Old, but untold. Trenberth treated us to a trick in his Halloween interview with Bill Sweet by changing the sign on his own most famous quote. As Trenberth now tells it:
One cherry-picked message saying we can’t account for current global warming and that this is a travesty went viral and got more than 100,000 hits online.
The email in question actually bemoaned how Trenberth couldn’t account for the LACK of global warming:
The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.
Global warming… LACK of global warming. Hey, what’s the difference?
This is Trenberth’s answer to having his doubts exposed by the ClimateGate leak: just cover them back up. Pretend that the revealing email said the opposite of what it actually said and PROBLEM SOLVED. The guy’s a genius. No wonder he rose to the esteemed lead author position.
Of course he’s not fooling anyone who knows what he actually said. Add that lack of warming does have to do with the state of global warming, and most knowledgeable people will grant Trenberth the benefit of the doubt, but should they? Ignorant people will be fooled, and Trenberth has a habit of misleading the ignorant.
Here is Trenberth in a follow-up interview with Sweet (after Sweet was apparently inundated with comments and email calling Trenberth a liar and castigating Sweet for playing softball—yay WUWT):
Sweet: Can you say something about the widespread belief that solar activity somehow accounts for the temperature changes we’ve seen in recent decades?
Trenberth: That’s easily disproven. It’s nonsense. Since 1979 we’ve had spacecraft measuring total solar irradiance, and there’s been no change—if anything the sun has cooled slightly. There’s nothing in the record that indicates that the sun is responsible for any of the warming in this period.
Trenberth knows full well that “solar activity” refers primarily to solar-magnetic activity, which varies by an order of magnitude over the solar cycle, while total solar irradiance is almost invariant over the solar cycle (which is why it is called the solar constant). Does he really think he can disprove the theory that 20th century warming was caused by solar activity without looking at anything but the least active solar variable?
Again, the knowledgeable will not be fooled, but it is perfectly clear that Trenberth’s intent in this instance is to deceive the ignorant. He is also providing us with an example of what he was talking about in his original IEEE interview when he said:
Scientists almost always have to address problems in their data, exercising judgment about what might be defective and best disregarded.
That pesky data about solar-magnetic activity and earthly temperatures being highly correlated? (“The long term trends in solar data and in northern hemisphere temperatures have a correlation coefficient of about 0.7 – .8 at a 94% – 98% confidence level.”) “Best disregarded.”
And it is easily done. Just change out “solar activity” for the least active solar quantity and, voilà. As easy as replacing “lack of global warming” with “global warming.”
As J.R. Ewing put it, “once you give up integrity, the rest is easy.”
Any other “lumpies”? (Santa must have had anti-CO2 alarmists in mind when he chose coal for the bad. Like crosses for vampires.)
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Alec Rawls says: “I’m all for studying ENSO, but if it were me, I’d look for how it’s being driven by solar activity.”
I haven’t yet found evidence that ENSO is driven by solar activity, but it is FUELED by downward shortwave radiation (visible light) from the sun. Over the central and eastern equatorial Pacific, DSR will drop up to 45 watts/meter^2 below “normal” during an El Niño, because the ocean is releasing heat primarily through evaporation, which causes an increase in cloud cover. (And when that moisture turns to rain, the atmosphere is warmed.) During the La Niña, the trade winds increase in strength and reduce cloud cover. This reduction in cloud cover can raise DSR 45 watts/meter^2 above “normal”. That’s a 90 watts/meter^2 swing in DSR between El Niño and La Niña phases and that’s how ENSO releases heat and recharges it. A (less than) 1 watt/meter^2 variation in DSR over the solar cycle will impact the recharging during the La Niña phase, but the contribution of the solar cycle is impossible to quantify because all of the available warm water created during a La Niña is not used during the next El Niño. Some of the warm water is returned to the Pacific Warm Pool and some is redistributed to the surface of the East Indian and West Pacific Oceans, which is why SST there rises in response to both El Niño and La Niña events.
What I have been illustrating for almost 2 years is how ENSO-related mechanisms raise global temperatures outside of the tropical Pacific and how many climate studies (like Thompson et al 2009) misrepresent the effects of ENSO. Are you aware that you can reproduce the “base” global temperature anomaly curve from the early 1900s to present using NINO3.4 SST anomalies?
