Holiday Open Thread

Christmas in the post-War United States
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I’ll be offline Christmas through News Years day, until about Jan 2nd but may check in from time to time.

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R. de Haan
December 24, 2010 4:06 pm

Stop Global Warming Sign…. buried in the snow.

December 24, 2010 4:09 pm

Merry Christmas everyone.

R. de Haan
December 24, 2010 4:10 pm
December 24, 2010 4:14 pm

Merry Christmas WUWT and here’s an electric eel powered X-Mas tree:

December 24, 2010 4:25 pm

There was a generation that feared economic armagheddon.
Then there was a generation that feared nuclear annihilation.
This is the generation of climate catastrophe.
None of these fearsome ends came to pass and were mitigated satisfactorily.
What will they think of next?

December 24, 2010 4:48 pm

Merry Christmas y’all !

December 24, 2010 4:54 pm

I built a new house that was not in the 100 year flood plain. Now FEMA says it is in the flood plain and I must pay $300 a month in flood insurance. The flood source is a small creek 1/4 mile from my home. Not only do I have to pay $300/ month in flood insurance for a flood that will never happen, but if I try to sell my house, the buyer has to add $300 per month to their mortgage payment. In other words, I need to take about $60,000 off the price of my house if I want to make the buyer’s monthly payments similar to a comparable house that is not in the flood plain.
Any advice? I contacted a real estate lawyer but he has not been helpful.
I live near Indianpolis.

December 24, 2010 4:59 pm

I just heard an interview with the head of the Australian Mausen Base in Antarctica – asked whether there were any signs of climate change he replied that he first arrived at the base in 1978 and today it looks exactly the same!

December 24, 2010 5:26 pm

It’s official. Denmark has now registered two white Christmas’es in a row. This hasn’t happened since 1870 when registering started. Damn cold too.
Merry Christmas all.

December 24, 2010 5:36 pm

Merry Christmas Anthony, crew, and all who frequent here !

John F. Hultquist
December 24, 2010 5:45 pm

A few days ago I was looking at one of Leif’s presentations [“Does the Sun Vary Enough?” ] and his second slide was a poem so I searched for the author – Piet Hein — and found this:
After other short and equally interesting poems there is this:
Prayer to the Sun
Sun that gives all things birth
Shine on everything on earth!
If that’s too much to demand
Shine at least on this our land
If even that’s too much for thee
Shine at any rate on me
[Piet Hein]
Note: Leif’s slide is a nice graphic; have a look.
Scroll down to 1250.
In Washington State, east of the Cascades, it is now dark, the horses are fed, it is snowing (again), and it is Christmas Eve.
Merry Christmas, all!
And may the sun shine on you.

December 24, 2010 5:48 pm

May the future to come bring happiness to all. May it also bring wisdom the the AGW camp so that they realize the magnitude of their errors. When we make errors may it bring these to our attention so that we may correct them too.

Rick Bradford
December 24, 2010 5:50 pm

I think the theory of man-made global warming should be renamed ‘the Janus theory’ after the Roman god who had two heads and could look both ways at once, like the AGW theory now accounts for both warmer winters and colder winters.
“He was known as the figure representing time because he could see into the past with one face and into the future with the other.”
How about it?

Russ R.
December 24, 2010 6:09 pm

From The Independent:
Biting winters driven by global warming: scientists

John F. Hultquist
December 24, 2010 6:10 pm
December 24, 2010 6:19 pm

My advice is hire a geologist that is expert in defining floodplains and then you will have a case for FEMA to have to change it. The specialties in Geology that would apply would be: Geomorphology or Quaternary Geology. I used to be in Bloomington, IN but now in Hawaii so can’t help. Good luck, and I am pretty sure if you are on any type of rise from the lower main floodplain you will have a case.

December 24, 2010 6:22 pm

And a very merry Christmas, everyone!

December 24, 2010 6:36 pm

“I think the theory of man-made global warming should be renamed ‘the Janus theory’ after the Roman god who had two heads and could look both ways at once, like the AGW theory now accounts for both warmer winters and colder winters.”
The theory of gravitation accounts for both an asteroid hitting us tomorrow and one not hitting us. The theory of evolution accounts for both the panda going extinct in the next 50 years and it surviving 500.

