Wikileaks cables: on climate, IPCC, Copenhagen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-us-manipulated-climate-accord
WikiLeaks cables reveal how US manipulated climate accord
Embassy dispatches show America used spying, threats and promises of aid to get support for Copenhagen accord

We’ve got folks of integrity all over this globe. Some may be a bit ‘slower’ than others
in seeing Truth, but ~ they’re friends, nonetheless.
So many of us have become ‘watchmen’ by what appears to be coincidence ~ but, also understand that there is NO SUCH THING as that word.
To put my ‘faith’ where my typing fingers are, too, Anthony. I’m getting on my knees
right now for you and your family and I don’t even know what’s going on, but God assuredly does… I’m off to lift you and your family up.
C.L. Thorpe

Amen, Quinn. Well said.
C.L. Thorpe

Does anyone wonder whether the EU cartel on carbon emissions matters in reality?
John

“I’m blogging from a public terminal at a hospital”
Anthony your dedication is remarkable, and I thank you for it! You and your site have made a real difference.
The “shakedown” mentioned by Quinn the Eskimo above has always been pretty obvious but these leaked emails just make that clear – rather like what the Climategate emails did.
Not as well explained is that the UN et al are part of it, facilitating it, and that global multinationals are the ones which will benefit the most.
Interesting in the first link, the Guardian, always a source of unimpeachable truth, maintains the mantra of the US being the ‘world’s largest polluter’ even though China has now become #1.
Hope all goes well where you are.

Can anyone copy these cables and post them in full here? I cannot ever get on the UK Guardian and Wikileaks is moving around shifting sand. Or can these cables be found elsewhere? Thanks

…GREAT FILM CLIP…now……..since I’ve only enjoyed ‘So Dear to My Heart’ and ‘Seven Brides for Seven Brothers’………can someone fill me in on where this comes
from???
ps ~ a few years ago, when Ian and I drove my Aussie parents-in-law around 10,000 miles to ‘see the U.S.A’ for the first time, there was a tornado while we were on the road. When I woke in the morning, the little city we were near was pretty devastated, but ~ at the local car dealership there was a HUGE American flag on a big flag pole that had been ripped through. I gasped as I took in the sight:
The flag ~ Ol’ Glory ~ was being propped up by a beefy pickup truck. I was amazed
and thought that it was pretty clearly a vision of how America is gonna be saved
on the backs of GRATEFUL hard-working Christian Americans. No Less. (I feel the fear leaving and the intensity growing. There will certainly BE A CLIMATE CHANGE but, jus’ not what them ‘greenies’ had in mind…
Well, that was the truthful story and now..prayerfully someone can tell me where I can find that DVD to watch the rest of that movie. Now…..where’s my popcorn…?
C.L. Thorpe

Dutch internet users start petition addressed to the Dutch Prime Minister to offer political asylum, legal support and personal protection for Assange and to offer a redundant provider services to keep Wikileaks online.
Save WIKILEAKS
http://www.joop.nl/politiek/detail/artikel/rutte_red_wikileaks/
Use Google Translator Dutch/English and if possible sign the petition.

“The biggest shock has been Japan’s announcement that it will not support an extension of the existing Kyoto climate treaty. That gives a huge boost to the accord. US diplomatic wheeling and dealing may, it seems, be bearing fruit.”

Cancun will work out just fine now that prayers have been offered to the Mayan Moon Godess:
http://www.liquida.com/blog-news/14143496/cancun-climate-change-global-warming/

Anthony,
Hoping all is well with Mrs. Watts and the hospital visit is a scheduled check-up.
Best regards to you both.
I am not sure on the focus on ‘countries’ (Quinn the Eskimo), thank you for your insightful comment. Surely interest groups within countries needs to be plotted?
Yes, great clip, thanks for posting
Cynthia – you may also enjoy the versions by Patti Page (1950) and Patsy Cline (3/1963 for the US Airforce) – The Tennessee Waltz – on you tube.
Wiki states the TTW was the highest selling in Japan- where rating is of musical quality rather than country or name of artist (28/12/1974).