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/01/reproducing-global-temperature.html
My interest is how ENSO drives the global temperature anomaly curve, while Tallbloke and others are interested in how the sun drives ENSO.
tallbloke says:
December 30, 2010 at 1:29 am
there will still be a rise of (at a guess) 0.8W/m^2. This would equate to an extra 0.07W/m^2 at the surface, and if Shaviv is correct, equates to a rise of 0.5-0.7C since the end of the LIA.
more like 0.3C. And what is that ‘the end of the LIA’? Krivova et al. didn’t say that. They said ‘end of the Maunder Minimum, i.e. 1715.
tallbloke:
What?!? Are you aware of what sort of climate sensitivity this would imply in C per W/m^2 and what it would then imply for a doubling of CO2? Surely you don’t believe in such high climate sensitivities, way higher than the IPCC estimates!
It is interesting that AGW skeptics are so doubtful of “high” climate sensitivities that apply to all warming mechanisms approximately equally but so unquestioningly embrace much, much higher effective climate sensitivities that rely on amplification of the solar mechanism specifically!
tallbloke says: “Can KNMI split out the SST data into latitudinal bands?”
I believe you’ll find what you want in the KNMI Climate Explorer. I started to write the attached post during one of my exchanges months ago with a blogger here who relies on conjecture and not data. And I finished it this morning.
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2010/12/very-basic-introduction-to-knmi-climate.html
Regards
Thanks Bob.
Joel, you’re just jealous because we solar-climate theorists have a viable looking amplification mechanism while you co2 theorist’s water vapour feedback hasn’t worked out too well. 😉
By the way, fancy having a go at explaining this correlation?
Specific humidity at the 300mb level (approx height of max outgoing radiation) vs sunspot number (or TSI)
http://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/shumidity-ssn96.png?w=614
Nice.
Leif Svalgaard says:
December 30, 2010 at 8:08 am
more like 0.3C
Well we’re getting somewhere at least. A step up from Gavin’s 10% to somewhere around 20% of the warming.
I regard your number as being at the conservative end of the possibilities, commensurate with your minimal solar variation theory. My estimate treads the middle ground I think.
Not all Joules are the same. Joel needs to realise that too. Solar Joules penetrate the ocean and heat it. LW Joules don’t. The ocean drives atmospheric temperature in the main, not the other way round.
tallbloke says:
December 31, 2010 at 2:21 am
Well we’re getting somewhere at least. A step up from Gavin’s 10% to somewhere around 20% of the warming.
I don’t think so. The 0.3C was assuming that the Krivova et al. estimate is correct, which it isn’t.
So you say. Personally I trust Sami Solanki to get his solar physics right rather than Gavin Schnidt.
Also, I think you may be incorrect when you state that the Krivova et al reconstruction is based on group sunspot numbers. They state:
” In the SATIRE‐T model, the sunspot number and,
whenever available, sunspot areas are used to reconstruct the
evolution of the solar surface magnetic field following Solanki
et al. [2000, 2002], which is then converted into irradiance.
Recently, the physical model of the solar photospheric magnetic field was reconsidered and updated by Vieira and
Solanki [2010], so that it now provides an even better agreement with the independent open flux reconstruction from the
geomagnetic aa index [Lockwood et al., 2009]”
Now, I know you don’t like the Lockwood reconstruction either, so I know this won’t resolve the issue for you, but I thought it worth clarifying anyway. I’ll see if I can get a copy of the Solanki and Vieira 2010 paper to see if it gives more clues on which sunspot number series they use.
tallbloke says:
December 31, 2010 at 6:14 am
Also, I think you may be incorrect when you state that the Krivova et al reconstruction is based on group sunspot numbers.
You can safely assume that I would not state something like this without it being the case. Paragraph [14] of the paper says:
“[14] The flux emergence rates of AR, “act, and ER, “eph, which are the main inputs to the model, are calculated from the historical group sunspot number, Rg [Hoyt and Schatten 1993].”
tallbloke says: “Joel, you’re just jealous because we solar-climate theorists have a viable looking amplification mechanism…”
You do? Care to clarify?
Happy New Year to all. Here’s hoping for a positive result from CLOUD this coming year.
Cheers