Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it — and stop there; lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again — and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more.
—Pudd’nhead Wilson’s New Calendar
I was reminded of this Mark Twain quote by a recent paper called “Acute sun damage and photoprotective responses in whales” published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B (hereinafter “Sunburnt Whales”). Their Abstract reads in part:
We conducted photographic and histological surveys of three seasonally sympatric whale species to investigate sunburn and photoprotection. We find that lesions commonly associated with acute severe sun damage in humans are widespread and that individuals with fewer melanocytes have more lesions and less apoptotic cells. This suggests that the pathways used to limit and resolve UVR-induced damage in humans are shared by whales and that darker pigmentation is advantageous to them.
Figure 1. A whale working on suntanning its stomach
So what does Pudd’nhead Wilson have to do with sunburnt whales?
Unfortunately, the authors of Sunburnt Whales did not stop with learning the wisdom in the experience. They went on to tell us how the whales are being threatened by the upcoming Thermageddon™:
Taken together, our results show that whales exhibit lesions typical of acute UVR exposure, suggesting that the thinning ozone layer poses a significant and rising threat to the health of our oceans’ whales. Considering that UVR is expected [by climate models] to increase 4 per cent in the tropics and up to 20 per cent in the poles, more studies are needed to fully understand the consequences of UVR-induced damage and the evolutionary significance of cetacean pigmentation.
OK, what’s their evidence for that? Well, they measured UV-induced blisters and a corresponding measure of UV exposure called “cytoplasmic vacuolation” in a small number of whales in 2007, 2008, and 2009. Both measures increased over the period, although the changes were statistically insignificant for cytoplasmic vacuolation.
For the blisters, in 2007, 12% of the whales had blisters (N, the number of whales measured, was 48). In 2008, 28% had blisters (N=28). In 2009, 68% had blisters (N=22). How do they explain that?
Despite the short time frame, our results would suggest that, as predicted, heightened exposure to UVR secondary to global and regional ozone depletion is leading to more skin damage in whales.
Say what? They’re claiming that the large two-year changes in whale skin health was caused by increased UV … but unfortunately, there’s a huge, glaring problem with their claim. According to NASA:
UV Exposure Has Increased Over the Last 30 Years, but Stabilized Since the Mid-1990s
There has been no increase in the UV radiation in the last fifteen years … but the authors of Sunburnt Whales claim that increased UV has caused whale blisters to quintuple (five times as many) in two short years.
Now I’m sorry, but I simply don’t believe that claim. I can believe that whales have more blisters. But I don’t believe that UV radiation, which has not changed in the last 15 years, has caused whale blisters to suddenly increase five-fold in two years.
They claim that this blister increase is related to the fact that these whales spend time in Baja California, where tropical UV levels are high. But UV levels have changed less in the Tropics than elsewhere. NASA (op. cit.) says about the post-1979 increase:
The high latitudes of the southern hemisphere have seen ultraviolet exposure increase by as much as a quarter. The low latitudes have seen little increase, and the mid-and-high latitudes of the northern hemisphere have seen about a five percent increase.
The low latitudes, where Baja California is located, have seen “little increase” in general, and even less in the last 15 years. So no, I don’t think UV increases are harming the whales, because for the last 15 years UV hasn’t increased. And in Baja California, even the increase since 1979 is on the order of only 5% or less.
Judith Curry keeps on about how we need to repair the trust between the public and climate scientists, and I agree with her. However, she thinks the scientists are not explaining things well, that it is a communications problem.
I say the problem has nothing to do with communication. The problem is bogus climate science being shovelled in our direction by the Royal Society and the other “scientific” journals. Until this kind of bovine waste-product stops being shipped in containers saying “100% Peer Reviewed Climate Science Inside”, people are not going to believe anything a climate scientist says, even though it may, through some unusual combination of misunderstandings and coincidences, actually be true. How does this kind of clearly nonsensical junk ever, ever get through peer review?
Oh, yeah, one final note. Seems to me if you want to see if the UV exposure is increasing the blisters on whales, how about measure some whales year after year and see if the blisters are increasing? Seems like a bozo move, simple, give you good data to confirm or deny the hypothesis.
Which is probably why the authors of Sunburnt Whales were very careful not to do that. They report:
In each season recaptured individuals were excluded from the analyses, the first capture being the one included.
Yeah, that’s the way to tell whether blisters are increasing, throw out valid data … not. Where is the headslap icon when I need it?
PS – I’m back in the Solomon Islands for a week, where even the electrons move slowly, so my replies may be delayed … have patience.