Wow. this is big.
I used to think that Wikileaks was a lot about ruining the efforts of the US and allies in Iraq and Afghanistan.
But I have begun to think that the corruption of the Karzai regime and the unwillingness of the Obama government to push for fair, democratic elections and government in Afghanistan are the most important threats to convincing Afghanis that democracy is a good thing.
Wikileaks exposes the dealings of US diplomats with corrupt Afghani government officials.
And the more the political elites in Europe and the world isolate themselves from, and lie to the populations they are supposed to represent, the more I am happy that Wikileaks shows what they are really up to.
I am carefully beginning to like Wikileaks.

Van Who? Oh yes, that unelected faceless guy from Belgium. This is the man who thinks that the EU will make war in Europe impossible. The way things are going here it will make war more likely. I do not take much notice of anything he says so this statement is possibly his way of energizing things to get some agreement. Beware Belgians bearing gifts!

oldseadog says:
December 4, 2010 at 12:47 am
I’m interested to see that The Guardian now thinks that the EU is a “country”.
Or have I missed something?

Perhaps that countries in EU are now sometimes referred to as ‘regions’. Not a good idea.

Wikileaks is providing us with some magnificent context information about what is really going on between the ruling elite, who own big business, and their puppet politicians.
We need to be vocal in our support for Julian Assange, the owner of this conduit of free speech, as he will come under more pressure from a raft of dirty tricks in the coming weeks.

Bit off topic,
Are we freezing because of global warming?
According to Prof Mark Maslin, of University College London, there seems – at present – “to be no evidence of changes in the Atlantic circulation which could account for the last two harsh winters”. There are, he says, shorter-term patterns in ocean circulation which have a major effect, and have been linked to the severe winters in the 1940s and 1960s. But again, that is probably NOT the case today.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/8178162/Are-we-freezing-because-of-global-warming.html

Coals of Fire- that Lil’ Abner clip is right on. I am a fan of Al Capp. What a ball he
would’ve had with this current political climate 🙂
Oh, Anthony, Godspeed….

Paul Coppin says:
December 4, 2010 at 8:31 am
Thank you. That needed to be said.

Paul Coppin says:
December 4, 2010 at 8:31 am
“It simply boggles the mind the shallowness of thought that infests so many, especially those from Europe and the left. Assange is no friend of “free speech”, nor of western civilization.”
Paul, you have a very naive view of the current global political system. If you really still believe that party politics of left and right have any relevance your must either be taking the cool-aid or live with your head buried deep in the sand. If you take the time to look at the context of the Wikileaks documents, then you will find out that what we call democracy is in fact a sham and most western politicians are working to the same imposed agenda whatever party is in power.
Without whistle-blowers, and a place for them to safely publish their information, most people would be left with relying on the far from independent MSM to find out what’s happening across the globe. So it is important that Julian Assange et al get support, no matter what you think about the guy. Otherwise the ruling elite that want to move the public to accept a totalitarian world government will win and personal freedom become a mere memory.
In view of the high stakes involved, while it is regrettable that there will be a few casualties along the way, it is essential that the public become aware before it is too late.

