Unsustainable cow manure

Since we are watching the plight of the Thompsons in Australia over cow manure, this submission titled “Unsustainable cow manure” on sustainable energy sent to me by Paul Driessen seemed appropriate. I put solar on my own home and a school in my school district. Without “OPM”, they would not have been viable, so he has a point- Anthony

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Sustainable, affordable, eco-friendly renewable energy, my eye

Paul Driessen

Seek a sustainable future! Wind, solar and biofuels will ensure an eco-friendly, climate-protecting, planet-saving, sustainable inheritance for our children. Or so we are told by activists and politicians intent on enacting new renewable energy standards, mandates and subsidies during a lame duck session. It may be useful to address some basic issues, before going further down the road to Renewable Utopia.

First, when exactly is something not sustainable? When known deposits (proven reserves) may be depleted in ten years? 50? 100? What if looming depletion results from government policies that forbid access to lands that might contain new deposits – as with US onshore and offshore prospects for oil, gas, coal, uranium, rare earth minerals and other vital resources?

Rising prices, new theories about mineral formation, and improved discovery and extraction technologies and techniques typically expand energy and mineral reserves – postponing depletion by years or decades, as in the case of oil and natural gas. But legislation, regulation, taxation and litigation prevent these processes from working properly, hasten depletion, and make “sustainability” an even more politicized, manipulated and meaningless concept.

Second, should the quest for mandated “sustainable” technologies be based on real, immediate threats – or will imaginary or exaggerated crises suffice? Dangerous manmade global cooling morphed into dangerous manmade global warming, then into “global climate disruption” – driven by computer models and disaster scenarios, doctored temperature data, manipulated peer reviews, and bogus claims about melting glaciers and rising sea levels. Shouldn’t policies that replace reliable, affordable energy with expensive, intermittent, land-intensive, subsidized sources be based on solid, replicable science?

Third, shouldn’t inconvenient sustainability issues be resolved before we proceed any further, by applying the same guidelines to renewable energy as courts, regulators and eco-activists apply to petroleum?

Most oil, gas, coal and uranium operations impact limited acreage for limited times – and affected areas must be restored to natural conditions when production ends. Effects on air and water quality, habitats and protected species are addressed through regulations, lease restrictions and fines. The operations generate vast amounts of affordable, reliable energy from relatively small tracts of land, and substantial revenues.

Wind turbines generate small amounts of expensive, unreliable electricity from gargantuan installations on thousands of acres. Turbines and their associated transmission lines dominate scenic vistas, disrupt habitats and migratory routes, affect water drainage patterns, impede crop dusting and other activities, and kill bats, raptors and other birds, including endangered species that would bring major fines if the corporate killers were oil or mining companies. And yet, wind operators receive exemptions from environmental review, biodiversity and endangered species laws that traditional energy companies must follow – on the ground that such rules would raise costs and delay construction of “eco-friendly” projects.

Kentucky’s Cardinal coal mine alone produces 75% of the Btu energy generated by all the wind turbines and solar panels in the USA, Power Hungry author Robert Bryce calculates. Unspoiled vistas, rural and maritime tranquility, and bald eagles will all be endangered if 20% wind power mandates are enacted.

The Palo Verde Nuclear Power Station near Phoenix generates nearly 900 times more electricity than Nevada’s Nellis Air Force Base photovoltaic panels, on less land, for 1/15 the cost per kWh – and does it 90% of the time, versus 30% of the time for the Nellis array. Generating Palo Verde’s electrical output via Nellis technology would require solar arrays across an area ten times larger than Washington, DC.

Building enough photovoltaic arrays to power Los Angeles would mean blanketing thousands of square miles of desert habitat. Once built, solar and wind systems will be there just this side of forever, since there will be no energy production if we let them decay, after shutting down whatever hydrocarbon operations aren’t needed to fuel backup generators that keep wind and solar facilities operational.

Wind and solar power also mean there is a sudden demand for tons of rare earth elements that weren’t terribly important a decade ago. They exist in very low concentrations, require mining and milling massive amounts of rock and ore to get the needed minerals, and thus impose huge ecological impacts.

