
Estimated CO2 Warming Cut By 65%
Submitted by Doug L. Hoffman, Resilient Earth via ICECAP
Any competent researcher involved with the science behind climate change will admit that CO2 is far from the only influence on global climate. It has long been known that short-lived greenhouse gases and black-carbon aerosols have contributed to past climate warming. Though the IPCC and their fellow travelers have tried to place the blame for global warming on human CO2 emissions, decades of lies and erroneous predictions have discredited that notion. For anyone still clinging to the CO2 hypothesis, a short perspective article on the uncertainty surrounding climate change in Nature Geoscience has put paid to that notion. It states that not only did other factors account for 65% of the radiative forcing usually attributed to carbon dioxide, but that it is impossible to accurately determine climate sensitivity given the state of climate science.
In “Short-lived uncertainty?” Joyce E. Penner et al. note that several short-lived atmospheric pollutants – such as methane, tropospheric ozone precursors and black-carbon aerosols – contribute to atmospheric warming while others, particularly scattering aerosols, cool the climate. Figuring out exactly how great the impacts of these other forcings are can radically change the way historical climate change is interpreted. So great is the uncertainty that the IPCC’s future climate predictions, which are all based on biased assumptions about climate sensitivity, are most certainly untrustworthy. As stated in the article:
It is at present impossible to accurately determine climate sensitivity (defined as the equilibrium warming in response to a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations) from past records, partly because carbon dioxide and short-lived species have increased together over the industrial era. Warming over the past 100 years is consistent with high climate sensitivity to atmospheric carbon dioxide combined with a large cooling effect from short-lived aerosol pollutants, but it could equally be attributed to a low climate sensitivity coupled with a small effect from aerosols. These two possibilities lead to very different projections for future climate change.
All truthful climate researchers know these facts, yet publicly the party line is that catastrophic changes are in the offing and CO2 emissions are to blame. The perspective authors argue that only by significantly changing the amounts of these other pollutants and carefully measuring the impact on global climate over a period of several decades will science be able to figure out what is going on. “Following this strategy, we will then be able to disentangle the warming and cooling contributions from carbon dioxide and short-lived pollutants, hence placing much tighter constraints on climate sensitivity, and therefore on future climate projections,” they state. See chart below, enlarged here.
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And they said it was all carbon dioxide’s fault.
Most of the factors under discussion have relatively short lifetimes in the atmosphere, several less than two months. We do not know how the relative influences of these various substances (referred to by climate scientists as “species”) may change in a warming climate. It is also not clear how to reduce short-lived species under present conditions but the uncertainties in atmospheric chemistry and physics must be resolved if Earth’s environmental system is to be understood. Again quoting from the paper:
Of the short-lived species, methane, tropospheric ozone and black carbon are key contributors to global warming, augmenting the radiative forcing of carbon dioxide by 65%. Others – such as sulphate, nitrate and organic aerosols – cause a negative radiative forcing, offsetting a fraction of the warming owing to carbon dioxide. Yet other short-lived species, such as nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide and volatile organic compounds, can modify the abundance of both the climate-warming and climate-cooling compounds, and thereby affect climate change.
Quantifying the combined impact of short-lived species on Earth’s radiative forcing is complex. Short-lived pollutants – particularly those with an atmospheric lifetime of less than two months – tend to be poorly mixed, and concentrate close to their sources. This uneven distribution, combined with physical and chemical heterogeneities in the atmosphere, means that the impact of short-lived species on radiative forcing can vary by more than a factor of ten with location or time of emission. The situation is further complicated by nonlinear chemical reactions between short-lived species in polluted areas, as well as by the interactions of clouds with aerosols and ozone. These processes add further uncertainty to the estimates of radiative forcing.
Unfortunately, climate models neither accurately deal with local effects of these pollutants nor are the complex interactions among these substances understood. That not withstanding, the report is clear – CO2 does not account for even a majority of the warming seen over the past century. If other species accounted for 65% of historical warming that leaves only 35% for carbon dioxide. This, strangely enough, is in line with calculations based strictly on known atmospheric physics, calculations not biased by the IPCC’s hypothetical and bastardized “feedbacks.”
Of course, the real reason for the feedbacks was to allow almost all global warming to be attributed to CO2. This, in turn, would open the door for radical social and economic policies, allowing them to be enacted in the name of saving the world from global warming. The plain truth is that even climate scientists know that the IPCC case was a political witch’s brew concocted by UN bureaucrats, NGOs, grant money hungry scientists and fringe activists.