Tenuc, please, you don’t anything about me, nor apparently do you know much about “democracy”, or the political realities of business, or power. If the content of this batch of stuff from Wikileaks is a revelation to you, than it is you who are naive, or have been, for a very long time. You really need to have a very close look at Julian Assange. Western society is not a product of democracy, notwithstanding the high rhetoric. It is, mostly, a product of “tribal” feudalism, with a few elevated monarchs thrown in, and sops to the masses in the guise of republicanism because its easier to throw a bone than to constantly oppress. Thus it has been and will likely be forever more. Think long and hard about how a true democracy might flourish. There is a convergence point where democracy and anarchy cross, both to expand out to a form of authoritarianism on the other side. Contemplate the “tyranny of the majority” for a bit.
There is a standard, almost trite, common expression in investigative work (especially police or financial investigation, which is what I do for a western government): “follow the money”. All wikileaks is going to do is point out the obvious to those who are aware (I have read many of the cables, few surprises). What I do know is how governments view security and information management. I do know their capacity for surveillance and control, especially technologically. I do know how some of the consequences of this will unfold because I work in that world. Everyone will view the information through the lens of their own nation-state’s culture. Enlightened Americans, Canadians and Britons will be mostly amused. I suspect many Europeans will be troubled. They should have been at the outset of the EU.
It will come as a surprise to you and many others to learn that governance is a dirty job. It will come as a bigger surprise that that won’t change. The world is not blessed with an equality of resources, climate, space or ideologies. Who decides who shares? We have a million years of evolution that has and will continue to demonstrate the answer to that question.
tenuc wrote: In view of the high stakes involved, while it is regrettable that there will be a few casualties along the way, it is essential that the public become aware before it is too late.
This is just a headbanger of a statement: The “public” doesn’t care – you will see that. But the shaker is this: “it is regrettable there will be casualties along the way” So, whose moral judgment decides, yours or the government’s? Tell me, how is your agenda better than that of those you condemn? Who are you going to sacrifice?
Here’s a quote from the Times of London, as reported by CBS:
“Hundreds of Afghan civilians who worked as informants for the U.S. military have been put at risk by WikiLeaks’ publication of more than 90,000 classified intelligence reports which name and in many cases locate the individuals, The Times newspaper reported Wednesday….
The article says, in spite of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s claim that sensitive information had been removed from the leaked documents, that reporters scanning the reports for just a couple hours found hundreds of Afghan names mentioned as aiding the U.S.-led war effort.”
Who decides?
Assange had the opportunity to repudiate Bradley Manning while still preserving some of the documentation to make his point. He chose not to do that, as he has done before – he is simply conducrting a grand experiment – he really doesn’t care about the casualties – he’s on record for that – casualties in the thousands for which he freely admits he’s likely responsible in previous releases, but has no moral regard. Assange is a sociopath, not a hero.