PPS – After writing this but before posting it, I discovered that the Proceedings of the Royal Society B have a letter responding to the study, which says in part:
This article is quite interesting in that the exposure of whales to UV and their response in terms of skin cancer lesions suggests the need to worry about the possible future effects of climate change on wildlife. This suggests that any non-fur protected or pigment protected species is at risk. The risk is higher at the equator where the protective ozone layer is naturally less than at mid and high latitudes.
However, the attribution of the observations to existing changes in UVR is misleading at best. In the equatorial regions, there have been no statistically significant changes in UVR [Herman, 2010 in JGR]. The significant changes start as small increases at mid latitudes, which only become medically significant at high latitudes. Unless I missed it, the article does not mention cancer lesion measurements from the past as an indicator that there has been any change in the whale’s health over time. The lack of cause and effect studies makes the statements about ozone change in this article “alarmist”. There are enough real problems with climate change and chlorine induced ozone change without suggesting unproven and unlikely problems. …
What he said …

R. de Haan says:
November 13, 2010 at 8:40 am
Thanks, a very interesting study and prediction:
“Based on the foregoing we forecast the next 11-years‘ (Schwabe) cycle. We expect a late (2014) and low (sunspot number 55) next maximum. It will be the onset of another Grand Minimum, expected to begin in the twenties of the present century.”
R. de Haan says:
November 13, 2010 at 8:40 am
Not off topic at all—I was thinking of solar UV output as relates to solar cycles also.
While solar irradiance varies by only about 0.2% cycle to cycle, the UV output varies by almost 10%. Why did the paper in question not take these published data into consideration, especially since UV irradiance has declined substantially during the study’s duration, concurrent with the weak current sunspot cycle?
The other, more alarming failing of the warm-earthers is their difficulty in processing parallel relevant data. It’s like the left hand does not know, or does not have the acumen to comprehend, what the right hand is doing.
Along the same sort of strand, I recently watched with astonishment a tv commercial showing polar bears, adrift on an icefloe, of course, with a gentle voiceover inviting you to send £3 to WWF to ‘help save the polar bears…’
Er – how does this work, exactly..? Does a WWF boat haul up next to a couple of (obviously surprised) polar bears, and someone says to them: ‘Here’s three quid, chaps – go and get yourselves a nice fish supper..’…?
Help me out, please, someone…
bubbagyro says:
November 13, 2010 at 9:24 am
“R. de Haan says:
November 13, 2010 at 8:40 am
Not off topic at all—I was thinking of solar UV output as relates to solar cycles also.
While solar irradiance varies by only about 0.2% cycle to cycle, the UV output varies by almost 10%. Why did the paper in question not take these published data into consideration, especially since UV irradiance has declined substantially during the study’s duration, concurrent with the weak current sunspot cycle?”
I don’t know how you get 10% variation from min to max UV during a solar cycle. The variation in UV is really much smaller more like 1.5 %.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/244/4901/197
A simple calculation based on the data from the above paper will get you 1.9% variation in UV irradience.
The years of the whale study were close to the minimum of the cycle, so the variation in UV solar irradience will not be a significant factor at all.
The variation in UV exposure of whales due to other causes is going to dwarf the solar irradience.
The whale sunburn paper is not that good. The people who wrote it are not experts on UV radiation, and don’t claim to be. They leave the cause of the variation open.
On the other hand it doesn’t help the case against the ill effects of the ozone hole to use the tactic of using misinformation and an poorly thought out argument in an attempt to discredit it.
Its sort of ironic that on the one hand we have sunburnt whales… and on the other, middle class kids in the UK getting rickets from too much sunscreen (or just too little time outdoors?). http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8128781/Middle-class-children-suffering-rickets.html
Bluecollardummy says:
November 13, 2010 at 3:47 am
For 50 million dollars I’ll cruise around Baja and slather spf 50 on those affected!
If you are taking Baja, I want Hervey Bay, and a 50ft crusier, and a penthoue, and a…….
I would like to second what Shub is saying and add that it’s worse he thinks.
The data in this paper is so ridiculous that it deserves a response. Microblisters (which they call microvesicles) are the cause of big blisters. Small ones come together to form big ones (not quite that simple, but, close to it). Finding them correlated with blisters is a knee slapper. That’s where blisters come from.
