Yesterday we saw the satellite image of the UK, buried under snow for the second time in 2010, see UK Covered in snow, for the second winter. And we’ve seen and heard the reports about the impact snow is having in the UK and in Europe. Now let’s have alook at some cold records.
Translated from http://www.yr.no/english/1.7405789 yr.no is the joint online weather service from the Norwegian Meteorological Institute and the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation.
Norway got over a hundred new records in November.
Cold, colder, coldest. Unless you remember back to the year 1919, November 2010 is definitely the “coldest.”
The whole country is in the freezer
In the middle of November, it was extremely cold in many parts of the country, “says Hans Olav Hygen.
It is not uncommon for parts of the country to stand out when meteorologists summarize the weather of the past. This time the whole of Norway that stands out.
“It is so special that large areas are cold at once. It has simply been an unusual situation that has pumped cold air into the country, “said Hygen.
On the whole, Norway has therefore experienced the coldest month of November since 1919, with the full 3.57 degrees below the normal level. Because the norm is regarded as cold , this is a very big difference!
In many parts of the country, this is the coldest November in living memory, “commented Hygen.
Of the various regions is the Trøndelag and western that stands out the most:
| Region | Deviations from the norm | |
|---|---|---|
| Norway | -3,57 | |
| Eastern | -3,66 | |
| Agder College | -2,85 | |
| Western Norway | -3,58 | |
| Trøndelag | -4,42 | |
| North Norway | -3,28 |
Norwegian November stats published today showing 93 of 200 national stations setting record lows (average or absolute) for November.
http://www.yr.no/nyheter/1.7405789
A station like Utsira, in the middle of the Gulf current, had a min low of -6.2 beating the 1890 record of -5.6
h/t to readers “rtgr” and Geir Nøklebye
Norway is pretty bad re. AGW. There are no politicians declaring the whole thing for the scam that it is. Most scientists are either pro AGW or keep their mouths shut. Media censor reader’s comments RC-style.
Sometimes, though, you get a glimpse of reality, from Dagbladet today:
Tror kulde skaper klimatvil (“believes the cold creates climate doubt”)
http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/12/04/nyheter/miljo/klimaendringer/kulde/14571242/
The article says that the number of norwegians believing climate change is caused by humans is down from 58% in Feb 2002 to 51% now.
Google translate (via Tiny URL)
http://tinyurl.com/32jt3ed
Look at who the norwegian media are asking for expert views of why this change has come about:
We are spoon-fed this stuff every day. Sometimes I thing it will never end. But it will.
We have a short break in the weather here in Wales where the temperature has risen to the dizzy heights of 4c. We are told by the Met Office that the cold conditions will return tomorrow. Getting through huge amounts of bird food as we have a had a major influx of birds from the continent fleeing arctic conditions.
La Nina winters often start cold, and then become milder, which may explain the old rhyme:
“Ice in November thick enough to hold a duck
Means nothing thereafter but rain and muck.”
Joe Bastardi and others predict a cold start, followed by a milder winter, however Joe Bastardi poked around the old records, and found the exception to the rule, which was the very cold winter of 1917, which he calls “the La Freaka winter.”
Therefore you young fellows with good circulation can keep your hopes up for a winter that makes your teeth chatter. As for me, I like it warm.
Carsten Arnholm, Norway says:
December 4, 2010 at 2:02 am
“It is common for short-term weather events are mixed up with long-term climate trends, “said Professor Mike Hulme at East Anglia University in Britain.”
Yes, and look who they ask. Of course no one else could be found.
Mike “lets get all the dollars we can from climate” Hulme.
>>Fortunately we have moved on are now more aware of the impact of
>>our jibes and digs at other cultures.
You sound like the typical PC bullyboy that we are faced with in the Warmist brigades – do as I say and speak like I demand, otherwise I am going to call you names and report you to the PC police, and compare you with holocaust deniers (or racists).
If you think a comparison with the Moon is going to offend other cultures and the mentally ill, you need to get out and socialise more. There is a big world out there, you know, and many of its people laugh, have fun and make jokes. Lighten up, chum, life is for living.
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Brendan H,
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.html
Seems you are right. There are areas where it is warmer than normal. Being insular you probably didn’t realize that you were in a warm pocket while the ocean in general is cooling in you area and by average.
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2010/11/preliminary-november-2010-sst-anomaly.html
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps
(select sea surface temperatures)
All you Norse folks,
My grandfather was born and raised on Midgulen fjord and supposedly skated down the coast to Bergen back in the 1890s. Do any of you have records/stories that would back this up? Given the above conversations, it must have had an additional Gulfstream element not currently found.
Man Tran,
The last decades in the 19. century were very cold in Norway, the last breath of the LIA they say. Then, the climate became warmer for a period, the 1930’s were just as warm as the 1990’s. In between we had a 30-35 year period of cold climate again. My father in law told me when he was a kid (in the 50’s), they used small ice shelfs as boats. Just for fun. This was in spring, because during the winter, there where seaice all along the coast. This was a bit north of Bergen, but still way south of Trondheim. These areas have the same climate/temperatures.
