Clean Coal (Say WATT?) – Our Energy Future

Guest Post by Ira Glickstein

The December 2010 issue of the Atlantic shows an amazing turn-around by some of the Global Warming warmists! Yes, they are still tuned in to the CAGW crowd predicting imminent climate change disaster, but … BUT, some have reversed themselves on their previous ‘ol devil coal! Turns out we need coal to generate Watts of electricity for our electric cars and, they say, we can do it in a way that is environmentally correct.

The cover story, by respected author James Fallows, is titled Why the Future of Clean Energy is Dirty Coal. {Click the link to read it free online.}

Recall that, only last year, a leading alarmist, NASA’s James Hansen, one of the key science advisors on Al Gore’s The Inconvenient Truth movie, wrote:

“..coal is the single greatest threat to civilization and all life on our planet. … The dirtiest trick that governments play on their citizens is the pretense that they are working on ‘clean coal’… The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death.” 

Fallows writes:

“To environmentalists, ‘clean coal’ is an insulting oxymoron. But for now, the only way to meet the world’s energy needs, and to arrest climate change before it produces irreversible cataclysm, is to use coal—dirty, sooty, toxic coal— …” 

Amazingly, while atmospheric CO2 is still the bogeyman of what alarmists say is an imminent Global Warming disaster, coal, which is nearly all carbon and generates CO2 when burned as intended, is part of the solution! Fallows writes:

Before James Watt invented the steam engine in the late 1700s—that is, before human societies had much incentive to burn coal and later oil in large quantities—the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was around 280 parts per million, or ppm … By 1900, as Europe and North America were industrializing, it had reached about 300 ppm.

Now the carbon-dioxide concentration is at or above 390 ppm, which is probably the highest level in many millions of years. “We know that the last time CO2 was sustained at this level, much of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets were not there,” Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Penn State, told me. Because of the 37 billion annual tons of carbon-dioxide emissions, the atmospheric carbon-dioxide level continues to go up by about two ppm a year. For perspective: by the time today’s sixth-graders finish high school, the world carbon-dioxide level will probably have passed 400 ppm, and by the time most of them are starting families, it will have entered the 420s. …

Michael Mann told me. “What we have with rising CO2 levels in general is a dramatically increasing probability of serious and deleterious change in our climate.” He went down the list: more frequent, severe, and sustained heat waves, like those that affected Russia and the United States this summer; more frequent and destructive hurricanes and floods; more frequent droughts, like the “thousand-year drought” that has devastated Australian agriculture; and altered patterns of the El Niño phenomenon, which will change rainfall patterns in the Americas. …

You should recognize Michael Mann as the creator of the deceptive “hockey stick curve” at the center of many of the Climategate emails. (See this and this and this and this.) Note also the standard line that, whatever happens to the weather: hotter, colder, dryer, wetter, stormy, calm, sunny, cloudy, … whatever, it is all due to high CO2 levels (even if they don’t plow your streets after a blizzard :^)

So, what is the solution? Fallows writes:

Isn’t “clean energy” the answer? Of course—because everything is the answer. The people I spoke with and reports I read differed in emphasis, sometimes significantly. Some urged greater stress on efficiency and conservation; some, a faster move toward nuclear power or natural gas; some, an all-out push for solar power and other renewable sources …

Note the mention of nuclear, also a bogeyman of the green crowd until a few years ago. In this regard much of the world is ahead of us. When I bicycled in France a few years ago, you could see nuclear power plant cooling towers in much of the countryside (except near Paris – I guess that is where the professional environmentalists live) and France generates most of its electricity using nuclear energy. It will take the US quite a while to catch up, but it is good to see a mainstream liberal literary magazine starting to lead the way. The above paragraph also mentions natural gas, a fossil fuel, ahead of “solar power and other renewable sources” stuck in at the end. It seems they finally realize that we need energy and, at least for the next decades, it will continue to be coal, burned in a cleaner way, plus nuclear and natural gas.

