Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
There is an interesting new study by Lauer et al. entitled “The Impact of Global Warming on Marine Boundary Layer Clouds over the Eastern Pacific—A Regional Model Study” [hereinafter Lauer10]. Anthony Watts has discussed some early issues with the paper here. The Lauer10 study has been controversial because it found that some marine stratocumulus clouds decrease with increasing warming. This is seen as an indication that (other things being equal) clouds are a net positive feedback, that they will amplify any warming and make it even warmer. This finding has engendered much discussion.
I want to do a different analysis. I want to provide a theoretical understanding of the Lauer10 findings. Figure 1 shows the larger picture, within which Lauer’s results make sense. This is the picture of part of the Earth as a solar-driven heat engine.
Figure 1. Very simplified picture of the main driving loop of the tropospheric circulation. A large counter-rotating cell (a “Hadley Cell”) of air exists on each side of the equator. Energy enters the system mostly around the equator. Thunderstorms (shown with rain) drive deep convection currents from the surface to the upper troposphere. Some of the energy is transferred horizontally by the Hadley Cells to the area at 30N/S. There, some the energy is radiated out to space. A large amount of the radiation occurs in the clear dry desert regions. Other parts of the atmospheric circulation not shown.
Lauer10 is discussing the low cloud decks found off the western edges of the continents at around 30°N/S, as illustrated in Fig. 1.
Considering the earth’s climate as a heat engine can lead us to interesting insights. First, we can see how the heat engine works. The thunderstorms in the wet tropics convert some of the incoming solar energy to work. The work consists in part of moving huge amounts of warm air vertically. In the process, most of the moisture is stripped out of the air, producing the rain shown in Fig. 1. After rising, some of this now-drier air travels polewards. It descends (subsides) in the region around 30° north and south of the Equator. This dry descending air forms the great desert belts of the planet. The air then returns equator-wards to repeat the cycle.
A closed system heat engine (like the climate) needs some form of radiator to cool the working fluid before it returns to be recycled through the engine. In the climate, the areas around 30°N/S serve as the main radiators for this loop of the atmospheric circulation. There, excess energy is radiated to space.
Now, here’s the theoretical question:
What would we expect to happen to this flow system if there is an increase in the temperature?
The Constructal Law says that in such a case, a flow system like the climate will rearrange itself to “speed up the wheel”. That is to say, it will change to increase the throughput of the system. The system reorganizes itself to increase the total of work plus turbulence.
How can the circulation shown in Fig. 1 become more efficient and increase its throughput? There are not a whole lot of control points in the system. The main control points are the clouds at both the hot and the cool ends of the heat engine.
The Constructal Law suggests that as the system warms, two things would happen. First, there would be an increase of cumulonimbus (thunderstorm) clouds at the equatorial end of the system. This would increase the speed and volume of the Hadley circulation. Next, there would be a decrease of clouds in the area around 30° latitude. This would increase the amount of radiation leaving the system. These changes would combine to increase the total throughput of the system.
In that light, let us re-consider the results of Lauer10. What they show is that as more heat passes through the system, as expected, the clouds at the radiator end of the system decrease. This increases the amount of energy that can pass through the system in a given time. In other words, they are an expected result of the system warming.
Lauer10 appears to discount this possibility when they say:
The radiative effect of low marine clouds is dominated by their contribution to the planetary albedo as their impact on outgoing longwave radiation is limited because of the small temperature difference between cloud tops and the underlying surface.
I found this doubtful for a number of reasons. First, the cloud top for marine stratiform clouds is typically at an altitude of ~600-700 metres, and the cloud bottom is at around 400-500 metres. The dry adiabatic lapse rate (cooling with increasing altitude in dry air) is about 1°C per hundred metres. This puts the cloud base at around five degrees C cooler than the surface. Then we have 200 metres at the wet adiabatic lapse rate, that’s about another degree. Total of six degrees cooler at the cloud tops.
The annual average surface temperature at 30°N is about 20°C, which puts the cloud tops at about 14°C. While this doesn’t seem like a lot, it gives a blackbody radiation difference of about 30 W/m2 … hardly a “limited” difference. Even if it is “only” half of that, 15 W/m2, that is the equivalent of four doublings of CO2.