…can’t tell you all how much I enjoy ‘Watts Up’. (Yes, even when Lance and that…”initials” guy wanted to slap God in the face…no biggie, He can handle that!)
I find my way here to ‘listen to/read’ REALITY mixed with brilliant wit (dare I say, Genius, as well…so, I’m giving thanks for all of you.)
Jessie, thanks for the ‘heads up’… Smokey, gosh…yeah… we could go to that EU place and just laugh and laugh at that ‘faceless’ demagogue, ‘whats his name’… and Douglas… more brilliant thoughts, et al…et ALL.
After thanking you all and praying for the Watt family ~ I’d like to say that I believe
‘two surgeries’ have taken place. One, in Europe and one in the U.S.A….that happened over the last ohhhhhhh……. let’s say, 20 years.
In Europe, I believe WWII was meant to take the European people’s HEART. They were faced with such depravity and (most of them) lacked such COURAGE that rather than feeling sorry and saying so ~ they, instead chose to kinda ‘implode’ ~ ’cause there’s no way (even the Tin Man had one…) to exist devoid of emotions – hense, my ‘heart’ analogy. Since that time, Europeans have seemed pretty ‘heartless’
to me…. (not to worry… Now, I’m gonna deal with America, too – as it’s only Truth and only FAIR…)
When Clinton ‘dropped trou’ (pronounced TR-OW…short for trousers, guys.) NOTHING could’ve slapped Americans more…..’cept a semen stained dress which Monica gloriously revealed (sans dry cleaning) and we only remained angry and (MOST NOTICEABLY) SILENT… That’s when, in my opinion…… America was led into……….say……….oh…………The Cleveland Clinic……..and she had her spine removed.
There she lay on the operating table…being told that ‘all of this was for her good’ and she was lulled off to sleep by the anesthesiologist’s gas… and her ‘doctors’ (Joseph Mengla (sp?) anyone???) took out her entire spine – from stem to stern, sotospeak.
The real humiliation happened post surgery. She woke to endless indoctrinations
that were supposedly supposed to be P.T. – but………..GUYS……………How are ya gonna ‘walk’……………HOW IS AMERICA GONNA WALK………… if she HAS NO SPINE LEFT???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!
We can ‘listen to all the experts’ who have our dear lady Liberty strapped to the gurney with all the Nautilus equipment they ‘say’ she needs to walk once again ~
but, you and I know that IN REALITY they’ve taken her SPINE and without a backbone ~ no matter HOW they ‘dress her up’ she’s gonna slime around like she’s
an octopus, right???
Point? You want a POINT to this STORY??? (don’t worry, I’m not gonna do ‘Hantzel
and Gretal’ next……..it scared me too much………. THE POINT IS that the BRILLIANT INTELLECTS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND EVEN FRIENDS OF THEIRS ‘GLOBALLY’ NEED TO GET ON THEIR KNEES IN PRAYER AND ‘KNOW’ THAT WE SERVE A GOD THAT CAN ‘RE-GENERATE’ THAT SPINE OF LADY LIBERTY’S!!!!!!!! She will STAND, she will SAUNTER, she will once again GET TO HER KNEES (a place I heartily recommend to us all) and then, be able to stand in COURAGE (NOT IN HOLLOW SELF-ADMIRATION, BUT WITH ‘THANKS’ THAT SHE RECEIVED FROM HER MAKER WHAT HE ALONE COULD GIVE HER – (I’m talking to ALL OF YOU COOL GUYS ON THIS SITE, NOW) She
cries out to her God and says she’s sorry for allowing men and women with a filthy
agenda to mark up the oval office rug… and SHE WILL STAND GLORIOUSLY ONCE MORE. And………then, (as this story goes) she can assist Europe ’cause by seeing U.S. they will get another HEART and gee wizz guys………..THEN, when ‘our Kenyan-in-Chief’ writes another book at Christ-mas………mebbe he will even entitle it – :
“MY COUNTRY, TIS OF THEE – SWEET LAND OF LIBERTY – OF ‘THEE’ (not the two little daughters, right?) I SING.”
….Land where my father’s died, land of the Pilgrims pride, FROM EVERY MOUNTAIN-SIDE let freedom ring… Our Father God, to THEE, Author of Liberty
to THEE we give PRAISE – LONG MY OUR LAND BE BRIGHT WITH FREEDOM’S HOLY LIGHT, PROTECT US BY THY MIGHT, GREAT GOD – OUR KING.
Now, Gentlemen………….THAT’S a song that needs to be sung again rather than this crap ‘Obama-rocks’ stuff they’re feeding our grand kids in school…………isn’t it?
Stand up where ever you may be – hit your knees (privately, of course) and apologize to GOD alone – and THEN, let’s watch Our Lady Liberty (miracle of miracles) get her new spine and then she’ll help her/our friends in Europe get a new Heart.
God bless all you guys for putting up with me. (warm smiles)
Cynthia Lauren Thorpe
A PROUD AMERICAN living in beautiful Kingston SE, SA

Coalsoffire says:
December 3, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Yes Quinn,

That video says a lot. It’s from a 1956 musical. Here we are nearly 55 years later and government hasn’t changed. I guess it never will.
Most of what I’ve seen in the Guardian’s articles says that bribes and corruption are going on at the highest levels. Companies get slammed for those tactics yet the government does it with impunity. What a sad state of affairs.

Comment fell into auto moderation, I trust it is still o.k.

The guy behind the site is a d-bag, but his Philosophy is more or less correct.
Leaks are needed, but need to be limited.
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IMHO