December 24, 2010 6:51 pm

And you thought it was cold out?
Then where is all the sea ice?

Douglas DC
December 24, 2010 7:04 pm

Windy, here in NE Oregon , Dog Chewing Christmas bone, digesting grass fed beef,
and listening to wind and Tamarack fire. Love it.
Merry Christmas, every one.
Oh, I understand, according to some forecasts, there is a Siberian Express headed
into the Pac NW US (Canada too) by the new years..

Tom in Florida
December 24, 2010 7:05 pm

FEMA-CIZED says: {December 24, 2010 at 4:54 pm}
Check with your insurance agent as there is a little publicized grandfather clause that may allow you to keep your original flood rating if your house was built to code and FEMA later changes your flood designation. Also be sure that there was an actual change in the FIRM maps.
Jake says:{December 24, 2010 at 6:19 pm}
My advice is hire a geologist that is expert in defining floodplains and then you will have a case for FEMA to have to change it.”
Be aware that if your entire county is under a flood discount from FEMA you may not be able to request an individual reassessment of the designation. Check with your county before hiring anyone.

December 24, 2010 7:25 pm

Truly sorry to hear about your plight, can’t help you with advice but don’t take it personally.
The insurance companies, banks and federal bodies are all on a frenzy-feasting at the moment. Cloaking themselves with the righteousness of the planetary saviours they greedily enrich their futures with a multitude of individual miseries by fraud and misdirection.
In plain English you, and countless others are being screwed by snake-oilers.
It’s not you that they’re after, it’s just your cash that they want to fuel their ambitions. Your options to retaliate are somewhat minimal at the moment. Your vote may, in the future, allow a possibility of effective retaliation.
Hold fast. Revenge is tastier when chilled with lashings of patience!

December 24, 2010 7:32 pm

“Christmas Time is Here”, from A Charlie Brown Christmas, Vince Guaraldi on piano

December 24, 2010 7:49 pm

EPA seizes permit power from Texas on greenhouse gas emissions
12:00 AM CST on Friday, December 24, 2010
WASHINGTON – The Environmental Protection Agency said Thursday that it will seize authority from Texas to regulate major emitters of greenhouse gases because Gov. Rick Perry and state regulators refused to implement the rules.
The move caps a long dispute between Texas and the EPA, which have clashed over the Obama administration’s push to regulate industrial sources of carbon dioxide emissions.
State officials complain the rules will unfairly punish Texas and its energy-hungry industries when they take effect Jan. 2.

Mr Lynn
December 24, 2010 7:59 pm

December 24, 2010 at 4:54 pm

$3,600 a year ($300 a month) seems quite high for flood insurance. Ours (we’re also in the 100-year flood plain—just barely) was more like half that. We are below an old earthen dam, but I’m not sure that even if it went (it’s maybe 3 miles away), we’d have a big problem.
If you still have a mortgage, the mortgage holder will insist you buy the insurance, not FEMA. If you have no mortgage, then it’s up to you, not FEMA—unless there’s something special about your location. I have never heard of FEMA being able to require anything.
As Jake says above, you might be able to appeal the placement of your property in the 100-year flood plain. We just paid off our mortgage, so now I have to decide whether to take the risk, or save the money. . .
/Mr Lynn

Oliver Ramsay
December 24, 2010 8:18 pm

onion says:
December 24, 2010 at 6:36 pm
“I think the theory of man-made global warming should be renamed ‘the Janus theory’ after the Roman god who had two heads and could look both ways at once, like the AGW theory now accounts for both warmer winters and colder winters.”
The theory of gravitation accounts for both an asteroid hitting us tomorrow and one not hitting us. The theory of evolution accounts for both the panda going extinct in the next 50 years and it surviving 500.
Or, we could say that the theory of gravitation accounts for both the panda going extinct and not extinct all at the same time, maybe from the evolution of asteroids.
Too much rum in the egg-nog makes for a pickled onion!