As you mention, the Golfstream makes all the difference. These parts of Norway is as far north as the Hudson Bay, but the climate are much nicer/warmer. We have had 2 cold periods and 2 warm periods since late 1800’s, each about 30-35 years. You can see this in the november temperatures as well (se the article). Now the 3. cold period has just started (cold winter last year as well), we’re (ok, I’m..) expecting cold climate until ca 2040.
savethesharks: “”And there is definitely no reason for me to care about your musings here, either.”
I’m not asking you to. The original question was: “Why should I care about it?” (ie the average global temperature), which is more an assertion than a question, so depends on what you think about AGW.
kuhnkat: “Being insular you probably didn’t realize that you were in a warm pocket while the ocean in general is cooling in you area and by average.”
As you can see from the URL, one of the articles I linked to referred to a La Nina weather pattern.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4418027/La-Nina-brings-scorching-summer
Ralph says:
You sound like the typical PC bullyboy that we are faced with in the Warmist brigades – do as I say and speak like I demand, otherwise I am going to call you names and report you to the PC police, and compare you with holocaust deniers (or racists).
If you think a comparison with the Moon is going to offend other cultures and the mentally ill, you need to get out and socialise more. There is a big world out there, you know, and many of its people laugh, have fun and make jokes. Lighten up, chum, life is for living.
Hi Ralph, good to hear from you. When we accuse our opponents of being mentally ill, or label them with sly racist comments it’s not clever. It’s a bit like warmists accusing us of right wing bias, being funded by oil and filming videos of dubious taste. It’s just dumb. We are supposed to be the good guys. There is never anything funny about discrimination, it’s the last resort of those who use such terminology to accuse someone who is offended of having no sense of humour. Should we have laughed at children being blown up for questioning climate change science? Should we tell Anthony to get a life when he is insulted by warmists? should we be free to disregard decency that has built up through the efforts of many people over the last 50 years. Of course not. As an American you may have differing perceptions to Europeans, I accept that, but try also to accept that people on this site from minority cultures do deserve some respect, and calling people c**** is never acceptable, even when it is tortuously rationalised by saying it was meant to be lunatic. Try and stick to the science, and if someone does feel they have been insulted, go with it, it’s no great problem, it’s not about bullying or political correctness. It’s just about common decency, Ask yourself, would you speak to individuals from various cultures using on a face to face basis using the terms bandied about above? Of course not,because you are likely to be like most people, a thoroughly decent chap who would not wish to needlessly insult or hurt anyone. But I will take your advice and brave the cold for a nice room temperature pint of real ale tonight. Hopefully no-one will call me “chum” which is a type of dog food and not term used in the UK towards individuals, though it may have been used in the 1940s so may have crossed the water then
Cheers.
Mines a Felyn Foel.
The Long Ranger
http://www.accuweather.com/video/697195930001/the-long-ranger.asp?channel=vbbastaj
Heck of a problem at our local keeping the beer at the correct temp. As posters know good beer should always be served at room temp, but our landlords cellars are not coping with the cold. We have had to resort to putting our pints in front of the fire to warm them a tad before drinking them. Lord knows what it must be like for our Scandinavian cousins. I did however hear a strange rumour that in North America people enjoy their beer in this way. Very odd. I wonder if this tradition is contributing to what appears to be climate cooling.
Act locally, help the climate, drink your beer nice and warm, you know it’s good for you!
Sweden is very cold too. I remember hearing that this November was the coldest ever in Stockholm (but I haven’t dug up official figures). Eg railway traffic is severely disrupted.
–Ahrvid
I agree. Just makes you feel all, er, warm inside, don’t it? Someone pass me a kleenex.
Gareth: “Act locally, help the climate, drink your beer nice and warm, you know it’s good for you!”
You mean “it’s good for what ales you”.
Well I really didn’t pay much attention to this thread; what’s to complain about; so Norway is cold.
Well I decided to read it all anyway. How nice to hear from all you Vikings, and read your stories of local weather lore; and your place names are like a magic book; Bergen and Trondheim; sound like fairy tale places.
So who’se great idea was it to rename Christiania to Oslo, which sort of sounds a bit blah.
How the hell are we supposed to learn where our ski turns come from; if they keep on renaming everything. That part of Europe is one part I would really like to visit. Is Finland really as Sibelius pictures it ? We learned today that the Finns, and the South Koreans have the smartest Science and Maths students; apparently the parents think that is more valuable than learning how to put a condom on a cucumber. Dunno why the parents are aloud to decide what their children are taught; we got rid of that idea here in America; the gummint are so much smarter than the parents.
I’m hoping that at least some Viking genes made it down into my Scottish/English ancestry; but I have to admit that Dala Horses; have me a bit baffled.
But back to your weather; sort of spooky to see your nummers, and read the same on the DMI high arctic Temperature graph.
I think I would be having a beer too if I was in your situation. Skoll!