Next, the strength of the solar contribution at 30° latitude is only about 60% of equatorial sunshine. This is due to the greater angle to the sun, plus the greater distance through the atmosphere, plus the inherent increase in albedo with decreasing solar angle.
Next, there is a fundamental difference between equatorial clouds (cumulus and cumulonimbus) and the stratocumulus decks of the area at 30° latitude. This difference is ignored by the averaging, with which climate science is unfortunately rife.
The problem is that the timing of clouds is often more important than the amount. Consider someplace in the tropics that has say eight hours of clouds per day. If those clouds are in the afternoon, the reflection of the sunlight will dominate the effect of the clouds on radiation. The clouds will cool the afternoon, as we all know from our common experience.
If that same eight hours of clouds occurs at night, however, the situation is reversed. Clouds are basically an impervious black body to outgoing longwave radiation. Because of this, they increase the downwelling LW when they are overhead. During the day this is usually more than offset by the reduction in solar radiation.
But at night there is no sun, so the effect of night-time clouds is almost always a warming. Again this is our common experience, as clear winter nights are almost always colder than winter nights with clouds.
However, all of this is obscured by the averaging. In both the day and night cases above, we have the exact same amount of clouds, eight hours per day. At night the cloud warms the earth, during the day the same cloud cools the earth, and averages can’t tell the difference.
The relevant difference between stratocumulus at 30° latitude and the equatorial clouds is that the equatorial clouds die out and vanish at night. This allows for free radiation from the surface. The stratocumulus deck, on the other hand, persists day and night. This means that it has much more effect on radiation than equatorial cloud.
Finally, I think that there is a fundamental misunderstanding in their claim that the maritime stratocumulus cloud “impact on outgoing longwave radiation is limited” because of the small temperature difference.
It is true that between the upwelling longwave from the surface and from the low clouds is about 10% (30W/m). The temperatures are not hugely dissimilar. But the internal energy flows are very different under the two conditions (clear and cloudy).
Consider a night-time hour with cloud. The cloud is radiating through clear dry air above to space at something like 370 W/m2. In addition, the cloud is radiating roughly the same amount back to the surface, something like 370 W/m2. Meanwhile, the ocean surface is radiating (losing) around 400 W/m2.
So the ocean loses 400 and gains 370 W/m2, so it is losing 30 W/m2 in this part of the transaction.
Now take away the cloud for an hour. The surface is still radiating something like 400 W/m2, this time out to space. So the authors of Lauer10 are correct, there’s not much change in outgoing LW, “only” 15 to 30 W/m2. But what they are neglecting is that the ocean is no longer receiving 370 W/m2 of LW from the cloud. Instead, above the ocean is mostly dry air, which provides little downwelling radiation to the surface. In this case the surface itself is losing about 400 W/m2.
So despite having identical energy flows to space, these two conditions have two very different net internal energy flows. When the sky is clear, the ocean is losing energy rapidly. When it is overcast with marine stratocumulus, the ocean loses energy much more slowly. The difference in ocean loss is 370 W/m2, which is a large difference. That is why I don’t agree that the clouds make little difference to the radiation balance. They make a big difference to net energy flows (into and out) of the ocean.
And why are oceanic net energy flows important to the outgoing radiation? It is the long-term balance of these flows across the ocean surface that determines the oceanic (and therefore the atmospheric) temperature. As a result, small sustained imbalances can cause gradual temperature shifts of the entire system.
I think I notice the problem because of my training as an accountant. A small difference in the amount of payments can mask a huge difference in the source of those funds. And a small amount of income or expense adds up over time.
My conclusions?
1. I think it quite possible that Lauer’s findings are correct, that increased warming in the area of the persistent marine stratiform layers at 30°N/S leads to decreased clouds in those areas.
2. I think that Lauer’s finding are an expected effect when we consider the Earth as a heat engine operating under the Constructal Law. With increasing heat, the Constructal Law says the system will adapt by increasing throughput. Reduced cloudiness at the cold end of the heat engine is an expected change in this regard, just as we expect (and find) increased cloudiness at the hot end of the heat engine with increasing heat.