If mountaintop removal to extract high quality coal at reduced risk to miners is unacceptable and unsustainable – how is it eco-friendly and sustainable to clear-cut mountain vistas for wind turbines? Blanket thousands of square miles with habitat-suffocating solar panels? Or remove mountains of rock to mine low-grade rare earth mineral deposits for solar panel films, hybrid batteries and turbine magnets?

Since any undiscovered US rare earth deposits are likely locked up in wilderness and other restricted land use areas, virtually no exploration or development will take place here. We will thus be dependent on foreign suppliers, like China, which are using them in their own manufacturing operations – and selling us finished wind turbines, solar panels and hybrid car batteries. The United States will thus be dependent on foreign suppliers for renewable energy, just as we rely on foreign countries for oil and uranium.

To claim any of this is ecologically or economically sustainable strains credulity.

Green jobs will mostly be overseas, subsidized by US tax and energy dollars – other people’s money (OPM). Indeed, Americans have already spent over $20 billion in stimulus money on “green” energy projects. However, 80% of the funding for some of them went to China, India, South Korea and Spain, and three-fourth of the turbines for eleven US wind projects were made overseas. This is intolerable, indefensible and unsustainable. But it gets worse.

Denver’s Nature and Science Museum used $720,000 in stimulus money to install photovoltaic panels and reduce its electricity bills by 20 percent. The panels may last 25 years, whereas it will take 110 years to save enough on those bills to pay for the panels – and by then four more sets of panels will be needed.

As to biofuels, the US Navy recently waxed ecstatic over its success with camellia-based eco-fuel in fighter jets. But the PC biofuel costs $67.50 per gallon, versus $5.00 per gallon for commercial jet fuel.

To meet the 36-billion-gallons-a-year-by-2022 federal ethanol diktat, we would have to grow corn on cropland and wildlife habitat the size of Georgia, to get 15 billion gallons of corn-based ethanol – plus switchgrass on farmlands and habitats the size of South Carolina, to produce 21 billion gallons of “advanced biofuel.” By contrast, we could produce 670 billion gallons of oil from frozen tundra equal to 1/20 of Washington, DC, if the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge weren’t off limits.

OPM-subsidized ethanol also means a few corn growers and ethanol refiners make hefty profits. But chicken and beef producers, manufacturers that need corn syrup, and families of all stripes get pounded by soaring costs, to generate a fuel that gets one-third less mileage per tank than gasoline.

Hydrocarbons fueled the most amazing and sustained progress in human history. Rejecting further progress – in the name of sustainability or climate protection – requires solid evidence that we face catastrophes if we don’t switch to “sustainable” alternatives. Computer-generated disaster scenarios and bald assertions by Al Gore, Harry Reid, John Holdren and President Obama just don’t make the grade.

We need to improve energy efficiency and conserve resources. Science and technology will continue the great strides we have made in that regard. Politically motivated mandates will impose huge costs for few benefits. Sustainability claims will simply redistribute smaller shares of a shrinking economic pie.

“Renewable” energy subsidies may sustain the jobs of lobbyists, activists, politicians, bureaucrats and politically connected companies. But they will kill millions of other people’s jobs.

Let’s be sure to remind our elected officials of this along their campaign trails – and on November 2.

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Bruce Cobb
September 21, 2010 11:58 am

So GM, I assume you would probably agree with what John Holdren, aka Dr. Doom once said:
“Only one rational path is open to us—simultaneous de-development of the [overdeveloped countries] and semi-development of the underdeveloped countries (UDC’s), in order to approach a decent and ecologically sustainable standard of living for all in between. By de-development we mean lower per-capita energy consumption, fewer gadgets, and the abolition of planned obsolescence.”
You’re essentially a Malthusian at heart right? What a whacko he turned out to be.

stuart
September 21, 2010 12:03 pm

‘Like this one, for example:
Yet one kind of energy–fossil fuels–actually increases the carrying capacity of the Earth.
Yes, for how long?’
More than long enough to develop better fission reactors (Thorium, breeders etc) and/or fusion power.