Fallows continues:

“Emotionally, we would all like to think that wind, solar, and conservation will solve the problem for us,” David Mohler of Duke Energy told me. “Nothing will change, our comfort and convenience will be the same, and we can avoid that nasty coal. Unfortunately, the math doesn’t work that way.”…

Coal will be with us because it is abundant: any projected “peak coal” stage would come many decades after the world reaches “peak oil.” It will be with us because of where it’s located: the top four coal-reserve countries are the United States, Russia, China, and India, which together have about 40 percent of the world’s population and more than 60 percent of its coal. …

“I know this is a theological issue for some people,” Julio Friedmann of Lawrence Livermore said. “Solar and wind power are going to be important, but it is really hard to get them beyond 10 percent of total power supply.” …

What would progress on coal entail? The proposals are variations on two approaches: ways to capture carbon dioxide before it can escape into the air and ways to reduce the carbon dioxide that coal produces when burned. In “post-combustion” systems, the coal is burned normally, but then chemical or physical processes separate carbon dioxide from the plume of hot flue gas that comes out of the smokestack. Once “captured” as a relatively pure stream of carbon dioxide, this part of the exhaust is pressurized into liquid form and then sold or stored. …

“Pre-combustion” systems are fundamentally more efficient. In them, the coal is treated chemically to produce a flammable gas with lower carbon content than untreated coal. This means less carbon dioxide going up the smokestack to be separated and stored.

Either way, pre- or post-, the final step in dealing with carbon is “sequestration”—doing something with the carbon dioxide that has been isolated at such cost and effort, so it doesn’t just escape into the air. … All larger-scale, longer-term proposals for storing carbon involve injecting it deep underground, into porous rock that will trap it indefinitely. In the right geological circumstances, the captured carbon dioxide can even be used for “enhanced oil recovery,” forcing oil out of the porous rock into which it is introduced and up into wells.

According to Fallows, China is in the lead on this clean coal technology, with help from American and other western corporations. While it is good that at least some of the Global Warming alarmists are warming up to coal as a necessary part of the solution, it would be better IMHO, if they were also more realistic about the actual dangers of climate change and the likelihood (again IMHO) that most of the warming of the past century is due to natural cycles not under human control and that we are likely already in a multi-decade period of stable temperatures, and perhaps a bit of cooling.

Yes, I think we need to do something about the unprecedented steady rise in CO2 levels, but we have to do it is a way that will not destroy our economies or force us to drastically reduce our lifestyles. One thing I agree with James Hansen about is that an across-the-board carbon tax, assessed equally against all sequestered fuels (coal, oil, natural gas) and collected at the mine, well, or port, is the best solution, far more suitable to the task than the “cap and trade” political scam, and more likely to work.

Rather than have governments pick winners (and mess up as they did with corn ethanol subsidies that raised food prices and reduced gas mileage without doing much to control CO2 emissions) I prefer to tax carbon progressively a bit more each year and let industry and other users decide for themselves how to adapt to the higher prices. Nothing stimulates action and invention like saving your own money. Nothing wastes money like government taking money from “Mr. A” and giving it to “Mr. B” for the “good of society”.

I’m working on a future posting that will propose use of gassified coal along with enhanced CO2 farming as a clean coal implementation that may make sense in a decade or so. I hope to post it next week.

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Another story in the same issue of the Atlantic is about famed physicist Freeman Dyson and The Danger of Cosmic Genius.{Click the link to read it free online.}

They write:

In the range of his genius, Freeman Dyson is heir to Einstein—a visionary who has reshaped thinking in fields from math to astrophysics to medicine, and who has conceived nuclear-propelled spaceships designed to transport human colonists to distant planets. And yet on the matter of global warming he is, as an outspoken skeptic, dead wrong: wrong on the facts, wrong on the science. How could someone as smart as Dyson be so dumb about the environment?

Does it occur to them that the CAGW warmists and alarmists may be the ones who are wrong?