3. Of course, for this study to truly be science I need to insert the obligatory boilerplate. So let me note that mine is a preliminary study, that “further investigation is warranted”, that I could use a big stack of funds to do just that, that I will require a personal assistant to undertake the onerous task of archiving a few datasets per year, and that Exxon has been most dilatory in their payment schedule …
FURTHER INFORMATION
Constructal Law and Climate (Adrian Bejan, PDF)
The constructal law of design and evolution in nature (Adrian Bejan, PDF)
A previous post of mine on Constructal Law and Flow Systems
The constructal law and the thermodynamics of flow systems with configuration (Adrian Bejan, PDF)
Addendum before posting. After writing the above, I noted today a new paper published in Science (behind a paywall) entitled Dynamical Response of the Tropical Pacific Ocean to Solar Forcing During the Early Holocene, Thomas M. Marchitto et al. It is discussing one of the geographical areas that Lauer10 analyzed, the eastern Pacific off of Mexico. The abstract says:
We present a high-resolution magnesium/calcium proxy record of Holocene sea surface temperature (SST) from off the west coast of Baja California Sur, Mexico, a region where interannual SST variability is dominated today by the influence of the El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO). Temperatures were lowest during the early to middle Holocene, consistent with documented eastern equatorial Pacific cooling and numerical model simulations of orbital forcing into a La Niña–like state at that time. The early Holocene SSTs were also characterized by millennial-scale fluctuations that correlate with cosmogenic nuclide proxies of solar variability, with inferred solar minima corresponding to El Niño–like (warm) conditions, in apparent agreement with the theoretical “ocean dynamical thermostat” response of ENSO to exogenous radiative forcing.
In short, their study reports that when the ocean gets warmer at the equator, it gets cooler at 30°N, and vice versa. They also find that this effect is visible on annual through millennial timescales. Unsurprisingly, this is not found in the GCMs.
Intrigued by the idea of a “ocean dynamical thermostat”, I read on:
Values in the middle of this range are sufficient to force the intermediate- complexity Zebiak-Cane model of El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO) dynamics into a more El Niño–like state during the Little Ice Age (A.D. ~1400 to 1850) (3), a response dubbed the “ocean dynamical thermostat” because negative (or positive) radiative forcing results in dynamical ocean warming (or cooling, respectively) of the eastern tropical Pacific (ETP) (4). This model prediction is supported by paleoclimatic proxy reconstructions over the past millennium (3, 5, 6). In contrast, fully coupled general circulation models (GCMs) lack a robust thermostat response because of an opposing tendency for the atmospheric circulation itself to strengthen under reduced radiative forcing (7).
Now, consider this finding in light of Figure 1. Yes, it is a simple “thermostat” in the sense that as the equator heats up, the area around 30°N/S cools.
But in the light of the climate heat engine it is much more than that. The Constructal Law says in response to increased forcing the climate system will respond by increasing throughput. One way to increase the throughput of a closed cycle heat engine is to cool the radiator.
And that is exactly what their “ocean dynamical thermostat” is doing. By cooling the radiator of the climate heat engine, the engine runs faster, and moves more heat from the tropics. Conversely, when the earth is cooler than usual, the engine runs slower, and less heat is transported from the tropics. This warms the tropics.
I started this by saying that I would provide a theoretical framework within which the Lauer10 findings would make sense. I believe I have done so. My theoretical results were strengthened by my subsequent finding that Marchitto et al. fits the same framework. However, this is only my understanding. Additions, subtractions, questions, falsifications, confusions, expansions, and just about anything but conflagrations gratefully accepted.
Finally, testable predictions lie at the heart of science, and they are scarce in climate science. If I am correct, the kind of study done by Lauer et al. of the persistent stratocumulus decks in e.g. the Eastern Pacific should reveal that in the observations, changes in night-time cloud cover are greater than changes in day-time cloud cover. My check from the Koch brothers must have gotten lost in the mail, so I don’t have the resources for such a study, but that is a testable prediction. It would certainly be a good and very easy direction for Lauer et al. to investigate, they have the records in hand. Here’s their chance to prove me wrong …
My regards to all,
w.