The magnification they use in their images is so low, you can’t tell whether they’ve done their TUNEL staining correctly. It looks like bad staining to me. TUNEL is supposed to mark the nicked ends of DNA, but, I don’t see apoptotic bodies (small compacted globs of DNA which form during apoptosis) which is a problem. They may be there, but, their figures don’t demonstrate it. See some killer TUNEL staining in skin at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10500176. There also aren’t apoptotic bodies, but, these are early time points so you wouldn’t expect them.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, apoptosis is entirely the wrong thing to look at for UVB damage. They need to look at the type of DNA damage to establish that it’s UVB (for instance pyridine dimerization as covered in this review from Dermatology Online: http://dermatology.cdlib.org/133/reviews/DNA/scheinfeld.html). This review has a very nice summary of the problem: “A significant DNA type of defective linking of DNA nucleotides involves pyrimidine dimers. Cyclobutane pyrimidine dimers (CPDs) make up much of the damage (perhaps 75 %, depending on the sequence context), and pyrimidine (6-4) pyrimidinone dimers (known as 6-4 photoproducts) are among the photo-products that can result from DNA being exposed to ultraviolet light. The fingerprint or signature of UVB on DNA is the distinctive pattern of mutations that they cause.”
So, they’re trying to pass off some bad TUNEL staining as evidence of hypothetically increased UVB-induced DNA damage and maybe skin cancer. I found no research article in PubMed where any researchers have examined whale DNA crosslinking and the actual work of determining UVB injury in whales. THEREFORE, nothing can be concluded from this article, and, nobody has any knowledge of the type of DNA damage present in these lesions on whales.
I should also point out a nice blog entry about a mechanism whereby viral infection can cause blisters by reducing the skin’s ability to repair UVB lesions. http://science.blogdig.net/archives/articles/February2010/25/The_role_of_beta_HPVs_in_skin_cancer_development.html
Now, we have no idea whether these whale skin lesions are UVB-induced, but, it is overly simplistic even to attribute UVB-induced DNA damage to an increase in UVB exposure when there are other possibilities whereby UVB-type damage can occur by subverting DNA repair.
These marine scientists are dilettantes in skin damage. The two skin researchers on this paper, O’Toole & Singh, don’t appear to have any previous pubs on skin cancer or skin damage either. O’Toole’s experience appears to be in keratinocyte growth, and, Mr. Singh appears to have some expertise in shingles research. However, given the ease with which a deeply flawed paper can be published given the right circumstances, it would probably be best to review their other works to see how good they actually are.
@ur momisugly Gaylon wrote:
““Karina Acevedo-Whitehouse and Agnes Rocha-Gosselin of the Zoological Society of London, UK, and Diane Gendron of Instituto Politecnico Nacional, Baja California Sur, Mexico, for perfecting a method to collect whale snot, using a remote-control helicopter.”
The prize for research on whale snot was awarded in September. There is no reason why next year’s prize should not also be awarded for research on whales – what with snot and sunburn there are obviously many aspects of whale life that have been hitherto neglected by science. Nominations for next year’s prize can be submitted by e-mail. The address is given on the page whose link I gave earlier.
http://improbable.com/ig/miscellaneous/nominate.html
eadler says:
November 13, 2010 at 10:14 am
The following is from a peer reviewed paper. Mr. Eadler, since you are so adamant and fixed in your Wikipedia knowledge, I’m sure you can find the reference. [Hint:1995]
“…the present day solar activity minimum between cycles 21 and 22) we estimate reductions of 64% in the irradiance of the Lyman α line of neutral hydrogen (at 121.6 nm), 8% at 200 nm, and 3.5% in the wavelength range from 210 to 250 nm. The reduction in the solar output from the entire spectral band between 120 and 300 nm is estimated to be 0.17 W/m2, which is approximately 6% of the change in the total solar irradiance of 2.7 W/m2 previously estimated by us (Lean et al., 1992a) over the same time span. ”
And the recent “minimum” you speak of lasted for almost three years and counting.
There’s some pretty fundamental stuff here.
O’Toole and Singh have a paper published by the Royal Society, with all the kudos that that carries, in which they make some wild leaps of logic based on flawed climate-related assumptions.
Clearly, many of the contributors on here are not only very knowledgeable relating to the very specific field of whale skin conditions, and rightly question the conclusions drawn both in terms of the actual lesions and the reasons for them.
Frankly, shouldn’t O’Toole and Singh have invited views from these contributors and other specialists, rather than publishing the sort of seat-of-the-pants logic which is likely to be taken as gospel by those in high places, who are hell-bent on grasping at anything that might help their argument that we’re all doomed, and must therefore be taxed to a standstill..??
Not missing anything, am I..?
Ok … if it’s not the solar radiation…
then it must be the acidification of the oceans!
oh god, we are doomed!
“The risk is higher at the equator where the protective ozone layer is naturally less than at mid and high latitudes.”
I’m confused with this, as is it not the hole in the Antarctic that the lower ozone. THen there is mixing northward, so that the tropics would be fairly normal, not the least.