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Vince Causey
December 31, 2010 8:28 am

From what I understand, the world slowly sequesters CO2 into sedimentary rocks, which drives atmospheric levels down, until geologic events release the sequestered gas back into the atmosphere. CO2 has varied over the earth’s geological past, usually above 1000ppm. What is trully remarkable, is that at no time have CO2 levels dropped to the lows seen during the Pleistocene – 180 ppm. It seems as if CO2 was being sequestered continually since the Eocene with not counteracting process to replenish th Earth’s atmosphere. One of the consequences of this abrupt decline was the evolution of the C4 pathway in plants, eg grasses.
How did our planet reach this state of affairs? Has there been a dearth of geological activity that should have replenished our atmosphere? Whatever the reason, the Earth’s atmosphere had become impoverished. If humans have done anything at all to benefit the biosphere, it is the slight enrichment of the atmosphere. One day in the future, when black is no longer white, people will look back in amazement at how their ancestors thought this enrichment was a bad thing. I am amazed now.

December 31, 2010 8:29 am

John M.-
Thanks for correcting me on the overall number of 20%, but you are still wrong on your numbers and miss the point of the post (BTW at the end of 2011 MAE will get almost ~20% from wind and ~6% from other renewables). The point is, doing renewables can be done economically, or I highly doubt Berkshire Hathaway would be doing it. You state that MidAmerican Energy’s mix is different from what it is, your link states:
“At the end of 2009, MidAmerican had available nearly 7,200 megawatts of generating capability: approximately 52 percent fueled by coal; 21 percent natural gas and oil; 20 percent wind, hydroelectric and biomass; and 7 percent by nuclear. Production costs at our coal-fueled generation stations are lower than regional and national averages. The company has majority ownership in five of the six jointly owned coal-fueled generating stations in Iowa.”
THAT IS AT THE END OF 2009. How much of that is wind? 900 MegaWatts of 7,200 or 12.5%.
MidAmerica just announced an additional 593 MW of wind, for a total of approximate 1600 MW:
http://midamericanenergy.com/wind/news.aspx
This takes their wind amount to about 20%.
Guess you are wrong, and that maybe wind must be pretty reliable out here on the plains, or I guess my complete lack of brownouts or power issues here in Iowa (and few blackouts even during thunderstorms) proves that MidAmerican Energy is really a crappy provider, or does it prove the opposite.
Again, I’ll take Warren Buffet over you James, sorry, the differential kinda speaks for itself.

old engineer
December 31, 2010 8:30 am

tarpon says:
December 31, 2010 at 4:49 am
Why no nuclear power is a mystery. It would seem if you worship at the feet of the God of global warming caused by CO2, then nuclear power would be your savior. ’cause it sure isn’t wind and solar power that you should be worshiping.
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I used to wonder the same thing. Nuclear is answer, why don’t they see that?
Then I realized that the reason is- it is the answer. With nuclear there is no more problem : no more feeling good about rallying to save the earth, no more demonstrations to attend, no more publicity. In short back to a boring life, with no purpose. Why would they want to solve the problem?

Christopher
December 31, 2010 8:36 am

[Snip. Read the Policy page. Calling others “deniers,” “denialists,” etc. will get your post snipped. ~dbs, mod.]

latitude
December 31, 2010 8:43 am

Ira Glickstein, PhD says:
December 31, 2010 at 7:35 am
As a matter of fact, I do not favor artificial re-sequestration of carbon. Wait till my next Guest Post, in about a week, for the brilliant (if I have to say so myself :^) conceptual solution.
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Ira, I’ll be looking forward to reading it.
Hopefully someone can explain to me why we would want to lower CO2 levels at all.
It’s obvious that this planet is naturally sequestering CO2 at a higher rate than it’s being replaced. CO2 levels have been falling.
CO2 levels at a little over 250 ppm have been shown to slow down, and in some cases stop some plants from growing. 1200 – 1500 ppm has been shown to be “optimum” for plant growth.
So considering that we are only about 100 ppm above the minimum acceptable level for CO2, why would any sane person want to lower CO2 levels?

