I wonder if the “Climate Science Rapid Response Team” is going?
From PR Newswire Available for Radio and All Media
CANCUN, Mexico, Nov. 24, 2010 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — CFACT, the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, will feature two prominent experts on climate science and policy at COP 16, the UN conference on climate change which convenes next week in Cancun.
Lord Christopher Monckton will be in Cancun December 1 – 10.
Dr. Roy Spencer will be in Cancun December 6 – 10.
Both will be available (allowing for travel) before and after Cancun.
Last year COP 15 in Copenhagen ended without serious progress on a successor treaty to the Kyoto protocol. A series of meetings in Germany and China were likewise inconclusive. The UNFCCC is under severe pressure to jump start the treaty process in Mexico, however, public doubts about climate science and policy coupled with an inability of developed and developing nations to find common ground leave the UNFCCC with a daunting task ahead.
With billions at stake for carbon traders (whose markets expire with the Kyoto protocol), warming science and policy campaigners, developing nations and subsidized industries in Cancun, the push for a new treaty will be fierce. The treaty proposals being circulated impose crippling costs and regulations that will choke off economic recovery while doing nothing to alter the climate. CFACT, Dr. Spencer and Lord Monckton will open minds and effectively challenge a scientific “consensus” that never was, detail global warming’s scope, causes and effects, separate smart energy strategies from waste and skewer the global warming lobby’s propaganda and abusive tactics.
Dr. Roy W. Spencer is a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. He was formerly a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA. He is co-developer of the original satellite method for precise monitoring of global temperatures from Earth-orbiting satellites. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming. He recently wrote, The Great Global Warming Blunder: How Mother Nature Fooled the World’s Top Climate Scientist. In 2008 he wrote The New York Times bestseller, Climate Confusion.
Lord Christopher Monckton, Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, has been a leader of CFACT’s delegations to numerous UN summits. He has held positions with the British press and in government, as a press officer at the Conservative Central Office and as Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher’s policy advisor. Monckton advised Thatcher on technical issues such as warship hydrodynamics, psephological modeling; embryological research, hydrogeology, public-service investment analysis, public welfare modeling, and epidemiological analysis. He is author of a detailed analysis and summary of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Changes’ Fourth Assessment Report.
SOURCE Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow
h/t to R. de Haan
I have too, and I was equally impressed.
As to Anthony’s tongue-in-cheek comparison to Al Gore, whatever your opinion of either one, there is one irrefutable difference between them, namely Lord Monckton is more than happy to take and answer questions from anyone and everyone, whatever their viewpoint. And he always tells people not to take his word for it but do their own research. Oh, and he makes a point of stating that revealing the truth is the ultimate aim of science. When was the last time Al Gore did any of that?
What fun this site is! I’m delighted Monckton is going to Cancun. Yes, he does speak and write well and convincingly, which is more than can be said for a lot of people. The side of him that worries me is his stupid religiosity which, fortunately, hasn’t appeared in his arguments against the global warming mob. And the side of others that worries me is that they seem to care whether he’s a lord or not and all that crap. It’s irrelevant. His name is Christopher Monckton. He’s a good debater against warmists. Bin the rest.
Lots of criticism here of Christopher Monckton.
Mainly from trolls, of course – The Man They Love to Hate.
There is a number of things that Monckton says that I don’t agree with (and in particular his continued support for Maggie Thatcher – one of those guilty of setting up the whole cAGW scam in the first place).
But I think he himself is sound on the climate debate and (as has been pointed out) has effectively spanked the warmists on numerous occasions.
OK, he may not have qualifications in what passes for “Climate Science”. Just like Al Gore, Joe Romm, Bob Ward, George Monbiot, Lord Stern, Robert Watson, Crispin Tickell, Maurice Strong, John Abraham, Rajendra Pachauri and all the rest of them.
And when we’re talking about “real” Climate Scientists like Sir John Houghton, Michael Mann, Keith Briffa, Gavin Schmidt, Jim Hansen, Phil Jones, Kevin Trenberth and all that dismal cabal of the third rate, the barmy and the dishonest, I doubt if Monckton spens much time sobbing into his pillow because of this gap in his CV.