“The magnification they use in their images is so low, you can’t tell whether they’ve done their TUNEL staining correctly. It looks like bad staining to me. TUNEL is supposed to mark the nicked ends of DNA, but, I don’t see apoptotic bodies (small compacted globs of DNA which form during apoptosis) which is a problem. They may be there, but, their figures don’t demonstrate it.”
“So, they’re trying to pass off some bad TUNEL staining as evidence of hypothetically increased UVB-induced DNA damage ”
JDN, I agree with many of your comments, especially those on the TUNEL staining. Their picture for the highest degree of TUNEL stain looks as though each and every cell is marked (!?!). TUNEL is a long-established technique, but it still can be tricky – so your pictures have to be convincing. Even their histology pictures look like crap.
Guy said: “Someone needs to do a study of the UV effect on Brazileiras sunning in their natural habitat on Ipanema beach. ”
Someone already did and the summary was made into a popular song, about a generation or so ago. You recall it: it begins, “Tall and tanned and young and lovely…”; yes?
Shub and JDN, thank you kindly for your contributions. I have absolutely no expertise in the question of TUNEL staining, apoptosis, or the rest of the skin damage questions. Your explanations have been clear, cogent, and very much to the point.
However, I am totally unsurprised by their further errors. Given the state of the parts of their paper I do understand, the problems with their claims about the skin damage are almost a given.
For me, this is just another example of the huge gulf between far too many mainstream climate scientists, and real scientists. Real scientists run their statistical results past statisticians, and their whale skin damage results past whale skin experts.
WOW !!!!!!
A cheese mine on the moon!
I’m not wasted a second!
I’ve filed my application to NASA for a grant to study this first hand.
Remind me, when does the next regular flight service take off for the moon?
(NO, I’m not going myself, but I’m sending them whallee scientists fellows and girls there.
We need a comparison study of earth and moon bound whales.
That’s a properly controlled study, see you unbelievers , pleanty of CO2 here, none on the moon.
I’ll bet there is no blister struck whales on the moon.
But the serious scientists just need to check to make sure.)
Scenario: Interior of hillside cave, outside, flashing lightning and rolling thunder.
!st stone age protagonist: Listen to that! The gods be angry today…what did we do to deserve this?
2nd stone age protagonist:The gods be angry alright! What will we do? Better sacrifice a goat.
3rd stone age protagonist:I’ve been thinking….What if the thunder isn’t really the voices of angry gods…what if…
1st and 2nd stone age protagonists: Shut up 3rd stone age man. What would you know? Everybody here except you KNOWS correlation means causation!
This is so 1980s. From Al Gore’s 1992 book “Earth in the Balance” at page 85 et seq, dealing with UV light and the hole in the ozone layer:
“In Patagonia, hunters now report finding blind rabbits; fishermen catch blind salmon…”
Proble. At that time, there were no instruments monitoring long-term UV radiation flux anywhere near Patagonia. Therefore, Gore could not make any causation connection between UV and blindness.
At least he could claim a double blind experiment, rabbits and salmon. But I think he must have been smoking a placebo.
Beth Cooper says:
November 14, 2010 at 1:09 am
Scenario: Interior of hillside cave, outside, flashing lightning and rolling thunder.
!st stone age protagonist: Listen to that! The gods be angry today…what did we do to deserve this?
2nd stone age protagonist:The gods be angry alright! What will we do? Better sacrifice a goat.
3rd stone age protagonist:I’ve been thinking….What if the thunder isn’t really the voices of angry gods…what if…
1st and 2nd stone age protagonists: Shut up 3rd stone age man. What would you know? Everybody here except you KNOWS correlation means causation!
I don’t suppose anybody asked the goat what he thinks about it. Could be a game breaker!
The problem with whale research is that the scientists have to be exposed to the sun for long periods-brain scans before and after should be part of the data. I wondered how whales managed to spout off Coolum Beach in south Queensland and found that it was explained by the warm moist whale breath hitting the cold Antarctic air. A little Newtonian physics on the back of an envelope revealed that 2500 litres expanding in two seconds was more than adequaete to freeze the whole of the expired air-not just the outer edge in contact with the cold air. This present pearl equals it! If only the Royal Society could erase the Piltdown Man. Geoff Broadbent
This reminds me of something I saw in the UK press the other day about children getting rickets, even in the south of Britain. That’s another name for vitamin D deficiency. Caused by lack of sunlight, specifically lack of UV rays in sunlight.
Rickets hasn’t been a public health problem for something like over a century now. People are scratching their heads and provisionally pointing the finger of blame at the internet, television and whatever else keeps people inside the house rather than outside in the sun.
Possible solution: encourage whales to migrate to UV-deficient British waters, and/or “fortify” televisions and computer monitors with strong UV emitting phosphorus or lamps behind LCD displays. For the sake of the children, of course.