JudyW
December 31, 2010 8:52 am

Unintended consequences of carbon sequestoring include contamination of the groundwater (a little gin with that tonic water? ) rendering drinking water unusable and contamination of soil via chemical reaction with C02 as it makes its way back to the surface.
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/gperidas/carbon_sequestration_and_groun.html

John M
December 31, 2010 8:52 am

Brad says:
December 31, 2010 at 8:29 am

Guess you are wrong, and that maybe wind must be pretty reliable out here on the plains, or I guess my complete lack of brownouts or power issues here in Iowa (and few blackouts even during thunderstorms) proves that MidAmerican Energy is really a crappy provider, or does it prove the opposite.

Brad, do you have any idea what the difference between “capacity” and “actual generation” is?
If you are really here to learn, you might want to review this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacity_factor
And thanks for reminding me about MidAmerica’s nuclear capacity. Taking capacity factors into account, it looks like their actual energy generation is >90% fossil fuel and nuclear.

TimM
December 31, 2010 9:00 am

http://www.physorg.com/news63382590.html
Great article about the options. “The burning of coal in oxygen is a near-term solution that with current knowledge can produce exhaust streams that are close to pure CO2, says Shaddix. Harmful pollutants like nitrogen oxides, sulfur compounds, and mercury are virtually eliminated.”
So we can eliminate REAL pollutants and be left with exhaust that is pure CO2! Oh wait that is an evil pollutant (NOT!). So forget that idea and just tell everyone in the world to stop using the most plentiful fuel around. Sigh. After 4 hundred years of burning coal to power our world we finally figure out how to do it cleanly and yet that isn’t good enough.
That article was from 2006. Between oxy-combustion of coal and natural gas (conventional and shale) we have more than enough energy to power ourselves through the next minimum (Dalton or worse). Throw in some new LiFTR reactors and we are good to go for the base load. The renewables can fit in around that and as they improve and become cost effective we’ll use them.
I know, it’ll never happen. Way too practical.

Christopher
December 31, 2010 9:05 am

The variety of opinions on how to deal with climate change is different from the consensus on the science and facts.
Scientists, activists and other individuals have always had many different opinions on whether CCS is feasible on the scale required, whether nuclear is a responsible alternative, and how long it will take us to transition from coal and other fossil fuels to other energy sources. This is not surprising, nor is the fact that we will have to live with coal, natural gas, and other ‘dirty’ fuels for a long time, since any transition will not be instantaneous.
Incidentally, this post and the comments raise many common objections to climate change science. Every significant argument I have read here is addressed in this handy list backed with numerous references to primary sources.

Werner Brozek
December 31, 2010 9:09 am

It has not been proven that increasing amounts of CO2 can lead to dangerous runaway global warming. And even if this were to be the case, the effect of added CO2 is logarithmic which even the IPCC agrees with. To see an illustration of the logarithmic effect, or law of diminishing returns as an economist may call it, see page 8 in the following: http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarming/the_skeptics_handbook_2-3_lq.pdf
So carbon capture is a total waste of money. Besides, it may not even be viable. See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/apr/25/research-viabilty-carbon-capture-storage?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Some quotes from the above:
“The document from Houston University claims that governments wanting to use CCS have overestimated its value and says it would take a reservoir the size of a small US state to hold the CO2 produced by one power station.
Previous modeling has hugely underestimated the space needed to store CO2 because it was based on the “totally erroneous” premise that the pressure feeding the carbon into the rock structures would be constant,… “

David Ball
December 31, 2010 9:19 am

JudyW has revealed the next big scare tactic; poisoned water. The AGW meme is failing, ocean acidification is failing, the polar bears have failed, so now what? Oh yeah, the life giving water. Watch for the headlines to tell us that is how we are all going to die.

December 31, 2010 9:21 am

Two points: Firstly, cleaning the components in a chemical process, or separating the good from the bad components, is a big part of what chemical engineers do. The chemical engineers know exactly what to do and how to do it to make coal-burning as clean as anyone could want. That is not the difficult part. Making coal-burning clean at a reasonable cost is the very difficult part.
Secondly, physical sequestration of CO2 is a most unwise and dangerous thing to do. Once the lawsuits begin from personal injury or property destruction due to sequestered CO2 that “gets away,” things will get very interesting. Chemically binding the CO2 into a stable solid is far better. Nature has been doing that for millenia; we call one of the end-products “limestone.”