December 24, 2010 9:58 pm

Merry Christmas everyone! Stay safe in all the cold weather around the globe and don’t worry about anything – there’s still plenty of ice at the poles; weather patterns are still well within bounds; sometimes up a bit and sometimes down; make your adjustments as necessary and take care of your’s; I know I will.
See you after Christmas!

December 24, 2010 10:46 pm

pax says:
December 24, 2010 at 5:26 pm
It’s official. Denmark has now registered two white Christmas’es in a row. This hasn’t happened since 1870 when registering started. Damn cold too.
You have links?

December 24, 2010 10:51 pm

Well. Merry Xmas to all – and a well deserved rest to Anthony and family.
Been bush today for a well-earned barbie by a little-known stream, with swifts and woodpigeon abounding. Some beautiful native birdsong. Lots of sunblock required with a burn-time of about 20 minutes
Steaks, saussies, burgers and salad with oodles of fresh strawberries and cream – and a few tinnies to wash it down (Chiraz for ‘er indoors though – must preserve the decencies)
The benefits of living down-under in the antipodes, is that we get to see all the Global Climate Disruption going on in the world.
And of course, New Zealand’s re-calculated historic temperature records now show no significant warming in the past 100 years – so it must be just everywhere else that is suffering.
Sorry warming has such disasterous effects on those in the North – our turn will come in 6 months time
Cool Yule one and all

Dave F
December 24, 2010 11:23 pm

Merry Christmas Anthony, I know you’ve already gotten the gift you want with your wife’s surgery going well. Enjoy your time off and with her and your children. There isn’t a thing in the world more important to a man (well, a real man 😀 ) than his family.
And Merry Christmas to everyone. May we all harden our resolve to soften our hearts.

Dave F
December 24, 2010 11:38 pm

onion says:
December 24, 2010 at 6:36 pm
I think the theory of man-made global warming should be renamed ‘the Janus theory’ after the Roman god who had two heads and could look both ways at once, like the AGW theory now accounts for both warmer winters and colder winters.
Janus is also the god that the month of January is named after. Janus is the Roman god of doorways. Yes, doorways. I say we call it the Janus theory for ‘Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya’.

December 25, 2010 12:20 am

Mike says:
December 24, 2010 at 6:51 pm
And you thought it was cold out?
Then where is all the sea ice?

There is a large unusual high pressure cell over Greenland. The Arctic region is experiencing very different pressure cells to the norm of recent history. This will cause a massive winter over the whole of the northern hemisphere, at the expense of some Arctic warming. I notice you didn’t post an ice extent of the Antarctica region?
I hope you are not cherry picking Mike?

Peter Miller
December 25, 2010 1:11 am
Staffan Lindström
December 25, 2010 2:23 am

December 24, 2010 at 10:46 pm …. Amino … it’s at DMI…”For første gang i over 100 år har DMI registreret, at Danmark to år i træk oplever en landsdækkende hvid jul.
Klimatolog Mikael Scharling har gennemgået alle de data, der er til rådighed fredag eftermiddag og vurderer, at kriterierne for hvid jul er mere end opfyldt; det vil sige, at mindst 90% af landets areal er dækket med mindst ½ centimeter sne.
Juleaftensdag varierer snedybden aktuelt fra få centimeter i dele af Jylland til over en meter på Bornholm.” Not much need for a translation after all Danish and English are two Germanic dialects, right??!! So the island of Bornholm has in some places more than 1 metre…at my Swedish island of Öland , N Möckleby had 65 cm this Xmas day morning, no change from yesterday, it’s about 20 miles of my summer house…The Öland blizzard has a name of its own: “Fåk” like “hawk” with an f… More about Piet Hein etc. later…

Staffan Lindström
December 25, 2010 2:26 am

December 25, 2010 at 2:23 am …”20 miles N of my summer house”

Rick Bradford
December 25, 2010 2:39 am

Gravitation: Either an asteroid will hit the earth tomorrow OR it will not
Evolution: Either the panda will become extinct within the next 50 years OR it will not
AGW: In future, winters will be generally warmer AND they will be generally colder.
Not the same thing at all.