References and Notes for the above quotations from Marchitto et al.
3. M. E. Mann, M. A. Cane, S. E. Zebiak, A. Clement, J. Clim. 18, 447 (2005).
4. A. C. Clement, R. Seager, M. A. Cane, S. E. Zebiak, J. Clim. 9, 2190 (1996).
5. K. M. Cobb, C. D. Charles, H. Cheng, R. L. Edwards, Nature 424, 271 (2003).
6. M. E. Mann et al., Science 326, 1256 (2009).
7. G. A. Vecchi, A. Clement, B. J. Soden, Eos 89, 81 (2008).
PS – Both papers, one discussing the atmosphere and the other the ocean, explicitly note that this thermostatic effect is not correctly simulated by the climate models (GCMs). The Marchitto paper is very clear about exactly why. It is because of one of the most glaring and under-reported shortcomings of the models. Here’s Marchitto again, in case you didn’t catch it the first time through (emphasis mine):
In contrast, fully coupled general circulation models (GCMs) lack a robust thermostat response because of an opposing tendency for the atmospheric circulation itself to strengthen under reduced radiative forcing (7).
Say what? Model circulation strengthens under reduced forcing?
In a natural heat engine, when you add more heat, the heat engine speeds up. We can see this daily in the tropics. As the radiative forcing increases, more and more thunderstorms form, and the atmospheric circulation speeds up. It’s basic meteorology.
In the models, amazingly, as the radiative forcing increases, the atmospheric circulation actually slows down. I might have missed it, but I’ve never seen a modeller address this issue, and I’ve been looking for an explanation since the EOS paper came out. Although to be fair the modellers might have overlooked the problem, it’s far from the only elephant in the model room. But dang, it’s a big one, even among elephants.
So yeah, I can see why the models are missing the proper thermostatic feedback. If your model is so bad that modelled atmospheric circulation slows down when the forcing increases, anything’s possible.
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“four doublings of CO2”. Is that 1+2+3+4 or 1+2+4+8 ?
Does this have anything in common to Lindzen’s Infrared Iris Effect?
Willis I humbly submit that you are WRONG,
That’s a mammoth in the room.
Thank you Willis, our robust self regulating heat source refrigerator with H2O as a refrigerant will confound the AGW crowd. The winter in the north and the summer in the south shows a profound connection to the antics of our heat source Sol.
That is a superb post Willis.
Living in outback Western Australia between 26-27S we have always known that we were is a sort of no mans land.
Too far south to get the regular summer rains and too far north to get the regular winter rains.
I have a new project – correlate solar activity to temperature and rainfall in summer and winter and see if there is an apparent connection.
Well written clear and precise article. Good that you emphasise the differing effects of stratocumulus by day and by night, something which seems to be missing in GCMs.
Can the modellers really believe that atmos. circulation slows down with increased radiative forcing? Extraordinary!
So much common sense in this article, and well written, I hope you will find the funding to take your ideas further
@DOUGLAS TODD old Man
four doublings are 2*2*2*2=16
OK Willis, That’s the Hadley Cell sorted. Now go for the jugular and show how this impacts on the activity and organisation of the Ferrel Cell (and consequential linkage to the Polar Cell).
Now that would be a study worthy of a humongous grant!
Terrific piece, Willis – clear as day. I hope the prediction of your hypothesis does get tested.
Lauer et al. provide observational data that shows in the last two decade time period there is a reduction in marine clouds that accompanies an increase in the ocean surface temperature for latitudes around 30 degrees.
The question is cause or effect? (i.e. Did something else causing the reduction in planetary cloud during the same period? If something else caused a reduction in planetary cloud cover, then the reduction in planetary cloud cover would cause a significant portion of the observed warming during this same period, thereby confusing the issue as to the magnitude of warming due to CO2 increases and confusing the issue as to whether there is an increase or decrease in planetary cloud cover when planetary temperature increases.