Vince Causey
December 31, 2010 9:25 am

Ira wrote
“Given an across-the-board tax, each person and industry will make fossil fuel reduction decisions (or not) according to their own benefit.”
What you are advocating is rationing by price. The poor will suffer most. In the UK the number of families defined as living in ‘fuel poverty’ is increasing due to renewable subsidies. Slapping a tax on carbon to force poor people to make a ‘fossil fuel reduction decision’ is a euphemism for freezing so they can buy food.
Now, I expect you will say something like ‘well, the tax will be small to start with so the poor won’t be so inconvenienced, and over time innovation will increase energy efficiency.’ Well, as Jevon’s showed, as efficiency increases, more energy is demanded. I suppose your answer is to continue to ratchet up tax to ensure that the poor can never demand the energy they would without the tax.
If that’s your vision of the future, then you can count me out.

December 31, 2010 9:26 am

Christopher,
Go through the WUWT archives, and you will see that your talking points have been debunked. Every one of them. But what should we expect, coming from a blog run by a cartoonist?
If you want a list that covers everything, it’s here.

Bruce Cobb
December 31, 2010 9:30 am

“I think we need to do something about the unprecedented steady rise in CO2 levels”
Why, on Earth, Ira? We have absolutely nothing to fear from C02. The “threat” is entirely a manufactured one. CCS, on the other hand, besides being costly could actually be dangerous, and even deadly.

Werner Brozek
December 31, 2010 9:31 am

“DirkH says:
December 30, 2010 at 9:41 pm
It’s a whole can of worms, we have a lot of fun with it in Europe, there was just a new report about another carbon emissions permits trading scam with damages in the billions.”
“Ira Glickstein, PhD says:
December 31, 2010 at 8:29 am
As you note, the carbon-trading scam is already law in the EU.”
Hmm

harrywr2
December 31, 2010 9:32 am

W Abbott says:
December 31, 2010 at 4:04 am
“People have no idea how much Natural Gas is now extractable from the deep shale deposits. ”
Let’s do the math. EIA estimates 847 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. Massive number to be sure.
1 cubic foot of natural gas = 1,000 BTU’s(rounded from 1020)
1 ton of steam coal is roughly 20 million BTU’s.
So we need 20,000 cubic feet of natural gas to equal 1 ton of coal.
We burn in the US 1 billion tones of steam coal/year.
If we replaced it all with natural gas we would need to burn 20 trillion cubic feet natural gas per year on top of the 20 trillion we already burn for things like home heating etc.
Then lets get off of imported oil by converting 1/2 of our vehicle fleet to natural gas.
We import 3 billion+ barrels of oil/year. 1 barrel of oil has 6 million BTU’s. So we need 6,000 CF of natural gas to replace 1 barrel of oil. So we would need 18 trillion cubic feet of natural gas to replace 3 billion barrels of oil.
So if we wanted to ‘get off of coal’ and ‘get off of imported oil’ using natural gas we would end up consuming close to 60 trillion cubic feet per year.
The EIA estimate of 847 trillion CF doesn’t look that big when we consider a consumption rate of 60 trillion CF/year. 14 years worth.
Of course other estimates put shale gas reserves at 3 times the EIA number which would be 42 years worth.

e. c. cowan
December 31, 2010 9:46 am

Found on Drudge.com
Indian tea tastes different due to climate change
Is this going a bit far?