David L
December 25, 2010 3:01 am

Merry Christmas everyone! Much appreciation to Anthony and all the moderators for creating and maintaining such an awesome site. Thanks to all the posters; I really enjoy the comments and banter from many of you. This is a great blog. I think I’m officially addicted to it!

December 25, 2010 4:10 am

It is worth re-stating the physical truth that completely undermines the whole AGW craze. And that is that the very idea of a “greenhouse effect” and back radiation somehow warming the planet is absurd nonsense and violates the laws of physics. For more information see Alan Siddons and Hans Schreuder’s excellent website
here you will find the true sceptics and not mere lukewarmers.
merry co2 Xmas to all!
John of Kent.

December 25, 2010 4:28 am

Merry Christmas everyone and thanks to WUWT for a year of excellently informative and provocative blogs.

December 25, 2010 4:37 am

Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
December 24, 2010 at 10:46 pm
You have links?

Only in danish, Google Translate:

December 25, 2010 5:18 am

December 24, 2010 at 4:54 pm -Flood plain
In the UK you would have a chance to appeal as these flood plain zones are extended by computer modelling using parameters that might be totally irrelevant to your circumstances. The IPCC recently handed down a diktat on planning for increased flood risks that in our country increased the flooding risk threshold by up to 25%. That could be the source of the problem.
If the reclassification is correct you might be able to carry out your own approved mitigation.
Worth checking with the relevant authority.

Robert of Ottawa
December 25, 2010 6:31 am

Hey, anyone know how to cook a turkey?

Mike from Canmore
December 25, 2010 7:45 am

I’m starting a bit of a crusade to get everybody to ready Ezra Levant’s book, Ethical Oil
Worth every penny.
Merry Christmas everyone!!

December 25, 2010 8:04 am

Merry Christmas Jesters!!!!

December 25, 2010 8:39 am

onion says:
December 24, 2010 at 6:36 pm
“”The theory of gravitation accounts for both an asteroid hitting us tomorrow and one not hitting us. The theory of evolution accounts for both the panda going extinct in the next 50 years and it surviving 500.”
Why is it that warmists always dare to compare their drivel with the theory of gravitation or evolution when you warmists have no evidence at all. Some kind of world domination complex? People didn’t believe Einstein or Newton without checking their stuff. Stop being preposterous; what you warmists have is a conjecture, and this conjecture predicts now milder AND colder winters. Clean up you act first and then come back, and don’t start by comparing yourself with the biggest minds in history; it reeks of hubris.

December 25, 2010 8:48 am

Merry Histmas! I kan’t say it properly because the EPA is regulating my use of the third letter of the alphabet.

December 25, 2010 8:50 am

Robert of Ottowa, I’d suggest the ButterBall Turkey hotline, or their website, if you have not found them yet. And always, always 1) Thaw the bird first and 2) triple check to ensure that the giblets are no longer inside before you start cooking the bird. Trust me on this one.
Merry Christmas to one and all from the dry southern steppe of North America (send snow, please! Pretty please!) We’re having ham et cetera – tomorrow, after the rest of the family staggers into town.

December 25, 2010 9:10 am

Merry Christmas, everyone!
To re-visit the FCC’s plan to take complete control of the internet, see the dissenting Commissioners’ comments here.
Finally: is “onion” a bot? Or just a beginner?

December 25, 2010 9:39 am

Smokey says:
December 25, 2010 at 9:10 am
“Finally: is “onion” a bot? Or just a beginner?”
I don’t think he’s a bot – the newfangled double prediction of milder AND colder winters stems from a recent paper by the PIK (author Petoukhov), e.g. here:
and it doesn’t look like Cook has already updated his standard rebuttal attempts by now:
and as his material is used by that bot writer, i forget his name, we had him here a while ago, i don’t think his bot can already react on the ambiguous forecast line.

December 25, 2010 9:44 am

Geoff Sharp says:
Hi Geoff
My friend Barry impressed by my graphing skills, send me some data to plot against CETs. Since it is open thread I thought the RESULT could be of interest to some but not all of the contributors.
Merry Christmas.