GM
September 21, 2010 12:03 pm

[snip. Calling people here the d-word is against site Policy. ~dbs, mod.]

GM
September 21, 2010 12:05 pm

DEEBEE says:
September 21, 2010 at 11:43 am
Yes GM, can your non-illiterate self explain to us, the uneducated how long we can sustain ourselves. Please keep your formulae simple so we can follow your brilliance.

[Snip, now now. ~ ctm] Anyway, the answer to your question is not for long at our present numbers and per capita consumption

GM
September 21, 2010 12:11 pm

Bruce Cobb says:
September 21, 2010 at 11:58 am
So GM, I assume you would probably agree with what John Holdren, aka Dr. Doom once said:
“Only one rational path is open to us—simultaneous de-development of the [overdeveloped countries] and semi-development of the underdeveloped countries (UDC’s), in order to approach a decent and ecologically sustainable standard of living for all in between. By de-development we mean lower per-capita energy consumption, fewer gadgets, and the abolition of planned obsolescence.”

So according to you, planned obsolescence is good, is that correct?
There is no need for lowering per capita energy consumption if you lower the number of people in the right proportion. Of course, there is absolutely no need for the current levels of per capita consumption of energy and resources either, people in Europe already live better lives on half the energy that Americans use and if you get rid of planned obsolescence and other such wasteful practices whose only purpose is to keep growth going at all costs, it can be reduced much further with no negative consequences for standard of living. But you can’t have 9 billion people living a Western lifestyle and that’s not because Holdren or me don’t like it, it’s because it’s a biophysical impossibility, the denial of which can only result in much much fewer than 9 billion people absolutely none of which will ever live a Western lifestyle again. That’s what we’re trying to prevent (or would be if we were a tiny fraction as smart as we think we are)

Kum Dollison
September 21, 2010 12:15 pm

You get about 495 gallons of ethanol from an acre of corn. Plus you get over 40% of your “feed energy” back in the form of Distillers Grains, Plus you retain the Corn Oil.
Once Distillers Grains are included in the equation you get 800 Gallons of Ethanol for every Extra Acre of corn you plant.
We pay farmers Not to plant 34 Million Acres of fertile land (in the U.S., alone.)
34,000,000 X 800 = 27,200,000,000 (27 Billion, 200 Million.)
That’s 27 Billion Gallons of Ethanol from just planting the land that we’re Paying Farmers NOT to Plant.

September 21, 2010 12:20 pm

I find it odd that there has been no mention of the methane hydrates that exist off shore. When we figure out how to extract it we will have thousands of years of energy at present day useage. Running out of energy is not our problem staving off an ice age the real issue.

Alberta Slim
September 21, 2010 12:22 pm

GM says:
September 21, 2010 at 11:20 am
…..Yes, for how long?
Maybe a long time if the Russians are right about abiotic petroeum.

DesertYote
September 21, 2010 12:23 pm

The green agenda really is all about enslaving mankind so that we can be driven back to the stone age as a first step in the ultimate goal of eliminating humans all together. Any solution to the lefties talking-point problems that are proposed by these people will not be workable, and workable solution, that comes to light will be attacked.
It is pretty obvious from the writings of the greenies that come here to troll, that they are beyond reason. and the only concepts there minds can contain are the one they have been programed to think with.

DesertYote
September 21, 2010 12:28 pm

GM,
You lefty looneys have been screaming the same nonsense for 150 years, shut up already. Peak coal, my shiny metal …

Justa Joe
September 21, 2010 12:30 pm

“…this means that the economy is TOO BIG TO BE SUSTAINABLE and has to SHRINK until it’s safely within the carrying capacity of the planet.” -GM
Who exactly is going to take the hit in your quest for “sustainability” since we know it won’t be you?

