people habitually referred to voltage measurements as current measurements? The same applies here, as the many comments from confused readers shows. Temperature is a potential, like voltage, and the flow in each case (whether radiation or current respectively), while it depends upon the potential, is not a potential in either case. The potential determines the flow but it is not equivalent to the flow.

HR
January 31, 2011 2:29 am

willis,
The violin plots look interesting but I’m struggling with their interpretation. It seems quite subjective!
Things are “quite dissimilar” etc. How similar would things have to be for you to describe them as “quite similar”? Maybe better is there anyway of objectively quantify the similarity? What might help me is if you showed something that does correlate such as detrended ENSO and temperature. What would that comparsion look like? Nobody would expect the correlation between two climate data sets to be perfect so subject descriptions seems problematic.

RobM
January 31, 2011 9:03 am

Willis,
This discussion about flows T etc prompted me to go back to a good thermodynamics text. Zemansky, ‘Heat and Thermodynamics’ fourth Edition McGraw-Hill, 1957. Sorry that I am reluctant to scan and post the relevant page. But on page 72 there is a figure, which, I maintain is the proper diagram for Schwartz’ ‘Single compartment’ model. Make the resistive heater into Solar input, Cooler surroundings into ‘Radiation’ into space and the make Zemansky’s ‘system’ box the top layer (~100 M) of the ocean. The T^4 stuff just gives some (poor) tie to reality. Schwartz may have done some perturbation type analysis to relate an expansion of T^4 around some T0 to get a physical approximation, but he does not say so. In the end the model is just assumes a linear relationship between ‘radiated’ energy and temperature.
The equation below figure 4.6 in Zemansky is essentially the one used in Schwartz
Zemansky’s equation is dQ=dQ1-dQ2=CpdT

Laurie Bowen
January 31, 2011 9:43 am

Jim Masterson said:
Pi is an irrational number; therefore it can’t equal a rational number like 22/7. It’s also transcendental, but that is really going OT.
Jim, If you work on base 7 it is always fine. . . . That is why, in my itty bitty brain a complete circle is 360 degrees even it is an oval. For example, a year is 365.25 days but it is still 360 degrees . . . Irrational in this case, is an illusion, or relative. . . .
PS. . . I thought this observation was to be forth coming . . . . at least by someone.

KR
January 31, 2011 10:08 am

Willis – The “effective planetary emissivity” is a useful parametrization of how much energy leaves the Earth for space. It’s measurable, computable, and demonstrable.
We also know how increasing greenhouse gases will change the effective emissivity, at least in terms of direct forcings/imbalances in radiation to/from the planet. (Feedbacks, of course, are a different matter entirely; a great deal of uncertainty there.) Looking at TOA satellite spectra from the Earth shows the distinctive notches from greenhouse gases reducing IR emissions to space – and with some of the spectra suppressed in this manner, the entire spectra must be higher (from a warmer surface) to radiate the same amount of energy as without the GHG’s.
There’s nothing wrong with a trivial identity – especially if it’s a useful one. If that useful number changes, we can expect long term changes in the temperature of the climate.
I’m sorry you don’t like the effective planetary emissivity – but it’s a really useful relation.

George E. Smith
January 31, 2011 11:12 am

“”””” KR says:
January 31, 2011 at 10:08 am
Willis – The “effective planetary emissivity” is a useful parametrization of how much energy leaves the Earth for space. It’s measurable, computable, and demonstrable. “””””
Well I have no earthly idea what the word “parametrization” means; well actually that’s a statement that the word has no meaning to me. I know what “parametric equations” are; for example the set:-
x = Cos (theta) ; y = Cos (n.theta) is a parametric equation form for the Tchebychev Polynomials; y = Tn(x) in terms of the parameter (theta). This form is valid only for the range -1 to +1 for x and y , or theta = 0 to 2 pi (radians).
The non parametric forms would be:- T0(x) = 1 , T1(x) = x , T2(x) = 2.x^2 -1 etc.
Or in general one could have:- F(xyp) = 0 where p is a parameter that is set for any specific xy function; and of course one could have higher order sets with multiple parameters ( p)i .
But “Effective Planetary Emissivity” would not in any case be a measure of “how much energy leaves earth for space.” ; because that would not include any albedo effect, which is solar spectrum energy that is incident on planet earth; but is scattered or reflected out into space; but is in no way emitted by earth.
Emissivity is a specifically defined measure that relates the emittance of an actual physical body, to that of a black body at the same Temperature; both emitting thermal radiation, that is entirely a consequence of the Temperature of that body.