Gary Pearse
December 25, 2010 9:47 am

Robert of Ottawa says:
December 25, 2010 at 6:31 am
Hey, anyone know how to cook a turkey?
Some contrarian advice: I ate a delicious juicy turkey that was cooked upside down with the breast on the bottom. It didn’t look as beautiful as in christmas pictures but the breast meat wasn’t dried out as with traditionally cooked turkeys. Also had an old aunt who used to smear mayonnais all over the turkey and sprinkle it with flour – wow it made a nice crispy skin (mayo is, afterall just mainly egg yolks vinegar and oil.) It was cooked right side up though – suggest trying both ways some time.

Gary Pearse
December 25, 2010 9:55 am

Mike and onion:
Do I detect a softening and rounding off of the corners of your resolve. Pretty indirect stuff. Normally you bravely step forward and state the unvarnished case for global warming. If this cooling was all part of the CAGW theory, the models would have predicted it. If they didn’t, they aren’t worth the electrons they have sequestered for them. Even Al Gore has turned silent. Phil Jones has done an about face, T. Boone is divesting himself of windmills, Trenbreth is desperately rewriting his own history – don’t be left out – afterall you are not the scientists- just the believers and there are getting fewer to believe in.

December 25, 2010 9:56 am

Thanks for all the helpful advice.
My home’s elevation is too far below the base flood elevation to pile dirt against the foundation as some neighbors have. Engineers come out and shoot the corners of your house and if you pile enough dirt there, then you can go through the map ammendment process and get out of the flood plain.
The grandfather clause has 2 parts, paying your old non-100-year zone rate only applies if you were paying flood insurance before you were placed in the flood zone. The other part allows a discount from the $300 per month, but I saw a house bill that is being discussed that will gradually phase out the discount and there is $0 discount for a new owner if you try to sell your home. My home is worth less today than when I bought it new in 1998.
There are a couple dozen homes in this predicament so maybe we can look for a geologist as described above.
Flood maps are being modernized around the country with satellite measurements. The DNR is in charge of mapping here. I would suggest that anybody who lives near a flood source, even a small creek that is dry most of the year, check to see if your area is scheduled for a map update. If you are in a suburb with upstream growth, and your city/county allowed the new upstream developments to dump runoff into the flood source, then you make sure your property is on high ground. Once you are placed in the flood plain, you can’t bring in fill or do any contruction.

December 25, 2010 10:45 am

Interesting quote from Time Magazine 1974:
“Telltale signs are everywhere —from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest.Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F. Although that figure is at best an estimate, it is supported by other convincing data. When Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory and his wife Helena analyzed satellite weather data for the Northern Hemisphere, they found that the area of the ice and snow cover had suddenly increased by 12% in 1971 and the increase has persisted ever since. Areas of Baffin Island in the Canadian Arctic, for example, were once totally free of any snow in summer; now they are covered year round.”
found on

December 25, 2010 11:21 am

Well, we got enough snow to call it a white Christmas in the Ozark Mtns. I told Anna when we went to bed that I thought we’d get it. She said no, the forecasts weren’t predicting it.
I’ve been trying to figure out this droidx. Been trying to paste this…
University of Iceland, Reykjavik, Iceland AB: The Eyjafjallajökull volcano, one of the oldest active volcanoes in Iceland, is located in the volcanic flank zone of South Iceland, a few tens of kilometers off the nearest branch of the mid-Atlantic plate boundary. The volcanic edifice is an elongated, flat cone of about 1650 m height. A 100-200 m thick glacier covers the upper part of the volcano and its elliptical 2.5-km-wide summit crater or caldera. Eyjafjallajökull products have an alkaline composition, similar to other off-rift volcanoes in Iceland. An E-W trending rift zone transects the volcano, most eruptive fissures and crater rows trend E-W, but occasional radial fissures are observed around the summit area. Eruptive fissures on the west flank are curved and tend to follow the topographic gradient. The E-W orientation of the rift zone suggests a tectonic control of a regional stress field with the least compressive stress oriented N-S. The strong influence of the topography suggests, however, that this intraplate stress field is weak. Dikes in the older parts of the volcano strike north-easterly and indicate a change in the stress orientation during the last 0.78 My. This change may be related to a southward propagation of the Eastern Rift Zone of Iceland and the transfer of spreading from the Western Rift Zone. The rather mild activity of Eyjafjallajökull (3 eruptions in 1100 years) stands in strong contrast to that of the neighbouring volcano Katla, which is one of Iceland‘s most active volcanoes. The eastern rift of Eyjafjallajökull extends into the western flank of Katla and the distance between the two volcanic centers is only 25 km. Their magmatic sources, however, appear to be chemically separated in spite of apparent sympathetic behaviour of the two volcanoes. The only well documented historical eruption of Eyjafjallajökull, 1821-1823, was followed by a moderately small eruption of Katla in 1823. There is evidence for similar behaviour in the two other known eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull in Historic time, those of 1612 and 920. Sill intrusion beneath Eyjafjallajökull in 1999 was followed by a magmatic event at Katla, most likely a small subglacial eruption and a period of slow inflation 1999-2004. The coupling mechanism between the volcanoes remains enigmatic. One volcano may be triggered by the other by direct dike or sill injection. Furthermore, stress induced in the crust by the activity of one volcano may affect the magmatic system of the other. Pressure perturbation in the mantle may also affect the magma sources of both volcanoes. At the time of writing (September 2010), there is no indication of unusual activity at Katla following the intrusive and extrusive activity of Eyjafjallajökull in 2009-2010.