Kum Dollison
September 21, 2010 12:38 pm

We’re presently using about 13 Billion Gallons of Corn Ethanol. The Cut-off is 15 Billion. We’re building out enough refineries to get to 14.6 Billion (about 12% more than we’re using at present.) And, That’s It. From there on out it’s Municipal Solid Waste, switchgrass, corn cobs, and other cellulosic feedstocks.
Here’s where we could go fairly easily.
10 Billion Gallons from MSW (municipal solid waste.)
25 Billion Gallons from Switchgrass on CRP Acres.
10 Billion Gallons from Corn Cobs/Corn Stover.
15 Billion Gallons from Corn.
Cars like the new Buick Regal that utilize TDI Engines to attain equal efficiency (MPG) on Ethanol as Gasoline.
60 Billion Gallons/Yr replaces 4 Million Barrels of Foreign Oil Every Day.
That’s $300 Million Every Day (over $100 Billion Every Year) NOT going to the Royal Families of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and The UAE, Venezuela, Nigeria, and Russia.) That is $300 Million/Day staying home, and working here.

Justa Joe
September 21, 2010 12:41 pm

wow… It never fails. Keep one of these “sustainability” types talking long enough, and the malthusian ghoulishness come pouring out.

Chris B
September 21, 2010 12:56 pm

A “Green Scheme” to get your greenbacks.

Larry Geiger
September 21, 2010 12:59 pm

GW:
“people in Europe already live better lives on half the energy that Americans use”
A lot of verbiage being thrown around above, but I just don’t believe this one. I have no hard evidence and I have never been there, but I just plain don’t believe it.

Don Shaw
September 21, 2010 1:00 pm

The DOE plan to meet the Congressional mandate for significantly increased ethanol depended heavily this year on cellulosic ethanol dispite the fact that even today there are still no operating commercial scale cellulosic ethanol plants.
The summary given below is not intended to knock one particular project but to expose the naive (incompetent, or dishonest ?) folks we have in the DOE and the EPA. They like to believe or claim or want us to believe that there are near term viable alternatives to our conventional fuels and are investing tax dollars heavily toward that end.
The URL below describes fairly well how that is working out not just for the particular company mentioned but typically the entire effort.
Maybe it is time to reset the goal/targets for “renewable” liquid fuels especially mandated ethanol.
From the URL
“Let’s recap the highlights:
February 2007 – Range Fuels announced that they would build their first “cellulosic ethanol” plant in Georgia. In a story at Green Car Congress, the capacity was announced at “more than 1 billion gallons of ethanol per year.”
March 2007 – Range Fuels announced a $76 million grant from the Department of Energy.
July 2007 – In a story in USA Today, the Phase 1 capacity was announced at 20 million gallons. The full scale would be 100 million gallons at a cost of $150 million.
November 2007 – Range broke ground on the plant; announced they would be finished with Phase 1 (still 20 million gallons) by the end of 2008.
April 2008 – Range announced a $6 million grant from the state of Georgia.
January 2009 – Range received another $80 million, this time from the USDA, and announced receipt of $158 million in venture capital funding for 2008.
October 2009 – Range asked for more money. This time they were told no.
February 2010 – After investments that have been publicly announced at $320 million, the EPA announced that Range would initially produce 4 million gallons, and it would be methanol. Further, there would be no ethanol produced before mid-2012.
February 2010 – I write an article wondering why the mainstream media has completely missed this story.
In summary, we were given numbers of $150 million to build 100 million gallons of cellulosic ethanol capacity. What we are being told now is > $320 million to build 4 million gallons of methanol capacity. Of course they intend to do so much more, but I have a very big problem giving more taxpayer money to an organization with this history.”
http://theenergycollective.com/TheEnergyCollective/59543

Curiousgeorge
September 21, 2010 1:02 pm

Kum Dollison says:
September 21, 2010 at 12:15 pm
How about “the rest of the story” for those extra acres? The extra fertilizer, water, fuel, manpower, etc. to plant, grow, harvest, and transp0rt that corn to turn it into ethanol. And then there’s the nitrogen runoff to deal with. And that doesn’t count the 45 cents per gallon subsidy we as fuel users have to pay. Fact is that without that subsidy ethanol is a net loss. Just as biodiesel has gone belly up without their subsidy, so will ethanol. TANSTAAFL.