The something else hypothesis explains why there was no observed CO2 warming prior to around 1985. The solar magnetic cycle appears to now be interrupted so there should be observational data to prove or disprove the competing hypotheses over the next 5 years.
http://www.probeinternational.org/Livingston-penn-2010.pdf
During the same period of time (last couple of decades) there has been an increase in solar wind bursts, particularly at the end of solar cycles at which time GCR is high. The solar wind bursts remove cloud forming ions via a process called electroscavenging at latitudes between 30 degree to 60 degree (A space charge differential is created in the ionosphere by the solar wind bursts. The space charge differential removes the cloud forming ions. The atmosphere above the oceans is ion poor. The GCR cloud modulation effects are less over the continents as there are ions generated over the continents by radioactive elements in the continental crust. i.e. The atmosphere above the oceans is ion poor without the additional ions that are generated by galactic cosmic ray GCR high energy particles (mostly protons) that strike the upper atmosphere creating MUONs (heavy electrons). The MUONs that travel through the atmosphere creating multiple ions. The effect is dependent on both the number and the velocity of the GCR particles that strike the earth’s upper atmosphere.
The electroscavenging effect makes it appear that planetary cloud cover and planetary albedo (the albedo of the clouds change in addition to the area of cloud cover due to an increase or decrease in ions.) are not modulated by GCR. (GCR is in turn modulated by the strength and the extent of the solar heliosphere. The solar heliosphere is the name for the pieces of the solar magnetic field that are pushed of into space by the solar wind. The strength and extent of the solar heliosphere determines how many GCR particles and the velocity of the GCR that strikes the earth’s atmosphere.
http://sait.oat.ts.astro.it/MSAIt760405/PDF/2005MmSAI..76..969G.pdf
“Once again about global warming and solar activity K. Georgieva, C. Bianchi, and B. Kirov
We show that the index commonly used for quantifying long-term changes in solar activity, the sunspot number, accounts for only one part of solar activity and using this index leads to the underestimation of the role of solar activity in the global warming in the recent decades. A more suitable index is the geomagnetic activity which reflects all solar activity, and it is highly correlated to global temperature variations in the whole period for which we have data.
In Figure 6 the long-term variations in global temperature are compared to the long-term variations in geomagnetic activity as expressed by the ak-index (Nevanlinna and Kataja 2003). The correlation between the two quantities is 0.85 with p<0.01 for the whole period studied.It could therefore be concluded that both the decreasing correlation between sunspot number and geomagnetic activity, and the deviation of the global temperature long-term trend from solar activity as expressed by sunspot index are due to the increased number of high-speed streams of
solar wind on the declining phase and in the minimum of sunspot cycle in the last decades."
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009JA014342.shtml
"If the Sun is so quiet, why is the Earth ringing? A comparison of two solar minimum intervals.
Observations from the recent Whole Heliosphere Interval (WHI) solar minimum campaign are compared to last cycle's Whole Sun Month (WSM) to demonstrate that sunspot numbers, while providing a good measure of solar activity, do not provide sufficient information to gauge solar and heliospheric magnetic complexity and its effect at the Earth."
See section 5a) Modulation of the global circuit in this review paper, by solar wind burst and the process electroscavenging where by increases in the global electric circuit remove cloud forming ions.
The same review paper summarizes the data that does show correlation between low level clouds and GCR.
http://www.utdallas.edu/physics/pdf/Atmos_060302.pdf
From the post by Willis:
“Reduced cloudiness at the cold end of the heat engine is an expected change in this regard, just as we expect (and find) increased cloudiness at the hot end of the heat engine with increasing heat.”
Willis, the increased cloudiness at the hot end only adds to your excellent writing. As this is day time afternoon cloudiness, the effect of additional clouds here is strongly cooling to the surface, and in particular to the three dimensional very large heat capacity of the ocean, which heats primarily through SWR. At the tropics in the afternoon this incoming solar insolation is closer to 1,000 W/m2, and any reduction in SWR entering the ocean here is critical. You are quite correct to state that “when” something happens is a very cogent factor in its effect. The following quote from your post on “how Long: an effect persists is critical as well.