December 25, 2010 11:42 am

#!/usr/bin/env enjoyself –holiday=christmas –no-tears=true –have-fun=true

David L
December 25, 2010 11:53 am

Years ago, prior to global warming, a white Christmas was somewhat rare. Now with this warming blanket of evil CO2 It’s a cold white Christmas here in Pittsburgh PA. Thank you all who emitted CO2 this past year!

December 25, 2010 12:20 pm

What not to do for fun, but maybe for profit, or wait, maybe for having fun on others expenses.
This is a simple recipe
1 Bottle of Vodka
2 habaneros
Chop the habaneros, kernels and everything. Put all that lovely tasty stuff into the bottle of Vodka.
But for how long?
And that’s the test that puts real hair on your chest. 1 Hour? 3 Hours? 6 Hours? 24 Hours?
If you can’t take the bell pepper smell and taste before your mouth burst into fire, spice it with a bag of turkish pepper sweets (, it’ll get a bit extra hot though but at least it taste sweet like candy though before you loose 70% of your water retention capabilities. :-()

December 25, 2010 1:22 pm

“Robert of Ottawa says:
December 25, 2010 at 6:31 am
Hey, anyone know how to cook a turkey?”
Yes, put it in the oven and burn some fuel to cook it (generate CO2 in so doing). Whatever you do, don’t try and cook it with “back radiation” from IR. That won’t do anything!

P Walker
December 25, 2010 1:42 pm

Merry Christmas everyone ! I’ve spent most of the day sipping coffee from my new WUWT mug – thanks to my lovely wife .

Billy Liar
December 25, 2010 3:09 pm

Smokey says:
December 25, 2010 at 9:10 am
Finally: is “onion” a bot? Or just a beginner?
I think it’s Gavin having some fun on his own dime.
Funny how he/she/it appeared when Anthony took a vacation.

David L
December 25, 2010 3:48 pm

Fear of CO2 during the Nixon administration…how did the predictions pan out?

December 25, 2010 5:15 pm

Peter Miller – thanks for the report on the problems being experinced by so called clean energy funds. I would like to make several remarks, as it’s now Boxing Day down here in Australia, my wife is enjoying a well earned rest and the family have all left the city for a brief holiday with their children, even further south into the country.
1. As an aside, my electricity comes exclusively from coal fired power generation and I have never noticed any dirt seeping out of the unused power sockets, so I can only assume that it is most carefully washed at the power stations before it is stuffed into the electricity wires. (How they do that, I do not know).
2. This next is for Onion’s benefit and for others who may be tempted to put their beliefs into practical form and to place their hard earned savings into renewable energy based funds. History is against you and the odds are high that all your savings will be destroyed.
I say this, not because I doubt the accuracy of the AGW conjecture (which I do), but from a study of the long history of new technology and of the risks of investing in the same. Almost all the startup companies that invested in new technologies, such as motor car manufacture, radio, TV and so forth, all crashed and went bankrupt, with the complete loss of all investors’ funds. At the turn of the twentieth century there were hundreds of companies set up to manufacture motor cars. Very few exist today and all these, bar one, survive only through the grace of the USA government, which recently poured billions of (borrowed) dollars to rescure them.
So I conclude that it is all right to encourage the government to attempt to strangle the US economy out of existence, in order to pursue a willow the whisp, post rational goal. That is your right.
But please, in your own very personal interests, make sure that none of your superannuation and other retirement savings are invested in new technologies.
Your well being in old age is too precious to take such a high risk option.
Even if your scientific analysis is correct (which I doubt), your choice of the technological fix to invest in, will be almost certainly, definitely, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Sam Hall
December 25, 2010 6:01 pm