The criticisms also miss the obvious point that the whole cAGW scam is only peripherally to do with science, anyway. And if we’re getting down to the dirty business of policy and politics and carbon trading then Chris Monckton (or even I) have as much right to pitch in as anyone else. And I do wish I was good at it as Chris Monckton.
Go get ’em, Chris!
I wish them both every success. I hope that they remember the old saying- ‘Convince a man against his will he’s of the same opinion still’.
The politicians want to believe the climate change problems exist so as to control the profligate population and keep them under the thumb.
John Marshall says:
November 28, 2010 at 2:31 am
I wish them both every success. I hope that they remember the old saying- ‘Convince a man against his will he’s of the same opinion still’.
The politicians want to believe the climate change problems exist so as to control the profligate population and keep them under the thumb.
Yes, there’s a bit of conspiracy in that but also a lot of truth. It is certainly true of some if not all politicians anyway. But there is another important issue which has to be overcome; sooner or later, all the scientists, environmentalists, journalists and politicians who have fallen for the CO2 AGW hypothesis will have to admit that they have been gullible fools. A good scientist will change his/her opinion in light of new evidence – a la Judith Curry for example. But very few politicians will ever admit that they have got it all wrong, not publicly anyway. The role of the media will be key here, but given their track record on CAGW so far I am not too optimistic. I have previously pointed out to UK journalists (in emails to Channel 4 News, Newsnight etc.) that the opposite of sceptical is gullible, and that scepticism is surely a necessity for good journalism, but to no avail, they have all got the faith and can’t be swayed it seems.
Owen says:
November 27, 2010 at 5:39 pm
“Monctkon is a circus act. In a real scientific debate with scientists, where there is plenty of time to explore depth of knowledge and to fully respond to wild claims,”
Aye, but there’s the rub! Sadly those who profess to be climatologists have, over the past year, been proven to lack scientific rigour at best and to be dishonest and incompetent manipulators of the data at worst.
As far as depth of knowledge is concerned, they crumble into headless chickens when confronted by anyone with a grasp of the scientific principles that they have debauched in order to arrive at their dubious and financially self serving conclusions.
And as to wild claims, the whole edifice of AGW/ACC /ACDisruption is built on the shifting sands of hyperbole.
I think you will find that the anachronistic circus act is in Cancun, and that their white elephants are not on tour but remain to despoil our countryside.
His video-debate exchange with Abraham took many hours and Monckton emerged a clear winner:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/12/target-monckton/
For more, such as a fuller, text-based response to Abraham, type Monckton into the search box.
One can only hope that there is time at Cancun for the scientists to attend the field and observe the demise or not of sceloporus on the Yucatan Peninsula.
Fantastic news, and I am sure we will hear more from L Monckton on potential Nobel Prize winner de Soto and property rights rather than the black market economies
http://www.blogdelnarco.com/
thanks to a blogger on WUWT referring to Matt Briggs hammer- this man?:- http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=3220
Scientific skeptics are absolutely essential to the Scientific Method. If scientific skeptics are not permitted to express their points of view, then the UN/IPCC’s view is nothing more than climate alarmist propaganda.
If the Cancun dog-and-pony show refuses to allow dissenting views, the result will not be science, but advocacy. All indications are that Dr Spencer and Viscount Monckton’s input will be officially banned with prejudice.
An eminent climatologist such as Dr Spencer must be allowed equal time to present his views on the AGW issue. To deny Dr Spencer a seat at the table exposes the CAGW propagandists for what they truly are: scientific charlatans conniving to pick the pockets of honest taxpayers in order to fund their agenda of a totalitarian world government run by the totally corrupt, self-appointed UN organization.
If my analysis is wrong, then UN/IPCC apologists are free to try and refute it here.