George E. Smith
January 31, 2011 11:36 am

“”””” Willis Eschenbach says:
January 30, 2011 at 8:31 pm
KR says:
January 30, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Willis – In my last posting I believe I went a bit off topic, digging into the Schwartz paper you mentioned. Your actual objection, I believe, is to the use of the E = ε σ Ts^4 equation?
From basic conservation of energy, if E[in] != E[out], there will be a change in internal energy, energy in the climate, which will manifest as a change in temperature. There’s a huge limiting feedback on that temperature change, the T^4 temperature relationship with energy emitted (IR to space), so it doesn’t take a lot of temperature change to make a fairly significant change in energy emitted.
Now, the Stefan-Boltzmann relationship you seem to have issues with, E = ε σ Ts^4, or more properly E = ε σ (Ts^4 – Tspace^4), “””””
“”””” or more properly E = ε σ (Ts^4 – Tspace^4), “””””
Now I have a problem with that. The “Stefan-Boltzmann” relationship gives the total emittance of a black body as a function of its Temperature and nothing else. The total emittance of a black body is in no way affected by the Temperature of “space” or anything else; only the Temperature of the black body.
If you want to say that the net energy loss from a black body radiating into space is:- “”””” E = ε σ (Ts^4 – Tspace^4), “””, then you should say that; not that it is the effective emittance given by the S-B relationship.
For a start, the Temperature of space is somewhat variable, depending on where you look. presumably it is somewhere in that 3K range they talk about. A 3 K “black body” would be emitting a completely different spectrum from a BB at say 288 or 255 or some other imagined earth Temperature. If this sytem was totally in equilibrium, the the earth would have to also be emitting that same 3K spectrum back into space. Well of course it isn’t and it can’t; and it isn’t in thermal equilibrium anyway; which is why it is emitting far more energy than it receives from space (not counting that sun that is out there in space).
The emittance of a BB does not depend on what radiation is hitting it; it depends only on the Temperature of the body.

KR
January 31, 2011 11:51 am

George E. Smith – IR emissions to space don’t include albedo reflections – the solar spectrum has almost no IR at all, and it’s actually quite easy to account for albedo. That’s energy not absorbed in the first place.
The “effective planetary emissivity” describes the amount of energy emitted as thermal IR to space by Earth at a particular temperature, and has been measured at about 0.62 relative to a black-body. Increasing GHG’s lower that emissivity.
Any measure of emissivity needs to account for the temperature of the emitting body and the integral of energy across the (occasionally complex) emission spectra relative to a black-body. The top of atmosphere number for that, given a surface temperature, summarizes that spectra and is about 0.62.

peter2108
January 31, 2011 12:01 pm

“Perhaps you could give us a useful, non-trivial identity … and while you are at it, please give us an example of an identity which is subject to “long term changes” …”
Well for the first: the morning star = the evening star or tully = cicero

Steve
January 31, 2011 1:35 pm

KR says:
January 31, 2011 at 11:51 am
“The “effective planetary emissivity” describes the amount of energy emitted as thermal IR to space by Earth at a particular temperature, and has been measured at about 0.62 relative to a black-body. Increasing GHG’s lower that emissivity.”
I think you’ve got a typo or something there. Increasing GHGs should increase energy emitted as thermal IR to space, right? (after heat capacity is reached) Otherwise the atmosphere hasn’t increased in temperature.

In Burrito
January 31, 2011 3:29 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
January 30, 2011 at 1:16 pm
KR says:
January 29, 2011 at 12:11 pm

I followed up on (not being a German speaker) the various definitions of “Ansatz” – the primary one used in physics and math I found was “an educated guess that is verified later by its results”. Hardly the horror you describe. I think we would have to ask Schwartz which definition he was using before judging that term.
If that were the case, you’d expect them to provide the verification that dH/dt actually is equal to C dT/dt. But they don’t. Nor do you. So we’re back to just an “educated guess”, which is basically what the definition I used says.
Cp = dH/dT *by definition*. Therefore, dH/dt = Cp dH/dt. There is absolutely no arguing the mathematical validity of this. To be techically correct, Cp *is* a function of temperature; however, over the few degrees that the temperature is varying, Cp can be reasonably taken as a constant.
Discussion of this requires absolute precision. We’re discussing the energy balance of the earth which is basically Power In – Power Out = Rate of Energy Accumulation. Power In is incoming light unreflected (by clouds) sunlight. Power Out is infrared radiation (driven by T^4). Rate of Energy Accumulated is m Cp dT/dt of the upper layer of the oceans where m is the mass of this layer. I’m using “Power” instead of “Energy” because we’re talking about *rates* of energy transfer, and power is energy per unit time.
The reason that climatologists use “x” meters of the ocean surface for “m” is that its thermal mass is much greater than the atmosphere. The dT in the accumulation term is the change in water temperature as there is a net accumulation (or loss) of energy stored in the oceans (NOT the difference in air and water temperature). I’m guessing that heating of land surfaces is also neglected because heat only penetrates to a very shallow depth. Geothermal energy, etc. are neglected as well (I assume) because they are small compared to sunlight and IR.
Now if you want to debate the validity of the choice of control volume (i.e. the ocean surface layer), that’s fine. It’s absolutely fair game to challenge simplifying assumptions that go into a model. But there is *no basis* for questioning the mathematical validity of dH/dT = Cp dT/dt.