Robert of Ottawa says:
December 25, 2010 at 6:31 am
Hey, anyone know how to cook a turkey?
Place turkey in center of table with guests seated.
Fill cavity of bird with LOX
Tape match to broomstick
Light match and hold near cavity
Turkey will be both cooked and served.
The advantage in doing it this way is that you will never be asked to cook another turkey.

Al Gored
December 25, 2010 7:19 pm

Just stumbled on a sweet example of ‘weather porn’ propaganda. On today’s BBC America news, repeated every hour, they chose to use some of their limited ‘world news’ time to cover a tropical cyclone from N Australia, complete with (selective) video of this great flood.
More suggestion of ‘global climate disruption’ from the BBC, now delivered daily from them, drop by cherry-picked drop. (No mention of the cool weather in Australia.)
But the Australian media does not seem to see it as world news. In this Melbourne paper it is buried in their National news section, and here is their entire story:
“Tasha hits Queensland (December 26, 2010)
TORRENTIAL rain lashed Queensland’s far north coast after tropical cyclone Tasha ran out of puff between Cairns and Innisfail yesterday.
The roof was blown off a house at Mission Beach and some 7000 households lost power.
At Ravenshoe two people, a cat and a dog were rescued from a roof after floodwaters inundated their house.
Heavy rain is expected to continue for several days.”

Al Gored
December 25, 2010 7:21 pm
December 25, 2010 7:45 pm

vukcevic says:
December 25, 2010 at 9:44 am (Edit)
Geoff Sharp says:
Hi Geoff
My friend Barry impressed by my graphing skills, send me some data to plot against CETs. Since it is open thread I thought the RESULT could be of interest to some but not all of the contributors.
Hmmmn. Cool. Neat blue and red lines. Neat waves.
But what’s a CET and what are you plotting against? 8<)

December 25, 2010 7:53 pm

Robert of Ottawa says:
December 25, 2010 at 6:31 am (Edit)

Hey, anyone know how to cook a turkey?

Obtain turkey.
Remove internals. Independent third party verification of ALL plastic-coated internals and artifical parts being removed from ALLorifices both top and bottom and sides is strongly encouraged.
Replace internals with chopped up onions and celery. This is to stuff bird and prevent internals from burning/drying/getting yucky.
Cover with foil.
Place in pan larger than base x width of turkey.
Apply heat.
Allow wife/mother/daughter/mother-in-law/girlfriend/lover/associated criminal partner/tax attorney back in kitchen.

Al Gored
December 25, 2010 7:58 pm

Following on my last post, I just found more coverage of the BBC’s world class weather event in the same paper’s ‘Environment’ section. More details but the same basic non-world class story:
Tasha’s bark worse than its bite Lisa Martin
December 26, 2010
Cyclone Tasha crosses Queensland coast
December 25, 2010
““But I’ve been through a few cyclones and it was very mild for a cyclone.”
Rob Weeden, from the Shangri-La Hotel in Cairns, said locals were getting on with their Christmas celebrations after people in the city barely noticed the cyclone.”
And, as a surprising bonus, I also found this article reprinted there:
There’s a mini ice age coming, says man who beats weather experts
December 21, 2010
“Piers Corbyn not only predicted the current weather, but he believes things are going to get much worse, says Boris Johnson, London’s mayor. ”

December 25, 2010 8:46 pm

You can have the car in any color as long as it’s white.