Jeff Ziegler
December 31, 2010 9:54 am

WUWT shouldn’t be surprised at this changed perspective; it’s part of a natural cycle, the AMOO – the Atlantic’s Multidecadal Opinion Oscillation.

beng
December 31, 2010 9:58 am

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Article says:
Once “captured” as a relatively pure stream of carbon dioxide, this part of the exhaust is pressurized into liquid form and then sold or stored. …
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Yeah, that’ll be cheap & easy, right? /extreme sarc off & self-snip a bunch of nasty remarks

December 31, 2010 10:09 am

Mostly I skip these loony posts, but this one is really over the top.
The author states in a comment above:
Given an across-the-board tax, each person and industry will make fossil fuel reduction decisions (or not) according to their own benefit.
How about given no taxes on fossil fuels at all? Won’t the purchasers still make decisions according to their own benefit? It is specious folly to suggest that taxes are the drivers of rational economic choice; that without taxes (carefully equilibrated of course) the free market will not function. In fact, taxes are brakes and stranglers of free market choice and lead to mis-allocation of resources.
The author also states:
We (us reasonable folks here at WUWT) cannot fight something (cap and trade) with nothing. By favoring this kind of carbon tax, we can show our concern for the environment and blunt the CAGW monopoly on that front.
Again, a specious strawman stalking horse argument rife with logical fallacy. Need I point out the 18 errors of logic and rationality in those two sentences alone?

December 31, 2010 10:20 am

John M.
Show me their capacity figures, not an insane rant about them.
They do state clearly that there coal and gas plants are UNDERUTILIZED based on national averages. While you are it, also show me EXACTLY what the wind utilization numbers are from MidAmerican.
In the interim, lets look at some facts. Iowa is one of the best wing energy states in the country:
http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/wind_maps.asp
And utilization rates, on average, exceed your “30% (and I’m being generous)” comment, averaging 36% for those installed in 2004-5. We can expect MidAmerican’s to be at least this good considering they have one of the best sites in the coutry, and turbines have gotten more efficient. Also, many countries around the world exceed your “no greater than 10%” or the grid will become unreliable BS, in fact the ENTIRE COUNTRIES grids in Denmark, Spain ad Portugal exceed this amount (Denmark at 19% and using offshore wing which is more reliable) – and I am not talking capacity but actual penetration.
Thanks for playing, but the numbers do not support your positions.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
December 31, 2010 10:23 am

Brad,
You seem to have missed my reply when you dropped those MidAmerican Energy factoids into the latest Craven article, which is understandable as you’ve moved on to a more relevant topic. So here are the highlights:
The “rate freeze” until the end of 2013 is an agreement with state regulators, not a “promise” as you said. Source. Also:

Like other wind energy, the new turbines will be used for what utilities call “peaking” generation – supplementing the regular baseload electricity provided by coal-fired generators that run around the clock. That’s why turbines don’t always turn, even in windy conditions.

They don’t need the wind power.

MidAmerican was forthright in telling the Iowa Utilities Board that it doesn’t have an immediate need for more wind capacity for its customers in Iowa, but the new capacity would be available for future use.
In the short run MidAmerican’s surplus of energy is sold to other utilities. However, its new wind capacity will be available if MidAmerican and its partner, AEP of Columbus, Ohio, are able to build a 765-kilovolt transmission line that would connect wind energy in Iowa and the Upper Midwest with larger markets east of the Mississippi River.
Midwestern wind interests got a boost earlier this month when the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved a plan that would spread the costs for new multistate transmission for wind – estimated to be as high as $25 billion to $30 billion – among all users and not just the individual generators.

“East of the Mississippi” sounds like markets where electricity providers have committed to using renewables, or been governmentally mandated to use renewables, thus providers have to incorporate renewables into their energy portfolio.
And there’s a subsidy involved!

…MidAmerican will use an existing production tax credit that allows deductions of up to 2.2 cents per kilowatt hour over a 10-year period. That deduction won’t be up for extension until 2012.

Otherwise, how useful is this new wind power for providing electricity for Iowa?
MidAmerican Energy is looking into building a nuclear plant, they need more base load capacity.
‘Nuff said, at least about your points.
But whoever had written “That’s why turbines don’t always turn, even in windy conditions” seems a bit short on facts about wind turbines, although basically admitting that even the current amounts of available wind power aren’t needed, with unsold electricity being “discarded” by not letting it be generated, is quite telling.

pouncer
December 31, 2010 10:26 am

“I’m working on a future posting that will propose use of gassified coal”
Back to the 1880’s? Once upon a time just about every city, town and hamlet has a “gasworks”. What goes around comes aound, and there is little new under the sun.