@Owen says: [snip]
I learned a great deal of science reading Moncktons papers and often refer people who know little about the subjec to to his website. I was particularly impressed with his carefully constructed paper experiment looking for the heat in the mid-altitudes that was, from my youth, the hallmark claim of CO2-based warming, the signature of true proof of the greenhouse effect. All CO2 models show(ed) that the atmosphere will heat three times faster 8-16 km up than on the surface. His paper showed the theory, the claims and the science (radiosonde ballow measurments) showing that there is absolutely no such warming at all. None.
The likes of RC had to resort to attaching him personally because they had no answer to his science – that and the fact there is no such warming.
Later it was quietly announced that the effect of CO2 will be felt at ground level (!) contradicting decades of greenhouse blanket theory. Amazing. When the ground level heat was show to be absent or faked, the next step was to claim it is in the oceans. When that didn’t pan out, it is ‘hidden in the oceans’. Some are still looking for it.
Dissing Monckton tells us about you, not Monckton.
We should all be thankful for brave souls like Spencer and Monckton.
One aspect of Cancun not mentioned in the comments above (but well-known to those who live in U.S. states bordering Mexico) is the anarchy caused by drug gang violence now engulfing large sections of Mexico. Can the Mexican police provide adequate security to those ultra-wealthy reps and greenies from around the world traveling to the luxurious resort?
Normally I suspect naivety rather than deception, but I want to call attention to the following article, which appears to be not only deliberate but also malicious deception:
https://www.llnl.gov/str/March04/Santer.html (“Tropopause Height…”)
If this is not deception, it suggests incompetence on an unforgivable scale.
Also noteworthy from the article: There’s a “forcing” graph that corroborates what Bill Illis has shared (about model assumptions) in other threads.
Anthony, I am so glad you post opposing views. The doomsayers can speak here if they want to (we cannot post on pro-AGW sites without edit or censorship), but they better bring their A-game. Huth is spot on. This is a fun site. Best there is. Thanks to Anthony, his wife and family (who support him), and all those who work behind the scenes to make this the top dog blog. The numbers speak for themselves.
It is certainly good news that Spencer and Monckton will be at Cancun is any capacity.
Good luck guys.
John
Everyone will know that AGW proponents have decided to give up their scam and return to science when they start talking about hypotheses instead of computer models. When that moment arrives, every scientist will be a sceptic of AGW claims. Roy Spencer has shown the way for all of us. Al Gore will become more shrill.
My advice to anyone planning on attending anything in Cancun this year is “DON’T”. I keep getting these bad vibrations. In fact, until the latest Mexican Civil War is over, I wouldn’t recommend that anyone who’s not a Mexican go back to Mexico.
Owen says:
November 27, 2010 at 5:39 pm
I have absolutely no trouble understanding what Monckton says about climate–and I agree with him. But then, I have an MS in science and an ME in engineering. Maybe that’s your problem–you’re completely out of your depth.
Posters from both sides of the argument have concerns about Monckton. I often think of that quote (attributed to both Lenin and Stalin) that the way to control the opposition is to lead it. Al Gore is Occidental Oil; Monckton is a Thatcherite. Could this be the game? Both sides (the leaders of) working towards the same wink,wink goal while the (honest) sheep bleat cheers for one side or the other. What a “leader” puts out as his public goals and opinions should always be taken with many grains of salt.
I believe the whole show (about nothing) might be the ruse, not just the pro- AGW half. This technique is used over and over in many different types of situations.
The sad thing here is that it’s apparent that political forces have managed to cause damage to Monckton’s reputation to the point that it’s obvious that people who haven’t even heard him speak or have an awareness of his views have a negative opinion of him.
Sound bites can be easily taken out of context and drive propaganda. Take the time to give the guy a chance. Read a few of his essays, listen to some of his debates with an open mind – how does this jive with YOUR view of the issues. You may find that your opinion changes when you establish it for yourself.
This goes for the other confirmation bias – not all players on the hockey team are worthy of instant dismissal either…
Well said Martin Brumby!
Owen, Pepper et al should realise that anyone is entitled to an opinion, just as they are on this site. The point that I wish to make is that Spencer and Monckton are far better qualified so to do, with the former having the academic credentials and the latter a comprehensive approach to explanation, both qualities that are required by simple folk, like me.