Now, after three decades of sturm und drang over climate policy, the truth has emerged – scientists have no idea of how Earth’s climate will change in the future because they don’t know why it changed in the past. Furthermore, it will take decades of additional study to gain a useful understand climate change. To do this, climate scientists will need further funding. Too bad the climate science community squandered any public trust it may have had by trying to frighten people with a lie.
Be safe, enjoy the interglacial and stay skeptical. Read full post here.
Icecap Note: Whatsmore, this totally ignores the other external and internal global factors like solar, ocean multidecadal cycles related to variations in the thermohaline circulation or ocean gyres.
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Here is the paper at Nature Geosciences:
Short-lived uncertainty?
Joyce E. Penner1, Michael J. Prather2, Ivar S. A. Isaksen3,4, Jan S. Fuglestvedt4, Zbigniew Klimont5 & David S. Stevenson6
- University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-2143, USA
- University of California, Irvine, California 92697, USA
- University of Oslo, PO Box 1022, Blindern, 0315 Oslo, Norway
- Center for International Climate and Environmental Research (CICERO) Oslo, PO Box 1129 Blindern, 0318 Oslo, Norway
- International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA), Schlossplatz 1, 2361 Laxenburg, Austria
- School of Geosciences, The University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh EH9 3JN, UK.
Correspondence to: Joyce E. Penner1 e-mail: penner@umich.edu
Abstract
Short-lived greenhouse gases and black-carbon aerosols have contributed to past climate warming. Curbing their emissions and quantifying the forcing by all short-lived components could both mitigate climate change in the short term and help to refine projections of global warming.
Earth’s climate can only be stabilized by bringing carbon dioxide emissions under control in the twenty-first century. But rolling back anthropogenic emissions of several short-lived atmospheric pollutants that lead to warming — such as methane, tropospheric ozone precursors and black-carbon aerosols — could significantly reduce the rate of climate warming over the next few decades1, 2, 3.
I wonder how these guys got their research grants ?
Telling the truth is not a good way to get paid !
I would like to see a graphic similar to the one above; with 1) the water surface represented in a more realistic ratio – the entire ground representation on the right could go, 2) a representation of heat instead of the space taken up by the aircraft, 3) the water vapor column represented in the same color/linear path up to stratosphere instead of two separate events, and 4) s0me allusion to accuracy in the ratio of sizes (ie: the CFC input should be significantly smaller then the rest.
Didn’t you know, we are switching back to the ozone hoax now.
Climate of DOOM now 65% Less Doomy peer review study says. See what have we been telling ya all doomsayers, not as bad as you’ve been claiming… now if you could still provide the actual hard evidence for the remaining 45% of soothed doom we’d all get along just fine.
Here’s a reminder about the effect of soot on snow and ice from our man James Hansen:
Still, have to reduce those CO2 emissions because it’s possibly WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT!
Just a short question. What gives man – any man – the arrogance to believe that MAN can stabilize that which has never been stable in the history of the planet?
I’m still not sure that everyone understands that CO2, even with positive feedbacks added, can’t trap any heat in the atmosphere directly, as witnessed by it cooling down by 10-20 degrees (or more in certain areas) easily every night. The only significant place energy could be trapped is the ocean, hence why Argo ‘is it’ for longer term temperature trends, and why El Nino/La Nina influence things so much. I assume when people have blamed a recent hot (or cold) spell on Global Warming they have measured the sea surface temperature nearby to explain why…
I’m from the UK where the sea is obviously a very important factor in our weather, I do always wonder what explanation people come up with to relate say, hot (or cold) temperatures in Alice Springs to CO2 as I can’t see how it could influence anything without warming the entire ocean by a lot all around Australia.
“CO2 warming effect cut by 65%”
Actually the Penner et al commentary (Nature Geoscience 3, 587 – 588 (2010) ) does not say this, nor does it even support this statement. Anyone that thinks that it does has obviously not read the paper, or is trying hard to hide their spin behind some kind of ignorance of what “augment” means, or possibly they can’t do basic math.
I wonder which it is?
Most of you would do well to read the paper, not just the post. One clue is the airplane in the troposphere, this isn’t a “hey, it’s not man after all” paper. It really is a “Hey, it’s worse than we thought!” paper. Anytime the word polutants is used, pay attention. Rarely does that mean that Mother Nature is messing with us.
From Kate on October 12, 2010 at 12:31 pm:
Keep it in perspective. Google has a lot of hip young users who were formally educated in personally loathing The Hideous Demon CARBON DIOXIDE.