Paul Vaughan
December 25, 2010 9:51 pm

“Mount Washington has been pummelled with three metres of fresh snow in the past three days, burying lodges, cars and even ski lifts.”
“[…] in the past month and a half the resort has already gone halfway toward breaking its all-time record of 18.5 metres of snow — which took five months to build up in the winter of 1998-1999.”
[Multiply by 3.3 to get from metres to feet.]
“La Nina is considered a factor in massive snowfall.”
Full story from CTV:
“Vancouver Island resort gets record snowfall”
Season’s Best.

December 25, 2010 10:10 pm

vukcevic says:
December 25, 2010 at 9:44 am
Hi Vuk, I also not understanding the blue line.
Have you seen today’s SST’s, the oceans have taken another plunge. The Gulf Stream looking colder for you guys on top of your neg NAO problems.
Merry Xmas.

December 26, 2010 12:27 am

Hi Geoff
I hope your cricketers do a bit better but not too much better.
For the line blue there is an easy clue; the name of the author in the bottom right corner. I applied a bit of arithmetic to Barry C Enter’s data.
CET = Central England Temperature (longest temp record available)

December 26, 2010 2:05 am

vukcevic says:
December 26, 2010 at 12:27 am
You’re a classic Vuk, the penny has just dropped. The force with no name lol.
It will be a big year next year….cheers

December 26, 2010 2:24 am

vukcevic says:
December 26, 2010 at 12:27 am
OK Vuk, I’ll bite. What are the reference points and how have you manipulated the data?
Email me if you don’t want to reveal all here. I’ve posted the graph and await further info.

December 26, 2010 2:48 am

John of Kent says:
December 25, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Whatever you do, don’t try and cook it with “back radiation” from IR. That won’t do anything!

Ah, it will if you use an IPCC approved oven:

December 26, 2010 2:54 am

You have got love this ( from the UKMetoffice on Boxing day)- Did it snow or not? :
White Christmas.
Using technology such as radar, webcams and ground based sensors combined with the expert opinion of experienced forecasters, the Met Office is able to declare whether or not (YES or NO) snow fell at the following locations on Christmas Day 2010 :- Aberdeen: YES. Glasgow: YES. Edinburgh: YES. London: NO. Liverpool: NO. Manchester: NO. Birmingham: NO. Cardiff: NO. Belfast: NO. Issued at 0010 on Sun 26 Dec 2010.

Justin Jefferson
December 26, 2010 4:01 am

Thanks Anthony and all contributors for your good works in exposing this nasty anti-human, anti-freedom, anti-civilisation scam.

December 26, 2010 9:33 am

Just remember that the IPCC says in Chapter ten of the AR4:
“For a future warmer climate … Globally averaged mean water vapour, evaporation and precipitation are projected to increase.”
So, in those places where it snows, it’s going to snow more.
Colder? No.
May every one have a happy and prosperous 2011.

December 26, 2010 9:22 pm

EPA legislates.
Isn’t that the job of Congress?

Steve from rockwood
December 26, 2010 9:34 pm

Here at my place it is colder but not much snow. I can tell by the frozen ice on my pond. Snow doesn’t equal colder or milder.
The idea that it will snow more everywhere is just silly. AGW or not.

December 28, 2010 8:23 am

Robert of Ottawa says:
“December 25, 2010 at 6:31 am
Hey, anyone know how to cook a turkey?”
Keith answers:
Well, lessee….
You could get a research grant to investigate efficient barbecues (hey, someone did that though probably on his own nickel), or to erect solar panels but then you’d need a suitable electric grill, or…
What the heck, just do it the old way:
– chop down a dry tree
– split it up into chunks and very narrow chunks
– pile narrow pieces in low conical shape
– pile large pieces in conical shape above
– whittle shavings to start fire
– find a dry match or a lighter that still has fuel, or study your Boy Scout manual on alternatives
– wait until the wind dies down so it doesn’t blow the flame out
– eventually enjoy turkey the old way, a third burnt, a third under cooked, just like in a world without modern fuels and technologies.
[g, d, r]

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