Murray Duffin
September 21, 2010 1:06 pm

Codswallop and strawmen. Example – birdkill by wind turbines would be less than 0.1% of all birdkill causes in the USA if we had enough turbines to supply all of our electricity. Wind turbines in west Texas improve the appearance of a more than semi-desert moonscape, and they look pretty good along the crest of the Poconos, without forest clearing. Try PV on rooftops for peaking power to avoid covering the desert, and LA wouldn’t use “1000s of sq. mi.” anyway. Like it or not we are at peak oil, we will be past peak NG by 2050, and if we use coal to compensate, will be past peak coal by 2050 also. Maybe we can wait a few more years, but we do have to develop the renewables, and do so in this century, or as the energy doomers suggest it will be “back to Olduvai”. Murray

Jason Hoerner
September 21, 2010 1:09 pm

PV solar panels aren’t the only type of solar installation possible. There’s concentrating solar thermal, which has the advantage of potentially allowing for storage, meaning it could provide continuous energy in areas with sufficient sunlight, unlike solar panels or wind. It’s also cheaper than solar panels. PV solar panels only make sense in off-grid applications, in my opinion. Also, there is geothermal to consider.

Murray Duffin
September 21, 2010 1:13 pm

Larry Geiger says: “people in Europe already live better lives on half the energy that Americans use”
A lot of verbiage being thrown around above, but I just don’t believe this one. I have no hard evidence and I have never been there, but I just plain don’t believe it.
Larry, the “1/2 the energy” is largely true. One can debate the “better lives”, but I did live there for 24 years total, in England, Scotland, France, Italy and Switzerland, and have now been back in the USA in SC, Calif., and Florida, and for me the quality of life is at least as good in Europe as in the USA, and in some ways better. Murray

Kum Dollison
September 21, 2010 1:14 pm

The fact is, the world, basically, has flatlined at about 73 Million Barrels/Day of Crude + Condensate since 2005. To accomplish this we’ve added over 4 Million Barrels of “New” Production every year (this makes up for the declining flow from producing wells.)
This year we are slipping down to 3 Million Barrels/Day. Next year will, also, be 3 mbd. 2012 IIRC will be about 2.5 mbd. We know this because it takes several years of a step by step process to bring a new field online. 2013 is looking even weaker than 2012.
Saudi Arabia, and the chums, overproduced for several months after the “crash.” That brought about a glut that was stored on tankers all around the world. The last couple of months have seen the remainder of that overproduction come ashore. That is giving the impression of “all is well, there is a glut of oil.” That’s Not the way it is. It will take us, maybe, 5, or 6 months to work off the excess inventory, and maybe another year to work off a “possible” 1.5 to 2.0 Million bpd Spare Capacity in Saudi Arabia (includes just a little bit in UAE, and Kuwait.)
Most of the experts are getting very nervous about the time frame around the end of 2012. 2013 looks like the latest that we will roll off the plateau. Jes Sayin.

Murray Duffin
September 21, 2010 1:17 pm

DesertYote says:
September 21, 2010 at 12:23 pm
The green agenda really is all about enslaving mankind so that we can be driven back to the stone age as a first step in the ultimate goal of eliminating humans all together.
Talk about “looney”. Murray

Doug
September 21, 2010 1:19 pm

DEEBEE says: September 21, 2010 at 11:43 am
Yes GM, can your non-illiterate self explain to us, the uneducated how long we can sustain ourselves. Please keep your formulae simple so we can follow your brilliance.
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Deebee: Don’t worry about our dear friend GM he is really Sheldon Cooper (of the Big Bang Theory) in drag on this blog.
Here is a bio note for you: Sheldon is distinctive for his overtly intellectual personality: he is calculating and cynical, he exhibits a strict adherence to routine, a lack of understanding of irony, sarcasm and humor, a habit of constantly expressing admiration for his superior intellect (which is sometimes found offensive by the other characters), and a complete lack of humility. So just sit back and enjoy.
Doug

P Walker
September 21, 2010 1:21 pm

That’s odd , I haven’t noticed that Europeans live “better” lives than we Americans . But that might depend on your definition of “better”.

Tom B
September 21, 2010 1:35 pm

The frightening thing about GM’s post is how close the the edge he got with the position paper and statement demanded by the Discovery Channel eco-terrorist.