One one hand, “Do no evil” Google makes a large group of users happy with their commitment to the environment. On the other hand, they might just make money off of it, and in any case with their revenues a good tax write-off can’t hurt.
This is business, not passion, although Google knows how to pass off business as passion quite well. Renewable energy investments? Beats shipping out the cash for some third-world aid everyone’s going to forget about in a few years.
I can’t accept that an experiment can not be done to quantify the affect of increasing CO2. Maybe a huge plastic greenhouse in which various amounts of CO2 could be added. There must be someone here that can advise on what kind 0f practical experiment might be devised. Delta T would be determined from delta P. Lack of imagination is not a healthy scientific trait.
Furthermore: The estimate that methane, troposphere ozone and black carbon contribute another 65% radiative forcing on top of (augmenting) CO2 seems to be completely in line with (if not taken from) the IPCC AR4: Figure SPM.2.
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/spmsspm-human-and.html
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Climate lag time on greenhouse gases 5 to 14 years.
Stack the wood high and buy more canned food.
I found this:
http://xweb.geos.ed.ac.uk/~dstevens/publications/penner_ngeo10.pdf
Same names, title, says at bottom of pages:
NATURE GEOSCIENCE | ADVANCE ONLINE PUBLICATION | http://www.nature.com/naturegeoscience
Last page says:
Published online: 1 August 2010
Same words as in the quoted parts above.
It’s a page and a half long, page headers says it’s commentary.
Is this the “study” or is it related material?
Gary Pearse says: “I can’t accept that an experiment can not be done to quantify the affect of increasing CO2….”
Experiments have been done to determine this for over 100 years now. Relativly precise values are well known for radiative forcing factors. Unfortunatly “climate sensativity” is more difficult to pin down and the only valid experiment that will ever pin it down (“prove it”) involves risking our planet.
You wanna roll the dice?
Gary Pearse says:
October 12, 2010 at 2:12 pm
I can’t accept that an experiment can not be done to quantify the affect of increasing CO2
That’s common sense, that nasty sense common and despicable people who need to work for a living have. Aahrrg!
So after we totally suppress methane for, say, 10 years, then suppress NOx compounds for the following 10 years, then black carbon for 10 until we get through all the contributing compounds, would we really have sufficient data considering the state of our measuring devices coupled with the natural variability of certain species to really understand the problem, and hence apply solutions? I’m guessing by then this current interglacial will have come to an end and we’ll be completely unprepared for what undoubtedly comes next. It’s all so vexing!
Hurray! At last some real scientists who will admit that they don’t know something but want to find out.
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
October 12, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Third world’s cartel lords won’t accept carbon shares as a pay for their white stuff: That’s for sure 🙂
We folks are totally wasting our treasure on computers and computer models which can’t and never will predict the future, instead of storing it up to when it will really be needed.
I would have thought that the relatively small erruption of the unpronouncable name volcano in Iceland would have taught “climate scientists” some simple lessons, but greed outpaces sanity every time. When the volcano Katla in Iceland erupts in a large way, which it will, perhaps enough people in Europe will die to make an impression on “scientists” who don’t seem to have learned much in the way of the basic fundamentals of chemistry and physics.
@Gary Young Pearse
Wash your mouth out please. It is a fundamental tenet of the AGW religion that no predictions should ever be made that are experimentally verifiable, nor any observations taken that are capable of demonstrating its physical reality or not. We call this the Nostradamus Principle of Climatology and it is at the heart of the ‘science’
Instead ‘experiments’ conducted using computer models are encouraged. These have the useful characteristic that any unfortunate results can be disappeared by tweaking the model to eliminate the unwanted behaviour. It also saves on travel and accommodation costs as nobody need ever leave the lab.
And please do nothing to cast doubt on AGW at all. As you well know if you stop believing that fairies can fly they will fall out of the sky and be eaten by hungry polar bears. You wouldn’t want that on your conscience would you?
If CO2 was any good for us, why would we breathe it out – and not in?
Therefore CAGW exists. QED.
They seem to forget the most important; Water vapour / Clouds……
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says: October 12, 2010 at 2:09 pm
“From Kate on October 12, 2010 at 12:31 pm:
Someone believes in all this Globaloney:
Google invests in $5 billion wind farm project”
Google can afford to spend that on their own wind farm. I’m sure people would still even use them lots even if the speed of response varied on how much wind they had in their own wind farm and therefore how many data centres they could power.
I’m not sure why Google get so much flack, despite all the ‘Free’ really cool things they have provided to the world. Even if they are slightly misguided here, I’m sure energy independence is high up on the important list of things for them to tackle.