@ur momisugly Martin Brumby
“There is a number of things that Monckton says that I don’t agree with (and in particular his continued support for Maggie Thatcher – one of those guilty of setting up the whole cAGW scam in the first place).”
I’m not one of Margaret Thatcher’s greatest fans but I do think you are being unfair to her. She has a science degree and worked briefly as a research scientist. It was perfectly sensible for her to be interested in what scientists had to say about global warming and it still is perfectly sensible to investigate the possible problems that may result from climate change (whatever its causes).
It is now 20 years since Margaret Thatcher lost power and a lot has happened in that time. If she were 20 years younger I imagine that she would ask more searching questions of scientists who champion the idea that mankind is the main cause of climate change. Obviously I cannot tell what her views would be, but she was never a person who suffered fools gladly and would not be satisfied with evasive answers. She certainly would have wanted some good answers before committing the country to spend countless billions on combating climate change.
I wonder if the “Climate Science Rapid Response Team” is going?
You mean that one guy that isn’t even a climatologist, John Cook?
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/flashback-climate-scientists-plan-campaign-against-global-warming-skeptics/#comments
Lord Christopher Monckton will be in Cancun December 1 – 10.
Dr. Roy Spencer will be in Cancun December 6 – 10.
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I hope there’ll be plenty of video.
Hugh Pepper says:
November 27, 2010 at 8:44 pm
The Lord Monckton is a fraud.! There is an accepted process by which the “facts”of science are presented. The process requires research and a presentation based on rigorous study. The Lord does not do research. He writes volumes of largely nonsensical prose and then pretends that this diatribe refutes the mountains of research performed by scientists from all over the world. Most informed persons are not fooled by this craziness, but there are many who are unaware of scientific protocols who are part of his fan club. This is sad.
REPLY: You mean he’s like Al Gore? -A
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Hugh,
you’ll need to supply evidence that Lord Monckton doesn’t do research.
David A. Evans says:
November 27, 2010 at 7:35 pm
R. de Haan says:
November 27, 2010 at 10:56 am
Sorry but the old joke “Can we rise up and slaughter them yet?” starts to take on new meaning.
DaveE.
While I’m absolutely NOT anticipating matters here, you understand, but as Claire Wolf once said: “It’s too late to work within the the system, and too early to shoot the bastards!”
I’ve a feeling that more people than ever before have now become aware of the grand shafting scheme being played out before them. They are in realization of the scam being shoved their way —with a vengeance— by the cadre of insiders who wish to enslave all of humanity in the pretentious name of saving us, when no such ‘saving’ is true. More it is decimation of the masses.
Cancun is just another stage play where everyone will be TOLD in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that if we don’t play along, bad things will happen to the non-participants, and those who refuse to go along.
I think I don’t need to say what the ‘bad things’ will be: False flag ops to scare the commoners into submission, mandatory energy reductions in order to ‘save us from ourselves,’ along with sequential electrical blackouts and fuel shortages that will make 1973 look like child’s play.
Consider THAT happening in the dead of a cold freezing winter, when no food shipments will be made in order to FORCE you to surrender.
The unprepared starving, freezing people, are easily won over.
Our way out of this nightmare is to laugh AT the idiots every chance we get, and put them on the spot: CALL THEM OUT. And then? VOTE THEM OUT!
Demand that EVERY governmental agency which has pushed the lie, to be DEFUNDED and disestablished, i.e., OUTLAWED.
When they can’t show/produce/reveal the ACTUAL science they profess to possess, then =EVERYONE= will see just how flaccid their ‘no longer open to question’ science really is: LIMP beyond hilarity!
The Emperor not only has no clothes, but his ‘science’ is beyond the pale impotent.
The very best way to ‘slaughter’ them is to laugh them into shame, and into hiding. Let their names be forever remembered as traitors to the very science of which they professed to be knowledgeable, but instead perverted, in the name of personal gain and fame.