“It is the long-term balance of these flows across the ocean surface that determines the oceanic (and therefore the atmospheric) temperature. As a result, small sustained imbalances can cause gradual temperature shifts of the entire system.”
This very critical to understanding earth’s energy budget. The larger any systems heat capacity, the more energy it can lose or gain in any persistent change in input. A systems heat capacity is also a function of time. The longer any given input can stay within a system, the greater its heat capacity. On earth our oceans contain up to 1000 times more energy then the atmosphere. Any change in input to the oceans will overtime far out weigh the same change in input or residence time to the atmosphere as the following simple traffic illustration displays.
1. On a highway if ten cars per hour enter the highway, and the cars are on the road for ten hours before exiting, there will be 100 cars on the road and as long as these factors remain the same the system is in balance. If you change the INPUT to eleven cars per hour, then over a ten hour period the system will increase from 100 cars to 110 cars before a balance is restored and no further increase occurs. The same effect as the increase in INPUT achieves can be realized by either slowing the cars down 10% or by lengthening the road 10%. In either case you have increased the energy in the system by ten percent by either increasing the residence time or the input.
2. Now lets us take the case of a very slow or long road with the same input. Ten cars per hour input, 1000 hours on the road, now you have ten thousand cars on the road. Now lets us increase the input to eleven cars per hour just as we did on the road with a ten hour residence time. Over a 1,000 hour period we have the same 10% increase in cars (energy) How ever, due to the greater capacity on that road, the cars (energy) have increased 100 times relative to the 10 hour road with a 10% increase in input. (1,000 car increase verses a 10 car increase.) Any change in the input or the residence time on this 1,000 hour road will have a 100 times greater effect then on the 10 hour road if the input change endures for 1,000 hours. The ocean of course is the 1000 hour road, the atmosphere is the 10 hour road.
Outstanding Willis! This analysis is one of your best written ones yet, crystal clear and exceptionally easy to follow. It drips with common sense and I love that. Having lived all my life between 18 and 27 degrees North I can attest to your explanations fitting a lifetime of my observations. Thank You!
Regards,
Jose
As for the lack of ability for GCM’s to describe the thermostat effect, there should be important defects. My gut feeling is that one of those defects is the assumption of constant relative humidity.
Grumpy Old Man>
Neither. It’s 1*2 = 2 => 2*2 = 4 => 4*2 = 8 => 8*2=16
“In short, their study reports that when the ocean gets warmer at the equator, it gets cooler at 30°N, and vice versa. They also find that this effect is visible on annual through millennial timescales. Unsurprisingly, this is not found in the GCMs.”
Should look at this monthly in comparison to land temperature deviations, that would help to define the ENSO function.
I see the circus at Cancun has ended with what is being hailed as an agreement. Lookinmg forward to an analysis of what idiocy has this bunch of nut jobs committed us to.
Seems like even a couple hours between data points is too coarse a resolution to model diurnal cloud changes in GCMs. Are those parameterized? If so, do they change the parameters to account for warming?
To amplify William’s point, the solar wind is linked to the Earth’s geomagnetic indices, especially Dst.
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/earths-magnetic-field-mimics-solar-activity/
This was covered in a WUWT post recently that Leif, Vuk and I were active on. The Dst index is measuring the ring current which circles the Earth high up in the atmosphere. Geomagnetic storms caused by solar activity induce extra current and this changes ionisation in the atmosphere, which affects cloud condensation nuclei production rates.
This is a way the sun’s activity affects climate which is not measured by changes in TSI alone, and could be part of the amplification mechanism described by Nir Shaviv in his JGR paper ‘Using the oceans as a calorimeter’.
http://sciencebits.com/calorimeter
This mechanism may be complementary to the Svensmark hypothesis.
Erl Happ has recently been doing extensive work in this area and has determine a link between Dst changes and ENSO. I hope he finds the time to comment here, but here’s a quick summary:
“In brief, change in the differential pressure that drives the Westerly winds in winter in both hemispheres is coincidental with warming of the upper troposphere in the mid and low latitudes that, my logic suggests, will reduce cloud cover. At any rate there is an observable increase in Sea Surface temperature that is coincident and coextensive.
The change in the pressure relations that we associate with the AAO index and the AO index that is responsible for the increase in the differential pressure driving the westerlies and coincident with upper troposphere warming (and associated cloud loss) is associated with fluctuation in the solar wind as measured in the Dst index. And that is the driver of ENSO and also the warming and cooling of the globe on longer time scales.
Energetically, negative Dst is associated with a fall in sea surface pressure at the poles.”
I have looked at the Pacific Ocean (mainly North) and found five critical elements, not all geographic, which I think may have profound impact on the Pacific oscillations. They are all based on reliable data of physical events not considered to be related to the climate.
Two out of five have already produced important results as shown here:
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/NPG.htm
Enneagram says: December 9, 2010 at 5:11 am
What do you mean by Gateway?
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My neighbours have one of those remotely controlled electric gates, for way in and out.
No conflict there with sun etc.
Ian H says:
December 11, 2010 at 5:49 am
“I see the circus at Cancun has ended with what is being hailed as an agreement. Lookinmg forward to an analysis of what idiocy has this bunch of nut jobs committed us to.”
They have agreed on trying to agree next year in SA.
I have been thinking about the ways that GCRs might modulate feedback. The hypothesis is that GCR effects do not necessarily translate into warming or cooling (i.e. be quantified productively as a forcing), but rather the way weather responds to other forcings such as solar TSI and CO2 increases. Those changes can include the cloud changes mentioned above but also the blocking shown in http://www.appmath.columbia.edu/ssws/index.php
I’ve been trying to get some feedback at http://www.skepticalscience.com/cosmic-rays-and-global-warming.htm without much luck so far. It seems to me that essential link from GCR to climate is that GCR modulates the weather in general and clouds in particular. The thread above shows how clouds modulate the heat engine and I would posit that GCR modulates the heat engine thereby adding damping or amplification to warming from any forcing. For example, the slight but steady warming from CO2 can be amplified or damped by the heat engine but the heat engine is modulated by GCRs.
Likewise for studies of past interglacial warming, the missing element seems to be the modulation of feedback controls like the heat engine. The last interglacial before the present one showed an abrupt decrease in GCR:
http://ruby.fgcu.edu/courses/twimberley/EnviroPhilo/WhatsNew.pdf The article of course is intended to dismiss all GCR effects by analyzing them as forcings and not as a modulator of weather. Anyway that abrupt decrease coincides with the rapid warming in the interglacial. I would maintain that the rapid warming caused by an amplification of solar forcing (along with the NH albedo decreases and other Milankovitch cycle factors).
It also seems likely that late 20th century GCR decreases helped warming (natural TSI and anthro CO2 forced).
Beautiful logic, Willis, thanks!
I have posted the following rant yesterday on notrickszone, but i’d like to repost it here because it might help explain the obnoxious attitude of AGW climatologists:
Why do climatologists hate new evidence-based discoveries? They hate it; they fight it, they try to rebut it as far as they can. Why? This is completely contradicting the behaviour in other scientific fields.
The reason is: Every time a new mechanism gets discovered they would have to rework their computer programs to take it into account – imagine, just after you made your complicated GCM hindcast the past correctly, and you had to find the exact right combination of 20 parameters to have the best curve fit, comes some post doc scientist with a study that proves the influence of, say, cosmic rays.
You have to make it go away, or you would have to start from scratch with your huge computer model all over again!
They are simply red-queened; they lose ground even while running under the shifting sands of knowledge… Their GCMs are their own maintenance nightmare, and they must suppress all new science because they need to perfect their beautiful mechanisms!
(I had the Svensmark hypothesis in mind when writing it; but it’s equally true for the stunning fact that the circulation in GCM’s slows down when more energy comes in. Fixing it in the models would probably mean a major rework.)
I should mention that the specific problem with the “What’s New Under the Sun” paper is that they use GCR proxies as an indicator of solar activity, then translate solar activity to relatively small changes in TSI, then dismiss it. That is backwards, IMO, the GCRs are the main effect modulating weather in the way described in this thread.